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Why The Costco Guys And Hawk Tuah Took Over The Internet — With Ryan Broderick

2025/1/8
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Alex Kantrowitz
一位专注于技术行业的记者和播客主持人,通过深入采访和分析影响着公众对技术趋势的理解。
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Ranjan Roy
一位在 Margins 工作的科技新闻评论员和 podcast 主持人。
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Ryan Broderick
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Ryan Broderick: 我认为互联网文化在2010年前后经历了巨大的转变。过去,互联网上存在着某种程度的‘数字单一文化’,例如Gangnam Style等现象级内容,几乎每个人都能看到。但现在,由于TikTok等平台的个性化内容推荐机制,每个人的信息流都截然不同,这打破了以往的数字单一文化。2020年疫情期间,大量此前未活跃于网络的人涌入互联网,进一步加剧了这种转变。现在,‘普通大众’的日常行为和内容也能迅速走红,例如Hawk Tuah和Costco Guys等现象。这与过去依靠线上活跃用户和内容聚合平台的病毒式传播模式截然不同。现在,普通用户可以直接通过算法推荐参与其中,这催生了‘Z互联网’的兴起。 一些小众的网络亚文化群体正在向Blue Sky等平台迁移,以寻求更私密的交流空间。Blue Sky平台的快速增长也表明,小众平台仍有发展潜力。许多网络社区已转移到Discord等私密平台,其内容只有在meme突破圈层时才会被大众看到。Blue Sky平台的产品特性和发展势头使其有潜力达到1亿用户规模,其关注者模式与其他平台的算法推荐模式形成对比,可能成为其持久发展的优势。尽管目前存在众多类似的社交媒体平台,但这种竞争最终可能会得到清理,最终留下一些主要平台。社交媒体平台的竞争对用户来说是件好事,因为这意味着更多内容和选择。Blue Sky平台更注重用户之间的实际互动和网络关系,这与其他大型平台形成了差异。目前Blue Sky平台是‘For You’互联网的一种反制力量。 在‘Z互联网’上走红的视频内容,通常与大众熟知的传统媒体内容(如广播节目、搞笑视频)类似。对于那些将网络爆红转化为商业模式的个人和家庭来说,需要关注其收入、工作时间和儿童权益等问题。一些公司已经开始尝试将网络爆红转化为可持续的媒体业务。网络色情明星和性工作者更容易将网络爆红转化为直接的经济收益。网络病毒式传播内容是否重要,这取决于其本身,而不是人们是否关心它。网络病毒式传播内容往往反映了社会的集体潜意识。OnlyFans平台规模庞大,盈利能力极强。由于付费内容的增多,免费网络内容的质量和创意性正在下降。免费网络内容往往只是付费内容的引流工具。 Alex Kantrowitz: 由于大量有趣的内容出现在私密群聊和Discord等平台,社交媒体平台的吸引力可能正在下降。BuzzFeed出售Hot Ones节目,反映了传统数字媒体公司难以适应互联网新形势的现状。2010年代的数字媒体公司缺乏运营2020年代互联网内容的能力。2010年代的数字媒体公司在运营模式上存在缺陷,无法有效利用互联网内容的传播方式。社交媒体平台算法的改变导致BuzzFeed等依赖内容分发的公司失去了其核心价值。社交媒体平台为了避免单一内容过度传播,改变了内容推荐机制。制作简单的互联网视频内容不需要庞大的公司架构和资金投入。依靠病毒式流量来维持公司运营已经变得不可持续。网络文化战争的热度正在下降,部分年轻人开始转向关注阶级斗争。网络文化战争的衰落与年轻人对社会问题的关注转变有关。网络文化战争的模式正在发生变化,新的目标和焦点可能会出现。共和党在选举中的胜利可能导致了网络文化战争热度的下降。算法推荐机制需要不断更新的内容,这导致了网络文化战争等老生常谈的主题逐渐失去吸引力。Jonah Peretti的硕士论文预言了身份认同在算法社交平台上的重要性,但这一预言在当前已经不再适用。身份认同在网络上的作用正在减弱,新的社会联系方式可能会出现。疫情期间的封锁导致更多人开始积极参与互联网活动,从而改变了互联网的整体面貌。疫情期间,人们对互联网的积极参与改变了他们的行为习惯和思维方式。当前互联网正处于一个重要的转折点,新的发展趋势尚不明朗。 Ranjan Roy: 当前互联网正处于一个重要的转折点,新的发展趋势尚不明朗。

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Why has the internet shifted towards viral normie culture like Hawk Tuah and the Costco Guys?

The shift towards viral normie culture is largely due to the pandemic, which brought everyone online, including people who weren't previously active on the internet. Platforms like TikTok now use hyper-personalized algorithms to show content tailored to individual users, making it easier for normal, relatable content to go viral. This contrasts with the pre-2020 internet, where virality was often driven by niche, super-online communities.

What role did the pandemic play in changing internet culture?

The pandemic accelerated the integration of the internet into everyday life, breaking down barriers between subcultural and mainstream spaces. With lockdowns in place, people who weren't previously active online began engaging deeply with social media, leading to the rise of relatable, normie content. This shift made the internet a central part of culture, rather than a subcultural space.

How does TikTok's algorithm contribute to the rise of normie internet culture?

TikTok's algorithm identifies user preferences and surfaces content that aligns with their interests, even if those interests are basic or mainstream. This means that normal, relatable content, such as jokes about Costco or blowjobs, can go viral without needing to pass through niche online communities. The algorithm effectively bypasses traditional gatekeepers, making it easier for normie content to dominate.

What is the significance of BlueSky in the current internet landscape?

BlueSky is emerging as a reaction to the algorithmic 'For You' model dominating platforms like TikTok. It focuses on a follower-based model, allowing users to engage in more meaningful, community-driven interactions. With over 25 million users and growing, BlueSky is seen as a potential haven for niche subcultures and a return to the older, more personal social media experience.

Why are platforms like BuzzFeed struggling to adapt to the current internet culture?

BuzzFeed and similar platforms were built on a model of surfacing viral content for users to share, but social media algorithms have become so effective at this that BuzzFeed's core purpose is no longer necessary. Additionally, these companies are burdened with high overhead costs and outdated structures, making it difficult to compete with nimble, creator-driven content on platforms like YouTube and TikTok.

How has OnlyFans impacted the nature of viral content?

OnlyFans has changed the nature of viral content by incentivizing creators to focus on provocative, attention-grabbing material that drives users to pay for exclusive content. This has led to a trend of lazier, sillier, and more provocative public content, as creators use it as a lead generation tool for their paid offerings. OnlyFans has also become a significant platform, with 1.4 million American women using it as creators and the company generating $1.3 billion in revenue.

What is the future of social media relevance given the rise of group chats and Discord?

Social media may become less relevant as more meaningful interactions shift to private spaces like group chats and Discord. These platforms allow for deeper, more niche conversations that aren't visible to the broader public. As social media feeds become saturated with algorithmic content, users are increasingly turning to these private spaces for more authentic engagement.

Why is the culture war losing its appeal among online audiences?

The culture war is losing its appeal because it has become repetitive and uninteresting to younger audiences. After years of focusing on identity-based conflicts, many are shifting their attention to class-based issues, as seen in the reaction to the UnitedHealthcare shooter. This reflects a broader trend of audiences seeking new, more meaningful ways to engage with politics and society online.

How has the internet's shift to algorithmic feeds affected content creation?

The shift to algorithmic feeds has made content creation more focused on generating engagement quickly, often at the expense of depth or quality. Creators now prioritize content that aligns with the preferences of the algorithm, leading to a proliferation of relatable, normie content. This has also made it harder for niche or subcultural content to gain visibility unless it breaks containment from private spaces like Discord.

What is the significance of the UnitedHealthcare shooter in online political discourse?

The UnitedHealthcare shooter has become a focal point for a shift in online political discourse, with many young internet users expressing support for targeting corporate elites rather than engaging in traditional culture war topics. This reflects a growing disillusionment with identity-based conflicts and a desire for more class-conscious political engagement.

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The internet has fundamentally shifted since the pandemic. The rise of viral normie culture, exemplified by figures like Hawk Tuah and the Costco Guys, signals a move away from the traditional follow model towards algorithmic feeds. This shift has brought everyday people into the spotlight and blurred the lines between online and offline culture.
  • Shift from follow model to algorithmic feeds
  • Rise of viral normie culture (Hawk Tuah, Costco Guys)
  • Pandemic's impact on internet user base and content consumption

Shownotes Transcript

Ryan Broderick writes the Garbage Day newsletter and hosts the Panic World podcast. He joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss how the internet has fundamentally changed since the pandemic, in a special episode with Ranjan Roy and Alex Kantrowitz. Tune in to hear Broderick's insights about the rise of viral normie culture which includes Hawk Tuah and the Costco Guys, why sites like BuzzFeed are struggling to adapt, and how platforms are shifting from follow models to algorithmic feeds. We also cover shifting online political movements, the massive growth of OnlyFans, and why BlueSky might actually succeed where other Twitter alternatives failed. Hit play for a fascinating analysis of how internet culture is evolving and what it means for society.


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