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And welcome to the Wednesday. It is the Wednesday live edition of the Best Stocks Now show with Bill Gunderson, President of Gunderson Capital Management. And I'm here with Barry Kite, our Chartered Financial Analyst. And we kind of have a mixed market after yesterday's big gains in the market. We had a huge day. We had, in fact, two huge days in a row yesterday.

And we are up for the most part here. The NASDAQ is definitely the strongest index right now, as it usually is when things are good. And guess what? We're back above 20,000 once again. Holy cow on that NASDAQ. We're up 95 points, 20,007 as it marches back towards its all-time high. It's not too far from that.

What a breakout we had in the chart yesterday in the NASDAQ. The Dow's down 15 right now. It's the weakest of the three indexes. It's at 43,073.

And the S&P is back above 6,100 once again as it marches towards its all-time high. It's up 11 points here this morning. Interest rates are up a couple of basis points, but they're kind of at the lower end of where they've been this year. They're at 4.32.

Golden Oil are selling off. I think you can figure out why that would be. And Bitcoin is on a roll right now. Risk on. It's back to $107,000. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management. And I'm here with Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. Well, you know...

We're keeping notes on the market, what moves markets, what doesn't move markets, what does the market like, what doesn't the market like. We can definitely say that during times of tariffs, we learned something new this year. Gold is a good hedge.

But I think on Monday we saw that the market loves a really good ceasefire. You know, put that one in your knowledge bank and in the notes and in the book you're writing. Loves a good ceasefire. That really set the market on fire. Oil doesn't like a ceasefire. Neither does gold, which is only logical.

It remains to be seen whether or not it will hold or not. But I just don't think Iran has a whole lot left in them to fire at Israel. I don't think they want to risk having the U.S. coming in with the bunker busters again.

And, you know, there is some question as to how much damage they did. But, you know, I think I listened to Witkoff. Witkoff, what's his name? Witkoff. I like him a lot. He seems like an honest straight shooter guy. He says we took it out. We took out their nuclear program.

Set it back for years, even though there's some saying that it was only set back for months. I don't believe that to be true. Oil and gold were obviously down. Stocks were flying off the shelf yesterday, especially the momentum stocks, the Palantirs, the CrowdStrikes, the NVIDIAs of the world. The Dow was up 500 yesterday. The NASDAQ was up 281 yesterday.

I sent out three charts this morning to my subscribers and clients showing the breakouts. My title of the newsletter last Friday was, The Markets Have Leveled Off. I think you know why, because there was a big cloud hanging over the head of the market in the way of the U.S. getting involved in bombing Iran.

That was a big, big question mark, and now we look at the results of that. The market has not leveled off anymore. It's taken off, and it's broken through those resistance levels because there's a little more clarity right now. It seems like Iran just doesn't have much in the way to retaliate. In fact, they've kind of gone into submission and entered into a ceasefire situation

as they lick their wounds from what has been inflicted upon them. The 10-year was down to 4.29 yesterday. I think the gold is the one that's going to level off right now as an asset class, I mean, after hitting 3,400 and loving the environment that we had there in the Middle East and with the tariffs and everything.

But I think you can look for a cooling off in gold. That's just my opinion. Bitcoin also is loving this current environment. Risk on. The S&P 500 is less than 1% away from its record close.

Who would have ever thought? Do you remember how dark those days were back in early March when we were going down 1,000 points a day on the Dow? And then, of course, Liberation Day. Yeah, Liberation Day. And the media was having their heyday. Oh, look at all of this stuff fail. The market is tanking. The world's in turmoil. Yeah.

And here we are just 10 weeks later. That's it, just 10 weeks later. And from the day I wrote my article, which was the darkest day of the year, saying, you know, this is all going to work. Here we are back almost at record highs. 11 S&P 500 segments of the market closed in positive territory yesterday.

Israel has agreed to stop the bombing. Iran has agreed to stop sending missiles into Israel. And you can see why it's so important to follow world events, because look at the impact that they've had.

on the markets here recently. And, you know, even though there were some questions yesterday, there was some leaked report that we only set back Iran's nuclear ambitions by several months. No, I don't think that's true because today even Iran's foreign ministry is saying their nuclear sites were badly damaged by U.S. strikes yesterday.

If they're admitting it, you know it's got to be pretty bad. Like I said, I listened to Witkoff, right? Yeah, Witkoff. He's the special envoy to the Middle East. I forget what that is. I think that's the exact title. You know, I just look at him as an honorable man that has no reason to misstate the truth. He said he's seen things that are not public.

and stating that the devastation to their program, it would take years to come back from that. And, of course, they're interviewing senators in the hallway, and good old Senator...

Oh, what's his name? Blumenthal, Connecticut. Oh, I doubt that we did much. I think that's a dream that we did much damage and have set that back. Well, you're wrong, Mr. Blumenthal. Once again, it did set them back considerably. And it's just amazing how things can be twisted and misstated. Now, how about New York City?

What is going on in New York City? They haven't elected him yet. It's going to come down to him against the current mayor. But they, well, of course, you know, I didn't think that Cuomo had much of a shot after all of the tarnishes on his record. But how about a Democrat socialist communist? Communist socialist.

Zohan Mamdani clinches the Democratic nomination for the city's mayor. And I don't know if you saw what he's proposing, but he's going to take over all the markets.

in new york city they're going to be owned by new york city and there's going to be a co-op and they're going to control the prices and this and that i mean it's basically hardcore communism in new york city uh and uh you know so anyways that it is what it is i don't know that

Business is going to come rushing in there. Potentially, you're going to have a communist mayor in what is the financial capital of the world, right? Yeah. Well, and London is the other financial center of the world, and they've got a Muslim mayor that basically adheres to the laws of Islam.

And then now you've got New York City. He is also a Muslim. Nothing against the Muslims. The communism part is the part I have a real problem with. So anyways, I don't know, Barry. When we were in New York City, my trip to New York City was early in January, you know, and I was interviewed on NASDAQ by the...

the CEO of Granite Shares, and I said, my top pick for 2025 is Palantir. And guess what? The number one performer in the S&P 500 is here to date at 54%. Palantir. All right, so Bill was right again. SL Green drops after Mamdani's victory in New York City. Well, SL Green is a major real estate holder, especially in Manhattan.

All those office buildings. And I've got to believe you're going to see rent control. You're going to see bread rationing. All kinds of crazy things coming to New York. One of the great cities of the world. When we come back, we've got news on rare earth from China. We've got NVIDIA breaking out. And look at AeroVironment, the drone stock, take off today. Another exciting day in the markets. We'll be right back.

I keep looking. Oh, we're going up. What are you feeling? Time that I've cost my life.

And welcome back here to the Best Docs Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson and Barry Kite, our chartered financial analyst. And right now on this eastern coastline, we're saying, how hot was it yesterday? It was so hot. Man, it's been hot. I think today is the last day of this heat dome over us.

But I could say the same thing about the market yesterday, Barry. How hot was the market?

Even Johnson & Johnson was up yesterday. Did you see my chart that I set up? Hey, you cover it all, right? Yes. I mean, it's still a dead-in-the-water chart. It's still a non-growth company, 3%, 4% a year. I rag on it all the time. It's in every portfolio, practically, that comes out of mainstream Wall Street companies.

And I said, wow, look, even Johnson & Johnson is up today. Well, we've got news out of China today, which is important. They're ordering rare earth firms to disclose technical staff to curb foreign leaks. In other words, those people that work at those rare earth firms, they want a list of employees with technical expertise, right?

They want to prevent leakage of trade secrets to foreign entities. And I suppose on this side, we're guarding highly our high-speed chips. And over on their side, where they control about 90% of the global rare earth magnet processing,

China's getting a lot of leverage out of that and using it as a geopolitical tool. Yeah, I mean, it's like they're going to – I mean, are we going to – I'm waiting for us to just – people are talking about paying in Bitcoin and paying in this, paying in that. Apparently, we're going to pay for the rare earths in NVIDIA chips. Yeah.

And I just hope that, you know, one of these miners out there, whether it's under the ocean or it's in the hills outside of Las Vegas, I hope we can find our own supplies of rare earth, maybe even green land. Well, it's the refining. I mean, regardless, I mean, it's, you know, the refining.

the minerals are out there. You just got to get them. You know, you got to refine them and get to them, you know, get them to where you can use them. And that's what, I mean, China's been building that, I believe, since the mid-90s. I was reading an article. Does the whole world shut down without rare earths? It seems like there's a lot of things that depend upon it. And on our side...

You know, us, the U.S., and Taiwan really are the ones that have the deep, deep secrets of the high-speed chips. And I see Beijing is not happy with Taiwan. They blacklisted several Chinese tech firms, including Huawei.

So, you know, look, the hot spots in the world, you've got Pakistan and India not liking each other. You've got Iran and Israel. You've got Russia and Ukraine. And the one that we just don't know where that all stands, but it's simmering underneath the surface is China and Taiwan.

which, you know, it's in China's charter to, at some point in time, take back and take, which they believe they own now, but to take over Taiwan. And a little bit of ruffling of the feathers yesterday when Taiwan blacklisted several Chinese firms saying,

And, of course, Taiwan Semiconductor, they've got a lot of trade secrets. China's got a lot of trade secrets when it relates to rare earths.

And NVIDIA is the biggest trade secret of all, I suppose. I mean, not even Jensen Wang's cousin over at AMD knows those trade secrets. They're not discussed at the dinner table, I guess. And, you know, the other thing I would say about AMD, have you noticed that stock lately, how vibrant it is? It has been, wow, it's breaking out again today. We made a good pickup there in the relative value fund.

It's been doing very, very well since we picked up some AMD. And that stock is back in fuego once again. Gold routed on ceasefire news. I've got to say that gold has been leveling off here recently.

You know, it got as high as $3,400. And like I say, I've cooled off definitely on gold with the ceasefire. I think that's what was really driving it. I mean, other things, the tariffs in Russia and Ukraine and Russia.

everything else but i i think maybe uh you know it it has outperformed it's up 30 percent year to date when it averages five percent a year over the long haul the other area of the market that i think is still pretty vibrant the european defense stocks they're meeting right now the world leading leaders are meeting for nato summit which is in the hague right the hague i think uh

over in europe and i think that's where trump is now uh the european defense stocks rally uh as uh five percent of gdp you have five percent that's way they were under two percent they've come a long way since trump took office the first time around right yes

Well, I'm going to add a few of these stocks to my app. There's only a couple I don't have. The big one today is British engineering giant Babcock International, B-C-K-I-F. It trades on the pink sheets. I mean, if you're going to buy it, you've got to buy it on the pink sheets. And then you've got an Italian aerospace firm.

firm Avio but then there is that the way to do it in my opinion was Rheinmetall in Germany they're pretty hard to buy because they trade pretty thinly the way to buy them is through that ETF that Tuttle came up with

He sent me an email on their new ETF, which is the European Defense Stock. So you can do a little Google search. I don't know the symbol off the top of my head. I did add it to the app. It's the number one performing ETF so far.

in 2000, who would have ever thought Rheinmetall, European defense stocks? Well, I mean, you've had a shift in the global, you know, in the global way countries are placed and positioned. And you've really seen Iran fall big time in the Middle East as the others are kind of flourishing. United Arab Emirates and Dubai and Saudi Arabia, you know,

That big visit by Trump to those countries, you know, really put on display how far those countries have come. It's too bad Iran can't use the money that they get from the oil to do what those countries have done. You know, use the wealth for other purposes than destroying Israel.

So anyways, gold steadies out. Oil, I think that was a sucker bet once again. I don't think oil, I think that was a temporary thing. We haven't seen the demand, as you mentioned initially. We haven't seen the, it wasn't, oil prices didn't go up because, you know, growth estimates around the globe have just shot up. It was because of a potential supply disruption, not on the demand side. Yes.

Well, there is a little bit of a breakthrough here. QuantumScape QS, it's working on those solid state batteries. Remember that name? It's up 36% after being dead in the water for a long time. And AVav, which is the drone stock that we own in our emerging growth portfolio, it's up 23% today as drone warfare growth.

It's kind of the big deal right now. We'll be right back. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting-edge stories that I can.

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We've got to get together sooner or later. And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Stocks Now show. The number one performer in the S&P 500. I was wrong. Palantir is number one, but it's not up 64%. It's up 89%. 89%. By far and away the biggest winner in the S&P this year.

NRG is number two, up 69.9. That's been a nuclear play, nuclear energy play. HOMET, number three, which we own in one of our portfolios, it's up 61% year-to-date. Seagate, number four. Newmont, number five. GE, Vernova. And, you know, there was a big move towards defensive stocks during the tariff turmoil, I would call it.

Philip Morris is up 53% year-to-date, a cigarette stock. I think that run in the defensive stocks, and you had to own a few defensive stocks back during that period of time, but it seems to me like the insurance stocks, et cetera, a lot of these defensive stocks that were kind of a big parking place for money until the dust cleared, dust settled.

Seems to me like they've kind of had their day in the sun. Okay, I see the Bonson Group. I've listened to him a few times, David Bonson. He says that stocks' biggest threat is their valuations, and I would totally agree with that. And that's why, I mean, you have to narrow down the universe quite a bit

And, you know, I mean, the stocks that we buy, they have to have that 80% upside potential. And, yes, some of them are trading at very high multiples, but they garner high multiples because they're superior companies. Yeah, earnings-wise. With superior growth rates, yes. Yeah, and as you've mentioned in the newsletter, and we've hit as earnings, right, or?

still growing, and so the concern is not the earnings side of the equation. It's the valuation side, the P-E side. The P-E ratio, which on the S&P, you're up around 22 right now, and I listened to a guy on CNBC. They've been bearish all year, CNBC, totally bearish, and as long as Trump's president, they're going to be bearish on the market. That's just the way it goes. They're letting their opinions...

you know, kind of taint and influence just stepping back and looking at the market itself and what it's doing.

And they were going on and on and on yesterday about the S&P 500 and the value. The guy came on that was like me, that continues to be bull. And they just ripped into that poor guy, shredded the guy. Actually, he had an answer for everything they came up with to throw at him.

And the valuation was their biggest one. How can you justify this valuation of the market at these lows? Stiefel seems to be a little bit on the bearish side. Their chief strategist says the S&P 500 will be $5,500 at year-end due to lower spending. Well, that's Barry Bannister. That's Stiefel's chief equity strategist.

So we're at 6,200 right now on the S&P 500. He thinks it's going to end. Let's write that down and see where his prediction ends up. He believes it's going to end at 5,500. The problem is, is the news flow. You can't predict the news flow. I mean, who would have ever guessed we would have had a ceasefire in the Middle East after 12 days of war?

And that's what makes it so difficult to try to trade the market because of the, you know, trade so much on breaking news. Well, Walmart is trying to take on Amazon more and more and become more. They would love to have an Amazon-like multiple on their stock, even though Walmart does have a pretty big multiple. They're going to test dark stores, right?

In other words, it's a store, but it's not a store that you go into. It's going to be a giant warehouse. They're really trying to up. That seems to be the big trend in today's world, delivery, delivery, delivery, delivery, whether it's Uber, whether it's Instacart, whether it's Walmart, whether it's Amazon, whether it's FedEx, whether it's UPS. Delivery, delivery, delivery.

And I see a big need for the robo-taxis as far as, you know, delivery somehow. But getting it from the car to the door is the biggest issue they have with that. But anyways, Walmart is going to test dark stores and ship directly from, instead of the store, directly from the warehouse. And Target's going to do the same thing. They're eyeing shipping products straight from their factories, right?

Who knows, maybe we'll see a day, Barry, where we don't even shop anymore. We just sit at home and shop online. Everything is online, delivered online.

I need some time out once in a while just to see some people, right, at the store. Well, and new stuff. I mean, my problem with, you know, kind of, you know, especially on the grocery side, right, is like, you know, you kind of need the walking. Of course, you end up buying stuff you don't really need. But, you know, it's like you've got to walk down the shelves. And, I mean, obviously, they make these packages too attractive.

That's right. Well, Madison Avenue, yeah. I mean, they know what colors sell. They know where the positioning of the product sells. That's all kind of going out the window almost with everybody online shopping these days.

AMD pops CFRA upgrades on upcoming products and a better competitive stance. So, you know, AMD was dead in the water for the longest time. It was up 6% yesterday.

They raised their price target at CFRA from 125 to 165 on AMD. And AMD is currently at 144 and breaking out again today it's up 4.1%. Can you believe how that thing just came alive?

What's Cathie Wood buying these days? Well, she made some big buys yesterday. Her two biggest buys were Shopify and Toast. Toast, you know, I don't know about that one myself, but they basically do all of the accounting. You know, nowadays you go out to dinner and they bring a little machine to the table and

with your bill and you click in the tip and it's all automated. It all goes to command central and everything like that and that's Toast basically. It's restaurant technology and there's some competitors in that space. I'm not a big fan of Toast myself but that's Cathie Wood's latest big buy. Shopify has been around for a while and

It's trading at an extremely high P.E. ratio right now. She also added 19,000 shares of Airbnb. Okay, Pony is getting added to the NASDAQ Golden Dragon China Index. I didn't know there was such a thing.

I know there's a Golden Dragon restaurant over there on, what's the island next to me? Daniel Island, Gary. That's quite good. They deliver it, by the way, and not bad either. They know how to keep it. Chinese food can kind of go bad in a container, right out of the wok and everything, and it's steaming and the smoke coming off of it. But they do a pretty good job.

I don't like to smoke up the home myself with a wok and all, but I do like that style of cooking. I get mine from Golden Dragon. Well, Pony, is it being added to the NASDAQ goal? You know what? I mean, it's in that robo-taxi space along with WeRide and others. And I saw a big pop in Uber yesterday. It had a very nice day because the feeling was is that Tesla stumbled.

Tesla stumbled over the weekend with their Austin rollout of their car. NVIDIA in focus. Loop Capital boosts target price to new Wall Street high.

We've been bullish on NVIDIA for several years. They raised their target price from $175 to $250. How about that? Holy cow. Yeah, I saw that. That's huge. Mathematically, you would come out to, I think, about a $6 trillion company, if I'm not mistaken. That's one of the best charts in the entire market. And how many times have we sat here on this show and said...

You know what? This valuation is not bad at all on NVIDIA, given the positioning that they have in the AI industry. That is a massive breakout right now, and it's touching. It's all-time high of 153. At that level, it's $3.7 trillion.

Microsoft is $3.6 trillion. It's past Microsoft for now. And Apple is clear down at $3 trillion. Apple's getting left in the dust.

as NVIDIA passes them all on the outside in the stretch and takes the lead as the biggest market cap company in the Dow and in the NASDAQ. And speaking of Microsoft, and we still own NVIDIA as our biggest position by far.

I believe it is going to be a $6 trillion company. I totally am on board with Loop Capital. When we come back, we'll talk about Microsoft, what they're up to. That thing broke out yesterday. And this little ASTS SpaceMobile, what in the heck is that? That thing's been red hot also here recently. And how about a complete ankle replacement? ♪ music playing ♪

And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Docs Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson. 25 years at the helm.

And behind the microphone, starting out in one little city named San Diego.

California. I was telling the story, I think, at the last workshop. Yeah, the whole timeline. It was good. My first time on the air, you know, I'd never done anything like that in my life. I was deathly afraid of public speaking when I was growing up. I was deathly afraid of public speaking. Who would have ever thought I would have entered up in this? And it was just a quirk.

that, you know, as I was traveling to and from my previous career in the outdoor advertising industry, I listened to a stock market show on the radio on AM1000 KCEO in San Diego. And when, you know, I decided we made a big transition in the billboard business and I decided to get into this business. This was a passion that I had.

And I first visited the little company in San Diego that I listened to on the radio. And within a few weeks of working there, maybe a month of working there, I was on the radio with one of their guys, and I've been on ever since there.

But, you know, I was pretty scared. And I talked about we broadcast out of a little studio on the Carlsbad Lagoon up there, over there in Carlsbad.

and they had a big porch that overlooked the lagoon and uh... once a look every couple weeks it was also they had a sister station that was really good uh... a very good music station it wasn't hard rock it wasn't classic rock it was more music of the day and i was there one day and cheryl crowe was performing out on the balcony that i think you know she's gonna be a big deal someday she had a few hits at that time it was just getting started out

And I actually met Gerald Crow on the balcony of KCEO, which now is owned by the Catholic Church. That's who owns the station. So it's like all Catholic programming now, and they've got no room for me on that show. Phillip Rivers helped the ex-quarterback of the Chargers.

financed it, I think, and bought it. He had 12 kids, by the way. I mean, Phillip Rivers was a very devout Catholic with a big family. Never took the Chargers to the promised land, but he was a good guy. He was a gamer and had a long career with the Chargers. So anyways, and then, of course, along the way, Salem Radio, I fell in with them through Quirk.

You never know if it's a coincidence or divine intervention. Who knows? But I ended up getting in with a salesman there at Salem Radio. And back then they had the Wall Street Network, which was on about 12 of their 80 stations across America. And pretty soon I was on the Wall Street Network network.

They don't call it that anymore, but I've been grandfathered into stations in Cleveland, Minnesota, Sarasota, Orlando, Houston, Michigan.

Where else? Pittsburgh and others. And we visit these cities. You never know how your career is going to go. KDOW in San Fran. I love KDOW, man. That is, I cannot wait to go out there. I've been on KDOW for a long time, but now I'm in more of a prime spot. I was kind of buried in the afternoon when most people were at work or dozing off at work or whatever.

Now I'm in kind of the drive-to-work time slot, and, man, we're going to hit Santa Clara by storm here. Coming up in a couple of months, I went out and did the scouting of it all. I'm pretty familiar with the area, having grown up in San Diego. I still think that's one of the great states, and you could say what you want about California, but you go around, whether it's San Diego, California,

You go to Sacramento sometime, land at the Sacramento airport. You come in over the High Sierra Mountains where I've spent a lot of time, trout fishing, hiking, backpacking, running the rivers with the boys that I was over, the young men. I've ran most of those rivers in whitewater rafts, the Kern, the Merced, the one that comes out of the King River that goes through Sacramento. Those are some wild rivers.

As that snow melts, those waters rage down, and they end up in that central valley, and that's why that's such rich farmland. And then you come out of those high Sierra mountains, all the pine trees and everything. Then you start hitting the oak trees, which are gorgeous. It's just a gorgeous landscape. Then you hit all the vineyards and the fruit trees, the almonds, everything.

uh the plums the peaches now they're growing a lot of olives they're making olive oil they're growing rice you've got the sacramento delta that flows through there where i was fishing about a month ago i sent a text to my buddy douglas i said douglas i'm going to come see you again i had a blast there uh striped bass fishing he caught a big sturgeon

which is out of season. He had to let it go, and they're catching more striped bass since I left. I taught him how to do it. Now he thinks he's like an expert. He says, come out here, and I'll show you where we have it. But we were fishing around. Oh, man, I tell you what, I had a great time, and I am planning on coming back there and making that a regular, regular visit. That's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful part of America.

You know, the governor's another story there and all this and that. Okay, we've got some other stocks here to talk about here to take you into the close of the show here today. I mentioned Microsoft. You know, they're the other big player in AI. They pretty much, with ChatGPT, started the whole revolution. I mean, it was under the surface until Microsoft came along with ChatGPT

and sent it to the surface of the average person now using AI. My wife loves it. She said, I'm never going to use it. I don't trust it. I said, well, honey, you can ask it just about any question, and you're going to come up with the best answer instead of doing all those Google searches that you had to kind of push your way through. Yeah.

I love it too. You know, I haven't come up with anything yet that's biased or I'm sure it's out there. Okay, now, let me get to my notes here. Well, we mentioned AVAB, which is up 23% today. This ASTS SpaceMobile, I don't know. It's a stock that's taken off and really, but it's sat phones. And I think there's a lot of competition in that sat phone satellite business market.

using your iPhone anywhere in the world, you know, to connect to a satellite and place a phone call. All right, well, we're out of time. You know what? If you're stuck with Johnson & Johnson and IBM and Kimberly-Clark and all the rest, I just think you can do better than that. I really do.

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