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Bonus Episode: What Is DeepSeek and Why Is It Sinking Stocks?

2025/1/27
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Mark Cudmore: 我认为这是一个改变游戏规则的时刻,因为DeepSeek的出现突然削弱了美国科技股在过去14到15年中所享有的优越地位。它同时利好全球其他地区的生产力增长和企业发展,也冲击了美国科技现象。我认为这会对两方面都造成影响。实际上,我认为上周四我们可能看到了美国在全球市值份额中的长期峰值。 Kyle Rada: DeepSeek引发了人们对人工智能投资过热的担忧,也让人们质疑美国是否仍然拥有其在全球范围内的竞争优势。此外,它还让人们担心未来的芯片需求可能不会像以前那么大,英伟达等公司可能被高估了。 Kriti Gupta: DeepSeek低成本AI模型的出现,让人们质疑大型科技公司巨额投资AI的必要性,这可能会导致科技股暴跌。一个英伟达Blackwell芯片的市场价格预计在3万到4万美元之间,而许多公司正在全球各地建设数百个数据中心,每个数据中心都需要大量的芯片。DeepSeek能够以更低廉的成本提供类似OpenAI的AI技术,这使得科技股之前的上涨缺乏支撑,引发了市场恐慌性抛售。虽然DeepSeek的技术具有颠覆性,但仍处于实验阶段,其成本效益和可复制性还有待进一步验证。

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Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. And I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the stories we're following today. And Karen, we begin with concerns over the impact that a Chinese artificial intelligence startup could have on big U.S. tech stocks. It is called DeepSeek. Buzz grew over the weekend about DeepSeek's latest AI model being cost-effective while running on less advanced chips. That's casting doubt on the validity of the sky-high valuations for companies like

NVIDIA. We get more from Bloomberg Markets reporter Mark Cudmore. I think this is probably a game-changing moment because I think suddenly the whole U.S. stock exceptionalism of the last 14, 15 years is probably undermined by this because it simultaneously is good for productivity and growth in the rest of the world, good for companies all over the rest of the world, and undermines the whole U.S. tech phenomenon. So I think it hits both sides. So I think actually last Thursday we probably saw the long-term peak in U.S. share of global market cap.

Bloomberg's Mark Cudmore says the AI model from DeepSeek is widely seen as competitive with OpenAI and Meta's latest offerings. Nathan, Chinese startup DeepSeek is now top of the iPhone download charts despite being hobbled by sanctions. Capital.com senior market analyst Kyle Rada says it raises questions about the market narrative around U.S. tech dominance.

If anyone's on a sort of group chat with equity investors or any kind of equity strategist, phones are running hot effectively talking about, well, what is this product? How have they achieved these outcomes? And what does this mean for the AI investment boom in the United States? You know, it raises concerns about overinvestment in artificial intelligence. It raises concerns that perhaps the United States might have the competitive advantage that it has over the rest of the world. It raises concerns that chip demand won't be as great going forward either, and companies like NVIDIA are overvalued.

Capital.com senior market analyst Kyle Rotta. Several of the big tech stocks falling on the news. Nvidia shares down 10 percent. ASML is off by about 11 percent. Meta and Microsoft are lower by well more than 4 percent. Palantir down 6 percent. Supermicro and SoundHound are off by at least 9 percent. And Karen, this deep-seek news comes just as investors brace for a slew of earnings from the Magnificent Seven. Bloomberg's John Tucker is following this end of the story. And John, an

It feels like the news couldn't get any more dicey. Well, it could. The company's shares have been near record highs. Their valuations are stretched, Nathan. And to this, the fact that the group's profit growth, it's projected to come in at the slowest pace in almost two years. Profits for the seven giants are projected to increase by $1.

22% in the fourth quarter from a year earlier. That actually would be the smallest jump since the first quarter of 2023. The seven companies' announcements, they start Wednesday. That's when Microsoft, Meta, and Tesla are scheduled to report. Apple follows Thursday while we get...

Alphabet and Amazon next week, and then chipmaker NVIDIA. That comes late February. CapEx also going to be a big theme. Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon admit it. They're all projected to have spent more than $200 billion combined on capital expenditures in their last fiscal year. And they've all pledged to spend more in the current year. In New York, I'm John Tucker, Bloomberg Radio.

Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio. Nationwide on Sirius XM. And around the world on Bloomberg.com and the Bloomberg Business App. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. Good morning. I'm Nathan Hager. We are seeing a rout in tech stocks this morning. Chinese startup DeepSeek is driving a lot of buzz around the idea of a low-cost artificial intelligence model running on less advanced chips.

Capital.com senior market analyst Kyle Rotta says it could mark a narrative shift for the U.S.-led AI boom. That kind of proverbial arms race in technology investment and AI investment has taken a very, very interesting turn when now China looks like a very viable competitor and

a competitor that, you know, perhaps might catch the ire of the Trump administration. It's Kyle Radda of Capital.com. And for more, we're joined by Bloomberg Radio and Television News anchor Kriti Gupta. Kriti, good morning. What is it about DeepSeek's model that we're hearing about right now that's got tech investors clearly so spooked this morning?

Well, good morning, Nathan. This is kind of the worst nightmare for a tech bull in that we know that so much money has been pumped specifically from the hyperscalers like Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, etc., who are sitting on trillions of dollars of cash just getting pumped into the future of artificial intelligence.

And that's, of course, what's created this massive stock market rally. The concern here now is that maybe all of that money didn't necessarily need to be put in to the extent that it has in the stock market. Let me walk you through some of my math here. And Nathan, for example, one NVIDIA Blackwell chip is expected to go on the market for somewhere like $30,000 to $40,000 per unit. Remember, we're talking about a chip alone and, of course, a ton, basically, of units per

used for one individual AI data centers, as so many of these companies are trying to build out, of course, hundreds of data centers around the world. So you can see very quickly how the argument of just how much one chip is valued can kind of skyrocket into almost an unknown positive figure. And that's the sentiment, at least, that's been fueling the stock market rally. But

But then lo and behold, DeepSeek, this Chinese startup around AI that's using technology very similar to that of OpenAI, which is already kind of on the front of the latest in AI technology.

They are now saying that they can do it on a much cheaper cost. So if you're talking about the things you need to get to artificial intelligence, think of it as a recipe. You need chips. You need engineers. You need software kind of talent who are thinking about this. You need a data center. You need an electricity grid. You need things like natural gas or oil to power that data center, even solar, for example, for the folks that are looking into that. Imagine if that

one element of that recipe is now able to be significantly cheaper. That's what DeepSeek has basically shown over the weekend and going into last week as well, that they can do that. They can provide the same sort of technology for a much cheaper price. So the reason you're seeing the market reflected is saying, well, hold on a second. If you can do this for not as

expensive of a price as previously thought, then why have these stocks been rallying to such an extent? And that's kind of the sentiment that's driving this global tech route today. And it's a sentiment that had driven so much of the rally, as you mentioned, up to now. That puts a focus, a pretty bright spotlight now, doesn't it, on the tech earnings that are coming up as soon as Wednesday for a lot of these big hyperscalers.

It absolutely does. And I think context is everything here, Nathan, because remember these hyperscalers, I mean, we talk about just a handful of companies that are powering NVIDIA. Remember NVIDIA over about 50% of their kind of gains and their customer base is really just from a handful of the mag seven names, your Amazons, your Microsofts, et cetera. And they're able to invest that much because they are still sitting on trillions of dollars of cash post pandemic and things that haven't really been able to be deployed in acquisitions. And this is something that's

a tech playbook is known very well for that, you know, you kind of bolt on some of these deals. You buy new technology. Think of Facebook, for example, buying Instagram back in the day. It's a similar playbook. They haven't really been able to do that and use that cash. Instead, they're spending a lot of that cash in investment and research. And of course, in AI. Now, basically, the element here is that maybe you don't need to do that. But I'm going to caveat all of this, Nathan, by simply saying this is still experimental technology. This is still just one example.

And we also don't have the full figures on what kind of chips they use, just how much it's costing and whether or not there are others like it or if this is just kind of a one hit wonder. Those are still the questions that remain in this market.

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