Ray J Debates Transgenderism | Candace Ep 41
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All right, guys, welcome to a special episode of Candace. I'm excited for this conversation, or at least to bring this conversation, so I'll just dive right in telling you the background of it. I recently appeared on Don Lemon, and some clips were taken out of that conversation I had with him, particularly a portion when he was talking to me, speaking to me about transgenderism. I explained to him my perspective on transgenderism, that it is a mental disorder.

Shortly thereafter, Ray J, familiar with Ray J, he is a man of many talents. He's a singer, a performer, an actor, an entrepreneur, a business owner, a

messaged me on Instagram and said, Candice, I don't feel, and I'm summing up here, I don't feel that you have the full story. I would love to have a conversation and introduce you to someone who may be able to provide you a wider perspective. And I said, let's do it. I'm in LA and we made it happen virtually overnight. So I'm going to allow Ray J to introduce his guest. First and foremost, Ray J, what inspired you to reach out? Well, first off, just because I've been so involved with the community that we've been doing

not only TV shows, but we've just been vibing and we've been spending a lot of time. And that helped me educate myself on a lot of new things.

And so when I seen the interview and we've talked before and we've always been cool. So I think it's always important if you feel something to like, you know, call your people, see if we can sit down, see if we can debate it. Danielle's here. Like she's one of our stars on a new show, The Girls Club on the Tronics Network. And we're going all in on this show. And I just felt like it was perfect timing. I was like, please hit me back. Right. And then you're in L.A. too. At the same time, it was meant.

It was meant for us to do it. And so just being, and I told you in the DM, just being educated, being educated. Educated. Yeah, that was a new word. Right. And so bridging the gap and getting an understanding. It's always good to talk things through. And so I brought Danielle here because her experience and her life changed.

kind of was mixed in with what you were saying and maybe she can give you a better understanding on what it is or vice versa, you know, but I wanted to create this synergy so we can all talk together. Danielle, welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Very happy to have you here. Also very happy that you were willing to even have a discussion because a lot of times you see people that are on opposing sides do not want to speak. And I think that's guided by a lot of fear and sometimes by a lot of cowardice.

So Danielle, how did you get mixed in with Ray J and what made you want to be here today? Yeah, so I just wanted to double back on that. I fully agree when Ray and the team called me. Obviously, the first emotions that go through your head is, oh my God, I'm scared. Like, I don't know if I'm ready. And to be completely vulnerable, I thought this is

I don't want to use the word easy, but for me as a trans person, and I have been for 20 years, there's been so many conversations that I've had worldwide with people and it's

As like a mature, classy, wise person that I would like to say I am, you understand perspective and it's all how you come at a conversation. So that's why I agreed to be here because I was like, I want to do this for me, for the community and most of all for Raytronics and the Girls Club because we have created something really special. So yeah.

Yeah. So why don't we just start by telling us a little bit about your story? Yeah. So I'm from Perth, West Australia, which is...

What's up, Australia? AKA the Aussie doll. That's what they call me. Perth, West Australia is the most isolated city in the world. So it's basically on the West and everything else you would have heard about is on the East. So I'm growing up in Perth, West Australia. It's kind of like a beach town and a mining town city. Sorry. I want to get my words right. And yeah, my experience as being trans,

dated back to, and I know this is controversial and people are going to be like, when I say it, but the first verbalization of me feeling trans was when I was four. And my mum told me this when I got older because I'd verbalized to her basically that I was comparing myself to my older sister and because I have an older sister and two younger now and just feelings and displaying certain things and

I won't obviously get into every detail because I'll try to summarise, but basically growing up in Perth, it was an experience that I had to take on alone. My parents and family were kind of from the country. West Australian had no idea about anything to do with trans or the LGBTQ. And we've got to remember, because this was 20 years ago and in Australia, the journey was completely on my own back.

So everything that I felt and resonated with, it was up to me to do the research. Everything that I'd seen on the TV was sensationalized and kind of crazy. And we all know, the viewers listening, what I'm talking about, the misrepresentations and things like that. So, yeah, it was a very lonely journey.

You only have to talk to someone in the community to know that I was a trailblazer for what I did because I was literally basically the only one for a while doing what I was doing. And yeah, life's been a journey since then.

And it still is. And now were your parents together? My parents divorced at the age of six and then my mom remarried. So and so did my dad. So I've always had like a biological mother and father and two step parents. And how did your parents deal with you? I guess the first question is, when did you first communicate your feelings about your identity and how did your parents respond to it? So...

And obviously I say this is according to what my mum later told because, to be honest, I don't remember when I was four. I only have like vivid memories maybe from five, six up. But basically what it would be is me and my mum were always particularly really close and just was, you know, always gravitated towards my mum and my mum's, you know, just everything to me. And she would say that she would just, you know, notice things

like certain things that were different to the other kids. And when I'd vocalized to her how I felt and that I kept comparing myself to Ashton and I, that's my older sister, and would talk like even about genitalia, which obviously I didn't understand at that time, but I even physically did things to myself that made no sense kind of like to her in comparison to why I wasn't like my sister when we'd have bath time and things like that. So that was the first verbalization. And then as I got

older, it just got stronger because I was able to verbalize things more. But the interesting thing was, and once again, this is only my experience and I'm just speaking today from a personal experience of being trans. Um, when I was

being really out there with my vocalizations about being trans, all of a sudden when I had realized in school that it wasn't appropriate to be saying those things and it wasn't normal and it was weird or I could be bullied for it, I completely went the opposite and I never brought it up again. So that was kind of like late primary to full high school. It was never a topic to my family ever again until I graduated.

Okay. So a couple of things that I'd like to ask as a follow-up, you answered how your mother felt about it. How did your father feel about it? Because I do think it is relevant that your parents separated when you were six. Yeah, for sure. And they obviously separated for their own reasons. My mother explained to me years later when I had the maturity that

they got a divorce based on just a complete lack of compatibility, you know, and people got married then just kind of because they had to and popped out a few kids. So they knew that when they divorced that they had to do the best for us. My dad is, this is what I like to explain to a lot of people because a lot of people

that see men with their LGBTQ children have kind of a femininity to them or they act in a certain way. My dad is a very staunch Australian. If you've watched Crocodile Dundee, that's the kind of vibe he is. Yeah, like shout out to my dad. He's known as Whitey, the football player in Bunbury. Very young.

you know, just that alpha male. And the thing is for, for, cause I'm going to be honest today, obviously just to get the story right. Obviously my dad struggled with it more than my mom, but what later on came in the years after,

Like later on when we converse was my dad said his issue was it was never accepting and understanding because he could see it with his own eyes my whole life. But it was the communication that he lacked on. So he couldn't talk to me how my mom could. And this is a last follow up question regarding your father. When they got separated, when you were six years old, was he involved in your life? Yeah, they went straight to legal. What's the word? Legal, not maintenance. Where you have to where you.

Like the rights of. You get three days. Yeah. Sorry, I can't think of the word. But yeah, they basically did it straight away that it was by the book. My dad had us every weekend and my mom had full custody for school hours and things like that.

Okay. So Ray J, I want to ask you this because you have young children. I have young children. And so, and I'm glad Danielle, that you were very honest about the fact that your mother told you that when you were four, you said this and had done some things. And so she kind of says this was always there. Yeah. Because I have young children and I know how stupid kids are. And I say that with all love in my heart, but they say ridiculous things all the time. And one of the things that's been concerning to me is to hear socials,

So many celebrities try to, I guess, validate the stupidity of children and pretending and going, well, this must be real. Most certainly what comes to mind, I believe, Charlize Theron had said,

daughter or a son, but the story goes one day in the bathtub, my son or daughter looked up at me and said, mommy, I'm a girl. And that was it. That Charlize Theron then allowed her child to begin transitioning. And that to me sounds like a mental disorder that the parent is suffering for some reason. And a lot of the times I've noticed this trend that it does tend to be single women that sort of encourage this thing. So I'd like to ask you if you're, you have a son. Mm-hmm.

And a daughter. And your son's how old? My son's four. Okay. He's four. Perfect age. My daughter's six. If your son was in a bathtub and your son said anything in the bathtub, dad, I'm a mermaid. Why would you then say, well, this must really mean that my four-year-old toddler, who also thinks he can fly, who also thinks like Santa Claus is real and can squeeze down the chimney. Why is it this thing that people go, oh, well, this must be a sign that

that my child's really struggling with identity? Yeah, I mean, I think that's very early. I would say just me being a new parent, right? And what's crazy about the mermaid thing, my son likes to follow his sister, right? He loves her, and whatever she does...

he wants to do. Same with me back. I used to double Dutch and jump rope before I, you know, started to hang out with my friends. Um, just because I wanted to follow my big sister. She got a mermaid outfit. He wanted one. So I got him a mermaid. He wanted to be a merman. But cause she was in, you know, she was swimming with the merman. So I'm like, all right, you want to be a merman? Then cool. I'll get you one. Um,

But I didn't think of it in the sense of that yet, just because, you know, again, they're young and they're learning things as they go, you know?

And I wanted to piggyback off that as well. Sorry to cut you off. Is with, that was like a really valid question, but I have to state that with my mom, what she did was it wasn't a validation of really how I thought and acted on it straight away. My mom was a listener. So my mom never shut me down for the things that I'd verbalize. But as for like,

counseling and transition that was done way later. And that was never to punish me, but it was always like my mom was like a soundboard, but she never pushed. Yeah. You said you kept it quiet for. Oh yeah. I totally internalized because you see what the world says and you're like, oh sugar, this isn't normal. I'll just be quiet.

Yeah, but I guess what I'm trying to say here is that your mother, even now, even if you're older and you make a decision, for your mother to go back into a memory of something that every child goes through, they just say stupid stuff. They want to be mermaids. They don't even understand. The first time we watched a Disney movie, my son said, I'm a princess. And I said, no, you're a prince.

And now you're seeing this sort of people trying to go backward. And I don't know if they're doing this out of protection or out of love and trying to pretend that they just want to validate the experience that you're having. But I don't feel like, oh, this must be real because you said this started when I was four. The first thing that comes to my head is mommy's got some issues, right? Because it's not like your mother said this before.

you know, whatever you were kidding me, you were a toddler. But then I really noticed this thing when you were 18 years old and you're actually, your brain develops at the age of 26 years old. So that makes me a little bit uncomfortable because I do think, and I do see this pattern of single moms. And also just what you spoke to, you said I had an older sister. This is exactly right. So my daughter will, is much more of a roughhouser because she's following my son who is the oldest. So she grabs swords. She wants to fight. Now I was a tomboy. I went through a phase where I had like,

I think all girls go through this like tomboy phase, but I went through a phase when I was in fifth grade and I was acting, you know, I wanted to just play with the boys, thought the boys were having more fun. I just thank God that this wasn't fashionable at the time. And I know that you're, you're definitely wasn't. Yeah. But now it's like parents are just like, yay. I want my kids to be different and I'm throwing them into this. I want to specify quickly on the four. I use that specifically.

specifically when I'm interviewed, like I said before, I'm going to be really honest. And I use that because that was something that was told to me in a private moment with me and my mum when I was asking her to reflect. But that was just the start. But as you can imagine, there was many other things she started to share with me, like between us, intimate moments of things. Oh, I remember this and that. And that was because I was searching for that

truth. And I'm also a very open-minded person. So I wanted to understand myself better. So I get what you're saying, but it's almost like I have to use that as a benchmark, but it wasn't like you said it at four and then like we actioned it or you said it at four and then never said it again. That was just the start of what she could remember and then moved forward for years. Yeah. But even if she's doing that,

post because she wants to validate the pre, it's still dishonest to me because every parent knows that toddlers just say and do ridiculous things. And so if she's validating that for you now, then my fear is that maybe your mother was validating that for you out of love the entire time. But I want to jump back into your narrative before we talk about those aspects. So you said that when you were in high school, you...

I guess could just elaborate. I don't know if you were saying like you were trans or started saying some trans things and then people made you feel that you couldn't do that. Um, it was basically, um, yeah. So in, in Australia, sorry, it's a little bit different. We have primary and high, so I'm not super sure, but we've got like grade one to grade seven and then grade eight to grade 12. So how old? Um, so it would have been from like the age of 10 to like the age of 17 where I was in the moment. Um,

But I wanted to clarify that I never used the word trans growing up because I didn't have the education of what that word was. How I identified is that I felt like a female, but I just was aware that that wasn't possible at that time.

That's the best way I can put it. I was just like, I'm a girl, but unfortunately that's not matching. And that's just how I, that's all I can verbalize it as. But the reason why other people caught on to that is because every day of my life, people literally were like,

Yeah, like she, her, girl, I would cross the street and they would be like, good morning, ladies. And then everyone would laugh. Like it was this known thing that people weren't being like trans or derogatory things at school, but they were literally like, what the hell are you without using swear words? So that's interesting. So why would somebody...

say good morning girls to you. If you weren't presenting as trans... - That's how feminine I was. - So you were feminine. - In literally a school uniform.

presenting as me, just me, just like whatever was perceived by the public as female. Okay. So I believe that you can be a feminine, you can act feminine. That I totally believe. It wasn't really acting because it was a visual response. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, the lollipop ladies that I'm not sure if y'all have them in America, like with the sticks, like stop, go. So it wasn't like a act of me prancing or anything. It was just the visualization. It was the head. Yeah.

Basically. I've grown up, just growing up, and I've had friends who...

were more feminine in class than, you know, other, you know, people. So we kind of could tell, you know what I mean, even at a young age, what people wanted to be and what people liked. But I still think even in liking and loving, pertaining to like the job at hand, the execution, being on time, making sure the work is done. I think that's, that's,

what matters and I think the privacy of like people's love and affection sometimes to me is TMI to the job at hand and to what we are and what we're all trying to accomplish and our goals. So... But I guess my question is, and I'm agreeing with you actually, we're in radical agreement here because I've gone to school and I've seen boys that are feminine. Yeah, at a young age.

I didn't graduate with a single trans person. Those people did not decide to go trans now. Obviously, there's been explosion of the trans agenda. They were just gay. Very different. And so I would like to know at what point did you go from just being a feminine boy to saying, "No, actually, I think it's more than that and I am needing to change my life." Yeah.

Like I stated before, it was always the internalized thought process. But just because of my intellect at the time, I didn't know the possibilities of how I could execute it. But the feelings were always there. And I guess that I was hoping when I got older, I would be able to gain more resources and more knowledge and it could be possible to

you know, match the outside of how I was thinking. But I want to specify that there was gay people in my school and like y'all both agreed on like feminine gays. And it's so interesting because, and these guys will probably hear this cause they're still on my Facebook, but it was so interesting cause even in little old Perth, Australia, they still identified and treated these gay boys in my class different to me. I was always on the outer. It was like, they were the gays and I was the she.

So even then, with no knowledge and no understanding, there was still being like, it's different because these gay boys weren't like straight gays as we call them. They were feminine gay boys and I was the she. So like you can imagine that if that was the perception, it was matching what I was feeling, but I just wasn't vocalizing it.

So when did you begin to vocalize that? I vocalized it when I was 17. I was very blessed in my family that they allowed me to do grade 11 and 12 at Kingsway Christian College. I was kind of like at a point at the school that I went to that was really rough that I wanted to graduate and my auntie and like

My family were at a local church and they got me into that school, which was really prestigious and stuff. And, you know, I could knuckle down and do my studies and graduate. And throughout that time, and especially being around like devout Christians and going to church and doing Bible study and things like that, I just knew how I felt and knew what I needed to do. So a platform from like literally legal age. So when I graduated in Australia, it falls on you becoming 18. Yeah.

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So I'm going to cut to you, Ray J, because we've all been 17 before. We've all been teenagers. I would almost say that you could qualify the teenage experience as just an identity crisis, like one long identity crisis. You're trying to figure out literally who you are. Yeah. That is what adolescence is.

And that's why I say, quite jokingly, but kind of also seriously, bring back cigarettes because now there are just an explosion of children who think they're non-binary, think they're transgendered. No matter how you estimate it, you know that there were not this many people that were struggling. They didn't all become transgendered. And so part of this is becoming a contagion, a social contagion. You think? Well, social contagion is real, right? So if you see me smoking cigarettes, everybody starts smoking cigarettes. I mean, that was the reason why cigarettes got popular.

But sometimes when you hit the cigarette and you try to smoke it, you can't inhale it. So you talk like. We stopped out cigarettes. So there used to be the majority of people in America were smoking cigarettes and it was because of advertising. Right. So people were looking. The doctors were telling them it was healthy. Smoke on the plane. Exactly.

So that used to be a thing in America. And then dial it back, they did the exact thing, the reverse marketing. And we were suddenly running in school. Everyone did the DARE program. And they kind of stomped out cigarette smoking. With the dog. Yeah. They kind of smoked out. They stomped out cigarette smoking in America. And that's actually a joke that Europeans make. Americans don't smoke cigarettes.

That's why I love London.

If your child came to you at 17, Raijay, and said, I am born into the wrong body and I want to take puberty blockers, what would you say?

Well, as a parent, my kids are four and six. You don't really know how you're going to react. But I know for me, I want to be the parent. My kids, I want them to be able to tell me anything. Like the darkest, the most complicated, like what they're really going through internally, externally. So I would be super open for super support, right? That's the kind of dad I am.

Even with my son, he's four. But there's been times where he's been around and we were shooting, whether it's a movie or something, and there was a lot of women around. And he said, Dada, I love the girls. Right. And I went, OK, got it. I mean, I don't know if I should bring him in now because you're only four. So I wouldn't do that. But hey.

That's what you like right now. You came to me and said it. You even told your mom, where are the girls at that in front of moms? I said, son, we got, you know, and so I would just be there for them. And I think as as society grows and as everybody gains more knowledge about

And, you know, you have friends, right? I have friends. I have friends that are straight. I have friends that are gay. I have friends that are trans. And these are my close friends. And so I don't, me personally, I don't care. But I also understand that it's for them to make the choice, not for them to be

programmed into a choice that they might not be familiar with and they're just following the trend, right? So that's the, that's where, you know, you straddle the line with everything with marketing and promo. But for me, I mean, I'm in full support of whatever my kids want to do. And, you know, Heroin? Well, I mean, not that. Pornography?

Not that. That's not compatible. But I'm saying, like. He said I'm in full support of whatever my kids want to do. And it is comparable. No, no, meaning like, but no, meaning like if they were doing that, please come tell me. Yeah, right. So I can help you. Like, don't push me out to where you don't feel comfortable with telling your dad that you got a problem, right? So, yes, I will be in full support of listening to them and helping them. So as honest as they can be, I want to be the dad.

to make them feel like anytime I'm going down, anytime I'm going up, whatever, I'ma always hit my dad and tell him what's going on.

You know, I'd like to. Yeah, I would love to say I would love for you to comment on that because you said it's not comparable to your kid participating in pornography. It's not comparable to your kid doing heroin. Right. Why would you say? I just wanted to piggyback as well off the cigarette. Like I'm giggling in my head because it's true. I have to agree with you. It's like even like in my hometown, it's just, whoa, all of a sudden everyone's a smoker. Where did that come from? So I did it.

kind of giggle at that point, but I want to just make it very clear. And I'm going to open up a can of worms here because let's be honest. And I said at the start of the interview, I'm trans and I'm speaking for myself. So I'm an individual. So you might be with me and be like, okay, like she's got some points or whatever, whatever. And someone else could come across as literally crazy to you. So once again, I can only speak from my perspective, but I want to make it very clear that I

There's two points. So with the whole, where did all this trans and non-binary come from? We have to remember that as a society, we are forever evolving. And sometimes that's in not the best ways, let's be honest, because sometimes the world's becoming something that we wish it wasn't. But

also we were in a place of not only oppression, but where people were, it's like that silence or the gag order where you can't speak up depending on jobs and discrimination and serving for the country, whatever it may be. So a lot of people, it's been documented that we're suffering, we're suffering in silence and they weren't able to do what we can now because we live in a world where it's more accepted. But to people,

piggyback over that point, I also want to make a statement that as a trans person myself, I'm shocked sometimes because I see all these people now that are under the trans umbrella and I say the trans umbrella because that shocks me sometimes, um,

um where they're like I'm trans and I will see them in public like hiking presenting as a boy with a beard and I'm shook so you would say that's not me so they're not being so they're not being transparent I don't want to make it like a physicality thing because I know people instantly read people like me saying I've got pretty privilege I'm passing privilege I'm white

privilege and all these other privileges, but it's not about that for me. What it's about is that I want people to understand that being trans, and if you truly are trans, it's a journey that should happen between you and your parents and, you know, the medical practitioner. And it shouldn't be something that's sensationalized in a circus ad. It should be down to the individual. And I feel like if you hit all those points and it's meant to be, there would be less.

So I can kind of agree with what you're saying in that sense, because when I sit in the room with someone else that claims trans and I'm like looking at them like, come on, be for real. But now I can't even say that. So some people are faking it. Well,

It's just a social contagion, which is what I was saying. So social contagions are real. But I want to specify on that it's a social contagion for that. I can understand what you're saying, but that's for the people that are adding on to the community that I don't feel are genuine. I feel like that's the difference. So I would disagree with that. And I disagree virtually with Bill Maher on everything. But even he did a segment. Obviously, he's on the left. He's, I guess you consider himself to be an ally of the LGBTQ plus community. And he showed a map of

transgenderism across the United States. And he said, "Well, if this is not a social contagion, can you explain to me why so many kids in L.A. are trans and yet kids in Ohio?" And he showed it on the map and he's -- Well, that shows you it's a social contagion. Because if this was real -- -But were they truly trans? Or is this, like, a survey that's done by -- -Well, it just shows you that where you live. -That's what I'm -- -But what -- -If it's impacting -- If he's able to do this map and, you know, if somebody could actually pull that map up, we can actually insert it here. Let's just actually show a clip here of what Bill Maher said.

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According to a recent Gallup poll, less than 1% of Americans born before 1946, that's Joe Biden's generation, identify that way. 2.6% of boomers do, 4.2% of Gen X, 10.5% of millennials, and 20.8% of Gen Z, which means if we follow this trajectory, we will all be gay in 2054. If you attend a small dinner party of typically very liberal, upper-income Angelenos,

It is not uncommon to hear parents who each have a trans kid having a conversation about that. What are the odds of that happening in Youngstown, Ohio? If this spike in trans children is all natural, why is it regional? Either Ohio is shaming them or California is creating them.

Okay, so just to bring back to session, I'll get that clip to you later where he shows the map of the trends where transgenderism is happening. And obviously in that clip, he's talking about puberty blockers. And you said you were 17, that you then realized there was something else that was going on with you. But, you know, just speaking about the development of the human brain, your brain is literally not developed at 17 years old, right? You are not a formed person at 17. 17-year-old Ray J, 17-year-old Candace. Think about how much...

I started at 18. Sorry, I just wanted to specify. 17 was grade 12 for me. And then I started at 18. And in Australia, 18 is legal, not 21. Legal and brain development are two totally different things. For sure. So you can go to war, all that stuff. But I mean, kids are drinking at 15. That's totally fine. Which I don't support, by the way. Right. But just to be clear, your brain is not fully, like the human mind is not fully developed until 26 years old. Right. I think the experience of the human gets better.

So your experience makes you have more knowledge, right? Right. Doesn't mean that you aren't your greatest at 18 and 19 and 20, you know, those are the moments. And I was in full knowledge of like my thoughts and in control over that because you have to remember to take it back.

this is not a decision that I made like some random, like, oh, you know what? I want to be a girl at 17 and start at 18. To me, I'm too smart for that. That's reckless. I don't think that that's wise. Like you've got to marinate in the decision. And that's what I would, the advice that I give to people all the time. This is not something that you click your fingers for. This for me was over a decade. So when I made my choice at 18, I totally get what you're saying with brain development. But for me, it was just,

finally time because I had all of that time. And this is a lifestyle. Like I told you, this was, I didn't even care that other people were calling me she and her 24 seven because I knew how I felt. But that was, you liked that. Of course I did. But, but also embarrassment came with that. Cause I was all, you know, the kids would laugh. When did you decide to do the first,

full change? The full change was at 19 and a half, a year and a half later. So you went from this is my decision at 17, 18 to I'm going to go under the knife and did you get bottom surgery? No, that was my first surgery. I had breast augmentation and then a few years after that I had SRS, which is

also known as being post-op trans or sex change or gender reassignment surgery. There's so many different names. Why did you choose and as your first surgery to get breast augmentation? To be honest, and I will be very honest about this,

When I got breast augmentation, I felt like it was almost like something that I needed for a visualization of a female. Like it's sensationalized in the sense that, oh, I want large breasts because that'll make me more beautiful. And yeah,

I'm proud of myself that many years later that I can look back and kind of be like, I actually didn't need that because I had hormone breast growth of the equivalent to like a B carb and I was actually had like great breasts. Okay. So that's interesting. So you're at the same time that you're saying that you were able to make this mature decision to go under the knife or to recognize that you were not

male, I guess would be if I'm I hope I'm yeah, okay. You're also admitting that you did something Kind of childish right? I mean to say I need big boobs. I'm a girl childish that I I wouldn't do that I'm an actual woman I wouldn't do that because that just sounds to me like someone who's playing dress-up like that just sound definitely not because it wasn't a cost but that is because the first thing if you genuinely thought like this is who I am and

the first thing you do is get boobs. That's to me just like, this is what it means to be a girl. But we're talking about surgically the first thing I did. But that to me is a costume because women have all different breast size. There are some women that are completely pancakes, some that have huge boobs. I got a new sock and now I've got a titty for me. But that's why I take ownership over the fact that what I'm saying is not being a costume and

not copying anyone or anything like that. It was a decision made by me that I thought I needed and it wasn't any deep regret. It was just later on I was like, I just don't need that size because I knew I needed. But the thing is we have to be specific that my...

my own friends that are born female have the same thing. Like my best friend literally hates her implants, but she's not a costume. But she's doing that for a different reason. And this kind of gets to my point. You said that after, and I want to slow this down because I'm making a point that I'd like you to understand.

you said that once you realized that you were a female, you felt that you were a female and you were in the wrong body. The first thing you did was do something that does not make someone a female, right? That you just were like, I'm going to get boobs. So that to me shows a tremendous immaturity, right?

Now, when other women do this, they're just like, I want to look like Kim Kardashian. This is a trend. But they're not doing it because they're going, I'm not a woman. Do you get what I mean? Yeah, because my best friend literally got implants because she, and I quote, she was like, I feel like a boy because I've got no boobs. That's literally what she said. And some people were like...

Like, I don't mind little breasts or big breasts, but women want to go get... And that's what they say. But they're doing that because it's... They attach it to masculinity. But you're saying masculinity and femininity are two different things. Right. They don't attach it to whether or not they are, in fact, a... Like, they would never go to the doctor and say, if I don't get these boobs, I'm a male. No, but I didn't think that. I was talking about aesthetically pleasing. That was my point. But that actually... Oh, my gosh, I love that. I want the breasts. Yeah, that's fine. So, like...

That's fine. I just want to say this. That to me is, to me, that's,

A costume and that's why I call and this is why I feel that it's woman face. It's it's an idea. It's like This is what I believe women are because i'm scrolling through and i'm giving you a modern example Obviously instagram was not around when you were doing this i'm scrolling through instagram and I think that the hottest girl on instagram is Sophia ritchie. So what do I have to do to look like sophia ritchie? And that's going to make me a woman that to me is woman face, right?

That doesn't make, so yes, you're saying there's aesthetics to it and that is the reason why you will see women all across LA. It's like standard practice. They will get there. It's the aesthetic. Exactly. For me, once again, because I can only speak from a personal point of view, it was the aesthetic of it. Just like my girlfriend, like I stated, that's how she felt as a born female. But

the costume for me because you're using that and that is something that gets thrown around in our community. I want to specify how I see the costume because I actually agree with that terminology and I hate when people treat being trans like a costume because they do do it but it's just not in that scenario. A costume to me is how I specified before where people are going around saying I'm trans and they want to reap the benefits of being a trans person

let's say activists or getting jobs as a trans spokesperson, whatever it may be, and then you see them at the corner store and it's like literally like, whoa, did you detransition overnight? That's what I see as a costume. So they went back to being... Well, it's just what she said. It can be a costume. But for me, this isn't a costume. I can't rip it all off. I know I've got, I'm in glam now because I love glam and, you know, I like to feel and look good, smell good, whatever, whatever. But at home, no makeup on, hair up in a bun is giving...

woman is giving what it is. Okay. So it's not a costume. You genuinely believe that you're a woman? 100%.

Do I think I'm a born female biological woman? Absolutely not. I'm a trans woman and I'm well aware that I'm not a biological woman. And I want to make that statement very loud because that's where it gets crossed and where I think trans people need to come to the table is understanding that and letting biological women know that we're well aware we're trans women. And if people are

out there saying anything otherwise, that's something that I don't want to back. - Right? So now we're bridging the gaps. - Right. - Now we're bridging the gap, Candace. - Yeah. I'm well aware of who I am and what I am. - Now we're getting somewhere with this. - Do you, Ray J, believe that Danielle is a woman?

Yes. I've never once, even every time we talk, I've always said Danielle. She I'm that's that's what it is like. And all of my friends that are in the community. I mean, we have a whole agency. Right. Shout out to Tarod and Dump and D. It's the full agency. Right. And then we have the girls club. Right. So there's different layers and different layers.

different things that people like to do in their world that they like to be outside of work. But when we all come to work, everybody's on time, everybody's on point. What happens after work? I mean, you know what I'm saying? I could only imagine what some of my other friends do, some of my friends

boom operators and camera guys, they real freaks, right? So who knows what they doing? All I know is that when we did the girls club, we shot it in the girl hills. It was a lot of intense drama. Everybody was trying to tell their story. So it got really dramatic and it was a lot of like physical altercation. So we had to call another security team in. Security team got there

And the security team ended up falling in love with all the girls there. So they never left.

So the security team would hang out with the girls after the set. And when it was 8 o'clock call time, they just got out of bed and went to work, got dressed, right? Because everybody started locking in. And that showed me that, you know, people after work and people in their own time is going to love doing what they do. So I just want to be clear. Danielle, I think you're a very—

Kind person you're very open person. I'm just so happy that you won't have this discussion Ray J when you say that you believe And shout out to the security team you believe that Danielle is a woman you believe that I am a woman I believe like she said, you know, she's a trans woman Okay, and she made it very clear that they understand the difference But if someone is the difference, that's why I'd like it answer AJ Ray J. What is the difference?

Well, I would say what's the difference is what you have, like what's on you, you know what I mean? And there is really no difference but what your preference is outside of work, outside of us coming together and working.

doing what we need to do to finish the goal at hand. No, but what is the difference between me and Danielle? She's a trans woman and you're a biological woman. Is that what? Yeah, because I'm still being, I'm getting educated every day on it, right? Right, I asked a lot of questions. But you're getting educated on speech rather than being educated on

what you know to be right and wrong. - Well, no, not right and wrong. I just know what's the difference. - So if you have to differentiate, and I'm glad that you are, 'cause I do think that that's much more respectful than where a lot of people are coming from.

who I self-identify as transgendered. But if you have to delineate, if you have to say, I'm a trans woman and Candace is a woman, then that necessarily means that we are not the same, right? We are something different. I think everybody is different. Every human is different. Nobody's the same. Yeah, I agree.

And I feel like even I wanted to double on that point is with intersex, let's be honest, a lot of people just back in the day used to say hermaphrodite and now it's known as intersex. Hermaphrodite. Hermaphrodite and then now grammatically correct is intersex. Grammatically correct. Yeah. And I'm learning too, mind you, because I had to learn what intersex was. Because hermaphrodite is when you got... When you're born with basically both organs or...

XY chromosomes mixed and things like that. So it's more, it's not just, I'm going to take a hormone. It's actually the way you're born. So what does that mean? So that basically, it makes the topic of trans actually more complex because a lot of people now that are intersex identify under the trans umbrella. So it can get very tricky in conversation because one point I wanted to make is that I have often,

I've often wondered, and maybe we could film this one day, because I actually don't know, but my family have actually pulled me aside and said, based on, you know, the way I look, moving my whole journey, that they wanted to get a test to see if I was actually intersex because it would make more sense.

with my whole journey, the way I look and the way that my life has unfolded. But it's a very expensive test from what I've heard and I never had that done. Yeah. And to be clear. And that's when it does start to change because as you can imagine and even from a religious standpoint, because I've had this conversation with Christian women before, does that then make it different because it's actually –

is how you're born versus a lot of people saying it's a choice. - Yes. - But like, Candace, we might be missing a chromosome. Like there might be a-- - I might be and I don't even know. - You know what I'm saying? There might be one chromosome missing in certain humans that we ain't paying attention to. That's why we bridging the gap today.

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It is plausible. Very, very, very small minority of people who are literally born hermaphrodites. Yeah, it's a small percentage. That is considered a genetic anomaly, right? So something goes wrong and you can be born with two parts. That something has gone wrong. But why can't it just be right for that person? Yeah, because I feel like wrong is an interesting one. Well, genetic anomalies happen. Like if everything goes right. But isn't that God? Like if me and her was attached together, are we wrong?

see i feel like that is that is also something when something goes wrong this is why you know like the excited twins and they're they have to have these surgeries and they're and they're you know organs can be mixed and it is a it's a risk i don't think wrong it is but something goes wrong when somebody is born intersects wrong because it's like but we all believe yeah we all believe that they got i've seen a snake and had two heads but i feel like that could also be god's creation because i'm i'm not saying the

person being alive is wrong. I am saying that genetically speaking, there are tons of things that can go wrong. It's like, you know, people when something happens because of who you're married to and your genes are lining up in a different way and some people can be born. Special. Blind in one eye. This, that, this, you know, there are tons of things. One of my dogs was blind, but he was moving around. People are born different. He was biting people. Okay, but that is not, intersex is not transgenderism because

Transgenderism, everything has gone just right. And at some point in that person's life, they just make a decision to say that I want to start living as this opposite sex that I was not born as. And that is why I say this is a mental disorder. OK, I don't view an intersex person as having a mental disorder. But can I view but I view a transgendered individual as having a mental disorder. And so I'll ask you a question. Is Rachel Dollaz a black person?

Pardon? Is Rachel Dollazel Black. Rachel Dollazel, if you're not familiar, is the woman who was wearing dark makeup and was leading the NAACP, had grown her hair out kinky into an afro, and then it turned out that her parents spoke out, and she's basically as white as they come, and she just was dressing every day as a black person and passing as black and leading the NAACP. Yeah. Wow.

And everyone in the community. I don't know her, so I don't want to comment on that. No, I want you to comment because it's very simple. I feel like that's inappropriate. And I feel like going back to what you said before, that is a perfect example of costuming. Well, yeah.

Because that seems very unfair and it feels judgmental because to me, if you're going to say that you felt that despite the fact that you were born a male and that you felt on the inside that you were something else. And then you went through steps to present as that something else. And then when I say, what about Rachel Dolezal? Rachel Dolezal says that she felt her whole life.

that she was born in the wrong skin color and that these weren't really her parents and like she was black. And so she started presenting as black. I just don't see how you can be ideologically consistent because no one will accept rich dollars though, because that's blackface. How could you say this? But you're sitting here like, well, I demand that I get, you know, that like, and I'm saying you as the larger community, I don't think you're being demanding at all in this moment. But,

it's just, do you see the hypocrisy of saying that a woman can't just like, why can't a white girl think she's black? I get what you're saying. And I see how people would compare that. But my thing is, once again, is when we want to have conversations about things, it's never just an umbrella. And that's why when I hate, when people say that it has to be down to the individual. So as a, as a mature, smart,

lady and you're telling me this and I'm comprehending that, I'm already understanding it for what it is. And that's why every case is different because that's no different. It's a very easy question. Is Rachel Dollars a black? But that, but I, you know what? I watched something on, I think Fox and it was, they asked a transgender guy about it and he was stuck on the question when they said,

If I said I was black, I think Piers Morgan said it. And he said, so if I say I'm black, do you consider me black? And he, I said that to you. He was stuck and he didn't know what to say because, because I think that the, it's tricky now with race and gender, right? It's very, and I think that, but here's the thing, the fact that that's a, that question kind of stops, uh,

the answers from flowing because you gotta play we need to elaborate more on that we need to we need to like we need to figure out how to think how to really understand that question yeah well because that's being asked and it kind of shuts everything that's but there's a reason it shuts everything down because it's not a tricky question you she

Like literally in four seconds, Rachel Dolezal said that she was black, that she lived this way. She had a great job at the NAACP fighting for black causes. Suddenly her parents speak out. Everyone can see that her parents are very white. And then they showed a picture of Rachel Dolezal. It turns out this is like a blonde haired woman.

Scottish girl. I mean, and... What if she was around black people for all her life? Well, that's my point, right? So, and the reason why you guys are struggling to answer this is because what it does is it presents... I'm not struggling to answer it. Yeah, you said Rachel Dollazal is not black. Yeah, she's not black and also I feel like it's cause she said she was black and she's black. Yeah, okay. And would I disrespect her for that, though?

Killer Poon Poon. I got to call me the name I want. At least you're being consistent. You're not being consistent. So at least you're saying that, yes, any person can just say whatever they are and we have to accept it. If they feel deep down and they went through middle school and they felt that they were black,

Then we have to suddenly pretend. But I'm not saying that I would disrespect her for saying like, I wouldn't be like, you're not because to be honest, that's got nothing to do with me. But if you ask the question, it is costumey. And that's going back to what we said before, which is a major issue is that the lines get blurred because of being a costume and trans is not a costume. It's not a cloak. When I take this off, but the thing is, once again, it still comes down to the individual person.

And that is what it is, because I want to say that the thing that I get thrown at me all the time, which people obviously think hurts me and it doesn't, it's laughable, is people are like, okay, you say you're trans. Well, I'm a unicorn or I'm a cloud. I mean, it's ridiculous. How is it comparable?

Well, I'm like, okay. We do currently have children that are saying that they are trans species. So that's a reality. There are kids that are saying that they're cats, that they're dogs. We have to respect that. At least you're being ideologically consistent. At least you're being consistent. And that's fair. I'm not saying he's wrong. But you said Rachel Dollazer wasn't black. No, but what I'm saying is... We are living in a society where we have rules and regulations, right? And we have...

government. We go to jail when we do wrong, right? So it is the wild, wild west. So there's things that get better and people get more honest. And then there's also people who abuse the honesty because now it's changing into something that's like...

the end thing, there's people who are really in it for real. And then there's people who are just kind of, yeah, imitators. Yeah, imitators. But you're not an imitator. Like you went through the whole thing. Exactly. And I know who I am and it's not a joke and it's not a costume. And I wanted to double back on something really important. And obviously it's your opinion, so I don't even want to be disrespectful on it. But I know a lot of times you've stated that, um,

you know, trans being transgender, cause I don't like the word transgenderism is a mental disorder, but you know, that the APA states that it's not a mental disorder at all. And they're psychiatrists, they're trained psychiatrists. And I knew you probably knew I'd bring this up, but you know, the APA states that it's not a mental disorder at all. So that's the American psychiatric association and also the world health order. And what,

they state is that it's actually just obviously gender dysphoria and then the description from gender dysphoria is the feeling of distress from gender dysphoria but then the interesting thing about this and I want to bring this to you because this is you know I know that's your statement and that's mine but what's interesting even about that to show how everyone is so unique is I don't even have gender dysphoria anymore because I don't ever feel or walk around feeling like a guy let

So see how it's so... Like gender dysphoria. So gender dysphoria. We're all getting educated. Yeah, so gender dysphoria is when trans people feel dysphoric about their gender. So in the sense of a trans woman being like, oh my God, I feel manly today. I feel like a guy. I feel like blah, blah, blah. And it brings them down. And that's what causes feelings of distress. And that's why it's not considered a disorder because it's a feeling of anxiety about

that thing about you. But for me to double on that, I'm like, but I don't wake up and ever see a guy feel like a guy. So I don't have gender dysphoria. So everything and every individual is different. And that's why I'll always preach that point, but it's not a disorder. I don't have a mental disorder.

Like I don't even think about this on a day-to-day basis, but I am willing to come to the forefront and speak about trans rights and transness because I am. But I always want to show people worldwide that you can clearly see we're all different and we have different backgrounds. Like I wish some of the guys that, you know, that are –

like in love and infatuated in this relationship i wish they would come out and be like yo this is what it is because some of them are my friends and i'm like you whenever you feel like it but you not wrong and i'm not gonna say nothing to none of the homies but y'all gotta speak up too and just come out and love and hug and love is that like a zero and show the compatibility yeah

What y'all like and what what what's going on in the real world? Yeah, so I just want to go way back because there's there I do feel there was this intentional speeding through the Rachel dollars a point before we get to the psychological which there's a reason why the APA which is in charge of Psychology is even commenting on this issue because they know that it's a psychiatric issue. They wouldn't have to comment on it so

Rachel Dalzo, I want to go back to that because this is a very important point. And I do feel you're peddling past because you realize this. I know who that is. I don't know. I slashed him back. Okay, well, it doesn't matter. Let's say any individual. This is an individual who is committed and living as a black person when in fact they were born with parents that are whiter than snow. So nobody was black.

No, nobody, not even a drop of, not even like, I'm pretty sure I've seen this on like Botched or something. A Spanish song, probably never got listened to a Spanish song. It was not even a drop. I know among the lines of what you're talking about because I think I've seen it on Botched or whatever. You instantly said,

instantly said and have held to the point that Rachel Dolezal is not a black person. So if Rachel Dolezal is not a black person, but believes that she is a black person on the inside, what is Rachel Dolezal suffering from? So for me personally, like I will say once again, because I don't know her story, but based on what you're telling me, I will go back to the point every time that what it sounds like is that she's costuming. That's what it is to me. If Rachel believes she's black,

that's not only not my place to comment on, I don't know that girl, so it doesn't bother me. But if someone doesn't believe in what she's doing is right, if it's publicized or whatever, that's their opinion. But do I think that she has a mental disorder? My answer is, who am I to even comment on that? Because I'm not a psychologist. Let me just finish. I have no idea. I agree with you about Rachel Balazs. She is costuming. Right. But does she have a mental disorder?

If you are living your life as something that you are not and you believe inside of you that you are this, she's not hurting anybody, but she is suffering from a mental disorder. Now, this is where things get tricky. So you and Rachel Dolezal are actually...

embodying the exact same thing, right? Both of you believe... Please don't put me in that box. But that anybody watching this is going, this is a very valid point. Both of you believe that you are something that you are not and you have gone through extremities to live as something that you are not. But that's a copy.

You're not. But this is a costume. And that's my point. Everything you are saying to Rachel Dolezal, you could say to yourself. Right. Rachel Dolezal could share a story. Let me just get this out. Rachel Dolezal could share a story and say, you know, from the time I was a kid when I was four, my mom looked down at me and said that you were showing characteristics of being black. And then when I was in school, everyone was like, Rachel, kind of like.

You know, one of the black people. But she was kind of thick, too, right? Yeah, Rachel was kind of thick. That's what I'm saying. I remember. No, no, no, I do. I like you. I'm like, hey. You got to, you know, you look like a black girl. I remember. I know Rachel. And then next thing you know, Rachel, at 17 years old, was going to Christian school and was like, you know what? I'm ready to do the first thing. And so Rachel, Rachel went and got her hair cornrowed. So she said she was mixed. She got her hair cornrowed. She just didn't like me. No, and then she started wearing the makeup, getting tanned, all this stuff. And then next thing you know, Rachel Dollazzo fully believed. Right.

And so I'm out here like justice for Rachel Dolezal, because if you're out here saying that you're a woman, then Rachel Dolezal has every right to be a black person. And the reason why Rachel Dolezal, that case study makes you uncomfortable is because it hits the truth. It hits an objective reality, which is that you cannot just say because you're willing to get surgery or because you're willing to do your hair a certain way or that you're, or that you're willing to wear makeup, that you are something that you're not. Now that said, I don't have an issue. Like

There's nothing that you're doing. I think this is where it gets mixed up, where people pretend there's some attack happening or we're saying that, you know, you need to be put into camps. No, I think actually you're a very nice person. You're just not a woman and you're never going to be a woman. But I know that. Right. Exactly. I wanted to make that point. But people weaponize that. See, people people love being like, you're not a woman. And I'm like, yeah, cool. Great point. I agree.

And then where do they go? See, they're weaponizing it because they want to put us down. Like, you're not a real girl. You never will be. Yeah, I'm aware. I have a mother and three sisters. Like, I'm well aware. And I'm okay with that. And I love the way I am. And even with Rachel, to go back to your point, if Rachel wants to be that way, go ahead, girl. Get your life. That's what I'm saying. So it's not me being contradictory. Because the question was, yes, I feel she's costumey. But girl, get your life. If you want to do that, do it. But...

it always comes back to us being delusional, but we're not, we know we're not biological women. So it's scored. And then see now we can all be friends. We can all go out. I want to ask you a question because, because I actually find your energy, like, you know, like I feel like you're a strong woman, you're wise, you're intellectual. And I actually get good energy off you. I'm like an energy kind of gal. And I want to ask you in, I know it's only been a short time, but us conversing and, you know, I can tell you're listening when I'm talking about my upbringing and

stuff do you see me as like a woman a trans woman and stuff or do you see me as like he and like a costume I think that you're wearing a costume okay and do you see me as a boy or do you think I mean I just do you think so I just think that we've adopted these words I think that you have gender dysphoria you feel happier and

I'm more meaning physicality because obviously you've listened. Any person. I could get Ray J. Oh, no way. No, but I'm saying like, you know, you could. Have you seen X-Men? I mean, Charlize Theron. But I'm more asking physicality.

But even without makeup, like I can get photos and sent you with me with no makeup, no editing, whatever. I'm more mean like in the sense, cause this is also a huge topic that, and in the trans community, we call it being real or being passable. Those are just like street languages. And yeah,

you know, it doubles back to the fact that I don't sit on a couch at a restaurant or at a bus stop or whatever and be like trans or whatever. I actually passed as a biological female. So then it becomes my responsibility to every day educate people that I am trans. And that's usually out of respect because I like to be honest with men. I don't like to, you know, deceive anyone or lie or whatever. But my thing is, is if we were having a conversation and it wasn't about this and we were just vibing or if I went to your church and stuff,

Like you're not looking at me as like a boy or like Glenn Ryan glam well if to be fair I since I knew you were coming here I thought it's not a question to ask because but to be clear there are tons of Especially today you could literally look at somebody on the internet and never know that they lived at opposite sex Yeah, and that's that or they were born as as the sex that they're not presenting rather is the best better way to say it but to me I

I don't know, like for me, I think that it's just dishonesty. Do you know what I mean? - If you're not being honest. - If you're not being honest. - Like one time, and I ain't never told nobody this, but I put on a wig one time, right? - Yo. - So when I put on the wig, because I was trying to get into this other character, so I put on the wig, I looked in the mirror and I went, "Oh my God." And I was attracted to me. - Yo. - So I took the wig off real fast. - Right as the key. - And I went, "What just happened?"

He was in character. I didn't know what happened, but I was like... It's true though. Because I had it on and I went like that because it was in my eye. So I went like that and I took it off because I was attracted to me. Y'all. And I love me, but I didn't know I love me like that.

Like, I look good. So I never did it again. I'm so happy that you shared that. Yeah, I don't know why, but I felt like it's good to just be vulnerable here. But yeah, that's what happened to me. This is a safe space. Yeah, thank you. I'm sure you'd make a gorgeous woman. You would make a gorgeous woman. No, I just liked me. I was like, damn.

And then I went, oh, that's me. I think one of the things that when conservatives are speaking with people on this issue and people think that it's so hardcore and some of the, I guess, belligerence that I think people are sensing and there is a belligerence there and the belligerence is...

Coming from the fact that what used to be a very small minority of people who were suffering from gender dysphoria Has now been mainstreamed and it's become a social contagion and I feel particularly responsive to it because I did set sit down with a person named Brianna I don't know if you had time to watch this Interview that I did Brianna is still Identifies as transgender. He was very kind he and I sat down and he

Basically reached out to me because he like you decided to go through the procedure things went very wrong Yeah, Briana Ivey. Yeah, and at the end of the day Brianna realized he was just a gay guy and basically fell into the trap of meeting seeing people online seeing these shows that were produced who made them think it was gonna be this easy thing and you were gonna be happier on the other side when the majority of the people actually aren't we know for a fact that

suicide rates increase after transitioning, which they don't share. And so it feels to me, and especially, and I can ask this to you, Ray J, because you're presenting a show here and you're going to contribute to this culture of people thinking, just like Brianna Ivey did, that this is just, oh, this is a decision that's going to be super easy. And this is just actually who you are. This is who you were born. And this is who you can be. And that to me is just such a demonstrable lie. And it's a lie that's hurting children.

You know, children are wanting to be like Ray J and thinking that this is cool and I'm going to hang out with some trans people and it's going to be dope. And they're having their entire lives. Like that was the only time I almost cried on my show was when Brianna was just boohoo crying, sharing how deformed he is, how he wished he had heard voices like mine saying, like, you need to.

wait because you are going down a path and you're paying attention to culture, which is just trying to sell you the newest cigarette. Listen to your heart, right? And listen to the education that, like, hopefully now we can provide. We have the Gagency. We have Gate RPR. I have Ray Pride, which is a C3.

And I think we have the girls club. And I think it's just having these conversations where people who are straight and people who are gay, people who are trans, they can all just sit down and just talk it through, right? As you watch that, you start to understand and get educated on a lot of different things. And I think that's the most important is being able to have these conversations with different people who have different

different opinions and different perspectives on life coming together. And we're able to have this debate and these understandings. And even if the first two or three debates don't go right, the fifth one might, you know, the sixth, the sixth or seventh one might, as long as we give each other time, because everybody's here now, everybody's and everybody's strong.

the communities are strong, you know, the LGBTQ is extremely strong and they're supportive and they're down to support people who are willing to understand. Same with the straights. And I say the straights now because I've been, right. It's the, you know, the straights. Right. And, you know, um,

And that's just because I've been in both worlds a lot lately. And I feel good. I feel good that we're all able to talk. I feel good that we're able to sit and have this debate without it going way to the left or way to the right. Right. And I think we need more of this. Yeah. And I wanted to double on his point as well, because Ray doesn't even understand sometimes

as, you know, he's the CEO of Tronics and Ray's just going to be Ray, but he doesn't understand the power and impact in a positive way he has on us because we're able to be very hands-on with this network and show and we're able to come around and have access to someone like Ray that's a producer that most people in cast just do it and get turfed or, you know, it's like shows over, see you later. We've been able after the show has wrapped to be able to have

intense, personal, private, whatever conversations with Ray and really talk about real things. I mean, my experiences, I mean, I got, yeah, like we talk about everything. We have some loud things that I think we can continue to elaborate on. Yeah. And I wanted, we all grow together. Yeah. And I wanted to make a point as well that we don't sit there and get told what we want to hear. Some of these conversations are hard to have.

There might be disagreements. Sometimes people, not saying Ray, but might say something offensive. So it's not them just sitting in the room telling us trans girls what we want to hear. You know, and I had a lot of things that I had things that happened to me that that that shocked me and that y'all helped guide me through that we can elaborate on later because I don't want to go too viral. But, you know, yeah.

but you know it is always good to be able to talk and disagree agree and it's

not intensely uncomfortable, but it's fun. And I think there's just a level of respect and you having us on today just speaks volumes on like, you know, you and what you represent and how you've given us the opportunity to talk and debate and get an understanding because a lot of people, you know, listen to you. A lot of people are supportive of the trans community, the gay community, and together

Bridging the gap, at least just for mutual understanding and respect from all sides is really strong. And I always think being respectful is super important. And I'm grateful that you guys respect that. You know, my opinions haven't changed on the issue. And one of the biggest reasons I wanted to communicate to you from the conservative community and why we feel like we have to be.

so strong on... And the conservative community meaning the straight community or just the conservative community? Politically conservative. And the reason why this matters so much, especially deeply for those of us who have kids and see what's happening in the school system, is because at the moment that you say that there is no objective reality, everything becomes possible. And some people hear that and they're like, yay, Disney World, everything becomes possible. But the reality is, is that if you say there's no such thing as a male and there's no such thing as a

female and anybody can decide what they are when they want. They can say, I'm a different race. I'm transracial. You know, I'm transsexual. I'm transgendered. Then eventually and very quickly, we will wind up at people saying that, and there have been examples of this, people saying that they're actually a different age. So you have a

a 60 year old man, but it's not funny because this is real, but you, this is real. You have a 60 year old man who is saying that he self identifies as a 13 year old and these people go and they commit acts of pedophilia. This has happened, right? And so then they have places where they go and be babies and they like, right. Exactly. And this is real. So this is, and this is all going to get added onto the LGBT. I don't view. I don't want to talk to you about community. I want to make that statement that, that,

people like that because I've heard that in different statements and once again it's like crazy that as a trans person under the umbrella I'm just lumped with these people but maybe that's their perception and I get that you don't identify as that but it is ideologically speaking the same thing if we don't say that there is an objective reality it would actually be better if a trans person said I

Except this is actually a mental disorder. I don't want to say to people, because by the way, people have other mental disorders. Bipolar. I've got people have this. Schizophrenia. Is there another word? But let me, let me, let me. Is there another word? Mental disorder. Because it is. Because this is.

- But I don't think this is triggering. I don't know why suddenly people are so triggered by this. It's your mental and something is out of order. - But it's because it's not real, Candice. - But some people are, some people don't like to eat food because they wanna be-- - Just give me one second. Let me just get through this, okay? - I'm sorry, Candice, go ahead. - It is, right? So there can be people, that's right, who have body dysmorphia. That is a mental disorder. You have people who are anorexic. I used to have anorexia. I had a mental disorder, okay? I was tiny.

and I was doing it as a control mechanism, I was very happy. In fact, the only way to actually get better was to accept that this is a mental disorder, okay? I don't have an issue with that term. I don't think it's a problem because at varying points in people's lives, your mental can get out of order. The issue when you don't acknowledge

knowledge that it is a mental disorder and you instead just insist that like this is a normal thing and people are born this way means it becomes impossible to attack that person. Ideologically speaking, if you start making laws and saying this is real, then that guy who says I'm 63 years old and I believe that I am 12 on the inside, I never grew up, this is who I am, Peter Pan sent me to Neverland and he molests another girl and he goes into court and he says, no, I'm 13.

Objective reality is what I feel, right? It's how I feel on the inside. And I actually, Your Honor, feel that I'm actually 16. That's against the law. Now, here's the question. But this is why we have to be a guard. And I'm speaking now on behalf of conservatives, conservatives,

We have to be a guard and we have to say objective reality exists. Okay. Objectively speaking, bipolar, it's a disorder. Anorexia, it's a mental disorder. Transgenderism, bias morphia is a mental disorder. This is all mental disorders, right? And there are, there are. Anorexia is a mental disorder. Being trans is not a mental disorder. So we have to stick to the facts. It is not anorexia. If someone believes they're fat and actually they're skinny, you say that's, you have a mental disorder.

I got a good question. But you're saying that you are a male. You believe you're a woman and that's not a mental disorder. I'm just being specific. Trans and anorexia, mental disorder and not mental disorder. The APA. You only have to ask the APA. These are trained psychiatrists. And I understand that conservatives all want to say that's to fill an objective. But at the end of the day, it is what it is. It's we're not a mental disorder. In the last couple of years. Yes.

It was literally a mental disorder. No, but it was misinformation and conservatives in the past. And someday they'll update that same manual and they will say that minor attracted people, which is a term that they're tossing around now because they're saying it's offensive to call them pedophiles. And we should instead call them minor attracted people. Someday they're going to push to update the manual then, which is why I insist on being a guard against that.

And that's the legal behavior and I don't want that attached to anything to, you know, what LGBTQ people... How do you feel about that? Talking about people saying, I identify as a 12-year-old. All right, guys, jumping in here to let you in on a little wireless hack that can cut your cell phone bill in half every single month. Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile want you to believe that you need unlimited data so that you can be overcharged. But here's the fact. Most of you are buying way more data than you actually will ever need.

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I want to know this. This is a good question. How many people in the world

are suffering from some kind of mental disorder? Is it majority of the world? Is it 89%, 93%, 43%, 2%, right? That I will understand where we all are mentally, right? Because sometimes you'll have it this phase and you'll get out of it this phase, right? Like you said, you had a phase you went through and now you're out of it, right?

how many people in the world are statistically suffering from a mental disorder? Because I think that's how we'll respect the word mental disorder, as opposed to, you know,

Your perspective in life. It just means that your your mental your mental is out of whack But how many people in this world are going through that? I mean, we probably won't be able to figure it out now That's a very good question because that will give us a good scope of

on people's perception of what a mental disorder is. - I genuinely don't see that to be triggering. Like I said, I-- - No, I'm fine with it. It's just sometimes it triggers. I'm fine. I've had mental-- - It is weaponized, but I'm good. - I've been mentally disordered from the beginning, right? - Yeah. - I think it triggers you because you've gotten it your whole life.

It's not a trigger, but my point is that I have to represent not only myself, but the community to put out the information out there that's factual. And I know you're a boss with that. You're all about the facts. The facts are that it's not a disorder. And we got to do a poll. But I understand that some people's opinions. I get it. But I just think that when people see this, and obviously the internet will internet, but when they hear you call...

Rachel Dolezal, like, that's crazy when they hear you say, like, oh, the idea of identifying at a different age is crazy, but then you're being like, but this, identifying at a different sex is the real thing. I think people are going to say, okay, maybe that's a little bit of ideological. I want you to give us time to go back and analyze the question in its entirety because as I've done my study, as I've studied

a lot of things that I've seen, right? That question is a very, very last question of all that kind of like puts the wall up on... It's not a wall. It's just telling you that this doesn't make sense. That's it, right? And that's why you feel like it's a wall because you're like, oh wait, suddenly I realized this doesn't make...

sense. And it's a slippery slope. And now we end up with pedophilia. It's just a great question. Yeah, it's a great question for a reason because it instantly lets you realize, hey, there is such a thing as an objective truth. And if you cannot be ideologically consistent, then your idea makes no sense. That's it. You have to apply it here, and I'm applying it here. Rachel Dolezal is not black.

A person who just thinks that they're a race does not make them so. A person who thinks that they're a gender does not make them so. Both can play dress up. Can I make a point? You brought up race, too. It's a cheap question. And I think we need to go back and analyze the question a lot more. And let us dissect the question.

It's a very comment section will. It's a very powerful question. But I think that that's interesting that that's brought up that the you know, they're going to jump on that. But I know what I said on camera. So that's fine. They can say what they say. But it's just a question. But you see, Rachel, for that. But I never called her crazy. And I also was here. These ideas. She wants to live. Right. That's her choice. By the way, we all feel that way. But they will hear you say that she is not black.

And then here you say, but I am a woman. What happened to her? Hold on, because I said I'm not a biological woman. That's fine. That's fine. And she's not a biological black person. But neither of you are. You're bull. See, I'm identifying as a trans woman. So see what I'm saying? I'm owning what I am. So that theory doesn't work. If I was sitting here saying that I was a biological woman...

I feel like I would fit in her category. And that's the truth. I don't think she said she was a biological black person. No, that's what the whole statement was that she was telling everyone. That she was black. It could be in a conservative black neighborhood or it could be in like a cultural neighborhood like we grew up in. She has been embedded in the community and she has been crowned and she has been blessed. So if she just came out and said, I'm transracial and then lived as a black person, then you would say we're the same.

No, because for me, I own that I'm not a biological woman and that I'm a trans woman. So that's why I feel like so many people take harm from it respectfully because there hasn't been chats like this before where people like me have spoken out and said that. And that's going to gag people because people are like, oh, I didn't know that. I thought you go around saying you're biological. Yeah.

And that's the point that I'm trying to make. Everything is so specific. And when you start lumping it into terms and into categories, it doesn't work like that. That's not life. We have to be specific with different people in different scenarios. Me, next to the next trans girl, we might not meet eye to eye at all. And you might be like, I can understand you, but I don't understand what they're saying because it's just out of field. This is a great debate because we're actually talking it through.

And I think there's so many, there's so much more of it that needs to happen. Like this is a continuous thing that needs to happen. We would love to do a monthly week, like a weekly. Tell us, tell us Ray J just so we can wrap this up. And by the way, I do think this has been a very constructive conversation. And I, I feel at the very least respected in the fact that you recognize that you and I are not the same. And yeah,

And I will tell you of all. But we are the same. We're all humans. Yeah, we're all humans. Well, you know what I meant by that. I think that that's a huge issue that a lot of women have where it's like I can just tomorrow decide to be you. And I'm like, I have like, I'm a woman. And I respect you. And honestly, I'm so glad I came because I feel like when the cameras are off and when you're just vibing and having a chat, I know just even by the look in your eyes, I know like you can kind of get it and I get it.

But the thing is we can also agree to disagree and there's things that we're just not going to meet eye on eye. But it's,

It's this is why when you have a debate and when you have a conversation, you have to be specific. It might not be eye to eye today, but tomorrow's a new day. Yeah. Maybe you could mentor me in a few things. Maybe I could teach you. And I think you're very kind, Danielle. Seriously, like and brave to come on here and have this conversation where most just talk trash on the internet and haven't thought about. No, don't be nice. I said a prayer last night or a few. That's very sweet. Tell us about the show. In closing, tell us about the show that

Danielle's going to be on. Yes. Well, the show is out now. It's on a new it's on our new streaming platform. It's called Tronics Network, T-R-O-N-I-X Network. And it's called The Girls Club. I don't I'm not good at saying the girls, you know, the girls spelled G-W-O-R-L-S. And it has this little like, you know, swing to the way you're saying it. The Girls Club. I just kind of keep it bland. But it's a it's a really powerful show. And.

um it's one of our shows that we really took time to make sure everybody's story is told correctly um you know our our goal on this new network is not to benefit off the demise of the drama right it's really to uplift the talent uplift the creators and inside of this dramatic world we live in you you know you kind of just follow um just follow the story and it's a really i mean the ladies on this show are just

Like, I'm so happy that we're having this debate, us, because, you know, we all listen to each other and we all try to understand what each other's saying, whether we agree to disagree. Some of the other talent might have went all the way into another world. But that's because they didn't see this. Now watching this will just give people an insight on how to debate and really just try to, like, get...

get people to understand different perspectives and you've given us that opportunity. And where can people find you Danielle? On Instagram at Danielle Alexis and that's Danielle with two I's. Okay. Well guys, I just want to say thanks for tuning in for this conversation. And if you go and you want to find Danielle,

Always be respectful. You know what we believe here on the show is in radical free speech. Let the best ideas win. We don't believe in denigrating people and calling them names. That immediately means that you've lost the argument. Would love to hear your feedback in the comments. And we will see you guys for another episode soon.