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What’s a Win? - with Dr. Tal Becker

2025/6/12
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Tal Becker: 我认为,我们不能让哈马斯来定义我们在该地区的目标,以及以色列作为一股向善力量的角色。我们需要超越这一挑战,才能真正击败哈马斯。重要的是,我们不仅要关注军事上的胜利,还要关注以色列在该地区的地位和国际社会的认可。为了实现真正的胜利,我们需要采取更宏大的视角,确保我们的行动能够促进地区的长期稳定和和平,并维护以色列的价值观和国际形象。这意味着我们需要在军事行动之外,积极寻求外交和政治解决方案,与各方建立信任和合作关系,共同应对地区挑战。只有这样,我们才能确保以色列在该地区发挥积极作用,并为实现持久和平做出贡献。

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Today’s episode:

Since the beginning of the war, 20 months ago, politicians and public figures have referred to ‘total victory’ and a complete defeat of Hamas to define the war’s objectives. But what exactly does that mean? And at what cost to Israeli society?

Today’s guest, Dr. Tal Becker, has been exploring what it means to actually “win” the war. What does it look like? How to measure it? 

Tal recently served as the Legal Advisor of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and currently serves as Vice President of the Shalom Hartman Institute. He is a veteran member of successive Israeli peace negotiation teams and played an instrumental role in negotiating and drafting the historic Abraham Accords. Tal earned his doctorate from Columbia University in New York, and is the recipient of numerous scholarly awards, including the Guggenheim Prize for best international law book for his book "Terrorism and the State".

CREDITS:

ILAN BENATAR - Producer & Editor

MARTIN HUERGO - Sound Editor

MARIANGELES BURGOS - Additional Editing

MAYA RACKOFF - Operations Director

GABE SILVERSTEIN - Research

YUVAL SEMO - Music Composer