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Lori Calvasina Talks Recession Pricing, S&P

2025/4/7
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Lori Calvasina: 我观察到投资者们正努力评估市场可能下跌的幅度。一些投资者认同我的"四级恐惧框架"中3100点的预测(意味着市场价值损失一半的重大危机),另一些投资者则认为市场正在计入衰退风险。大约一周前,小型股曾短暂跑赢大型股,但在所谓的"玫瑰园仪式"后,这种趋势逆转,这表明衰退风险正在迅速被计入价格。尽管信用市场目前相对稳定,但小型股估值已经非常低廉(例如,罗素2000指数的市盈率为13.5倍),接近甚至低于衰退时期的水平。这暗示市场可能已经计入了相当大的衰退风险。我们预测2025年的通胀型滞胀情景,盈利增长将远低于市场普遍预期,甚至可能出现盈利持平的情况。这与以往重大危机或衰退期间的盈利大幅下滑有所不同。尽管市场形势严峻,但投资者情绪指标(例如AAII净多头)已降至金融危机时期或1999年的低点,这表明市场可能已经触底,未来可能出现反弹。虽然盈利预期需要调整,但中小型股票的估值已经处于历史低位(例如福特汽车的市盈率仅为5倍),这表明即使在盈利预期过高的情况下,这些股票也可能已经触底。然而,市场上仍有大量向上修正的盈利预期,这阻碍了投资者入场买入。 Tom Keene: 作为主持人的我,主要负责引导话题,并根据Lori Calvasina的分析提出相关问题,例如信用市场的影响、盈利风险以及市场情绪等。我同时也会根据市场实时数据(例如道琼斯指数、VIX指数)来补充信息,并推动讨论的深入。 Paul Sweeney: 作为另一位主持人,我主要关注市场数据,例如VIX指数、债券收益率等,并与Lori Calvasina讨论这些数据对市场的影响。我也会提出一些问题,例如盈利风险、政策影响以及投资者应该如何应对当前市场环境等,以帮助听众更好地理解市场动态。

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This chapter discusses the current state of the market, including the VIX, standard deviations, and the potential for a recession. Lori Calvasina's 4-tier fear framework is referenced, along with concerns about recession pricing and the impact on earnings.
  • Market is lower than futures, VIX at 50.64, three standard deviations down
  • Concerns about recession pricing, 3100 point drop discussed
  • Small caps initially outperforming large caps, but trend reversed post-Rose Garden ceremony
  • Valuation model shows Russell 2000 at 13.5 times PE, expecting a drop to 11-13 in recession
  • Earnings model predicts a stagflationary scenario for 2025, with potential for flat or negative growth

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Lori Calvasina, Chief US Equity Strategist at RBC Capital Markets, discusses her note this morning on why full recession pricing could send the S&P to 4,200. She speaks with Bloomberg's Tom Keene and Paul Sweeney.

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