Where Did Tech's Magic Go? Featuring Alex Cranz and Michael Fisher
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welcome to Better off line. I'm your host ezy ron. Others SE known today as a walke joe rogan.

We are live kind of from the I hot rather studios in new york today. I am job by mister mobile himself, Michael Fisher and of course, alex cranes from the verge. Thank you for .

coming for to be here.

Thanks for having us. So today is about whether magics gone. Tech got two great technical alist with me and my self have done some writing on tech, I guess.

And the big thing and this kind of start, actually, from a conversion between you and me, Michael, about kind like, what are we even looking at in tech anymore? Why things aren't fund like what like a like, we've stop gate. The most fun thing I have found is you going to pull out my pocket and there's no video. So you never gonna like this .

anchor charger is like thirty box.

I like the battery packs a cool, but otherwise everything that comes out meant to be exciting, like humane pin and the rapid, are one which obviously were bad from beginning. Sorry, anyone who thought otherwise you were wrong. And like the daylight tablet, which will get to, of course, these things just have turned out to be just not even fun.

Not that you can be kind of shy, but fun. Like the something you can look at. Even some of the great tech failures like that are weird frame could upload things to from like twenty fifty, and like a few of these weird indie gogo looks there was a cute weird to IT, but now it's just almost just nothing.

There's a lot of reasons for that. There are yeah feel .

like there like a lot of compounding problems that are like that deposit us here today. I will say that I think that there some of those examples you gave are still could have been fun. The rabbit is still trying to like, salvage the situation and make IT.

But I mean a humane, I think, you know, took a took a giant swing, which was this thing we've learned, I think you shouldn't do at this point, which is try to replace the smart phone call to a smart phone, the enemy, and say we're going to replace IT, what with this wearable thing. And when you deliver a product that's so undercard, I think that's the problem started. You can't even get there anything also just .

everybody's in this big quest to to beat the smart phone, right? Like everybody wants to make the next smart phone so they can make all the money the way and what is IT. And so they're all like throat the wall is this IT? no.

But even like I mean, I think you're right when you say like the rabbit and you look at these AI devices and stuff where there feels like they're sort of A A sync m yeah to these products where you're like or you're just out here to make money, there's not like something fun and exciting here. Like the daylight computers, a good example. They're like, yeah, we're going to make computing black.

And just for the listen, as you mind not know about IT described .

the daily and the daylight computer you just reviewed IT right?

Just the back of IT yeah it's like, I think I called IT an ordinary android tablet with an extraordinary display because a special thing about IT is the display and David here said, know yeah like like think this a display company that is.

it's like an LCD display that only does back and way correct.

And the special thing is that IT has a fast refresh rate that makes IT very smooth. So when you're manipulating IT, it's like using a black, like using an an ipad from the follow world, right?

Yeah it's kind of like using an e ink android tablet if the e inc. Could go fast.

That's why I was excited about IT. So what's bad about that? I mean.

the problem for me, fundamentally, i've used a lot of android e ink tablets and I learned about these things. And fundamentally, the problem is they're built for black and White, which is cool. The internet isn't. Oh, so you're like, APP. I can see any .

other buttons.

cool. I .

for U, E, I to create. They have come out and said, look, we don't want color. Is this very granola very like if .

you watch the cover, the and like .

that is their pitch, that is their whole thing is like your screen is too colorful and too addictive. And you you should be able to use your tablet outside in in daylight time and IT should function as you expect. You should be able to do whatever you want. But at the end of the day, ideally you're not as you drawn into this war text of of tiktok and this feed because you know, you don't want to watch youtube on that.

You want to do with .

something a whole in one other .

example where people are just like, what if we took all the cool capabilities of your phone and then like, turned off a bunch of IT yeah.

I seen the ads for that that weird phone where it's like out if we we block out all the things, use your phone for, right? So the okay, the thing that you wouldn't use your phone is just very confusing. And I love posting. I love looking at my phone ninety two hours.

We are an online.

I will die if I don't go online. But also, IT doesn't feel like any of these companies, right, something with rabbit, same thing with daylight.

IT doesn't feel like theyve actually talked to a person like an actual person, like a Normal person, right? Someone who uses facebook and instagram to talk to their friends or get a ice ban and someone who has like a regular job, someone who isn't intake at all yeah and just said, what do you think? And then when that person said, I don't know what this, what? Why do I have this? Could what do I do? They should have gone to, oh, sure, I shouldn't have released, but he doesn't IT doesn't feel what rabbit I think is a separate because I think they are fully cynical. I think that .

they just be give IT has to be held separately.

They like IT, almost like they just a foxy, simple people who chose well, but you said they were, alex, you said they were. So yeah, I am I like .

I used a lot of million tablets to so when they reach like, hey, we have the device is its electronic paper. They're very careful singing electronic paper, not eating because that's like an actual brain of thing and eating will design from the heavens to just slap you down if you use IT appropriately. Um and they said they're eating and they they were said they were electronic paper, really cool refresh rate and they wanted to like do this whole daylight thing in the warm light stuff and I thought all I think the warm light stuff is very unproven .

science that is just is the one yes.

But like the idea is if you look at an orange light before you go to bed and make you C, P, blue light wakes.

just prove this wasn't the case. Yeah.

that was bad timing for daylight for sure because I came out with that thing is like like all these studies are not conclusive and also so many ones have proven the very cool yeah.

it's just like and so that's eight hundred dollars.

Eight hundred dollars.

The problem for .

me so that here's the thing, I don't think the CEO is I had some time to talk to the the CEO and I in a vacuum central I kind was like, this guys gotta a charleton got to be had going for a cash grab. What he is, my take away was, is that no a display nerd who really cares about making this particular kind of display technology? And this delay is cal, and they they like they didn't taken off the shelf component from share, which I also thought, and stuff in and do a White label android tablets.

which is what I thought they did.

that just the person, hardware, software.

the devices they see that, you know, it's early. And this is the thing we complain about with almost every product like, well, this is just an angle on the top of Andrea, but we buy all these ideas and a great, please .

deliver ideas before I go.

Aren't you very fine?

I wish I could do that with the bank. Yes, yeah, i've got the money this month, however, right. I will one day and i'll have lots of IT. I'm not sure that's .

a called a credit card. The understanding is okay. You have to pay extra because you borrow IT, IT.

Where is these companies are? Like, hey, give us your money. We're going to be a product. It's not going to be a good product. But if you just wait and like no, you should be, 你 pay .

me .

to wait， pay me to wait, right?

Yeah I think the uncertain thing for me is like it's the press. The thing that for day, if day light was down .

at two hundred.

three hundred hundred product for a very specific market. And and that's that's great. So I hit him on that. A lot of like you've got to make me understand why this is seven hundred, twenty nine, nine dollars and to hear them tell you what the work about into the display plus the tiny minimum equanimity they have to, they have to. So it's like .

this bitch got to.

eat.

Each I can see that side of IT .

now on click like i've got ten some experience with i'm like, okay.

I get that. I don't know it's true.

I'm not I don't know. I O A S one thousand from .

listeners at home. So Michael is using this case on his on .

his .

iphone is called the click and click for I allows that cost.

This is one, one and nine or excuse me, one or nine. I do like IT and i'm not just saying that because I am so founder and very as you can god dame.

no. So the thing is with something like that is that actually feels useful because people type .

stuff on their .

funds sometimes and actually .

that's .

the way of thing. They feel like less fun things to fuck around with these days. And that's something even like C S, for years has been like this. Everything, i'm sure next year is just going to be all ye again. But even the years before IT felt like there were less fun things.

There's the kind of exterior ring of security camera, uh, toilet line and dealt companies and and they like the changs change on dg romance company and they sell eleven different products, many batteries and they're all the very nice people. Then you've got like the cat late, a company that always turns up you've the wifi grow company always turns up the one folding machine that will never launch. But even then, the folding machine, I kind of like that, like a foxy dumb product that will never launch. But otherwise it's like, what is the magic got like when was the last time we had something fun even.

I mean, I C E S is a weird one because is so I think most of people coming there are coming to sell things in american markets, right? And if you don't need that, if you sell online, you don't necessarily need to go to see yes, and have that big presence because you don't you can just sell directly with the consumer. You can just step IT. And we see that was stuff like like the stuff i'm really and to right now is inal.

I think is .

how you say, which is like a gaming sol. It's A Y A N E O. I'm absolutely massacring .

the name A Y A A Y A N, the .

flip. And this thing is the dumas most fun thing i've used a while. It's like a steam deck. But if the steam deck ran on windows and therefore ck OK two.

three, why do you enjoy IT?

I think I like IT because it's different. It's doing something and there's like like, okay, the software is garbage, but that's kind of there's fault because it's hard to do software and like you shouldn't launch things with garbage software. Steam decades just fine, but it's also cool because like there's like it's just got a good display.

There's like a really good thought behind IT. And like now there's good people who really, really like this thing and gonna fun with. And it's mainly going to be nerds who wants to play nintendo D S. roms. And I like, yes, cool.

And that fears like the thing of bit, and I the .

ones that become a success unavoidably not as weird. Like the thing that jumps to my mind was, was the last time I was really impressed by something that I kept after the review period or bought after the review with the metal bands like, wow, oh my, got this stuff, really good speakers yeah, I know really in a pretty good camera into sunglasses and a much of a nice stuff that you really shouldn't talk about.

But it's it's it's a really .

great car thing of the train a lot yeah and they just sounds good and like everybody in the train car gets to listen to my music but then I sound really good on phone all so I don't care .

you can use photos yeah so and that's verging on useful. Is solution .

extremely useful except ate .

the meta and they make them .

they made IT because they have like meta has a big vision for a and V R, right? So they have the whole, the quest and all of that junk. And then they're like what we need to do A R stuff and we need to start Normalizing with is going to look like.

So we're going to start with .

this going anything and you and so it's all auto. Both was doing this a couple years ago, yes, who have done this. And it's like, you know, when both did IT was a stupid concept and even the first sectary band really stupid and in this time the quality was just good enough. You're like, okay, I get IT now much of those they're like .

two fifty years between two and hundred.

One of those things where you're like, I just got paid and got any bills do anytime soon, let's do there. And they actually accomplish .

something that like a lot of these AI companies that we have touched on earlier have tried to do and and sort of failed to do, which is get you out of your phone you for me I don't know. Well, i'm a stupid inflation a but like thirty percent of the ad but like I found up the camera right that's why I got my phone out just to use the camera for something yeah and when you have a camera built in your glasses, you can .

just literally .

hit a button.

But because it's .

because .

my yeah of new york times, he does lovely videos of him cooking using them. And I would be like talking to me, like making stuff is cotton that's fun? I actually really enjoy that stuff IT feels bad.

The matter is doing IT, though like the idea, but also how, if so, where the matter made something good. Ah I very confused because alright, the V R stuff with quest, I know we like mention like most people like the quest is good. IT isn't good.

I'm sorry. I am very sorry, casey. My very close to casey is going to be gonna pissed off to get a signal message.

The quests fine, but even the new one, I still get sick. Yeah, I still feel weird. IT still .

doesn't go on my face, right?

That's why they.

the glasses, the glasses, because they like they, these headsets and everybody was like, oh, wait, this is not the future for A R. And V, R. People look stupid. Like I saw my, if you come like one day I went over and i'm visiting and say, hi everybody, I go, where is in there I go he's upstairs and a golf stairs and there's just a little kid all alone in a room like wag in the sticks around. And that's the dumb est thing i've ever seen.

Like I wanted to give I like I wanted .

to give him a wedding, right? I'm like that's that's a bad place for an end and just like put my hand in my pocket and walk away. And but that's the way IT is for everybody. And so they are okay. We got to do these glasses because if we do these glasses, then that be as dumb and stupid looking.

And I should just give a shout out to a company that not a lot of people remember, and I, I bet you do, but remember focused by north.

I want to the name, I don't remember what they did.

They shaped para glasses that were very like. They were a little chunk here. They were obviously something a little little .

off about these glass orlay.

But they display, but materialized in your vision, was a little traun like heads up display. And you could see your text messages from refound. You could try for driving directions, turn by turn directions, little point of interest things. And I was like, IT was appearing in your eyebrow. Of course, I was very strange because when you're talking to somebody, you'd see the'd look kind above your eyebrow and then you'd be like, are you are you checking .

your messages when i'm talking to you?

No, no. That's where you get .

the sunglass version, right? But like, this was a great idea. The technology is very fascinating. And then as often happens, there were purchased by google, and google either mismanaged IT or killed IT.

Q.

just brutal. I mean.

and that was the last time I felt like we are on the cup of maybe the next chapter of personal mobile computer.

I google glass look cool. I never got to play with. And I think Robert scovill has done a lot of bad things, but that weird picture of him in the shower, I genuinely angry to the show.

So this is there's a really disgusting fellow called Robert scope of famous for reasons i'm not actually sure he kisses up to you on us now once to marry his test or I believe I ve really checked that fact. It's opinions you can't sum me. So Robert Scottsboro a picture wearing his google glass. Well, what looks like screaming in the shower? And I mean, just a lot of people .

talked about .

that photo. IT was very the inverse of pornography. And but that moment was really, unfortunately, because google sass was too expensive in all that. And I don't think anyone should have ever looked today as the future riving that day.

But IT the idea of a heads up display the cool I think heads up displays cool, I think, yeah I don't agree with we need to get away from our phones thing. What we need is Better society so that it's worth looking away. That's that's the atl that this is an escape.

And we made a tool to escape from the world, kind of ripen off paris Marks from tech one, say us. They made a similar points, the vision pro, to distract us from real life, which is a bit much, but he's not totally off. But it's weird like heads up displays feel like a future. I know it's the big capital, but that's a way that they could be useful while getting us away from constantly staring because there are times where i'd like to walk through new york city and just listen to the music, but also know what i'm doing because I don't ever and has up player be good, but it's almost like they shouldn't be trying for fifteen years that they need to get to a completely different level of chip. There's plus display, plus everything else and then do IT really well.

That's just because they're also desperate. The next iphone, I love you. I think everybody in this room currently has an iphone. They are, they are very good devices. Yeah, and everybody wants to be the next one, because then they get the thirty percent lock and they get, they get the cultural cause.

Yeah.

IT just makes you the next big thing. And so meta been doing that. Google been doing that poorly.

Samsung, you know, a lot of these people do IT, and they all fail out IT because the text is not there yet, right? Like glasses. You're not going to get glasses until you have actually good displays .

that can also pass through and can turn off in an intelligent .

way with you and most importantly, that you don't look stupid wearing. Yes, like if I want to give you a weg.

you've lost .

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So IT feels like all in reality is at least whether could be fun no, yeah. But IT feels like it's not twenty seven, twenty fifteen when they had that weird birth of them. IT feels like they're all step back for IT, which sucks because IT feels like we actually did R N D money there.

Yes, yes, because I feel like that to think like the point you were just making, Alice, is that the technology needs to catch up to the aspiration. And we've seen a lot of the demo. And again, the most promising one got bought and killed.

And i've never anything, I think the rabbits are close. And and the planning, apparently, to put a lot more, invest a lot more, they are right. They this week, I think, did a whole reordination week recording. This, did a whole reordering this of the the meta division. And so they're like oculus, you over here and you go over and like an under an add sales guy.

I don't remember .

the name going up .

and then the ray bands.

they're like, okay, this is like, this is our focus. They've got plans for some glasses in the next couple of years that like much more involved. We've heard like google, bat focal and we haven't heard anything there.

And so I could be dead. But also like everybody, he's talking about A R right now. So IT feels like maybe they're coming back.

I think that so I don't know about the road on bubble. Yeah well, I think what they are doing right now is freaking out yeah because they don't have they all want to be the next time. But what they realize is there is no next die phone right now. There is no next google or facebook or anything.

So A I chasing .

A I but come on.

I was to say you've got a very good job in the first three weeks and on this very show, why is not as exciting?

That's a good point to bring up. How do you too feel .

about A I well, I feel i'll also say this details of what you were just saying. I the companies are not the only ones desperate for the next iphone. I am desperate for the next iphone anytime again. Peers know, wrote that little blurb about um you know the the season of A I gadgets is here yeah before any of the accumaster rabbit came out and I was like crossing my fingers because as somebody who covers the stuff and as somebody who has loved the stuff for as long as I can remember, I love the excitement of new things coming out and introducing new possibilities and and I feel like the I an increasingly severe garage against the AI bubble, the high cycle for raising my hopes, actually putting some pretty good hardware, my home. So what you wonder about the humane pom that hardware rocks and then absolutely cutting its like that from under IT because most of its functional ties based on an L M that you can't trust because he tells you the sun is going to set forty minutes to go at eleven in the morning .

yeah I think like A I is you know i'm super excited about apple intelligence mainly because i'm going to be able to make the best chip post to send my friends because you can do image generation and it's hiti as it's terrible looking yeah and i'm so excited to just troll people. But otherwise, like, you know, A I is is one of those things like we built lying machines and and as far as large language models, they're really bad at IT to the went we're tim cooks like, well, I wouldn't say hundred percent get IT .

right and actually a bad thing you to .

say do and and everybody saying that because I like, don't worry about, don't worry about meanwhile, the researchers are like, actually our language models aren't the thing right? Do you should worry about IT but everybody y's like, but we can .

make money .

now song when .

he's not serving PC gamers like me. That's the thing though IT exciting tly was saying that mr, actually kind of the impetus us being at today, something in the show that people say people about all the time. Is you just because I love this year, do you know how when I get a new done gadget like a mess around .

and I anker charger .

and so excited, I got two, so got redundantly so happy with that stuff. I love my little gizmos and gadgets. I love this stuff. And I haven't really had anything. The steam deck was the last time I was really like excited for and then excited after yeah and kind of the vision pro oh interesting .

but .

it's like there's always a buff and the bus is usually yeah but the people who made IT, they didn't really give IT to real people. They gave IT to a focus group and there was a ini one with page say whatever they wanted to hear and the rest didn't turn up. And it's just frustrated because there was a time, I think this just rock bubble.

There was a twenty year period. We got new stuff, new stuff, new stuff. Having the bad stuff was kind of funny yeah, even though this dorky ini gogo bullshit, like the coolest cool, which had a speaker at a moggi you knew I was never can enjoy them try then they came a bunch of people that was bad.

You stop getting fun like there wasn't something to look forward to that the vision of reason about up is my first hour within was so citing and then I realized that I had like light leading. So I started fucking with IT and I couldn't get IT all right. And I spent looking another hour trying to make IT work.

And I just turned out that, like, I didn't have the right side thing, which dramatically improved IT. And I was using IT fairly often. Unlike this is not there yet.

This is different and cool here. And watching movies on is great. Then I tried to watch on a plane that I got a migrant, and I ve yet to finish june. People say this out tomorrow, whatever IT is from that to me all the time. But it's it's very strange because you must doesn't feel like anyone's trying.

because I like the V R thing is a weird one because IT is so dependent on the person， right? Like I added a friend who also just recently did across country flight, where the vision pro watched june and june to back to back.

And they were.

they loved IT absolute as you would presumable thrown out everywhere.

And then my head just felt like you would explode.

yeah. And that's just because, like your vestibule lar response is totally different than their vestibular response. And that's what's gonna happen there.

And that's why VR is dead. And that's why meta now is like being like, you go over here. We tried IT.

a watchful hand of boss. Yeah.

we did that. What was the meter quest pro was? Was at the one where they.

the pro, when they would cancel.

Yeah, where they released IT. Never like this is garbage and they're like they released .

I think what I was, they released at the same time the quest to which was like three hundred, four hundred box people. This is pretty good yeah like the expectations. But what if you paid fourteen hundred dollars for something that wasn't as good but was more powerful?

Well, yeah and that you were saying it's like like, like IT doesn't feel like people are trying in the more I think that's not I think people are trying at the wrong thing. Yes, former journalist, uh, should be. Come a journalist again. We have David was just complaining about this. I'm linked in and he was just like, no, with respective of product managers who I call my friend and I like, product managers are ruining the segment .

because but even be take out .

above the P M. Like it's like companies have realized that if they do enough marketing to create artificial demand, then that is a way to make money in the short term and and you can keep the business growing.

Or is that just what they believe is the case?

IT may well be at right out. And for the long term, it's certainly not sure. yeah. But for the short term and maybe you get Spike and IT feels like there's ten times as much of that as there is for for every ten examples of that. There's one example of the convention actually like, hey, we actually have A A good thing.

Maybe it's a little weird idea, but we think enough people buy will buy IT and find delighting IT that we can make a business out of IT, right? If more people did that instead of like what how can we make money and get out as quickly as possible, right? Then I think we would have those glory.

You can make money and get the people you I are you enjoying any devices other than the strange, not quite steamed .

yeah the garbage steam deck that i'm not even onna score because you should buy IT. It's it's it's not going to be good for most people but it's so much fun to like fuck around with. I don't know.

I like that. One of the reasons I got really into eating because I felt like I was much closer to like this, felt like there was something there that could be solved pretty quickly. But that was like five or six years ago. And yeah, that hasn't happened.

What's slowing you down?

Because everybody wants to make money through vertical integrations. So they like, well, I don't want you to actually get anybody else's books on your device.

I want you to get my box.

So everyone is a platform play. So everybodys doing a platform play. So it's money again, right? Like, everybodys like I need all as much I can get to my little side. Because apple did that, I worked really .

well for apple.

never for anyone else.

Yeah guan amazon kind of time.

that's ue.

And you haven't seen meaningful evolution in the kindle with describe .

in a long time.

which in garbage compared a lot of the like china. And this is the point is there's a lot of innovation .

happening in china. You use the in and so there was those sites, android gaming console before the steam deck. So just to be clear, and probably not as fun, but super fast, you could do a police station remote on IT, almost like predicted to the playstation port, which is literally just playing playstation. And IT was great.

And what they did, this crazy idea they were like, won't we make IT really easy to run the specific gaming apps you like? And what if we made the buttons good? And what a crazy I D like sold down indigo or did really well comes like china.

And it's like this current synaptic bic climate fucking frustrate. And because let them in, please borrow the innovation from them. They see china seems to be fucking trying with tech.

right? One of the reasons are trying because I kind of went down a rabbit hole with the eating thing where like, why is nobody trying this? Like you're getting all these really cool eating creators out of china and nothing here.

And I was because we're so obsessed with that lock and we're so obsessed with how do we build that bigger model. We don't want to sell one thing. We want to sell you the services. We want to sell you the platform. And in amErica is just super high per focused on that where china is like, I mean, I don't care who you is what I .

mean that I mean there they also yeah.

it's like we all Operate within this one.

but we are all controlled by ten cent. But yeah, it's frustrating because I feel like what IT might also be is that they are like how we make the next trillion dollar company, or billion dollar company. They like, what if you made a fifty million dollar company? No, yeah.

Got you to get your your investors right. You got to get your stock holders. You ve got to do all of that. And apparently, money is not free. People don't just give money away.

one hundred million dollars to add newman again so that he can make the next bad company.

I think that happened.

He did. He got two hundred and million, thousand.

I wanna feel that hard up. That's so good.

But like you, I don't mean to keep bring her back to human. But that was the thing I kept saying in the human briefing. I was just like, guys, I I know this is not what you want to hear, but this would be a great little accessory for the phone. You could still do a lot of call that have link to your phone and then IT wouldn't be well.

bunch of things work but .

I you didn't catch on .

fire that i'm here. But like IT wasn't a bold enough vision. I didn't assume IT wasn't a bold enough vision one to get a bunch of people motivator to do because if you're replacing the smart phone big quote around that, that's that's a mission that at least difficult. That's like a moon shot. And then b, you can get enough investors excited to your point to give you all, all the money .

together. humane. A, I google, it's terrible. Twenty four dollars a month, just the basic thing.

But the human is so weird that this is the thing that I will never understand and they will never tell me, is, how did you put this out the door? How did you look at this stick? I wait over heats in two minutes.

Oh, ChatGPT sometimes doesn't work. Basic shame. I mean, I would not want to do IT. I would be like.

they kind of hand you right. Like they kind of hit their their point. Words like shut to get off the pot.

This is the question I don't know. I abit had unch .

we all knew was .

gonna which was google going to do? I was going to do something .

like people. So how so I could say this .

IT looks cool.

Yeah IT does look cool.

Is on the board of teenage engineering. He is on the board. This boys, okay, we're going to talk about the rabbits time.

So those things you don't know about the rabbit is this two hundred dollar A I device. And IT claims have something going to be a large action model. Large action model claims that was trained on six hundred plus apps to distinctly can enjoy raps. But for some reason, I only launched with four or five. Turns out that when you ask the lab to do something, IT would sometimes just not work.

Sometimes you would say auto mcDonald and IT would go sorry, uber and working and IT turns out due to some friendly hackers that IT turned out that IT isn't actually using a large action models connected to play right a script thing show more more tech al lessons in my my corrections and very sorry, but insure instead of running a large action model and actual A I think IT was trigger ing scripts using ChatGPT. Now I could do a whole episode surprise. I haven't over the whole thing that they used to be an N F.

T. company. but. Putting all of the obvious horrible things aside, it's just fucked and sucks. Yeah, it's just really bad in a way that is almost unbelievable. I recommend you go look a day, three day. Did the whole thing about IT before I came out was very good but don't look at linux and linus. I know people are promised with IT, but his think about that the rapper was great because so IT was mostly him trying stuff and not working to us what what .

which was very entertaining .

is very funny but IT, it's just broken yeah ah and they raised another thirty two million dollars in march. IT feels like I am living in a different universe to the rest of the world. I see this is bad. The youtube like this is the worst thing I ve never used. The absolutely yeah need to get in on the shit now.

Yeah, yeah, elan musk, just send them from my check. He did not my knowledge for write them a chat. He wouldn't do that.

You know, I don't .

think you're alone. I think there is a weird tension happening where we have silicon valley. We have all these investors and silicon valley who are all just desperate to make money and never took a single history english course like any liberal arts.

They think that's stupid. And then there's the rest of the world yeah and and these people are so focused on money, they forget the rest of the world. They they never touch grass. And so they'll put on the vision problem, be like this is going to change the face of computing and not consider the billion of different other ways people use computers or they'll see the the rabbit with the worst name on the planet, by the way, a majority of women I know, yeah, the rabbit .

was coming out was in my .

drawer next to my dad. What the hell, guys?

I didn't even put the rabbis a very .

neuk like that is a term for a whole type of of sex toy that woman.

yeah. And so like .

when they were like, we've got the rabbit is like to you. What is a different rack.

Jesse looks like and now bring out the body. Look what's happened at C.

E. S. I knew you guys were .

doing sex tech now, but what I moved the ad staying .

away from C2But I t hi nk tha t IT is tha.

t tha t the re's the kin d of dis connection fro m the rea l wor ld. But as also, I don't know if these people use stuff, I I don't think do I don't know if they use IT like I really wanna just get behind mark and dories in at one point and can't say the rest that but I mean, look over his shoulder and see the font size on his iphone like I wanted. See because I don't think these people interact with the real world of touch grass. But I also don't think they like I don't think well, vision, prose different because public company, whatever. Yeah but like the rabbit, for example, I don't think they fucked in kid.

They like these little pigs or bought IT, right? Like like they announced the thing, they made these huge Anthony es and then IT came out. And we haven't heard how the three cells or how the the .

sales of hundred thousand units after now we don't yeah I don't know .

what we're going to hear about that, right?

We are not it's coming from Jesse little.

I think you know I mean, if i'm with you, I think they're dubious business motivation to a lot of this, right? But I I can't help me to think that if I wasn't inside one of these organizations that I would look, no, I know I would have been caught up in IT.

I the ambition, I would be the promise, especially when you consider that the design process of a lot of the stuff goes back to the time when we were most of us are getting our first chance to interact with ChatGPT. And i'm like to make me a text adventure in the style of star ric deeps s nine. yeah.

And if I did IT and I was like, oh, oh my god, you know, I remember where I was when that happened. I was like, the first time I put on A V R headset. I remember the first time I I was actually blown away by A I. If I was inside the company recently, I company is like going to change the world with this tech. I think I I probably would have been on that boat for like a year .

before I started getting .

really internally GPT yeah I for me .

I used IT and just reminded of me of the aim bots yeah from like, i'm old here. I'm apologies to the audience.

I'm sure you're all twelve.

Hi, why are you listening to people? Bod, go and g and and you type and type back and and then we've seen this so many times and this one I was like.

kay.

we're back to. We're back to this like the the pattern recognition and recreation machine has gotten just really, really good. And I was like, that's fine.

Yeah, that's kind of that's actually where I was as well. Like, are you can do a text based of extra? And I think I ve heard that I would have gone cool or I and just kind of just said because I want often yeah, I have clients in A I, but nothing that touches this shock, some scared of that.

And it's like a few planes now who have even just do A I think thing. I don't surprisingly enough, I I companies aren't so excited to don't hear about them actually having to do stuff. But it's like with ChatGPT, for example, I know I actually understand totally, Michael, why you excited like that.

I can understand why others might have been excited by that. I just don't understand how they steal that way because nothing has happened. Money, I guess, but I mean.

money is a very powerful driver .

if you work for a financial institution. I get IT like get, get even just regular people don't seem excited. It's just so what IT feels like living in two realities at one, yes.

And like there was a sign that someone posted a blue sky was like we put the A I in an I N I P A was a dead ver. What yeah I just I feel like I like I have a friend who is in a dot combo company. Yeah like a textbook relate one.

And i'm really tempted to call him to be, was IT like this, was IT like this. And if he says, yes, i'm gona do nothing because I can't invest in anything out because I run a bloody take podcast. I can't do with anything. Can't short shit is like the big short but save cross like, well, i'll just go home.

I guess I think like we have to give give credit to the to the entire thing. First of the marketing approached to AI has been really frustrated because everything is A I stuff that was that existed before in IT has been poured directly unchanged and just rebranded as as A I. Just much in the same way I think somebody brought up to me at the at the john deer event is just that we will not be talking about OK.

I had so many questions.

so many thought I was like, guess like slapping a non G M O label on on unchanged box of which like it's okay. Well, a is just being marketed much too aggressively.

So you have stuff stuck in here kind of getting caught in the in the flag, the type that's really useful but it's it's seasoning that you put on something that is already yeah it's not in itself a self contain thing capable of driving a whole new range of especially gadgets, which again makes me very sad because every time you would touch a new A, I think the plot is the plot. Note that little self contained A I voice record was like, this is very cool. I wish I were an alternate universe in the year two thousand, and I could actually get excited about this.

What this is, is a feature that belongs in the google recorder. And oh, sorry, I just finish the video and that's exactly what google bilton to the record when I was done. okay.

Well with that for now yeah form IT to a yeah everybodys I mean.

yeah I think they're just gonna back and forth everybody y's gonna isolating until like something sticks because they're so desperate for that next thing they are so eager. They everybody just looking for the money. They know IT somewhere. And like right now, IT is all in a video stuck and and they're hoping that IT will somehow come at some point.

Why not? Why not you? I don't know. It's like why not build some fucking hardware to put in video stuff in? I realized those black world chip, someone we're talking about, but I don't know do it's almost as if no one wants to do the work in the middle.

They are like, I got no idea and I to make a product, can I skip the middle part is boring, its expensive and takes forever. I need to have the share on the market in six months and I can be if IT is the growth that all cost our economy ever about hundred times. But it's also frustrated because I actually think if they put in the effort, this would be cool.

When that comes to A I part of my frustration comes back to that thing we are saying earlier about how we've let down because I would actually love IT if I could reliably tell my phone to take distinct actions. Send the calender, invite alex and Michael three P. M. The red studio c. Send IT and IT would know how what maybe IT goes to do you on eastern and pacific time or wait, I said, new york, you already know and IT sends the inside the function removes that would be, I wish in my regular email job I can have to do the spread sheet and the documents IT can't IT can't actually do these things yeah and this the please make that the feel now IT isn't the future we need to. They can't even describe what IT isn't.

Just look because they can't do that future yet, right? Like there's the things we have. Now the thing that everybody got really excited about was they released ChatGPT three point five.

Everybody went, oh, crap. This can write, this can write stuff, and they can write IT not like garbage for once. And this is huge.

And all of the researchers just roll their eyes because we've seen this for ages. They're get a large chunk bottle. That's what they do. They calm down and say no. And then the downloads increase the downloads increase in a risc weight. I think there's some money here, right? And let's just like ride this hype, just ride into the ground as long as we ride IT, as long as we can intelligence the ground and that pretty much what happened just right?

Yeah, i'm trying to i'm like i'm still i'm a half way between like the stuff that that we're all talking about and then the stuff that I see again in these little flashes of like. What I will be on on a trip with Kevin, neither will be, be like, what do you do? And is so, well, I have a cold.

So I can't do voice over from my video, but I built a model of my own voice. So now all I have to do is type in something and script in the model, in my voice, read into the audience. And I like with that useful right, you know, book mark, and like generative film stuff fort.

It's it's not like I am typing in the madju ney. Like, make me photo of a high turtle eating micron cheese. Well, what is like? No, yes.

But like when you .

wrote in a photo, right? And then you have to fill in the stuff with with fake scenes to make IT look okay. You can run a blog post is like that useful?

So little yeah.

there is a lot of these smaller things that could be super, super useful, but that's not what they want to focus on. That takes actual work that takes that there's more development than you .

already big enough that you ve bought what every little company up with that. And you built like your adobe. You build IT in a photoshop.

yes. So everybody .

hates you because you're adobe.

I think it's almost they are really good at features, but terrible at products like these aren't useful because the annual user interface of phones is really good and also very bad. Yes, I will lose what I am doing on my phone. Sometimes I have five hundred eighty seven safari types up that .

just because .

because the U. X. On there is so one key and it's so like it's not like on a computer where you have like like a actually that would suggest like close crime type of computer too. But I don't lose shit as much, but I still do on the computer.

Yes, I I don't miss .

meetings because I generally forced myself to be on time as I was not today. And it's the fact that I have to moderate so much of this stuff. Yet everyone's talking about A I that really pissed me off. Why can the phone, if A I is the golden future, why we so far from part that is .

the security and privacy like we just saw. Um as we're recording this earlier today, apple said actually a bunch of these features that we announced that ww dc like apple intelligence, which is going to make theory like do a lot of the stuff we all want IT to do.

They are not coming to the europe because the dma and they're like, oh, no, we're worried it's gonna do something about the privacy recall is another example that was the windows feature where I was like, what if we just to me, I I was editing our post for and I like this rules. I didn't even think about the security because I was like, I was going to take a picture. I'm just gonna know. And like i'd recently been trying to look for a text message from ten years ago. So I was feeling very like this is perfect for me specifically, and then never seems like this is the worst thing to ever happen in my life.

What about recall? As well as they didn't actually solve the real problem, which was search. Searching for the spotlight is actually really good. Yeah, is no good ough no IT could just be a little bit searching for stuff on your messes could be Better that would require them to make that Better the like, we just what .

I in a plane text file and then we'll just use A I to train on that and yeah like, yeah, that is definitely a solution.

It's reminding me of something. I I switched to a text message provider like fifteen years ago, right? And I was in intoxicated by the prospect of being able to search all of my text methods for all time, drop down a few times and over the course of the past, like two years, have been like, I must delete that entire, yeah, this is a much liability.

I have a ils, my text. No.

I keep all of them. Don't worry. Again.

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So returning from a commercial break that all announced next time, it's just I wonder if it's something to do with the venture capital climate, but not just that they don't want to, to invest in things that aren't gna grow huge, but also I think they're scared of hardware. They just like concept of hardware is just it's expensive. But also, like you been saying, is not really a there is if you own the hard wear device, but you need to come up with some noxious way to change.

The more yeah everybody is obsessed with how do we get that extra that extra money, right, with the exception of some hardware .

in this room currently. Thank you very much. And we just had break down.

But but pretty most part, everybody is obsessed with this. When we said this was the video again, I think that one was like one of the first ones we saw with where they're like, what if we charge you just to play on mind with your friends, even though IT doesn't cost us anything to do that .

really well? I think I beggin began with the game. That was the moral of living the hall summer.

That was the big moment. They charged two thousand and nine and some armor for your horse. Did you get? No, no, maybe the eldest grows online, but nevertheless, that was the moment when IT. But they were like.

and then we ve got the more microtron actions they're like, or do you want to do a cool little like hand wave and destiny? Five dollars. And I paid IT, unlike you, I paid the five dollars. I was like, take my money. Bg, I M sorry.

Since were talking about old timely things, the first time I encountered this was with napster, when nap ster went a git. Do you remember that very brief .

moments were still with name? ster?

I went.

I moved to ruin several computers. yes. And the nature comes like you were going on.

The jit just pay us this very affordable monthly few, and you get a little to music. great. And I got to the part of the front page. It's like you and if you ever stop paying, as you will lose access to all what yeah, it's two thousand six and what is this?

And now that's how spot I work.

is exactly. Do you have free account?

I don't pay for spotify .

for I pay for apple .

music like I I I get IT through .

my my phone bill for some reason.

That's good.

Yeah, it's great. So i'm like I do I pay for IT unclear.

but it's just weird because IT feels like there are a very obvious problems that people have like phones are the whole stop using your phones thing is stupid at the top is that B, I had a really good piece. It's like, I love my phone, love being on my phone. The problem is this too much shit in IT.

And that doesn't mean google. I need you to search for me. You also not good at IT, but it's the I feel like they are selling us back the idea of the interfaces, except they are not even doing IT, they are not actually automating anything.

That's the thing with the A I. That is the problem of A I of the other ones, which is it's not doing anything for me. What is IT doing? wait. Even the apple intelligence that just an episode, excited about the prospect of what they could do, but also they didn't actually say much. Yes, siri can do actions across moto plates.

And also it's not coming until well after launch, right? Is that chases, right? Yeah, some of the features they were really like, they weren't clear on which features are .

coming immediately, which are later just is IT almost at what I mean because that was wwdc.

Google I O, we just finished to speak development conferences and and while I was instinctively for developers and instinctively for the rest of us and IT should have been developers because never has the relationship between these platforms and developers been more fraught.

This stuff is happening in europe with the dma has made IT really, really difficult and instead IT was for investors and saying here we've we've got our AI thing to we are in on the hype and as you don't have to be like we talked about um i'm going to a little plug here. We talked about this on the verge cast to the the verge where where I sometimes talk about stuff too. And and we talked about IT over there.

And I was really, really clear that they just they'd done this for the investors. And if they hadn't been doing a eye this year and IT was really clear that was kind of bolt IT on, everybody would be talking about how stupid and dumb and delightful ly your phone looks, because you can change the color on IT now, right? Like, you can change the user interface. And like, there are these cool moments that happened and they just like, no, no, no, forget that. Ai yeah no.

me that I mean, like, and that has been the case since I got in this business. It's like you go to show you, well, what's the theme this year? You know, I think we first exceeds of the song in twenty seventeen in google, first spent like half of google you talking about bots.

And yes, I think this was .

the same .

year that facebook, when they did F A.

was at that we're .

to revolution the world chat in. So where .

are is the m assistant with .

facebook? And IT was so .

focused but .

is always that big, you know, overarching theme. And it's again to your point. And yes, IT is no curry favor with with investors and make sure no oodle is not being left behind because we can afford to be seen as being left behind.

And then know you get the search query the the the glue on pizza stuff to go at rocks thing. And of course, they're got egg on their face now because and I cannot, for the life of me, understand why no one internally said, hey, stop lets. That's actually because google is .

one of the biggest companies in the world and IT is a nightmare to work in. A yeah tony fadel who who built like and all of that stuff, he rote a book that was all about how he he knows business. And um one of the really actually interesting parts in IT is how his just relationship with google collapsed after he was nest was acquired. They acquire this and then at like immediately you know his boss is like, actually i'm not your boss anymore at the sky over here is your boss you doing this and then that guys like, oh, actually you're doing this and I was just constantly changing because it's such a big a more office thing ah and like a lot of these company that way, google is probably the worst seat at amazon's prety bad at the apples should early pretty good at IT. Apple's whole thing is just like the culture of the place can sometimes .

is .

get in the way it's dish yeah ah in google also a cold but it's like what if we were like a big kind of disorganized?

There was a run by show regulators and no machinery graduate sound up shy. What confused me is like this read has been there like decades search chief now, but also her boss is propagate van who former head of ads. We also used to run yahoo.

Please listen to the episode, arguably the weirdest thing I ve discovered of the modesty in the mirror. Anyway, it's just, it's frustrated as well, because you can they must have no shame. They must legitimately be like, who gives the like? The only way you you are able to release products this mad is when you just to your point, IT was for investors, but now the company is for investors. Yeah because I think that that is the reason that's being crow.

That's why like someone like panel panel who's not amazon or or Steve jobs had these like pena, I used to run the surface depart, run all of the .

surface products .

at microsoft. He really understand I like build these things. And like I think he made a real moment with the surface because he cares about the products and he's now amazon and they won't let me talk to him and it's fine. I'm okay with that. But and that's because he's going in like, okay, we've got ta fix amazon like product line up because it's .

it's really IT was good yeah .

what if IT was good and and you see that but those are the rare guys, right? Like the reason these people are so beloved is because they do care. John Y, I have terrible ideas a lot of time.

Apparently he was like his idea. Put the eyes and the vision. Pro.

oh, really. yeah. I would be able to stay, live lives.

yeah.

What if if the watch was a triangle or no? No.

that's the rest.

I, I, by the way, I wanted see, jodie. I ve apparently samon really badly wants to make a device of them. Yeah, honest. Give them as much money as they want. I want to see, I want to see the .

home mobile. You just think about IT.

a new, new type of blue device ports to do. You can connect. You blow advice.

Do I think, oh, shit. IT just looks gorge, which is, i'm fine of things look good. But if they just completely less no.

no, I mean, but that was the thing is like he's kind of like a lesson or example because he does have some bad ideas. He's so about the minimalism and that IT goes like somebody tell him no, but that's why Steve works. That's what that Steve jobs works.

I don't know Steve jobs, he's dead. That's why Steve jobs works. That's what that's why pianos work was because they they can they actually care about the products. They actually want to make something good. And most of the time now, like tim cook, i'm sure he cares about the product because he is the CEO, and he has to make money and and and please, as investors and soft. But he is a supply chain guy, right?

Like I also feel like laptops have really their phones .

theyve gotten really good because everybody was like slagging on the laptop garbage. You haven't updated the macbook air, your most popular device in half a decade. Do something. And then like, oh, we we probably should. And then but they only really did IT when they actually had .

a couple of their own process.

which is and silicon, that's the thing. I think I am my problem, as i'm discovering in the middle of this conversion, is that my problem is not with the devices because everyone who buys them, the millions of people who who give apple, whatever, it's three trillion dollar market, whatever now are very happy with them because they're very good product. And any time they tried something that I would like, like, you know, for example, I thought .

touch was a fun idea. I fun.

but but IT creators and it's not supported. And when we got this developing, but there are no options more for these types of products like your phone has to look like that. I'm pointing at the phone.

your phone has to look like that.

And even if you go crazy and you make something that I really appreciate, like a falda, which is one of the big reasons I still use android fund, because fortunes change the way great they started to unfold into vegal, something the vegan research of of that rectangle. And a laptop, oh my god, we just saw know processors introduced in, like I don't know, seventeen new laptops from a bunch of new new companies. And they all look like the existing until power laptops that they ve been looking forever.

they. I I think microsoft and H P were like the only .

companies that actually that's not new. Yes, like you can go with aces, god blessing. They make these crazy, weird laptops, these photo able screen that.

And honestly, those do. They're not just, they're not gimmie like they they change the way you computer. In some cases, they are very, very useful. But no one wanted to take a, no one wanted to take the affordable of all that space freed up by this are my best trip. And like the reduction of fans has has everything.

Now they just wants to be very conservative because same reason that phone makers only make White and black phones in quantities s that all people buy. We make clicks in a very fetching yellow color, and that's thirty percent of them or something like that because those people want White, black me right now. And I get IT, but I don't like IT. I would encourage people to remember that fun can be a reason to consider a piece of technology. When did we decide that fun that is not a priority in our in our black .

buying when we decided selling more products mattered more than .

selling cool products .

and shah lda supremacy.

I agree with business, but as consumers I did, we just go like and be lame, feel like you. I .

think I. Think that is you don't say this in a bad way. You're right. Like I understand what you feel that way, but it's their job to sell. This is their job to make these things in action.

Laptops are really like .

you've got the screen where your keyboard is, and then you have another screen, make a, have a go at IT. Do a proper national campaign, makes some weird choices for, because that's not a mass device. But guess what? There are cool things you can do with that. Many people use two screens, do a big enterprise push, do a big business push.

When I see the A, I, I P, A, that should be the double screen one that's and what's weird is, like dell, for example, that company was dog share for a long time, and now then pretty good because they want why if we make good, good computers, yeah use our computers. We see, doctor, what if they were good now? And it's just and I think it's this disconnection of the company from the product on both their business and just a culture level like the people building things like it's so weird to mean that matter made the ray bands because all of the people who run facebook now.

So mark ocbc, hava alvan co. You've got boz. The ultimate growth that all costs as whole, every terrorist attacks are just viable for growth, literally.

He said that, yes, really grim thing. Alex shell, former goth, all these are growth people. I'm shocked that there's anyone building anything in facebook other than the torment nexus and this plugins.

So this, because mark said, built, you have to build me a hardware because nobody wants, nobody, like everybody hates us, because were terrible at software. You've gotta go build me some cool hardware so I can get as far away from the phones.

This I love on me because you said he could build, build me a hardware, but I could magine just like his cold that is looking, assume .

that is me slams.

Honestly, I think if they grow up HTC charger.

I would prety. Well, red H T R.

I was a physical cordy keyboard and android phone with a facebook button on IT that would .

let you directly share facebook.

Could be the new minimalist phone for the .

facebook friend later.

IT could be the boomer phone. Oh god, one is a great coal has .

one just giant number ers around.

They buy like a private quality firm.

So not for long. Yeah, I like that .

will be sold to a cue company or so I A.

I will buy next IT. Great things.

What's funny? Yes, with the girl stuff. So some of you may know I make excelling barbecue at home. I do. Smokers I admire are going a little bit travel to see.

Yes, last time is there because I wonder of these people start asked them grilling questions, not like being. And I like, so does this help with the cooking? yeah. Well, you see, you go on the APP. You can see recipe, sure, but the device was a but you can connect IT on wife among excEllent then. 嗯 啊， and that's because you can't really innovate that anymore other than the combustion, the omelet, which is incredible, made by a guy I made a video a few years ago called the van is a liar and is got eight i've not connective with this is just excEllent. I to has eight cents, so you can find the coldest point.

Your food.

like all my hate, the .

various tractors .

saying I don't like anything excEllent is so good. I finally got my beef ribs down with you. But that's the thing. That ones, a great example of solving an actual problem.

The most people they use the the moments they don't know where to put in and they don't know if they're in the right place that I personally and deeply anxious person, so constant anxiety that which is great for a twelve. Our cook with this IT works and IT works really well and it's not a bunch of bullshit costs like a hundred and six nine box. So it's not cheap, but IT solves a problem.

yes. Now it's like you would think with all of this money in A I or A R or all these things, they solve a problem. We've had very similar problems for .

like ten years. I think part of IT is a lot of these people do not. They think they are solving a problem, right?

Like, I think everybody in this room is probably good. We're good writers, right? Like part of how we make our living renewed doing a video, you yeah you write the script like we're good writers, right?

Like this is a skill we have and we can do if somebody sends us a horrible text passage, we will grow because we don't want to answer IT emotionally will still respond. We will respond. The hell out of IT will be real written, well written.

But these people don't value that because they think that's just that's a thing they can serve out with A R right like that. That is the thing for him. And I run into this like I was talking to women in the other day who gave me the first legitimately good use for large english models. SHE had a really bad blind date. And the guy sent her like a long, long email. And she's like read the email for me because i'm not gonna read because I don't want to go to date with a guy then respond to IT like politely say saying, no, I don't want to see you again and I was like, you figured that out that because, like if you did that to me in at work I would be furious blind day yes, go.

That's know that that you're right and that is the more specifically than the only good example for IT. Like yeah, it's the only good version of .

that demo that every company .

insists on thinking attack my and tell her or that i'm going to be live for dinner make me sound .

more sad about IT no apology. Why stop IT?

I ve just like more effort to do uli. And how do you even know what good is? You can't, right?

yes.

And though I must also say just doesn't know there are people out there who have like coffee disorders, learning eal for the amy's people, those are not when I say you should be up to right email, just to be really clear, not the people in you have an individualized problem. And I also must be clear, none of the A I companies gave a rap fuck about you. They do not care that you are not the person.

They are accepted.

They are selling to someone who does not exist that they made up, right? Yeah, that is who IT is because the real stuff is crazy. And then the, oh, I have these five ingredients in my kitchen.

That's my favorite one.

Something like ever happened to someone .

you just only have. I mean.

you can't work out what you look, at least you ve got. I've gone onion, one piece of ham, three knives of human ChatGPT. Like, what is the situation where you can't look at and go, all right, fine, I ll make a sandwich like .

you because you you imagine what what they imagine what they're doing this is themselves. They're just like looking in the mirror and they're really like, okay, put on my little paddock .

in your that I put on clothes.

put on my little blue truth. I haven't looked at my spells in three weeks. I've gonna have my assistant texin.

ohh. My assistant got laid off. Okay, I really wish I had an AI assistant who could text them so that they don't leave me .

because they probably, yeah.

I would be expensive. They will take all of my life.

but I don't care.

And like, I mean, that is a gross service exaggeration. Many of you in the yeah there .

plenty .

people who have lovely relationships there, but that is the thing they are very cynically going after this one group who to your point earlier, they are not talking to real people. They're not going out to like I can middle of nowhere rule nebraska. Like what do you think of this? Because it'll be like, can IT connect to the internet? Yeah IT needs the internet to do everything cool. I can't use IT at all because I don't have internet.

I wonder I know I have a real question here. And like is that, that so many problems have already been solved, that it's harder to find new ones like or that the new ones, we find our two nation to narrow. And two, because you can dedicate google resources to .

solving fixie problem is I would love to just say fix my schedule for the week, right? That should be .

easy and has been lying about this. I'm calling you out motion. You all right, you mother focus.

I see you on instagram every god damn day. I've i've supercharged my eighty h day with motion. fuckyou.

It's not how IT works. You a bunches cump. I'm so sorry. That's a little much you like I loaded you, you got down product and it's like a really interest schedule might go and I just IT like tries to like suggest they do something once like that does not work.

What the fuck? And I just don't trust any IT doesn't do IT and I cannot find any real i'm sure they exist. But that's the thing is that is the problem to be solved. But I also think you're right in the there are no big problems, right? If no more lands to conquer, tens of thousands .

of little problems and little nation like issues, and certainly stuff that I run into every day, that shouldn't be a problem. Google home is what, you know, over a decade old. And are those things are just absolutely to trash.

But like, these are little things that one light in my room doesn't go out with the rest of like no one. Those are trouble shooting bug fixes like we we're not doing this whole maps thing. Again, we're we're not saying like hey, how hard to get around the city. You know you got to print out map quest directions like we drove down every road on the planet and now you have go maps like, I feel like those big, ambitious problems just don't don't obviously present themselves.

We do need to go back to decided that there are no more land to conquer is the thing i've talked about before. The there are no more big problems. And I think we've finally maybe this the first time in history was really being made to reckon with the fact of how these companies make money because IT consumers are perhaps dealing with a death by a thousand cuts.

Right now, it's the ten thousand million little problems we face, which are usually A R R. A result of technical death, is just things built on top of things. People i've talked to inside google have said this, that they just build shit on top of other share.

Google home, one of the most evil apps of all time, invented by the devil to separate from. But that is a result of them being like, okay, we bought nest tony for dell. Yeah, genius, genius guy.

With they got these, amazing. They revolutionize the smart. I am not sure of any view.

Remember when the next came in? That was a huge deal. You had the shitty honeywell thing, and next actually work in that.

Work did exactly what you want. IT looks cool, but IT also the very satisfying. And yes, what IT worked, IT actually worked, and they went, wow.

So we just bought this, and they've got these cameras and they've got these thermostat, and they work really well in the software, pretty reliable, people like that. But we also have another APP. The people hate.

What if we added the same people liked to the thing people hate? Then they will love IT instead. I don't know what I actually describing, which is someone from google absorb nest and then said, you are run, Steve.

Now, don't know if or her, I was Steve, but you are run by this department and will build on top of IT, will connect all the bits of nest into this APP because we must have everything in one place when you're not really solving problems other than company apps and making a feature work rather than a sweet of things work. This is the result, and I think we're finally reaching a point where just there's not enough exciting stuff hide from the fact that most computing experiences are cluttered and bad. That's where many.

many times of the day that's where the fixes, right, like google, I think we can all agree, is not do and great as far as like search goes, right, like you go and you search something on google. IT is so much worse. Now I am using cognitive paid one at the moment.

Good is what it's like.

It's interesting. I'm still trying IT out, but IT doesn't feel measuredly worse, which is not great for google. And and and that is something that could be solved and that would be a huge but right? Like like IT is hard to fine things. These companies have all decided that they are going to solve IT by just taking all of the content.

And then maybe or maybe not accurately, you will be able to use search to find your U. P, S. Tracking number.

And I will tell you when you get tell you and then when you're trying to do return a lot, actually generate that, that could happen. yes. You know, when I just .

moved here with you, there's a lot. There are these useful things there, nowhere close, ready. And then they go and they promise them way too early. And then like A I is getting poisoned. There are so much really interesting .

things that can have there .

has been for a little very long time and and instead, they're like, what if we just make a bunch of money by pushing lying bots out into the world and that won't back fire in any way? Shape performing is like, no, it's already backfire and it's just going to get worse. Like google, you shot yourself in the foot.

Microsoft with being, you shot yourself in the foot because you're like, what if we released these lying machines at the same time? We have our garbage search and I can see the lives and and IT will be fine. No, you've just made the web like almost impossible to navigate.

And that one is very much like IT was a way to sell cloud computer space. IT was a way to promise, yeah, the eternal growth machine could keep growing. But also like search, i've done the episode, is that a whole thing IT just feels like they are not building things for people really.

If I worked on google search and I saw them launched now, I probably wouldn't wait if I had a mortgage. But I I would take my linked in off line. I wouldn't anna be associated .

with that.

I feel feel like, yeah, i'd to face the light va, but it's just someone like in a, in the same society sound up shy would have been fired. But immediately, oh, this is sent off. Proper aga regardant would have been sent off. These people would have been fired, not just for but they're already not been fired for making surge bad, but for publicly breaking the probably the biggest contribution tech has made ever, like at least in software.

And instead, it's like a little hick up and they are like to worry, A I is onna fix this out?

Just A I is going to fix the A I.

Well, you know, that's the other part of IT. They're like, A I will fix IT because A I just needs to learn more stuff. And if IT learns more stuff, i'll do that.

okay. But didn't you just there was just I think that the atlantic road, a really great story about how they run out of stuff C I. on. And so they're like, what if we just make more machines that make a content for my eyes and then a content data?

If you go back to the P, K episode, this big problem, the synthetic data. And by the way, did you know that that will break them?

Yeah, it's going to be great.

Have sport gay? I is what Jason sadoski calls IT one of the funniest terms ever. But it's so funny as well because there are so many there are so many things to fix and just using the phone is kind of a ball like, yeah it's it's me like you have this click y keyboard company yeah i'm surprised that that didn't come out like one of the weird like not quite works for apple, but seems to get all their revenue for the apple store companies like these these ones that just kind bubbled up and hung around in a good way like it's just solving .

a very specific for a very there are plenty people .

don't like C O A click y keyboard. People like keyboards like that's a thing that you can connect to a person .

who does value. I kim cardigan, right? That famous ly a thing. He .

loved. One of the first things I learned about being on the side of the business, i'm not allowed to talk about the customers. I've not given me the permission to talk about them. But you.

Henry is clutching, is click as the last words. What I like the device. I IT sucks as well and game back saying saying earlier as well, I .

wanna be .

excited about this.

I genuinely believe and I know the OLED was the second one. I know that's not what i'm talking about whenever they do the next steam deck, i'm so excited for that. Be cool.

I love the scene. Ck, I think it's one of the coolest things i've ever used. IT IT is like a really great PC gaming on so PC gaming consoles.

They have tried them a few times. They never quite work. But this works is a bit too big.

Parking player isn't great.

But yeah, it's worry about it's cool, right? And it's customizable way that you don't generally get with products nowaday. And it's just it's fun to use like that's that's what I got like I got into the ino. I got into these weird like steam deck replacements because there's a place where my, oh, somebody s happened yeah.

I kind of immune from this from this thing because, like, you can go well back in the intended switch. And I still love my my switch. And a razer kicks out a new gaming accessory, every city. Yes, you got this crazy, ridiculous web cand that, like most people don't need, but streamers love, are there are of added to gaming.

I feel if I were, was one begin with a completely blank. They do. The lights were.

l .

got to.

I got, yes, they make really good love. Producer there have got to. They .

make production are .

still.

but also little professionals. But there is specialized gear. It's not really a git. The just the line we are.

Then there is something exciting happening where the Normalization of photography rate large is pretty magnificent. The photo I can take on my iphone portrait mode are not my D. S.

After three, I got a kind of five D. S. A lot photography. Nice glass two.

And yeah, when I take them out and I get the right light lighting, i've i've make sure do the settings right. You feel like, you know, it's great. Ninety eight percent.

The other time though, my phones in my pocket and I can get a really good photo and it's easy. I can upload IT somewhere. It's easy to share with a friend.

Could they were a little editing? I can make a podcast at home in oajaca in less figures. I can have a edited. There are actual things that happened are so good in tech. And they see these things that like, shit, alright, what problems to humans have not like I don't, I don't know, I and they go to their assistance and what problems do you have?

And they start to like a and it's just it's frustrated because if the tech industry would realize this was happening, that you have a lot of good stuff to do, the Normalization of whatever professional things are. You can record a podcast that sounds really good from home now in a way that you couldn't for years. A .

absolutely. yeah. Also, I think like some of this is just, you know if you want to call IT like i've victim this crime is not the word is like this.

This was inevitable, right? When stuff got this good and when you ve got able to do those things that you just talk about on your phone production studios in your pocket, like IT, we had to get here. We there, there is no longer any reason for motorola to make a phone that with double action .

hinges and figured that out. And the same thing happened in hollywood, right? Like they were like, oh, super here.

Or movies make money, what if we only does? And that was really cool for me, a super here and nerd for two days. Ah and really .

good example .

they saw that superheroes did well. What they didn't realize was the movies were and the actors were good in the rows. Iron man didn't do well because people love the concept of tony stock is because Robert dany junior.

I knew who tony stark was, never came out.

Um I don't know. God s the glaxo was good, not because of guardians of the galaxy, but because the actors are very good. As I excEllence tomorrow, I forget a place p equal. But the guy from the office there's going to be someone is so was .

an incredible the guy from the office.

I am like a huge gun, the galaxy, a bunch of come work from IT. But and that's why, yes, they go. I have the guy from that .

that show person .

traced William, treat William sorry. So the thing is, they see that and then they spill out all these shit ones. They are like, what what do you like about IT? There's all three hours long. That's more superhero. You fucking in grades .

and you just take your slop. And I guess .

that maybe we are in take slop era.

We are in slop era.

We're actually in text slop era. That's the title .

this lucky.

Well, what point is a great? But IT is we're .

in this moment where it's like we they are more focused on their bottom. They're more focused on on pleasing people who don't care about the technology, then actually making good technology. And there there's a lot of good examples where that's not the case. We've talked about a lot of those here, but a lot of IT is just garbage.

And so for me, that's why I go and I mess with these steam deck competitors and eating devices because that's the areas where IT feels like either is the slop like right now until panos a something about the kindle garbage device, I do not want one of my house. Sorry to everyone at amazon fix IT, but but these other on ecs books is making like really, really cool, interesting stuff here. It's not great yet, but they're trying.

And every time like we write, I write a review, then the next thing comes out that changes little. And i'm like IT k then I feel very powerful and then I just want to like write a hole like here's what I want actually from IT and then I worried that I got too close. I got to end to IT.

It's funny though that you afraid .

to write that just fix IT yeah .

because that you're afraid the company would be mad when the company 是 no。

Then i'm now i'm more afraid like i'm doing labor and not getting paid for. I mean, i'm getting .

paid for but like the unpaid consulting check yeah was .

my consulting check.

Now I wonder about the taxi. That's what i've been thinking about kind of weird for the past few minutes, is just like there is still obviously really good reporting out there. There is really good, good reviews out there.

There are still people calling companies to account for, for the the stuff we've been talking about two hours. But I do wonder how much disruption is actually being introduced by the this kind of like rise of of influence key that kind like those clouds, the hole, and nobody can tell the difference i've found. I started to find fifteen years, twelve years ago that people could not tell the difference between sponsor .

content and .

even you think even when you leading .

quite grasp yeah because well, like i've tweet and someone replies asking a question that i've answered in the tweet. Nobody it's an attention span problem. I don't I don't know we can spend another two hours talking about the changes that would need to happen in the media world to actually kind of make IT close to good. But I don't know that I would make a difference ah it's on people's willingness to actually listen, our ability to listen .

yeah it's while how many times will put a review up and you know the world we do not accept people. We send them back after we we review them where we got very strict policy .

used to we would even need .

food and and now I know and now is like get people being like, oh, you just pod kon for apple and I like rude more. I mainly just offended more than just annoyed because i'm just like but it's there is this assumption that everyone has paid to play and and and you see that even with P, R, you get a lot of these Younger P, R people being like, hey, how much can pay .

to product and .

it's it's shockingly .

common markets .

running. Know a really great review on M K B H, D. And then we have two weeks of discourse because somebody on twitter with a large audience said, I know I just don't think it's right that a youtube or can kila can kill ler company know with this this thoughtless headline and like, no, that's a review of a product that didn't do what was going to do that how this works.

Yeah I think that there is a problem yeah within the media that there is a fear that if you step outside lines in gaming, for good reason, I was in there before all of that horrible happened. Those people, you are actually especially so much worse for women, but in gadgets as a fear of losing access. But I also think no one wants to say anything that's particularly different because I don't know what if they're wrong.

And the answer is you've been wrong plenty of fucking times. Why stop? Not like no one wants to make the step and say this sucks.

I mentioned dave and he .

he did this thing about the about the rabbit, about the pin. And he was just saying what these companies doing, like what is this? I'd looked around really no one said that there was a thing in blue by being like, so why is IT so good?

You're doing this IT was months before IT came out. It's just completely insane. And I understand that when you see the world, everyone saying A, I, everyone saying is going to be big.

Everyone is saying the same thing, it's scary to step out, but also my keys album, I have you no shame, but I really is like, do not want to just say what you see. Believe this. I actually am fine with that. Please explain yourself because in the case of the rabbit, the case of humane, I know the arguments are, is just for affluent people, whatever, a lot of money IT still. Who knows whether someone didn't actually save for .

the redit .

or save of people? Two, two boxes grow you. If you think two hundred box isn't a lot, if that is your response to something as a justification for being shit.

that's on yeah I always said that wasn't an excuse and especially since he was being like compared directly to the to their human and I like about yeah costless .

but still didn't do what I said I was going yeah .

yes yeah did even much less .

yeah and it's are you put on an android phone on that now?

I need a video. Didn't it's just .

frustrating. That guy was like, he killed the product. Now they killed the product more just said what was in front of him?

Hey, friend shi smith, who would reveal laptops. And sometimes you would give them a Better score. And the company, he would call me like, why did you give about stories? you. Made a bad product, make a good product and give you a good score. Is that easy?

Just talking about fair just like not like I will tell you why and I will take you through the process. And oh, i've just narrated my whole video of you again.

And if I like IT, I want to lose my year over this album themes about how much I like IT. But I like something I love IT. I get into the gods I use for hours I really enjoy, and I wanna do that a game would take like I actually really miss you.

And I think people what people don't get is that that actually um that makes IT easier. I going to run a review that's that's good. Yeah it's greet. I get to keep out the product. The product people are happy which like I doesn't take what air and like everyone else is just like h yeah I was geek out about this too and glad it's not to fire yeah it's much more of a household to do .

a bad review. A bad review. I mean, the verge three that were like lower than average and people not really what because we give the rabba really low score because we give you like a three year four.

We give IT a three because the humane pin got a four because IT did slightly more, and then the vision prove out to seven and we all joke now and say published went to six. But but even then I was pretty like like the the vision pro actually still did the thing, right? IT was really expensive, right? Yes.

but seven should be outside. I'm just going say .

seven should be retired, yeah but no, it's very uncommon in in our space. And a lot of times, if you are using the garbage products, you don't want to talk about them and and then you're using the mediocre products and you .

how do I make that sounds? Oh, god.

now we just, no, we're just every time. No, no, no. Have a great time.

No, no, no, I am. That's why you're here. And so IT, it's funny.

I've been asked recently to do more review stuff. But that's the thing. It's like, what if I hate IT man.

you just say you hate .

that I would be the most epic, Better review .

and and I can do no, but I can absolutely rip something up. But also do I want to like if like something that I truly despise? Fine, absolutely the the injustice inside me, but it's like something that's just kind of a shit like a six of ten review. That sounds hard.

I mean, I definitely when I first I I went from from one place that had a very kind of strict um tone and then I went to a place with the much looser tone, which was gizmodo cr, that at that point on ed by goche and I started there and I was ready to go and I got a product in.

And I think, I mean, I gave IT a really bad review and I was made like just I was like I was not very good and I was like, i'm gonna dig in and I was the mean thing i've ever written my life. I even think about IT now. And I prince a little.

This is so mean, but I was also so fun, right? And you you ve get older and you learn your temper things. And so you're like, well, maybe I don't need to compare IT to like a baby dropped on its tender target like maybe that is not appropriate.

So we are approaching the end now. yes. So for both of you or is actually something you really, really, really love in tech that you go everyone on ready? You wants positive first. You mean .

like like get .

get really.

really ve I have a question IT. Like I currently available .

one or one I .

will get, i'll blend them to. I'll give you where where I think a company really got something right and I didn't do very well. Motorola, as you know, revived the razor for two and nineteen.

IT brought back the razor as a photo able and one that was IT was pretty cool, but that some stuff on with. Then the next year they brought out the razor. Twenty, twenty.

And I tell you, for somebody who is terminally easton c, this thing maintained the industrial design of one of the most famous phones of all time, and concealed within IT. A A really quite good android phone with a bad camera because is member model? no.

And IT was very fragile, whatever. But IT was beautiful. I still I A very few gadgets that I don't just thrown a draw or return or whatever. This one I didn't have.

The heart ted sits there on my shelf in the baskets out of focus most of body and it's a masterpiece yeah and I love IT when a company just absolutely nails IT. And I hate you when I either doesn't have the um ability to market IT enough or IT just doesn't capture the post aginst. I don't think I did very well, but I loved that s so the rather five was the coolest one of the coolest .

things that the call um yeah I think me right now it's arc that the browser I recently switched to IT, I want shut up about IT anywhere I go so you guys have to listen IT to um you're starting about your tabs earlier. I'm also a tab monster and IT IT just works IT Better like a stuff me so IT does the job. I waited like two years to use IT and now it's A I features that I think you're kind of stupid, but ignore the AI features and you just focus on the core product and the rules. And he just came out the ipad version came out the week, were recording this.

I've heard that I had a lot of people is one .

of those things really do have to take a minute. You it's not something immediately like, I get IT, you've got to sit with that. The second, because first time I looked at, I was like.

this is stupid and immediately I still, all right, where can people find you, Michael?

People can find me at capt. In two phones mostly on thread that's capt. In the number two phones, most still on X I no choice and instagram and I make your youtube videos at the first mobile .

um and you can find me at h alex h cranes I think on threads and twitter exist but I don't check IT very often it's also alex h cranes and then I met the verge I I write and added at the verge i'm on the verge cast every friday and sometimes on tuesday .

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