The Case for Ozempic, Weed’s Risks, and Big Pharma Conspiracies | Mike Israetel
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Hi, cody sanchez and welcome to the big deal podcast. I wanted to be shreds while not working out very much and still eating like non sycophants OK not counting calories and living on a scale and eating chicken breast like its the last animal on the planet. So I looked around for who to talk to about that.

And arguably the biggest name on youtube in the internet right now is doctor mike israel. Tel, he is an exercise scientist, PHD historical, funny dude, bizarre reject, and also very hurry. But he is going to talk to us about the science of getting fit, healthy, getting skinny with a lot of things that are really going to surprise you from, uh, drugs that maybe we'll have a stance, uh, that you ve never heard before to what lies were we told about physical health and hotness.

And also he built a company, R. P. Strength, super interesting company, a multi, multi million person audience by truth talking. And despite his very large brain, which you'll agree that IT is large to him for the next hour, also with a sense of humor and a way for us to take ideas that maybe seem overwhelming, like health, fitness, making money, building businesses, what's happening in in the world, but in a very simple way.

So without further, do I get right into the conversation with mike? I think you guys, ya really GTA like this one. I learned a lot. Why are we so pappy states in america? What happened does.

when you see the corporations and the government, they're not enough. Lizard people, illuminati, five dimensional aliens, you see how they come from a totally sea makes that flows. Sy, yeah, that's IT.

That's that's what we're taught.

It's tough. It's complicated. The five d stuff for really threw us a whole loop. Um on a serious note, it's actually uh, we are learning nowadays that uh the increasing amount of obesity around the world now is probably down to just like mostly one thing which is curious.

And when I tell you this one thing you might have a similar reaction of any other people here they're like now yeah so here is over time, specifically after roughly the one thousand nine and fifties and moving up an exponentially increasing curve, what you could call the Price palatability of food has skyrocket. You can also use accessibility palatability, convenience palatability. What does that mean? Much of science terms, I don't know.

And that's all I had memorized. I really nervous and I um so basically, for how much IT costs, for how easy is to access, for how little time you need to spend working to get IT in both networks. For your job, to give you money, you go buy food and for like I have to make food or get food. Now how long is going to take me to get the food I want is IT gonna like I have to slave over hot trove for two hours going to be like, I just drive over to the what guys have here.

Austin is a grocery .

store today. Oh, they get well, go to the gas station to get you're dinner. My god, I knew was a low class podcast.

You all have my bottle seeing out like um so yet perfect example, bucky is the quantity. Al example, a driver of bucky is two minutes away. And for what functionality for the averaging communist states amounts to almost no money.

You can buy an ignorant ant amount of high calorie food that is the most convenient and the most tasty by a long shot that has ever been. So we are swiming an environment where incredibly convenient, incredibly cheap, incredibly easy to access, super wide variety. In seemly, amazingly tasting food is almost ubiquity available to all of us, are almost everyone and people really, I know the good, sound crazy people really love to eat super tasty food.

And most people care about the calorie density of that food and long term, what it's doing to their bodies only to some nominal amount. Like if someone's like, hey, like, what do you think about the ukraine, russia situation? And you know, like, what's terrible? Worst terrible. They like, what are you doing about that specifically? You like, my taxes, go to nato and nato make sure that rush doesn't in the else bad, maybe something like that.

So when you catch people at a thai restaurant or catch people grub having thai food on their phone after a long day of work, you not going to be like hailey with really pa saw some y're like it's delicious and you're like, but IT goes strake to hear and they're like gay out now for sure, but i'll do fitness or something. And IT turns out that the amount of calories you can pack on is that through tasty, super tasty food is like, but the amount of exercise and physical activity and resistance training, either you would have to do to a could burn that off. I mean, he is its really hard to do if you think about like a good of a donal's, get a regular meal, combat the meal, whatever would like a over a thousand color is a thousand and fifteen hundred calories for a minimum the amount of exercise extra per day or physical activity takes to burn twelve hundred and fifty calories.

I mean, we're talking about learning like a jogging for real, for real with your eighty's headband and your tunes, a walk man perhaps to make IT dated um hours like five hours over running. Nobody do that. And so basically human beings have a set of once.

And you know this from the business world. The supply demand is such a beautiful concept because that is still downtown. So much about what we do. Humans demand in the sense of have money and able and willing to pay for very super tasty food and super tasty food. You just kind of wanted eat that all the time, and everyone really has that pull a sum extent.

And so we can tell us, the biggest factor of who's getting super obese and who's not is probably just people's genetically determined, largely generally determined baseline hunger signal and food pleasure response. Do you have your friends that are lake you'll eat? Like, you'll go to sushi with them and like, oh god, i'm starving, you know, I gay sushi you get sushi.

They have like a role in a half and no, that's IT and you like to be here all day. They would have to get the police to kick me out like, I can drink the oil. The whole thing, some of us just like food a lot more than others.

And that is the primary caused not back of the one thousand twenties. Let's say you like food lot. What are you going to do about IT math? You're going to go to the micon dime store, get a kind of beans you don't like, just keep eating beans. So there is that concept of palatability here. Here's a thing.

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ve discount food corporations, anyone is food IT can be the local hipster mom and pop dinner retroactive in Austin all the way up to like pepsi co. They know that if they make their foods taste, and they know that if they make their foods taste on such a way that you just want to keep eating more like, that's what you want. That's what seems to make you happy.

They're just gone to do that. So back before a lot of processed foods are made and even processed just really well prepared foods, convenience foods nowadays you go to like uh costco or sound club and there's like that rotisserie already done. It's amazing like five dollars.

And I understand the python ics of that. How must be cross some studies or something. But um that is not even processed food is technically whole food, but it's so delicious and it's so convenient back at the two thousand thirty four days if you wanted to really gorge yourself on amazing fun foods.

But you have to have like an grandmother several in your home preparing food and you know, like all those videos about how food prep used to happen, our hours to make those on your amErica any kind of special dinner nowadays its minutes and in order, have a really, really good food. In the one thousand thirties you have living pretty large, poor people, middle income people. They had had a catsup system food that was um annoying to make, but if you wanted a convenient IT was just gonna taste really good.

Imagine taking a completely A N flavoured cut of not so great steak and some like just bucks weak, but you boiled and put that together and eat up. How much really is anyone to get to do people over eat that? The answer is some small fraction of people whose food drive genetically just outrageous, will actually over eat that which is why we still saw bested in the two twenties and thirties in america, very small fraction.

Now, as over time, the ease, convenience, cost per workfare that you put into your life and taste of food all go that way, uh, more and more people, regular food drive people, start to fall under the curve of, like, yeah, you're gonna a want to eat the stuff all the time, cheetos and stuff you ever have one shadow nobody does that you just want to keep having. And of course, you get full at some point, but at that point you've drained eight, eight hundred calories or something, you know, like a very well, and then a couple hours later, hungry again, you do the same thing. And so the insane availability and saying a very good way, by the way, of amazingly tasting food, food and people being just category ally, more wealthy and average, is the thing you can see this live occurring, that what happened to us in the seventies and eighties in mexico right now, I went to mexican vacation for the first time in like one thousand and eighty eight.

And like almost everyone was either thin or like Normal ish looking. And then I went back with my wife and some friends, like two years ago. And holy crap, there are are a lot of, very charitably, there are a lot of people in mexico.

There are enormous of america, enormous. Like how you guys from the taxis. And so how is this possible? Well, mexico income per capital is now similar to what the U.

S. Incumberd ital was in the thousand nine hundred and sixty is no longer accurate to call mexico a third word country or a poor country. Almost know in their sport, food and security is an incredibly unlikely thing in mexico.

And most people have enough disposable income to buy all the fun foods they want. Guess what people do when they have money, and they like to have fun foods. They buy fun foods and they eat at them. That really is the core of the obese.

Epic can also another reason why new medications like olympic to appetite at seta, majora all those things, why there are some of the only things to really take a big chunk out of obesity is because they take your whatever genetic food drive and palatability drive, you have how much you want to eat, and they lower IT based on how much of the drug you take. Now at some point you take enough drag. The side effects are so terribly you like.

This isn't worthy. But for many people, there is a point at which the side effects aren't terribly yet, but they just don't really wanted eat food as much as they used to, or they still do. But they turn into that girl from earlier.

They have three pieces of social that all I got, i'm so full, you like what? And so if there was some kind of muriel cause for obesity, how could these medications, which really predominate, work just by blowing your hunger levels and food drive? How could they possibly work, took A B aoh obese doing.

It's so interesting because, you know, these days, if you were to say to a lot of people, well, just eat less calories, they were black. Well it's also the sea oils and haven't you have heard that it's also, like you said, sort of this giant geometric blob of institutions that are incentivize to make you fat essentially um but when you explain that way, IT makes you so much simple so do you think that the will use the word of some picture because it's more narm ative. But do you think that, uh, oceanic is actually good for society and good for our obesity rates?

It's possible think it's a miracle drug. And I think because it's only technically it's a third generation G L P drug. But uh forth jen is tran's appetite. It's already on the market majora. Fewer side effects, bigger primary effect.

There are still jenn drugs currently in a fda approval process, which make OEM icc look like like a starter pack version of the and so we're just at the beginning of this crazy driver revolution where if you have a problem with your appetite and you're over eating very soon, there is going to be something you can take that probably doesn't cause you super crazy side effects and can get your eating back down to a level that is uh not which to causes to increase your obesity and more and probably reduce IT. However, like every single tool that capitalism provides for us, you can use tools in a variety of ways that they can be empowering or they can be less than empower ing, sometimes even like catches, for example. So if you want to be leaner and want to be healthier, drugs like othmi c are like just the the shield and sort of the thea, like only crapper.

The empowering because used to be like trying to get on a diet. Three weeks later, everything looks like a giant daddy juicy drumstick like your husband starts looking like one you can I you're like is like what like pants? I agree to snack pop tarts, everything, because that is hard.

Your body is designed over millions of years of evolution to be like where calories deficit probably means we're going to die soon. And ancestral times get to the fridge, everything start smelling good. You ananias ing about food.

But OEM c and all those George can require that process so that now you're like, oh, this is what it's like to die IT if you're just like you all everyone has that girlfriend there's like when I got back, i'm getting pudgie and you're like when you have any body fat and she's like three weeks later like you, what what did you do like I just like eight last need so IT turns us more into that girl that can just kind of do IT and it's just not a big deal anymore because what's called food noise or hunger noise not like you're great writing something in all I talcott I did mean, right talcott just starving to death. All I can think about is talk's that goes down from a gale to a quiet whisper or turn. Nothing at all.

That's enormous. On the other hand, you could do a thing where you take all the interactive because will call interactive drugs to reduce your a appetite. Take all those drugs in the world that you want and um have no desire or motive force to actually accomplish your fitness goal, and then they will absolutely lower your body away just because naturally starting less.

But there are not as in powering and then you're not going to get as much out of them. And you can continue to still be roughly as obese you've ever been a little less and still kill yourself with tons of really not good for you foods. One of my a colleagues doctor sponsor sky, he's a board certified obesity specialist. Um he recounted a story that he had um interactions with someone before where and hopefully I will no names involved so I think it's okay.

Banca will be killing me not um he was working with uh this person who was like um he had her unlike multiple interactive medications, obesity drugs like many not one and so like his assessment was that like SHE couldn't possibly experience food drive with this cocktail and her hero body weight was not going on and he was consulting her and trying to figure out what's going on but and he tell me what you've been needing and she's like, well, like I had a Candy bar earlier and is a call I see what are you hungry because I like when you're hungry um truly it's some a little hurt for us to judge you for just reaching for something like we're human for the love of god we've all falter before and so he was looking for that like o jesus so where you hungry he goes no and he's like, why did you eat the Candy bar SHE said I felt like eating a Candy bar if you're that person and no sense role different their own ways and they know medications come to save you because the medications are sword in the shield there's a hane over there and you got zou thinness shielding, sort you like that the hino dies, we just drop me go we it's gonna dle with you and hines are not going to cut so that medications now being our new best friend, empowering us to do things is amazing. But we can use them to empower ourselves or we can just uh use them. And storia continue to eat the same diet of chios and pepsi cola offends pepi, we think also like manufactured cheetos.

So if I not mistake and think through right um and then like if you don't want to take the little babies and step to help yourself, it's gonna be tough. But for those people who have been struggling with just genetically high propriety to eat and want to do the thing is just really hard for to do the thing. These medications are unbelievable.

They're also on the net baLance, healthier for you probably to take the not to take. They have incredible glue cose clearing anti benefits. They have really cool cognitive benefits or learning.

They actually lower your addictive drive to almost everything. People like quitting smoking, they're IT ting drinking on these drugs. And I they stop biting their nails and stuff. It's really trippy. And so because there's that um at a personal level, when you're really, really hung gry like after a body building a show or something that feels like wide eyes for stuff, you just want things to go inside you like you can even barely taste food anymore. You just like there's this gaping hole you have to fill fat, drug, quiet the crap out of that. Although seven, making healthy choices and actually sticking to them is this thing that you just have to be an organized country interest person to be able to do instead of being a person who is fighting like an unbelievably powerful temptation. Just tough.

That's fascinating. Do you think that I was reading a little bit about that? There are some early indicators that and you as an exercise scientist, and given this is your fuel that I am just playing around .

and at at a part time ever question my.

do you think do you worry at all about if we inhibit the reward sensors? Let's say, instead of our body to say, no, you, I don't want food, I don't want may be even sex. I don't know there's anything that shows that happens.

I won't have alcohol. Like, could IT could IT mess with our reward sensors over all? Will IT have any like suicide issues you worry about? IT in the same way I just common sense, I look at IT like assi ze or something we're like. We're like, you know, they should make us happier but because they dole these different things or then there's actually these third and forth order side effects that like we want to keep our eye out, does any part of that actually sense medicine or and what are we? Is that just like everything else, it's like good things in measure.

It's very good point. A couple of things. One is we are consistently engineering reengineering drugs to have Better main effects and fewer side effects.

To the point of S S, there's a new medication that just got approved in early twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three. A jeep. One is the not the trade name jeep on is the generic name. The trade name is exude E X X U A. I don't know who the hell comes up with drug names, but beautiful um IT has very similar, probably slightly elevated anti depressive functions compared to traditional ality depressants.

But it's a fact at the very least on food drive and on sex drive are not statistically differential from placido which means that now there is an anti depression pill that takes you out of major depressive disorder uh but at the same time doesn't really mess you up and seemingly very many ways that's not a je one drug that take gene or something. So as drugs of all um they're seeking to reduce the side effects some of that you describe and increase the main effect to the point where if you, let's say, have like a blood pressure drug that you take. Someone can legitimately ask you if you take a modern blood pressure medication there to the side, effective.

I don't think there are many or any. You look at the medical literature, like a few asked your side effects for some people, usually nothing you can even tell you on them. And so like, man, that is a well engineer drug.

So we're heading in that direction, however, were not there yet perfectly for most drugs. And so for exempt and all odds, there are downsides, for sure, for some. And he really comes down to this on a broad strokes level.

They work just super well for almost everyone. But almost everyone, lets see, is eighty five percent. And in the united states, population of roughly three hundred million, with this tens of millions of people who are going to have a bad time on and all the other drugs like IT.

And so yeah, we're doing great. But all those concerns, you bring up some people and that kind of sap sr, jv or whatever. And a IT seemingly IT doesn't do a ton of that. But on the margins, that can h especially very hydas, especially as IT mixes with your own internal IT can definitely do that. Um there are some risks of the various types of other things that can occur.

Obviously the the biggest problem of these drugs is that if you crank the dosage really high to get the main effect, the side effect come up with IT and those can be really well managed if you eat really well, um lower fat diet, decent amount of protein, plenty of vagues, not over eating, not eating a ton of super tasty foods, if you even can empower you to do that by me like this is great. But if you take a budget of olympic and then you get in to some pizza, you know that thing where lake your body doesn't really tell you it's fool until like twenty minutes into eating or something, there's a little vote to that. I do not just on a habit.

Some people can pipe down like nine slices of pizza before the bell rings like I got nine. The thing is, your stomach is digesting is such a slow rate when you're on olympic that you get so much pizza in the stomach at once. I can't kind makes an executive decision, and IT goes that this is a non starter.

I can't have robbing pizza. And then you'll get gastropods, which is like the station of digestion altogether. Sometimes IT goes up one way. Sometimes that goes the other way.

Sometimes IT says in there caused you massive pain everywhere and you go to a hospital at pumper stomach if you make really bad choices on this kind of drug, uh is kind of like there's like an anti smoking drug like cham tex or whatever. Heard that if you like smoke on that drug, you are going to have a real bad time. So you just don't do that.

But if you take a drug, you don't wana smoke. Some people will take the drug and think it's like a panache. They think like, oh, this is instead of responsible diving and exercise, it's not it's um add junk therapy to them and in that way IT works really, really well. But if you just like I just going at the same crab I always did, you might have a really bad time of them.

Well, I think it's really beautiful the way that you talk about IT, because so often we're so dismissive of drugs for people who are to say more Billy obese and a lot of people on podcasts. Ter, just like just get up at six A M called plant sa then do the workout, then nothing was see to oil. And we just kind of to minimize how hard IT is to go backwards from something.

I mean, i've seen IT with my family too. Incredibly difficult to go backwards. And if there is something that can help you in some way um and use use IT responsibly, I think it's it's reasonable for us to to appreciate that. You can tell you've talk to a lot of people because of your EQ with how you explain that.

I was to think we talk to know youtube.

You talk about a lot of people.

even it's just a camera approach. They never let me out code.

No, no, I think we killing IT. I but I like other thing I think that's kind of interesting about this is, let's say, the blood pressure medicine like my dad's been on IT forever. But the thing is, my dad is unlike, yeah, that seems to be very helpful for you. Also, you do nothing to actually help yourself with blood pressure like you think that cheese scripts are cheese, cribs are a food group.

You are some cheese rips on somebody else's pot. The way that is your part is the poet .

he's going to be passed to side with you. But but if we're like symptom covering this other terrible thing that we're doing with drugs, I don't think that's great. I've never heard about the food drive spoken in this way.

Yes, which is not doesn't seem to me like that would be a symptom. M of something wrong in the body. IT might just be genetic.

It's totally genetic. And IT also happens to be somewhere where the conspiracy theorists are sort of correct in a very low key way. There is a corporate conspiracy to try to make food as cheap and delicious and accessible to you as possible.

It's not a conspiracy, is just what people buy at the store. Um mcDonald's over the years is try to have a bunch of menu items that we're healthy and they usually just continue them after some amount of thia. And like look like you're very, very your careers to be super corporate savi and understand economics and things like that.

Business practices ah the modal s corporation. great. I love them, right. But to believe that the people in charge of mcDonald are any much more than using the pure mucky evelin drive to determine ally isn't sane. That gives a publicly traded company if you don't do our life.

Is the internal count there just in the the dog pop s stocks?

And so if you get a menu item that's super healthy, of them taste that great, even hate taste scrape, but super healthy, a little vibrating salad field IT really beats like one of the mcDonald's cheeseburger is just sliding dinor throws you look of, you have to chew this cream. I give him halos.

You give them another product if IT doesn't generate proper ally for its alternate menu position, right, every part of the menu, what they R I in its a stack record list. If something falls below, the behnam is out and something else to replaced and know all these things is not like science. If IT falls below that, like why do we sell this at all? It's gone.

And on the other hand, people like, see, they just want us to be fat. Corporations do not want to be fat. Not in the least.

There's no they they want to be rich. And how do they get rich? They give you what you tell them you want, not verbally with your dollars.

And so when they have if they have a salad at mcDonald, ever, that make sense on the numbers, like people love IT and they buy IT, you will seen mcDonalds transformed into a health food enterprise. They don't care. Can you imagine like syn danna, a donal's born, like health foods really pick IT up.

Our menu items and health category are crushing at our choices, how we supposed to make a amErica fata. They won't eat our junk food anymore. Foot in mine, we're selling only cheetos.

They're going down with the ship. If this never gonna en, we're going to sell you what people buy. Trouble is people don't seem to, as often, in many cases, be interested in buying the super healthy stuff.

That's a people problem. It's not a corporations problem. Um you mean corporations are a second order problem to that good.

So want them because people that call these big food companies, they really need me to take him a how do you do that? Are you going to stop selling tasty things people buy? why? So what do we propose to sell IT good stuff like we're going to go of business and good okay.

Would just shut down out. It's a total mm starter. So to those people that value personal responsibility, i'm huge on that. At the end of the day, it's up to the individual to decide, like, do I want to go to mcDonald and get a salad with girl chicken, or do I want to go to mcDonald and just have some soul food fries dipped in shake?

Know what I mean, the girl cheat me where there's like that even the protein source around, you know, colum colomb, which one do you want? At the end of the day, probably the best way to get some traction is to focus on the individual. Again, why are you choosing to eat the following food? Some people.

And here's the there is A A positive, super inclusive side to this. Part of that argument is everyone has a different food drive genetically of no idea what it's like to be in some else's body. You might think you have a lot of real power, but IT takes some people, navy seal Carrying boats overhead, willpower to resist eating junk food, because that's how.

And I do have an insight on this. I ve gotten down to a relatively low body percentage. And body building competition is the psychology of someone whose body thinks they are starving to death.

Seen from the inside is a totally different world. I'll watch movies where the characters will lead a dinner table. And there I can look super awesome.

I made spakest kind of loaf bread for everyone. Look, many bn, some broccoli. Like obviously he's covered.

And like some kind of thing that shines for the camera, do not supposed to eat IT or whatever. And the characters are talking to each other. And you're starving enough. You're what I start to think. And many of my friends have competed and body building a lost lot of fat.

You start to be like with, why aren't they eating? Why are they talking to each other? Because if I wasn't not seen that, when I go pause, i'll tell you what happened in school after this into your whole perception.

Just goes just food, food, food. There is a minnesota sunni starvation experiment back a really long time ago. Not ethical anymore.

But they took some folks, and they were in like a work camp situation, and they cut their calories by like a roughly half. And what they noticed is the degree of food obsession skyrockets. All all they thought about, talk about his food, started doing a trade with food in the cafeteria situation.

And I was just insane. And so if someone lives in that world permanently, I seen that, then they just got a tough and up like that might not be true. They might actually be tougher for the new there is a specific person I forget a mechanicals per I A named or I know their name.

I was watching like a microsoft um depending some other new AI products. Big stand up thing with a projector and a huge screen. And there was a person there who was super, super high level of microsoft on the end side too, like, and he was just like straight on more about the obese, not in a bad way, just to physically, literally. He was talking about tech stuff, and you know, all this A I stuff like that person smarter than all of us.

You don't just end up as the member three at microsoft, whatever end side, just by like being a wildness soleless person who whatever appears, this is a person who spent late night night who's grade is the best, that he was the best in every engineering improves, the best mathematician, the best code, the best every this is a willpower generator, and he still looks like that. Would he think his food noises, like you put anyone else in his body, they would be eight hundred pounds in a matter of months and will die, and they are sleep or something. So it's not always accurate to say that people who have let themselves go just have a low will power overall.

That's the light side. The dark side is that trade country antithesis, how much you plan ahead, how much you think about your health. And everything is very genetic gone, not entirely, maybe about half, and influences a ton of stuff about how you live your life, including what choices you make, how to address your hunger and food drive.

So a lot of people that are overweight, yeah, they really do make bad choices because you still care that much yeah. One of the things that always comes up in nutrition field is how do we improve nutritional education? What many times you've failed to ask is, who wants to know, like, you know, like you, like people?

Here's the thing. If you have done stays, you just talk to people as they interact down. You asked him like, is this healthy food? They're like, no, they know that you know what junk food is.

You you have someone to known nutritional education, a Green fresh apple and then a bag of and am you go which to one of those is healthier. They're like, I don't understand. This is a trick question, is not a trick question. Music the apple is correct. How do you know everyone kind of owes what's what at a very basic level, but a lot of people you tell them, like, do you know any people that smoke cigarettes and you're too Young for that sort of thing? Back in my day, we smoke cigarettes, but you just not cool enough and ask them cool, awesome people .

with the company.

they smoke the same. I just seen video this about these cool people cowboys, literally right in their horse into the bar. The horse is smoking to just models the horse as a cob y can't i'm looking more fascinated with the horse this point of me.

What's the horses in? But like a lot of people smoke cigarettes or like drink a lot, you know, it's killing you there. Yeah yeah.

But okay. So when a lot of times people have high degree of body fat, you know, you could be eating Better. What's on the many to ight you like? H, my god.

So there is a part of this as resection everyone, many, many people are trying in their own best way. And these medications helps bring them back to. Maybe is the average amount of food noise that everyone who's pretty lean feels all day. So it's not right first to judge people, but at the other hand, we can judge people little bit because some people just don't care.

And then like how do you address that? Corporations, food stuff echoes out the window that these people going to want in anyway um IT comes down to talking to the individual asked, what do you want to improve your life and if they are like a good to like, we're just gonna some bees people. And as long as in my view, in the view of our company R P, as we want to help every single human on earth who wants to get into Better shape to get into Better shape. But notice the wording we don't want to help anyone that doesn't to help themselves is it's partially ly impossible outside of like north .

korea or something like that. Dad always says you can lead a horse water, but can make a drink, which is a very west .

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you have what? Okay, good. I just want to make sure you are but I I feel bad. I'm your drink in know. Um okay, this is let's talk conspiracy. Yes, my conspiracy is I want to have what the kids talk about this these days, which is a snatch job you heard of this at.

i'm sorry.

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strong job. Yeah.

snatched snap. That's what they say. You Better this. Okay, you love one. So is my president.

Um is IT true that we are eating softer foods. And so we have not. We have these like weak jaws. And if we massa cate on, I know hard, grow happy things that I see on the internet. Or if would you draw exercises if we get stronger?

Just that was very likely. Yeah, the effect might, in some people, be profound, were like they started their jaw stuff. And like few months later, like my god, like tony dance, I kind of thing hang out um that .

actually works like those things to you on like that .

fund enough the muscle from investigation go all the way up your head all .

the I just take a lot of stare .

it's to be on a told me K, I used I have these have the same head shape before I ever touched any story it's just just weird genetics or whatever quit to be clear honesty he used to want to be a head model just never happen. Don't pay.

Realize me thanks. Listen, have you say .

models is this very people are model, it's a good point. Um so for some people that effect very small, like chew on sticks for six months, look in the mirror about game might look the same, but on average there should be in effect and IT will they hear a thing like you ve got to be consistent and so one thing, if you get some kinds of gum, they're pretty hard to chew chewing if you sticks a gua day can get you some good jaw exercises um changing your whole diet would be a highly inconvenient trip. Yes, maybe you could do that. Um I don't know what is the benefit of having a muscular job that people want to get.

Well, I think men want IT because women find IT more attractive, do I think so? That's like the whole chat know the meme of the chat with the big jar and .

no flag jard can like okay so on that note I never can tell if the ideal man means floating around are just um perpetuated by what men think women want or what women 十里 湾 that's true and because .

more women choose the dad bob， I read a wild study that basically said actually if given two choices a chat very fit six pack era a versus a dead boat. A little fluffy um maybe a ta bit of receding airline on average as a as a partner, perhaps not in a one off situation. They choose more than sixty percent of the time in that box. So maybe right then think women watch odds and really they want todd. Todd, I feel like a todd would have a dad .

bod yeah yeah he could. Um there's also a different um vary off topic at this point. But whatever women based on what they want out of you, you're gone to look different for them.

So if they want like you like Becky doesn't broke up with her a long term boyfriend. She's like, I just need a night out. It's girls' night, girls night. He is hunting and no girl's night. It's a great cover for that sort of thing like he lives as that I may I know, shot up and look over there.

Um she's going to want a male that on average looks a little different than like the gave your dreams who you fantasised by having children with after one minute of talking to him that latter person's is going to be a soft featured um kinder gentle er probably has like a future of income stream stability and non violence. Guys, fine, I going to rough me up. But if you're looking at for one nightman sort of vie, which girls get into over now, again, also with their menstrual cycle.

their periods where girls one.

you think back to your friends like no, so that the lately does happen, but then you want more of like six, forty, five, bearded and ABS, who else knows what? Cigarette smiled the horse. I'm just back to the horse. Yeah no, there's a difference.

I don't know where I and my wife and your wife went wrong then because we both shows like the really jack sort of violent dudes like you're a bureau Brown belt into jco, right? But I guess um had super into .

more violent that is just getting into grappling now and SHE can't like like if ever again will be somewhere and there's like a crazy person being crazy, you'd live off and you know that's like SHE starts to do like the judge c finger warm up to you off that shit. Yeah, yeah. He is not so matter of that bitch.

Chris taught me a red lock. Oh, never felt more powerful.

like one .

hundred percent. yeah. The only problem I ve found with that stuff is, man. This sound like that sounds like a weird thing i'd be curious to take, but seems like as a woman, if you want to be good itself defense, you actually have to really train your violent fast twitch, or like fast action muscles, because I could have all the theories in my head. But then something happens like one time Chris try to show me this is like, just watch and he like charged at me like full fame and cross up you just to, and I just break up and just like I did nothing and and I feel like men, you guys get used to that like you're good at fast twit, like my husband will air r on the side of violence .

if he needs to quickly and violence. He said that a few few months of training.

But have you found that IT for women is harder to to air on the side of violence, even when we need to.

on average? absolutely. Yeah, this is such a real thing that a large fraction of female athletes at the very top of their sports have trouble getting up for a competition like a waking up to try to do their best, especially in very a sports which require confrontation, judge wrestling, even like bollywood and stuff like that, where like women have a more an average CoOperative vibe, yeah, in a synergistic five and less of clashing a big chest, survive.

And that actually makes women like, I don't know, a thousand times, less violent and printed to going to prison than males. So think god, they got the luck of the draw, that one. But also, a lot of times women don't have that like.

Fire, I want to kill something kind of energy, even maybe when they need IT. So one of the big things about life self defend some ours that they teach um two drawbacks. Ks one is they'll teach something from hour is not enough training time for you to be able to pull IT on often real life. You need consistent training all the time. So that's a problem.

The other problem is a lot of women who faced in their real scenario um they won't have what in the military is called violence of action and that means like like real gun fights, real fights for life and death, they happen very aggressively and very quickly and um if you're not in that mindset, when IT starts happening to you, your brain could recess into um a sort of evolutionary calculated victim mindset where like you know a typical in insane of thought less retard to, let's see an account of sexual violence against a woman. Inevitably some guys the other will be that what did you fight back? Well, imagine if you are a typical male, hundred eighty thousand and five or ten, and you were being sexually assaulted by a three hundred and forty pound six forty seven offensive line, like you might calculate.

Totally subconscious. Ly, if I was just going to kill me, but if I just make IT through this, how the o canal with that later survival is more important than reproductive um sing sing to which is a super I stop to say it's also true and so if women want to flip the switch of, I am not just in the victim. They have to have the tool kit behind them, the combat training or the arsenal, like their cool pens you can have, like the atomic bar.

I have some of else r but the thing is, like using that pen requires flipping in until very ancestral frame of mind. As we are supposed to use that pen, you're supposed to take that out and repeatedly jammed up someone's chin until they fall over and then you run away, which sounds messy, samey, messy. It's only the messy is supposed to get their blood going out of them.

But if you just go poke one time, they're gna take that pan and do things to you with IT, or they're spotted away, or they'll proceed and doing whatever they wanted. So in a confrontation that's real, real, you have to make that switch. I'm fighting for my life.

I'm fighting for my life. And then if you have a tool kit behind you of knowing what to do, you can be really dangerous as a woman and make a lot of guys really uncomfortable and no longer want to pursue anything. But if you don't know much, you might be in a place real. I oh my god, like, the more I fight back of, the more violent he gets and got to IT through this which is terrible .

but there is so fascinating but sadly true I think um I feel like you should break my heart and tell me about alcohol because I really love a couple lesson of wine and these days I hear that's pretty much categorically not create for you what what's going on with alcohol should we .

drink IT or not just right to be out to say never leave the house sober. Um moderation is a huge thing and is still a real thing. It's never sexy to talk about, but it's real.

So if you have lots of alcohol consistently, four, five, six drinks a day, it's going to have an an effect on long term health, long term, definitely body fat, all at other stuff, muscle mass. If you have one or two glasses of wine and night, most nights, statistically, IT has almost no effect on anything negative wise. IT has maybe some curious positives here there really yeah yeah sure.

Like cardie health and stuff like that turns out like red wine especially has some greatly healthy things in there for you. I know the thing is of a little bit alcohol, a is all alcohol is poisonous to some extent. But if a little bit alcohol gets you into the unplugging, stress reducing mindset frame that you're going to Carry through the rest of that evening, that three hours of super low stress, body and mind sympathetic nervous system goes down, pair sympathetic tic, the station park kicks up.

If that gets you there, then that three hours every day of super relax to being is such a huge health promoting factor that the alcohol to get you there is worth the tradeoff. I you should just be able to meditation or something flipped in the mind frame of relaxation and boom. But if IT takes a few drinks, that's totally cool.

The thing is, if you go from one or two drinks a day, on the average to two to three, you're in questionable water, three to four you're not really questionable water anymore. You're probably doing health harm all we up to nine, ten, eleven and you need to go live on a rehab center for a while. So with alcohol c with many things, the dose, the frequency um and what you do with IT is important. No thing is like you just have a couple classes wine that's really not a big deal. But if you have a couple grasses and wine and then you get the you get like the alcohol hunger.

Yeah but I heard I weed but back, but I used to use weed. That was I was like, it's great because it's no calories. Why is like a hundred calories of glass, one one hundred or whatever? But then I have some big as the thing is I problem to eat that whole cake?

IT looks so good and the taste so good. I know.

and it's hard, I think, in business for me at least, I you know, I meditate, I work out a lot whatever, but I think similar to a lot of people, IT is hard for me to shut off. This looks always motoring and so that glass of one is interesting that you say that um because I feel guilty for IT these states I think a lot of people do there are so many people like big fan of Andrew, human mean body like the thing is if you're drinking in alcohol, bad. And thanks .

about a lot of I know.

So I think i'd just live joylessly through life with that. First.

definitely bad was actually empirically bad to live journal sly because they've done tons and tons of research that people that don't have a lot of fulfilment and people that can't unplugged in these stress, they die much earlier than everyone else. And so many of the people that have lived the longest have had plenty of alcohol and other things in their life.

But they have very, very concentrated focal point of why they are around, deeply immerse ing career, family connections of purpose, a why they wake up everyday sort of thing. And so, uh, in moderation, alcohol is a tapestry, a part of a quill and the beautiful quilt your whole life. It's gonna be in that position, in idea.

You could get what you get out of alcohol for a appeal that has no actual alcohol in IT. Yeah, yeah. That be Better human than that. Wrong, wrong. But IT all comes down as a trade off.

And so like if someone said, you know, like sitting is bad for you, there's some research if you sit over a little long time, general activities, not that great and then like, does that replace like sitting your kids down and watching the lord the rings trilogy over a long weekend, if that's not a cool thing to do anymore, what the hell we living for anyway? It's a beautiful part of life that you just removed. So everything should be seen as in context, on average, and over net effects of a lifespan.

Here you a blue hound, you're always drag like gonna die much sooner. Bad health sea. But if you have a few drinks here there guiltlessly, I might add, guilt is not so good for the body, mind connection and you're able to relax with them.

Very, very likely. It's so that positive fast. I don't drink.

by the way.

but ever I know I just I just don't get anything out of IT that I used to. I used to drink a little bit in a college because drinking reduced my inhibitions and allowed me to be more confident with others. I now arguably have like, I need more inhibition in my life, less.

I told i've no issues of that whatsoever and so I just don't need alcohol. I just poisoned me like, i'm my god, i'm getting sick and had a headache and I camp street. If none of the positives I do. I do dwell in the winds a little bit. I do edibles.

I don't know about that like I was in kind of us actually for a couple years, three or four years. Uh, I was an investor. Oh no open. Is there okay? Yeah I actually thought I was doing a really good thing and I be curious to take on this then um I started to see the T H C A percentages that they were putting in some of the the can out there and how to change. And I had one person in my family and then just recently a second person in my family get what was diagnosed ed by the doctors as nav hyper mesh hyper .

meses syndrome .

OK is that well apparently IT is one of we should check me on the internet but um that canvas can do something to your cannabis ID receptors. And you know how lot of times they give people can of when they have cancer, something they are going through the therapy help with noja well um IT almost is like IT trigger the opposite effect.

So basically I thought first hand one of my failure members were staying with me and took a ahead off of a babe pan and we had a sneaking in, sufficient that IT was something with a canada and what i'm saying sober, hit about to go to the airport, violent for two days, blue all over multiple. I, as they have to stay, yet to stay in the shower heat, seems to like me. One of the only things that temper the response logic, sit in the shower, the bath for like hours on end and and have and loose like forty pounds you like like skinner, I mean on the .

broken down the weight loss drug .

of so so I got started to get concerned about the degree at which we are increasing T H C. There's no research about this because it's still schedule one um so we don't actually know why. Um so i'm definite concerned about the high T H C levels. Just having experienced that twice must be something genetic too because two of my family members had IT um and arguably used high do C T H C previously but as horrific is so scary for for our family and he was addicted like he had to get off of IT. Um so I guess I never thought that kind of us was addictive previously.

So kind of two kinds of addiction from, I understand, sort of this is a very, very um not highly inform take there's physical .

to be higher ms when there's some research. I you.

So there's like psychological addiction and we are like you like IT. If it's your lifestyle you don't want to be without IT, IT feels good. Uh and then there's physical addiction, which is like if someone just stops doing hereon, they have to be supervised, ed, otherwise they could die and they have like crazy fevers and all of other halcyons and once you over the hump, like you're fine.

But there is no real physical addiction seemingly with marijuana nothing the right home about like you don't like half people used to weed and like to watch out crazy like this. Not high, yeah. But the psychological addiction can be a thing, because if you really like how weed makes you feel, can just keep taking weed all the time and feel something like that.

It's super cheap. It's ubiquitous. IT doesn't like this. Chih c doesn't destroy your body's health, like paris, for example.

And so some people get into this place where their night using a lot of weed all the time. And for a huge, huge number of people, this is totally fine. You're just higher time of cares.

Well, I don't know how people do that, because I only do weed. I have to break. Nothing is required of me.

I can't be useful on we. No, no way. Some people can, apparently, for them, god blessing, use all the way you want. But for other folks, especially at certain very high concentrations, they are going to get in to some side effects and they're to get in to some weird quartey scenarios and they just not onna be something that fits for them anymore.

Was in that so good that might just said, I want to pop here really quickly until you one thing we saw that about sixty percent of our audience is not following the podcast is not subscribed as you're listening to somebody who's brilliant as mike, I want to make sure you guys get to the next one. So do me a favorite right now. Stop whatever you are. And subsequent to this podcast, so that you can be part of our cool, cruel. We got a ton of exciting stuff coming up this, and that helped us get bigger guests for all of you.

Basically, like T, H, C, in marijuana, a is a drunk. And every drug, the way I treat IT is a serious thing. Like one does not.

Simply there is. I got a culture and fitness more like in the middle astern world and in the european world, that as much in the us. Of, like all i've been lifting for a few months, let's try or steroid.

It's just like another tootings l box. It's not it's a super powerful thing, but has big upsides and big downsides. IT requires careful management. Marijuana the same way so as alcohol.

And so you know, if weed people treat us just like, oh, whatever, who cares? Then, yes, some fraction of people are going to have a real bad time. And again, in a country of three hundred million people, five percent of people have pretty bad experience.

Marijuana, just tens of millions of people that be screaming at the top of their logs. That holy crap, this is poison. I mean, the other thing with we is that, like I think a lot of people more in the hypo side of things, which I I think the great, but we all have our various ways in which you're wrong, myself included. The hippy people want to imagine that marijuana is this lake god made IT for us from the earth and it's this urb that takes care of the whole being IT is never a problem IT just .

heals everything. And a few few .

Austin at half the population um but like this is not true yeah we can be great for many people, but it's also powerful drug and thus we have to treated with respect.

And if and when we see that some folks should climbing up in the dosages and there are starting to have a real wages time stand to pull back and think, I hole a second, you can just eat three, two hundred minute's c cat bars of hour and think like this is okay, because maybe IT is. But when it's not, we have to dump that hippy philosophy of like weeds, good. And that the real thing is in the internet, we can get things pretty mpl, fied, maybe overly simplified.

And you started to get people like weed is great versus people like weed is terrible. And a few of us who were here on the corner, like weeds, drug IT, can be good in some instances, but bad and others where they shut up. That's too nuon.

Yeah, that is the internet, definitely. So um I get silly, overwhelmed by all the supplements out there and I really like that. You have a bunch of videos where you're just super clear you're like, here's what I think. Here's some that I like. If you have to say, like some of your favorite supplements that you think actually work.

what are they work for? Who and for .

what for being fit? So for most people .

there is trying to be fit healthy. They just don't need any supplements at all. Some people can get tests for this um especially in northern attitudes.

If you don't see the sun a lot like uh various vitamin d supplements might be a good idea. Some people need a little bit more thing and so on so forth, but that's much more contextual. And the once in depends on the individual.

The average person of eating a decently well baLance diet just didn't need any supplements a of any kind. Now if you have a little trouble getting in your daily protein requirement, production supplements are cool and there really just actual protein food to still down and do a chocolate powder that you mixed and you drink them, that is fine. So there's nothing exotic about them.

If you're trying to get a really extra super special jacket and you want that little bit of an edge, creative can work. There are a few other supplements in that general sort of space were like for most people that just never even noticed that they're on them, but just known to take a power every morning. But for some people, the trade off is worth IT and its super cheap but super good for your health.

But on five grams of creating a day is totally cool. Most supplements fAllen in a category of if you're trying to really push your fitness next, next level, they're like three or four, maybe five. They're like possibly worth expLoring. Another thing is, if you have a neutral efficiency of some kind invitation d deficiency, these or something, you can take those of supplements and then you'll be Better. But for most people, eating remotely healthy and just pursuing a healthy lifestyle IT just would be untrue for me to see that everyone needs supplements.

So when when people come to like you R P strength, for instance, and they're looking for different ways to get fit, and I would assume often like muscularly fit too, yes, how do you guide somebody in trying to figure out supplements, let's say, or do you .

guys yes, we have a few videos are youtube channel that tell you what the supplements are that we think work and tell you about the use cases.

If you were to say, like you're Young, you want to get fit, you're like sort of middle and right now, but you want to be pretty muscular and you're a man versus a woman, broad strokes. I know I can be that nuances, but people have no time for nuances. So what would you tell somebody like that? Even the questions that they should ask themselves .

go to see a doctor ask them if you are deficient in any of the essential vitamin minerals and what tests can be done to ascertain that um your doctor will help you out or for youtube register attention to figure that out and if the test come back like you're gucci, no worries, then you don't have to take anything. If you are efficient in some kind of items and minerals, then you can start to buy supplements to address that efficiency.

Retest later to see that it's been addressed and then you're going to go if you have trouble getting in a daily amount of protein, uh, then protein shakes and protein bars can be really cool. Those are supplements if you want to get a little bit more, jack, but you have been lifting for a while and you can not kind of tell subtle ty versus like all I have muscles verses I used to not creating can be a supplement you can take if you trained really early in the morning and you're just dragging. But you know, you've got to get that done. Free workouts can be OK, although free work outs are really just a ton of caffeine smashed and the something to pace.

like one thing about how a heart sack. And I didn't realized I got Better if you work doubt. So I just laid there and cancelled my workout panic in panic for an hour. But now I I kind of can use them in IT works. Does help in the gym though.

if you, if you need a bit more, that rage totally, but also, like a cup of black coffee, can do something very similar. And you can grade IT more because like one scoop is one scoop, you could start to get the level half a scoop or something. Both free workouts are, my opinion, like wildly overdosed.

why? Because when people buy them, the kind of people are recommend to work out on the internet, or the kind of people that are consumer between they build more tolerant. And if you don't, while people in the first dose, they just go like, the thing sucks, I don't work.

And so a lot of time to get this increasing amount of caffeine and other stimulants inside the precor toward something like me I knew, who are used to them. Yeah, you have a black. And that thinking like that, I mess up. I'm going to die here. Yeah, one .

hundred percent. I was like, the thing is, I took a math on accident.

And what happened is, but you should say there used to be a kind of oral modified version of meth that was legal to put in the supplements. There's a simple or called a IT was a jacked 3d that was the old four prior， like twenty fifty or something, and that legitimately had A A version of method to me at a and so like friends that used to take IT, we're like, IT was not caffeine. IT was different. You would train until your body fell part and you were just like, I layering everything IT was intense yeah trying that that wasn't like great, very health. But whatever, you're jack, you're a math who cares .

how when you go to the gym um I kind of want to switch topics a little bit, but what kind of things that I love that you've talked about one you have talked about how many times a week people actually mean to go on average. What are your thoughts on that? Do I to go to give m seven days a week? Do I need to be there for now and a half? Can I go for fifteen minutes a day?

I in there is little possible if I, I want to see, because I want to hold in in myself. If it's my dream that I owe, I want you to be there every day, twice a day. No, no, I want you to pay the membership, but never show up the planet. Fitness model depends on your goals and depends on how long you've been exercising at a various capacity.

So if you've been training hard four times a week for an hour and you want to take your fitness to max level, you do have to do four times a week for an hour or four times week or hour, fifteen or five times a week or six times a week like whatever a physique have gotten after months and months, maybe even years of doing a certain frequency like to level up. You might have to do a little bit more if you can recover from IT. But if you're just getting into fitness for the first time and you want to make some serious changes, you don't have a lot of time. Two sessions a week each thirty minutes of doing um like compound exercises like rolling in a bench, pressing and square and thing .

and doing .

various poder r time. And that means this really economical. It's efficient because you don't never expand one sad doing one exercise one muscle and go to the next one. If you take very short rest breaks between sets and if you arranged the sets such as muscles that are currently working are are gonna resting on the x exercise, like if you, let's say, combine a bench press with a dubell row, not really any other muscles do both. And so while your bench pressing muscles are arresting, you're doing dumbo s instead of taking time.

If you arranged that in those supersets with two sessions per week of twenty or or thirty minutes each, even with at home dumplings, you can revolutionize your physic in your health. If you are starting from just being a regular person of the world who doesn't work out huge deal, if after a year to your physics start kind of stabilize, the gains are very slow, you can start to add another session in and another one until you get to know one of my colleagues, you're whether he's a proper builder. He trains like ten times a week technical because he has some days where he comes to the gym twice, but would like to chest and maybe some try sups who will come in later and do much more.

Try sus and shoulders and biosphere. You can for him, a just work got a backwards. I have so intense that is not much to do after that, except go home and rest.

So if you want to, elliot, yeah, maybe anywhere from five to ten times a week. The gym is what's going to get you in your absolute best shape that you are physical bally capable of getting into. This is the expensive rest of your life.

So i'm not not a recommendation on my part, but the really good news is that for most people who aren't working on very seriously or consistently, just two or three sessions a week, twenty or thirty minutes at a time in A G M, can get you unbelievable results. However, you ve got to be moved in. None of this throwing on the phone while the dumb ll curling nonsense. If you're going to be sweating, you're going to be reading happy you too much .

like how do we measure intensity? That what my husson says, my promise. I think it's very Normal for women like I go in the gym collective every looks hard. They got make .

up on to over A B two half the .

time I ent like my shirts stay and it's so great so how how does one measure intensity and how important is that?

Yeah it's pretty important. Consistently show me doesn't work out hard with the show every time they are going to get in some psychotic A T it's a thing um but basically we can't measure its super well because it's really internal. But that's up to the person watching this to decide how far am I pushing him and so a really good landmark ford is this first will try hard say, you know, this said, i'm going to push my body and here's a big one.

I'm going to accept the inevitability of discomfort. I am here to be uncomfortable, uncomfortable the whole hand and training. I'm doing something wrong.

And there's a couple ways to tell if at the end of a SAT, you're really pushing the muscle very close to failure because the muscle can't lift the way anymore. That's kind of the ultimate Alberta of like you're training pretty hard and that's good enough. So how can you tell you getting close to failure are two ways to tell what is probably a bit bet of.

The other one is how fast you lifting the weights, like if you're roling the machine and every rap looks like this and the iraqi, something like a, you really could have got a few more you like that really, really tough. I don't believe you. Nothing changed.

So if the last few reps are start to get real slow, and any time you want to quit between when they start getting slow and when you can't move anymore is a OK, you're in that zone of acceptable difficulty to really get great results. The other one that occurs a roughly ly the same time is how does your perception of how hard and healthy the exercise fields change as you do? The rap soap raps one through ten, your bench pressing in your feels like forty five pounds or whatever is if you're gonna fail with a gun to your head at fifteen reps, anything after ten, eleven, rap twelve, rap thirteen.

You may even people to move at the same city because you're really tuning up. But perceptively, the weight is going to have feel heavier like it's pushing back at you. If you can do a whole set of dubell curls, you have been delaying the robots class.

They do a set of ten. They put the dumplings down to do something else like. But he tried on that set. If at the end of the curls you're like really straining, you're worker y hard enough. And as long as you do that, every single working set of your program, you're going to get old sweat, ding, you're going to the heart rate benefits are going to get the fat of benefits you get of benefits if you never really look like you're trying. And more importantly, if you don't feel like you're trying, you're not going to get as good to yourself.

Had so helpful actually. Now i'm going to do that. This is kind of a crazy idea. I sort of wonder if in the future we will be able to buy fitness. Yes, I don't really.

because I kind of think .

I can't agree OK. Tell me, tell me, what will we be able to buy bodies and being fit in the future and if so, how?

This is very much speaking to a huge passion of mine. So any time that you train with weights, or that you eat a different way or you do physical activity, the real thing you're doing is activating certain biochemical pathways in your muscles and other tissues. You're trying to get certain molecular machines to turn on.

When these machines turn on the signal, other parts of the body to start building muscle, to start losing fat, to do whatever. And so the reason we do all this stuff is just to turn on a few molecular machines. Now, if we develop drugs that just turn on those machines anyway, why do we need to do this? Now there are still some connective issue benefits, which you could also target with different drugs.

I'm getting ahead of myself. There are psychological benefits of training. They are awesome. I don't want to take away from that at all. Very important to some people.

But if you just want the result physically, a fitness, and we know that the way to do that is to activate our chemical pathways. The ability develop cocktail e of drugs to target most of them is in very much within our reach currently. So right now, we've developed a drug that reduces your appetite.

Substantial is a new line of an erratic drugs. And they really, really work. And so like we already have a job that can cause you weight loss, that's really tough. That's like half of the battle.

Another drug that i'm looking forward to hopefully hitting the markets in the next five to ten years or something is a peer anibal's c what that means is, if you take anibal c diodes, they grow mussels with you just sit there at time. They grow as much muscle as working out does, but you don't have to work out. The problem is they give you heart disease risk, stroke risk, they drive, even saying they sex drive goes all over the place.

If you are a woman, they are called Andrew genes, man creators. They will turn you in every conceivable way into more of a masculine person. You will get pair growing all over here. Getting ready for the club becomes more difficult or easier depending on which target you got. So they're really, really terrible at this.

But IT turns out that there are certain receptors ors we know exist in certain molecules in the body, exist that if you target them, you'll just get purely muscle growth of skeletal muscles of Normal times you can see, and really nothing else. Have you ever seen the pictures on the internet of like the cow and the mouse and the greyhound? They're like dumping their super jack didn't work out.

They just have a genetic mutation in which there's A A A molecule protein called mile steam mio. Muscle stand means stop. IT stops muscle growth at caps, muscle growth all the time.

So IT turns out your body's muscle growth machinery is always kind like ready. It's three ago. And IT stops IT. And so if you deactivate that gene that you don't make mouse stabbing more, your body is like full to muscle growth all the time, right? This boom m just goes. So which why the cows adorable, al is gentle colonies stand as try seps are hang in fat free and everything, because most of your metabolic starts going into your muscles, your fact gets starved and then your super leaning and super jack. There is no current human grade mile state in the activators drug, but to make one isn't a matter of lake.

Like, how do we get people to lake alpha anti the next star like that you undertaking with a lot of questions that we don't have answers to and a lot of questions we don't even know we should be asking how to make a mile statement in the hidden drug is just a matter of like the guys doing the AI modeling with drugs. Now just put that in the computer, getting a couple canada drugs out, testing them on animals and humans and boom, got one. It's not super complex. It's also one target is just one protein.

Why how have they done not think, uh.

drug companies. Are, as we talked about earlier, profit and loss enterprises and the number of people that would be paying a lot of money to get a muscle enhancing drug is just like relegated lake witness people and even not most of because most people i'm not taken to drudge. Most fitness people in amErica didn't take theories because they were poison and they are not.

And so you make your format al company in years of fd approval to get a drug that like three hundred thousand people buy, like here in the red, like three billion dollars is something like that. However, this is changing now as we are getting a grip a in the pharmacist industry on having drugs that allow people to lose weight. We're not realizing that oh og we having a lot of more elderly people and people who can lose lot of weight and then they are under muscle.

They just don't have enough muscle to be as healthy as they could be. A activities of daily living become a problem. So now there was a position paper written years ago that was like we need a non Andrew gana abolish for ht of stuff because it's good in the reverse abeles to do also really cool stuff.

And so now that's probably gna start to be in the pipeline is just like when you have heart disease and diabetes knows other things um that are prominent to develop drugs for them like what is the american obesity drug market? I don't know, two hundred million people only crap. So even if a million people are willing to pay for this, the muscle gain drug is not enough.

But over time and builds and bills and all the sudden now that we have a eyebrow drug discovery, the process to get, here's the worst thing you can happen to a drug company short of the drug, killing them to people once approved. Sock Price, right, is terrible. You have a drug that you took a long time to develop.

IT gets in the fda trials like these one, two, three, and IT fails them like what you, what he used pokes to do, like fells. We're in the whole three or million dollars get nothing, nothing and nothing that you could. You all set table cell to these people.

This country is just not going for sale anywhere. Not like let's here A T shirt business. Yes, some t shirts that you make IT doesn't cost lot of minted to make t shirts and they say you don't sell that well, whatever.

Like we made two two or books, we didn't lose three million dollars. And so now with A I power drug discovery, you can get a drug predicted by A I to like within ninety nine percent chance. The exactly is effective at what you think it's going to do before IT interest.

The face, the faces of real animal and human trials. And then there's a huge chance that is just going to like rockstar all through those, and then it's not as big of a risk anymore. Pra, I drug discovery, you know your chemist Better than good at guessing the receptor concentration, the receptor shape, because if they get IT wrong, like hundreds of millions of not more down the drain, that's not any more in the next five years.

Going to be nearly as big for problem is kind of like this, if you have a couple of days to get a picture, uh, to be really beautiful using photoshop and A I image generation, you're going to make a pretty picture but if you give you a crayon and the president that states watches you draw a picture, go, you got one shot. Go you and on socks you sox, sorry, you're gone. Holy k, that's what torg discovery used to be like.

You are one show to making a molecule as soon as IT entrance, the phases and the trials. You already losing money if IT doesn't just block buster everything. So being that that the current environment, we're gona have this eye predict very confidently in the late twenty twenty, especially through the twenty thirties, we're gonna, uh, a drug.

They're going to be able to make drugs that are incredibly targeted at one specific thing. They're going to just start cbs ing entire classes of disease. What that's going to do for people is people can be on an interactive drug to control their appetite.

They can be on an animal lic drug to increase their muscle mass. There are many drugs that they've tested in animals which replicate almost every feature of extra size. But it's just to appeal like everything you think and exercising that would be able to do that rat can do just as IT takes the pill.

You can google list to very ubiquity once they get that working in humans, you'll just be taking maybe three drugs. And almost everyone you see on the street is going to be incredibly good shape um that in addition to that, what happens later is we start thinking, okay, we have a DNA regional code makes these proteins and they do some really good stuff. But we need drugs to make the proteins more effective or we need drugs to take the blocking proteins out of the mix.

Why do we just change the DNA so that our DNA creates a beautiful body for us in the probably really twenty thirties, that's going to be almost inevitable. Uh, obviously, by then you might have cybernetic replacements for stuff, really wacky stuff, but I think that's the direction it's going in is like exercise is awesome and amazing and having to watch your diet, having to do exercise takes hours out of your day. Why not just be the person that genetically is amazing and looks like they want anyway and do that? And my last kind of any point on this is as as long as regulatory agencies approved that, the market incentive is unbelievable.

See, you see a coworker. You have been seen in a couple years. She's transformed you.

What did you do? She's, I take two pills. They've got to be crazy like expensive like that.

They're moments you like, but they're bad for you. Like now they are actually really good for you. My health is as good as ever. You do not going to be look out that she's crazy. You're going to be like, I don't like google a few things because what the hell is going on once they have drugs like that, the effective huge fractions of people beyond them, and then we will have to exercise as much.

And then we can use exercise to connect Better with other people, more social exercise, play team sports for fun, hike, uh, do combat sports, all the other great stuff, instead of just like being the gym, being in pain, which if anyone still wants to continue to do, they absolutely can. But then they'll be like extra thing you can do versus thing you have to do. So so interesting.

You're almost like a fitness optimistic, like a health optimists, sort of like they have the technical optimists SHE. And right now yeah after that sounds like you but know I think right now, people there are sort of this this can't that's happening with people not trust in drug company is especially, let's call, a post vaccine and sort of the role out there, people not trusted in food companies because of additives and obesity rates.

And what would be interesting to see if like the villains could in some ways eventually become the Victors or new Victors, sort of a rise through our technology? And and I actually, 嗯， i think all these corporations, like you said, are not made up of macAllan lizards. They're made up of humans just like us that are working on instance alignment. And like if we change the incentives were actually they can make more money off of fit people overall and healthy people and not like length of care, but actually like a cute change of health, then that's probably what they will do. A do or a really good competitor will come up and either lunch if they're just focus on keeping people .

sick as supposed to make. I ve never seen any internal documents of any pharmacy, al CoOperation that explicitly addresses this idea of sick care. I've only seen sick are and conspirator oral references. I don't think any executive in the right mind even if they thought, look, we don't want to cure cancer. It'll be terrible for our profits, which i'll get to insect that's backwards if I ago.

We want people to still have cancer, but our drugs are going to make you feel, but that we will make the real money, if you articulate that, to scientist researching the drug, to members of the board, to privileged investors, to business partners. Like some company sells you like S A machines. You are a form social company, use them to develop drugs.

And we want the class b model, the class a model. The class a model leads to care. So we're not into cres if that leaks to the media, you're not done.

You're done, done. Yeah, father, gone, gone. It's never happened because those people are generally much smarter than the effort person, and they've done that thought experiment in their head.

And they go, even if we wanted to, this crazy thing we armed, propose keeping people sick. How to hell do you keep them? Under raps, bill clinton was trying to get one B, J, in, in the way. White house, that right, like secrets are real hard to keep in a CoOperation you can even make C A friend. People that will kill you kill me.

Anything straight email for the wrong person and you're done to say the idea that corporations intentionally pharos's al for Operations are intentionally keeping people sick um is baffling and wrong and honestly like help make a bit of further inflation here by damaging my character um it's offensive to the people that work at these corporations and to sick people in a certainty that certainly it's interesting hypothesis could be true but probably not true and here's lie pharmaceuticals ands you go in to from school company, the real talk, just real human to human with the researchers, with the CEO and everything. And you know, where's the cancer cure? They're going to a little mother fucker, we are fucking have one, you idiot.

Can you imagine what would happen to find our stock if they had a drug approved, the strip cured cancer? Can you imagine any other drug they made after with the tagline of from the people that fucking cured cancer? We're done.

yeah. Goodbye competition. IT turns out the human bodies and silly, complex.

And but for A I discovery of how that all work shortly, we're standing enough buck and dark. Some people say that main corporations try to keep us sick. I wish there are some evil conspiracy to do that.

So there was really hidden way drugs that made a super healthy. They don't have them and they're desperately trying to get to the space as possible. No, of course, if you have a drug that's a fair is IT in your hundred percent best interest to completely, you raise that illness and disease.

Maybe not. Can you alright tell you your guys that the company to stop working? Anyone know all the shit that expose the crap out? If you go to your. Sick here it's happening.

You're done brought you're done this like why ceos do the old you know they all keep you got on the cover you know business that's stock Prices went down. It's um so that that's just not how works. And to your point, earlier competitions and mother fucker, man, if this is not working at that novel and sure shit is.

And there's how many other pharmaceuticals the world over? And do you think companies and other countries can be influenced by the global corporate? No, no.

How no is some company in japan there is gna cure cancer. And although american companies who may be are even colluding with each other, they're not, but maybe they are there. Are there people to control that? Taiwan got representatives in taiwan. Do we have pharmaceutical representatives in every single worthwhile have in the world, making sure to guys have no cares, just treat the whole thing fluting insane alc Jones level fantasy IT is not happening. And the real Nancy thing is.

and at this point, I body .

libs exists. The other thing is this, a lot of people don't even care about the treatment or they care. They are just gonna what they do.

People talk about, the whole corporations are like trying to give you food is bad for you. Do you give a ship or you just buy chaos? This no lie, there's no grand conspiracy, the corporations secretly poisoning to anyone.

Hey, cheetos have all these chemicals in them and they're on sale. They have people really gave a ship to stop buying. And don't a lot of people don't.

So a lot of this comes back down like corporations, just like the people at the market to like unveiled their shit and though I do not any this do you say yes, how yeah you're sign in up for IT it's up to you to be like, well, no, I want a healthier stuff is thing how many corporations are selling healthy stuff? Oodles whole foods. The entire brand is based on healthy stuff.

There's all these other players, and it's up to humans individually to choose, like, do I want the stuff that's not so good for health or otherwise? I wish there was a conspiracy so we can tell the drug manufacturers or he could do Better work on cures. They're trying. They're trying desperately. I don't .

think there I mean, I don't know there's second here, not but I think the one item that I do think is real, we talked about this before, is just intent of alignment. And so some of the problem with corporations overall, i've seen at first hand from being finance is just the nature the stock market, it's actually it's not the stock market is not inherently good or bad, but this is quite short term.

And so you know, if you always have an incentive to have short term alignment as opposed to long term, which is usually what happens in private companies to a bigger degree, that's problematic. And if you have aligned to have maximum profit in a increase above all else, that's bad and interesting in ing. The ample is, for instance, like china, they did this fascinating and thing with one of that.

I don't remember what what they call IT there. We'd call IT a mayor. But let's say you're a mare of origin on in in china.

And they did something that I would have thought was very clever when I first heard IT, which is how do we measure our politicians right now? We have no idea they're are bad, right? We go.

I like that guy because X I like that guy because he's not, why you know and and so that's good or about but there's no like track record. There's no score card. We have no idea at least to see you you can see their public stock um premiers and how they done what we are.

The other there's some metrics s well, they said, hey, why don't we actually just measure the mayors by GDP growth and employment? Do they employed more people? And under the increase, uh, the economic activity that seems like something politicians should do, that seems like a great idea.

And IT was in many ways, and IT lifted many areas of china out of poverty. One thing that they didn't think about the was, with every sort of right or on a boat, you need a left door. You ve got to have a collar, right? And so the right door was like, grows and employment.

Let's go. While the left doa was webs. What about environmental impacts? wombs? What about waste? And so they created like sort of these toxic zones through this, and they eventually had to change IT and their version of the F D. I think they they killed him. They he was put up for because in china they ve got a different sort of trust this system ah, but there was a widespread outbreak killed into people so he went jail or died.

And and so I think one of the things that, at least for me, look at on the outside to the to the pharmaceutical industry or to the health industry overall is we do have to look at, not only one can the individuals have higher will power, but two, how are these people being judged? If they, when or lose, which kind of takes us to the next point I want to talk to about what is teamwork? Like I actually don't think that you really ever have an employee that's just like rare with the employees, just shit.

They're just awful. They actually want your company to fail. They don't want the job like that's not that Normal. Often at a couple of things like you place the wrong person in the wrong seat, they have bad instead of the men. Do you want them to do something that is actually not in their best interest to do?

Um or you know you have a person that just x grew or changed in the company and they went sort of wide direction that there's not a fit anymore. So I do think there's like in the world of fitness and health, IT seems like there's the same thing. We have some bad incentives overall with stock market with perhaps integration between.

And this isn't just health and fitness, but everything, big companies and government incentive. We always want to protect industries in order to protect our entr unshed entrance and to not allow competitors that we get a chance. We don't want new competitors.

So I think there is I get why people get conspiracy theories, but i'm with you, it's not because they're really brilliant and secretive. It's because there are perverse incentives that if we change, there would be a different outcome, then we'd have different perverse incentive. But that's why baLance no.

I think that's great. I think the new baLance of what really matters also, also it's not a mystery as to how to create a regulatory environment that is super beneficial ah is not a ton of debate and formal economics about the basic outlines of that plan like very low levels of very basic regulation, especially ensuring that do process will be followed every single time and you favour long time horizon's.

Like most of the regular ory structures in canada, the U S, england, most of western europe, japan, taiwan, they are very good. You have regulatory structures and other countries like um spain, for example, where like is not entirely clear if they're on your side or not. And the government has so much power to arbitrary declare this corporation the winner versus is not that self interested corporations have to play the lobbying game because you can't win without the lobbying game.

And so it's really quite clear from economics perspective how to create intelligent gulag is still on the mostly IT hasn't mysterious, probably one hundred years. But the thing is, when people vote, most people are economically illiterate in literal sense. And it's worse than that because most people feel like they know economics, but they know opposite of the truth.

In many cases, like for example, uh, people talk about housing uh, getting expensive. There's really only one reason housing is expensive. Sure regulation. There's a good for no way um but IT turns out that both landlords and tenants roughly agree on how much housing regulation there should be and IT hurts both of them but they just feel like it's the right thing. They're just wrong.

So there are all kinds of stuff that democracy is like you know the the worst way of all to govern but all of the other ways are much worse and and so hopefully um as people become intelligent over time, more intelligent, more educated and more liberty in their attitudes of living that live as has been happening through history, but kind of up and down here now again, the eventually the corporate regulation violent. It's Better, Better, Better, but there's also um a bit of that ethos to bring in to how you run a company. So like A R P A way, the flag a little bit here.

But this can be done with any company. You have to have a real good reason of what you're doing that comforts with the rest of society. So an rp, our deal is this, we only exist.

Try to get everyone who wants to become more fit version on themselves, tactics and tools and strategies, to do that easier at a very reasonable cost financially, and everything else wise to them if and when there is no more reason for us to exist because everyone is genetically altered and is fit forever, will lay down, will cash out and we'll just not be accompanying more. We're not gonna to be like whole. You can discuss away some money somehow.

And so corporations are part of a society wide team to try to make everything Better. The purpose of a corporation is to supply, demand. IT is to give people what they want, but also, in as long of the time, rising as possible.

So give people what they wanted that hurts them. In the medium term, you can not accompany like that. Many people do that if you want to become super, super rich, rich for real, for real, you want a company that uh, at last, even individuals that run IT.

So for example, general motors s your ford. They're older than any limited human. There are companies in japan.

There are four, five hundred years old. If you run a company like that, that company's mission has to be a long term. That our customers that we're supplying are straight up Better off because we exist.

And so now each corporation is kind of a player in the super big team of society, corporations round, and they're all trying to help everyone else and getting money for, which is great, you benefit. I get rich. I go use my money to benefit.

Someone else gets rich. Super, super happy circle. So it's all one giant team. You lends down a little bit to the corporation itself and everyone in the corporation, every worker has to have a similar mentality of I am here to try to help the which means all the other people that work around with me.

And because I help them, they get Better, doing what they do, they're able to help me Better. And we all lift each other up. So this one giant co Operative rabbit at every single level of analysis.

And if you come at IT from that perspective. A lot of the weird incentives start to fall off, and you start to realize that selfish incentives are short sighted incentives, bad incentives. To do all these other nassy things are often because you just weren't thinking long term enough because people say like all that to make a quick buck.

What you can do if for that, who's gona trust you and one's going to trust you, you're not going to make a lot of money. How do people who make billions make their money? And by providing real over the long term quality, high value stuff.

And if you really think through that as a person runs a CoOperation or person works for one, you just bring that attitude into work of how can we help our customers. And in a way that is super awe for them, also considers their long term interests because if people realize company they're doing business with is painstakingly thinking through what's best for them, the customer in the long term. They leave you, man.

They might leave you for someone categoric with superior as well as they should do. You should quit and go word for that company because that much Better had pleasing and serving the customer. So that whole web of essentially CoOperation, like we're almost same team.

All humans in this world actually like ISIS. However, they just need to be killed off. They're explicit .

on a different team. They're not not many of them not have a great .

time yeah good times ahead for those people in having or whatever. But outside of linna y and same terrorist people were trying to work together to have a Better time on planet ters. And that means that every level of analysis, including the family CoOperation, the questions we should be asking are how do we create the most value? How do we provide a long term benefits to everyone so that some level of trust but verify develops. Like if I go to the store and buy a uh twenty thousand bottle of coke, cola, uh, coke zero, which is god's gift to mankind, and I could do IT no .

chance. That is, at your number one, you go to .

caffeine free coke zero, because I don't do you have in .

free coin is the gross is i've ever had in my life? Do people know about this or they about you .

people know about me, about now, more people. That's terrible. This a cork. It's a cork. But here's a thing OK.

When I go to get that bottle of whatever from pepsico or coca cola, I have a very high probability assessment to two things are the case. One, they are trying to poison me. And two is they going to try to make a product that i'd like a lot. They are trying to make me happy.

So as that you have a corporation which either has internal attitudes in its employees of like i'm going to get mine, fuck everyone else not about IT yeah if you have an attitude of i'm trying to help everyone that I am able to, with my skill set to empower them, you got a good thing going and then it's a matter of, do you have the skill set so like R C O and R P C H R, he and does almost no grandstanding. Very few board meetings raised. I got to out porter numbers.

It's going down. I try to blame people didn't do that. What he does is he knows he a lot of town to people in a town that ever in the company is, fuck just a boler.

And then I am there also, but in a closet, very dirty closet, I don't even have a light switch. I just do this. The laptop, they say they provide enough like for me to work and everyone super talented and everyone is aligned that we're like just fucking trying to help people. We're trying to help people get more shape, Better shape if they want.

And because everyone's aligned on that general thing, nick job really is just one thing is to address various people and divisions on the company to ask them a question, do you have everything you need to be as empowered as possible to help everyone else in the company and the of the user? And as soon as thing he does and like it's such a good vibe to have, like it's really cool for me or personally for a company like there's no fucking trick, there's no upside, there's no secure cork, there's not a go when we get to this many users in our updatable ase of them, we sell and we fuck and cash out. Lock these people.

We don't care about them. Pure long game. We just trying to get people in shape. And I think most companies can have that vibe, like i've read some of your stuff about you are trying to empower people to invest in local small businesses like this. Still they can get rich quick scheme at the into the day for you on that, I wish you know .

what would bake me billions lage from that, right?

It's not like you buying the businesses and the newkirk and and installed in nuclear reactors and set of schools, the children of the fuel, that thing I do have A A pension for that like mega evil rich guy fantasy world they kept in planet type I D.

I read, I be great .

exactly but there's no thing like that for you. You're just trying to get people to spend their money in such a way that decades down the line they can be in their fifty years. And they really glad we listen to code because leg buckman, we have like three long mats that we own.

We don't have to work anymore, but it's not like you're discussing and taking money off the top of later. Matt, you you got to say business so large man has to be updated all the time. Better machines, Better customer service and Better, Better, Better because of your customers are having an amazing experience.

That to me is rank one of hot onto business rag. Two is, is their amazing experience, stainless and healthy for them in the long term. Will they continue to be repeat biased selfishly, because we want repeat buyers also selfishly, for our whole team as a society, we're not trying to hurt people.

Which is why, like you know, if if you're like a person that like cells crack on the street, on the one hand, you going to do IT a good thing, supplying demand people like crack. I had to bring them crack, but also crack hard to destroy. A lot of people see, got to be tight, like pog man. And am I really do in the right thing? I I suppose most crack, you know, that night they want to get high and and supply those still not doing that up a night on crack alone.

I always think if you can run a crack business and make a on the money, you're probably really good entrepreneur. Oh my god, should try. You try the straight narrow.

That is actually an interesting so first of all, guess. But also there is a reason why if you look at a real crime, huge fascination of mine, as real crime that actually happens versus td crime, movie crime, movie crime. They got the three p soup.

They are connected to the mayor. They got the sick Operation. Real crime is a bunch of fucking idiots tripping over themselves, selling each other out to the FBI every other day. Real criminals that are smart are usually, wait a minute, i'm expressing dillion gms and organization efforts try generate profit with I could, if we just make a lot more money, not good to jail if I do that in the computer sales or something so most criminals are just told degenerate people with barely anything going for them because, like you'd have to be the choose crime is a way to do things.

So most of the best car tel people there, you just not going to get the best to do that because they are going to be like with my skills are just been I don't forget way I get a shot until like my bed while I sleep yeah so so that's a thing. But that whole corporate idea of starting from first principles of there are humans in the world that need our help, and but we can't work for freedom we start to have, so we can make a product or service set that really actually helps these people for real, for real. And IT occurs at an economic scale that they can afford, but also that lets us do nice things.

And I like to crash my private planes for fun. It's a think i'll fly IT. I don't know how to fly. what? Who cares? right? Because the pile of jump out first, they have a person.

I have a pair. Sure, as soon as I started to crash and and then I go, right, it's could cost money. It's ten million dollars a plane. I'm not made of money, literally, in a sense, I serve so a vami at this point.

But like if we are to get super wealthy, we have to find out how do we please the most people in a truly deep way that it'll continue to come. That is the most secure business model in the entire world. And also has this awesome thing, if I can, has a great vives like, you know, there is, there is many corporations or entities, especially back in history, which you could be involved.

You can make a lot of money, don't feel that good afterwards, if you know, thanks to anyone, because I think a lot of people love gambling in a very safe and healthy way. Most people actually, but like during the gambling business, like a caso go home, your wife, like how is work or up, caused a lot of people out of the money today. I S for breakfast list.

What's for dinner? It's weird. But if you're really had a corporate setting where you get to truly, truly help people and you get to make some money .

off IT now and just like on this best ever plus there's like no, I mean I think physical fitness is one way free to become a Better human and actually see like melange o getting carved from the marble physically .

I see you have been looking at my body .

work pretty big. I think you're bigger .

than I like Angelo, if divi, I was unlike acid, a very bad trip. no.

But I think you you know the other part far about business that's fascinating is like it's another amazing way to become a Better human because where else you get constant feedback, do you have other people we are like rolling in the same direction. Will they actually teach you like for free how to do skills that they have? Because you have a set of alignment, you make money if if you're Better, they make money if you're Better. Like it's a very it's one of the few things works like oh, everything is a line for you to become a Better person.

If you work at a place with people and you get to help other people, the end of becoming Better for your own. Like, if I get big ger muscles, who gives a ship? Yeah, I care, but nobody else does. I make a new version of coca cola healthier and safer and taste, how dare you? What I .

have does. Uh, I think I am bad at naming things can turn thinking has like a ton of balls. Nobody can never say that when I going to podcast they can't spell IT renaissances periodic .

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is a long as name to go up with that what yeah be strength? good? strong?

Yes, that's now our former corporate entity title. Yeah strange time. So there are like a four of three reasons why we named at this. Yeah um one reason is that when mr. Icahn, I got into the fitness business that was considerably more like lying Charlotte ism, liver king type of shit and a lot of just really good people were being scammed and um very unscientific times.

And we can to want to contribute to a renaissance, a rebirth of science and fitness parizeau, the science of making people Better at sports and physical things, that here is a he accorded the science of making Better athletes, essentially. And so we want of a renaissances that addressed that. That's kind cool. The other reason is the renaissance ance, historically, uh, in the whatever, 4 thousand hundred hundred blaw， that was kind of like the dark ages.

So like the greeks and romans had some call ship going science in the bucket, sania, like that, and then like everyone basically was just literally drunk a and in some insane religious extremism for a thousand years the dark ages were kind of bad and the renaissance, a rebirth of like, like science exists. Let's look into this, again, erratically, just completely revolutionize stands, working of just this beautiful thing that happened. And so that we saw some very small, but nonetheless ily of connections to our kind of business model.

And the probably the biggest reason is there is a hedge fund called rena son's technologies. And uh, I didn't know anything about IT, but nick, I trained super wealthy york people for a while in personal training in new york city. And I was asking him always because I was super big and economic and learning stuff.

And I was asking these people who lack ran hedged funds and stuff, like before you met someone who is a network of thirty million dollars, if you don't know how that's going to interact. And the turns out just very cool, Normal people. But I asked them, like all, how did you guys do in the recession? And I would to get the same answer a lot, that whatever on, you know, everyone lost money.

You can do stuff like that unless you anta. I got house renter and one of my, who, oh, his own hetch fundy fucking in the know hundred million airborne, like, look at up and I looked IT up. And so James Simons, the guy who found a rent tech, he was, again, like stock picking and guessing as cool.

But can we just use like allegorist, ms and machines and tons of scientists to figure this out? And he decoded the stock market and the medalia fund has a year on year thirty three person return, which as you know, is fucking insane. And it's just done through like computational modeling.

And so the idea that you can just science and math the living ship of something and help a ton to get clearly on IT, well, like we're just gonna this to fitness. So we say, let me show up fitness. And now we have a team of super highly qualified ts offer engineers a ton of PHD, very room tech like and they makes software.

They make our diet coach APP, they make our hyper py APP, and they make a ton of digital products for us. The these things help people for pennies on the day. And it's like kind of a really maculate thing i'm super out of, I guess. But when I found out that renison psychologies was like, yes, start picking and guessing this because mostly fitness up until that point had been like, do this trust me right.

is what worked for me so hard for you. What she's .

never do like bad .

summer for this exact.

And then we have this new way of doing things which is more science based, more calculation based, more computation based. And the other reason we do that is because IT works Better and it's cool vives. Because I all the size should I A hurted hard.

And so what I realized what renaissance china logie was when we started naming our company, mr. Nh hn I E. together.

I was like, rn, a south trade zone boom. And on the one hand, it's impossible to say or spell. On the other hand, that kind of sticks with you as a corky name. They like those wear people also rp as a um A A shorting of that. You like you can remember rp .

that works yeah yeah ah and .

mostly people at the time were naming their companies after themselves and had fitness after themselves in like sanchez nutrition yeah no.

I never wanted to do that. I already think like my face on the international too much. I'm sure you feel the same way too.

So why do you like a podcast? Because i'm not talking like I get to listen to somebody else. You guys don't have to pain fly, sit through more. Or when you talk in, you will see everything that call about renaissance is the tour point on team that now most of the money is the team's money. And so they instead of going out and having big, huge G P R L P investors, people like me know me, and you would give them money.

Increasingly, they did so well that they allowed their employees to have vest in the employee pool and the gp pool, the the owner pool became so high that there are some of the largest investors at ressources. And now it's very hard. If you want renaissance, take your money. They don't take .

everybodys money. There is a reason, don't this money because the sec requires more dislosure processes, if you have none. Yeah and so if you can't, if you don't have external al investors, the sec is like quite ever important fuckyou.

On because renta has in sely propriety or algorithms and processes is when you get a job there, from what I understand, you sign a way, a whole hell, a lot of your right, you not shit and no one's ever league. There has been zero leagues about what they do. Also, the league would have to be insanely complex of, like most people need me to understand what he is like the the the data dump of the you like ten page algorithm we use.

I don't understand the fuck that says some other finance people could for sure. I'm sure people are looking at the time, but that's a big reason. It's also really awesome for them.

Lag can imagine making so much money that people do on external money. You are good and you should. Others, I think there is James Simons recently to sea start to pee.

He died in multibillion air. There countless people at that company that have boodles boodles of money that just up. I love IT OK.

I want to close out one of thing. You started a new philosophy channel. You, you have this giant youtube channel, millions of followers, millions of followers across your social channels. And then you did. What you know is not that natural, which is you started a philosopher about the mind, health of the mind, in some way, instead of health of the body.

One of thing i'm obsessing about lately, because I can't quite figure out what's going on, is IT seems like we're having a little bit of a mental health tragedy with the youth in this country, and particularly Young man. And I was looking at your audience demographics. You have a very large population of of Young men. Do understand philosophically like what is going on with the youth today. And do you have to take on Young men today how they are thinking and how maybe they could be thinking different if they wanted to change their lives?

Not much. Um the reason I started the channel at first was because I just saw other people and other news outlets putting out their ideas about what the nature of life was like, the nature of the universe, the purpose of society, consciousness, a lot of stuff about A I and I just was like, man, there's a lot people that are wrong and not a lot of people that are right are very well caught after there's tons of people say in the right stuff.

But the Normally most people don't listen to them and so IT started for me as a passion project and still is of just like putting my ideas out into long form videos, because I have some pretty decently organize thoughts about a lot of different stuff. And I think my take could be comically wrong, but is often at least somewhat valuable for people to hear things like, you know, politics and the stuff like that. And what we noticed after a while was the self help advice, which are also like we do bunch of different pets of videos.

Turns out the self help help advice in our target target our actual demographic is mostly Young man or sly um those video seem to do really well and so basically had a not a little bit of turning point on the channel recently where I like fuck like I were immense advice channel god dammit and I joking about I got dam apart it's cool not my intention right um but we're leaning a little bit more into that. We still have all the other topics to cover on the channel because IT just seems to be that people wanted see you soon to your point of lake, we're having this crisis perhaps maybe because a lot of people that are looking for of advice about how to live life, how to deal with the security, how to deal with the exit, how to plan for the future, meaning and and things like that. I'm not a hundred percentage on a few things.

One, if there even is a crisis, ability from media to manufacturer crisis is highly, highly impressive. I'll say something. It'll get to me a lot of hate from a lot of people.

Why not um the covet vaccine situation was largely on controversial insieme effective and saved probably twenty million lives worldwide. But if you look at the news articles, IT was like a poison and a good conspiracy and fouche somehow is bad. Now i'm not a huge fan of government overreach.

I'm mostly a laboratory, an in my politics, maximum freedom and social and economic I think is wonderful. But IT just was never true that the collar vaccine was an actually controversial thing. IT was from millions, millions of people with no medical training and no ability to praise statistics.

So um it's not necessarily true that we even have a mental health crisis. I haven't myself look deeply into the data. There are certainly some things that are bad. There are certainly some things that are really good. Um buying is down by such an insane fraction that back in the seventies and before, we didn't even really measure IT because like just got that aspect at school.

This is what happened, right? So a lot of our increasing diagnosis of various mental disorders, this is the first time ever people have the money in time and the war with all to give the ship to take their kids to the psychologist. There's before like back and like three, eighteen, fifty, you were posted by demons or insane.

And there was a two diagnostic category they used then nobody had any hd. I think about of of course, almost the same number of people had any hd back then as do today. Um you were just considered lazy and dumb or the level of attention we required you to pay at school or whatever was just minor because after three grades of school you went to the farm and farm is tractable for people with the eh dinner and gives a shit.

And other one is people are being asked a lot how they feel nowadays and their calibration for how good their supposed to feel is increasingly higher, higher where is before. Like you know like back in the old world, you just think they can grumpy and she's a fucking grumpy. That's just who he was.

He was humanly depressed in retrospect, but they didn't do diametric criteria that the s and I was around that whole thing. Now there absolutely probably are, and could be ground swells of increasing anxiety, increasing depressions on. And so for for real, for real, really careful how we assess that because a lot of times is just people paying attention to stuff that they didn't before.

Here's an an interesting example from physical health. Uh, cancer is on the rise, has been for last hundred years. And people would be like to do what in our food supplier, whatever, causing cancer. Turns out nothing really not an aggregate IT. Turns out that people live to older, age so much more now that they live long enough to get cancer.

How many three years old get cancer in the rare the average human lifespan used to be thirty back in the day, up until, like a hundred years ago, and then I was forty five, and then IT was sixty. And hand like in the seventies and eighties, if if you get the dies men, you still alive and not anything else killing you, probably even get you a cancer or two. That's why cancer rates are skyrocket.

So you can be looking at this problem. My god, cancer is in us all. But in reality, it's actually a side effect of a really beautiful thing that most people get to meet their grandchildren as adults nowadays.

That will be, in the case, will be big foundation lead for that one. Yeah, there might be a situation wearing the idea is increasing. There are some interesting canada hypotheses that I think that is worth thinking about.

One of them is that for more and more people, life is so preposterously easy and lacking and chAllenge and real fear initiating events, that our baseline levels of a anxiety have no traction or know where to grab on to. And we know that if you put a human being in a very visually rich environment that generally don't, hu Cindy was like, they're stuff to look at. If you put someone in a isolation chAmber, it's just a matter of time until the holus in and they're seeing ship.

There's nothing there because the human visual system is evolved in a baseline of input. And if he doesn't receive IT, it's just going to construct because it's like none our way. I must be president, must be things here.

And so think about what the baseline human anxiety was through most of human evolution. I mean, like you step on something wrong, your fingernail comes off, you get infected, half your foot is gone, you die. Everyone's crying around you as you die by the fire.

Typical tuesday sabhath tigers are around. We have bucking spears. And that's IT in rudimentary teamwork to try to defender.

Life was absolutely cares and hell, up until multiple industrial revolutions allow us to sit on comfortable chairs with air conditioning. This is all new stuff, but our brains are evolution early, very old. They're still looking for sabor to the tigers. If they don't find them, the anxiety is going up because they're a thing. After killing a saber to tiger, put them off fucker in the fire and rip stakes off meeting, you get no worries at all, because the insect psychotic event of watching your best friend get mold by the tiger before you kill them is such a huge up that the down is like heron relaxation. Best to default.

But we don't have any more crazy upside that like if you go through a super inane near death experience, it's known that a lot of people to go to neurotic experience have like a rec licking of like they love life again, everything tastes Better, that looks Better like we used to get net of experience all the time and actual of experience all the time. Now luckily, almost no people die from tragic accidents. That set of figure is not a problem any more.

Texas, praise animals. I because our lives are so easy, um I think we're hallucinating anxiety and that's not to say that it's a allusions not really there. It's really there on your head and that's the only thing that matters. So I think maybe some of the solution to the problem of a lot of anxiety from life being too good is to make your life focused and purposefully more difficult. You know, I gonna ton of anxiety.

If you train like a fucking animal, if your job is physical, or if your job is mental, which are pouring over documents and details and meetings, you too busy to be anxious and youtube drained and there's lots of fight or flight at work, though the recorder numbers came in. They are not good. C E, O 上 的 风。

When you get home and you spend time with your kids, whatever, on the weekends, you're just, you're just a we puff smoke away from be and just holy then because you're getting that chaos summer, you don't have to illuminate IT. But as life becomes a very easy for all of us, yeah, we might have to lean back into working extra hard or training extra, getting to some crazy judge to is a great hobby because people try to kill you for hour a time. Every day after that, like you walk, people walk out of the year, two studio, every single one of the zero fucking anxiety because, like you just try to save your life for an hour heating and unlock, you're to be physically tired and you're emotionally so dreamed.

Anxiety not an option. Many of the people who are anxious are precisely the people from life is the easiest. Um there's not like a crazy anxious thing in like fifty year old CEO is not happening.

Who's gaining xiety fourteen to eighteen year old teens? Could you been around four thousand eight hundred old teens out ays? Everything that could ever want is one click away and that's no problems uh in the problem is like all people on social media didn't follow me when I wanted follow them.

This is not spicion enough to get you really going to reducing idea because it's some crazy event. That's a big deal. And I think that until we genetically reengineering brains, or phmc ological ally, take drugs to lower that base rate of anxiety, we're just onna keep basically looking back into the plaster scene here and be like, fuck, fuck, fuck, there's gotto be Willy.

Man, it's coming soon, man. And you're just anxious because everything's too good to continue. Another way to see is this, any time in evolutionary time, you had a long string of good stuff happen, great harvest maybe, but this is even farming is a new invention.

Just you found some good, good food. You kill the big mammoth. It's just a matter of time until he is the fabric, winter comes, have a fuck and tribal zed. It's a irregular thing, chaos.

So now when people get a really good time going, if that time last too long, your internal sensor for, hey, i'm going to be aware because it's going to get fucked up real soon. He starts to go up. And I think that might be a part of anxiety that at least one of compelling hypothetic so far.

good mics, retell rena's, periodic ation, nailed IT, R, P, all the social. And i'm going to subscribe a little philosophy channel. I love the way your brain works. Thank you so much being here today.

It's an order to be here if you think is much.

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