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"Who would you dine with? Scott or Amundsen?" Malcolm Gladwell and Tim Harford in Discussion.

2022/8/19
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Cautionary Tales with Tim Harford

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Malcolm Gladwell
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Malcolm Gladwell: 本次讨论的核心在于斯科特和阿蒙森南极探险的对比。斯科特作为创新者,致力于科学探索和技术革新,例如使用电动雪橇,但他过多的创新和资源浪费最终导致失败。阿蒙森则注重实用,采用格陵兰岛原住民的传统技术,最终率先到达南极点。斯科特的失败并非源于缺乏能力,而是源于他得到了所有想要的东西,这反而带来了许多不想要的东西,例如来自各方的干扰和过多的期望,这使得他无法专注于目标。而阿蒙森则在资源有限的情况下,展现出卓越的领导力和资源管理能力,并通过策略性的欺骗来争取时间和资源。 此外,Gladwell还将斯科特比作获得巨额风险投资却乱花钱的硅谷创业公司,而阿蒙森则像一个默默无闻、依靠自身努力的创业者。斯科特的失败也与英国当时帝国的衰落和保守主义有关,而阿蒙森则代表了挪威这个年轻国家渴望证明自己的进取心。 Tim Harford: Harford 认同 Gladwell 的观点,并补充了更多细节。他指出斯科特的失败与克莱门茨·马克汉姆爵士的干预有关,马克汉姆爵士的无知和专横导致斯科特不得不放弃使用狗拉雪橇等有效方法。而阿蒙森虽然也面临官僚主义的限制,但他不理会这些,甚至欺骗国王和议会,最终取得成功。Harford 还指出,阿蒙森身上有伊丽莎白·霍尔姆斯(Theranos 创始人)的影子,都是“假装直到成功”的策略。阿蒙森的成功在于他拥有清晰的目标和计划,并能够在必要时采取欺骗手段。此外,Harford 还讨论了斯科特和阿蒙森的日记,以及他们对自身成功几率的评估。斯科特在日记中表达了担忧和沮丧,而阿蒙森则充满乐观和自信。最后,Harford 还探讨了斯科特在后世形象的转变,以及阿蒙森未能获得应有认可的原因。

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Scott's expedition was plagued by an overabundance of resources and interference, contrasting sharply with Amundsen's focused and deceptive approach.

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Malcolm Gladwell joins Tim Harford to discuss our recent three-part tale about the race to reach the South Pole. There's talk of imperial decline; the power of the underdog; why getting everything you want is actually a handicap; and limes... lots and lots of limes.   

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