今天我们邀请到了Topology的Gigi,他之前参与过我们的节目。上次节目聊的是链上格斗游戏,这次的主题是“链上拳皇”、“Shoshin”。很多人可能听说过,但还没玩过这款游戏,请Gigi介绍一下这款游戏,以及为什么叫“Shoshin”。你好,我是Gigi,这款游戏……
从去年开始的实验,催生了很多想法。它本质上是一个为创作者提供的新的游戏设计媒介,一个全新的媒介,可以带来完全不同的体验方式和体验模式,一种游戏设计的模式,其意义在于……
我们认为这种游戏是无法用传统方式复现的。同时,它也利用云计算,让一些老游戏焕发生机。虽然可以复现,但……
可以最大限度地利用其特性,这指的是“拟物化”的意义。基于这个新的媒介,我们发布了一种新的动作体验方式,一种……
NPC是游戏程序的缔造者,是人设计的。Shoshin的目标是打破游戏中的反直觉性,打破……
所以,这是一个格斗游戏,但它和普通的格斗游戏不一样。在Shoshin中,我们赋予玩家MPC编辑器,让他们设计应对策略和行动,这些行动会影响角色与其他角色的互动和战斗。
例如,如果敌人离我很远,我会冲过去;如果敌人离我很近,我会选择攻击或防御。但如果情况变得复杂……
我们在休息后加入了循环机制,所以双方都需要针对对手的策略进行应对,预测对手会出什么招,并采取相应的反制措施,保护自己。我突然想起……
例如,一战时期德国军队的参谋部……
现在我们在Shoshin中做的事情,就像德军参谋部制定计划时那样细致,例如如何调整军队,以及军队几点到达哪个小镇。但同时,他们也赋予前线作战部队很大的自主权。前面提到,制定计划时非常细致,参谋部实际上……
如果我们把NPC程序作为NPC程序来使用呢?我们使用了其他游戏的方法,比如回合制游戏、RTS游戏。与这些游戏相比,Shoshin的初期难度非常高。初期NPC编辑器……
我们考虑到了游戏设计受限的情况,在游戏中制作了一个小的编辑界面,非常小的编辑界面。但实际上,我们制作的是……所以,在游戏测试中,可能会有一些没有技术背景的人觉得游戏基本无法玩,所以我们直接使用了游戏核心引擎……
我们把所有东西都做成了池子,从头开始。所以,我们开始了一个漫长的抽象化过程,寻找好的抽象化方法,来封装编辑流程,让这个编辑流程对人更友好,更接近非技术人员。
昨天我一直在和Shoshin的测试人员一起测试。在测试过程中,我发现自己大脑中的一些部分……我不知道自己是否在使用它们。在测试中,会有一些意想不到的情况出现,比如……哪种招式会起作用。当我看到这些情况时,我就会进入测试状态……
如果对手是NPC,当它打败我时,我会反击,如果它不动,我就上前攻击,然后观察它的反应,不断调整我的策略。感觉我变得有点变化莫测,我开始掌握自己的节奏,感觉自己像个武林高手一样变化多端,但这些信息并没有被记录下来。
这实际上……
这是一种最终避免危机的方法,通过电子自动化操作来表达策略,避免操作失误。这也是一种避免最终危机的办法,这种方法可以强化策略思考。
当战斗发生时,人的操作极限很高,人的操作极限很高……
你就像拥有超大脑一样,感觉自己完全掌控了一台无限的机器,只需要发出指令,机器就能非常精确地执行。但是,你需要提前设计好。
这其实很有趣。之前我看过很多武术,想起了那些非技术型和技术型高手之间的界限,非常高深莫测。实际上,你并不是在创造技术,而是在一种混沌、清明的状态下,你可以运用任何技术……
让自己产生最佳的反应,这和Shoshin有关。Shoshin的意义就在于此:设计NPC的行为,在NPC行动结束后,回到中立状态,整理现状,做出下一个决定。中立状态就是Shoshin。
我第一次听到这个词的时候,觉得它像是一种观摩的方式。观摩中,好像每天会有500次对局,观摩中也提到了这一点。每次对局后,都需要回到中立状态。我认为观摩中包含了这一点。我认为这里面有很多关于思考方式的联系。
关于NPC的设计,Synapse发布过AI小说,我认为这可能是下一代NPC。NPC不仅仅是你预先设定好的东西,它拥有自己的灵魂。关于斯坦福的小镇……
以后可能会介绍其他的实验和发布,基本上是使用大型神经网络和大型语言模型,生成BZEN……
MPC的行为,就像真正的游戏操作一样,像一个有生命的城镇。
我认为这是一个根本性的问题。当我们进行设计和Shoshin时,我们希望赋予游戏玩家最直接的创意编辑能力。如果你通过创意模型进行编辑……
处于中间层的话,实际上在游戏编辑时,可以先和AI模型沟通,然后由AI模型生成行为。这里面存在不可观测性和实时性问题。我们进行Shoshin,是为了让游戏编辑更简单……
我们想通过统计模型和AI模型的概念来展示这种行为能力,可以直接探索问题。程序员通过一系列的抽象化,让普通玩家可以通过这些抽象化设计出高度复杂和丰富的行为。原来是这样,这是另一个……
对AI感兴趣的人,不会走AI的道路。
如果设计AI小镇,普通专业人士如果没有AI设计的底子,在实际设计创意时,可能不会觉得有趣。但你可能需要考虑从下往上,还是从上往下,具体怎么做。
拥有这种乐趣,才能成为一款好游戏。这里面涉及到很多层次的东西,比如做游戏的理由,游戏设计的审美价值等等。审美价值不是高低之分,只是选择而已。例如,表面上……可以发展游戏的方式,扩大表面……
可以使用AI方法或非AI方法,设计小的行为。这些行为就像把小冰块放在沙漠里,模拟它们的互动。最终,这个群体要么灭亡,要么在沙漠中繁荣发展和生存。
这是一个模拟沙盒实验的小游戏。这又回到了艺术层面。最初选择这种模式是为了致敬格斗游戏,但我们知道格斗游戏无法在链上复现。我们把创作者定义为一个全新的世界,如果能参考现有的游戏……
但这条核心原生路线必须发展下去。那么,Shoshin是不是不能练习呢?练习和Shoshin的独特结合点在哪里?目前公开版本的Shoshin与Clearrange无关,所以严格来说,它不是一个练习游戏,实际上……
游戏的运行是在KyroVM上进行的,Kyro的虚拟机。对于不熟悉这个问题或这个行业的人,可能会有疑问……
当运行Kyro的数据时,能否分析它是否真正完成了?完成的环境是公开的,数据是独立的软件,运行的机器也是独立的。所以,为了运行Kyro的数据,通过操作……
我们使用的是可以在这个功能上运行的WebAssembly应用程序。我们使用的是可以在这个功能上运行的WebAssembly应用程序……
这个核心系统,重要的是要模拟每次NPC的行为,以及这些行为如何移动身体,进行物理模拟,谁打败了谁等等。这是本机执行的,现在我们不碰Clarity。
考虑很简单,观察游戏设计的连续性,需要使用闭包,闭包需要进入连续的周期,这会极大地影响连续的速度,极大地影响游戏体验,需要加入闭包,这是Shoshin持续面临的挑战。例如……
首先,战斗必须在链上进行,战斗记录必须在链上记录。链是不可篡改的真相来源,所有真相都记录在链上。战斗记录,谁做了什么,谁打败了谁,几点几分,位置等等,都需要确定第一名,分数计算必须在链上进行。
还可以制作市场或类似韩国的交易所。例如,设计NPC的人,部分NPC是开发的,可以参考其他NPC,作为零部件使用。这些零部件的交换和交易,在链上做非常合适。
关于资本的交换,绝对需要链上记录;关于不会改变的记录,也需要链上记录。但是现在,在游戏操作阶段不需要,战斗实际上可以通过链上验证,开局后可以生成轨迹,生成证明,可以通过链上验证。
战斗不是在链下进行的,而是只相信链上的战斗结果。Kyro做游戏的目的,是为了让游戏本身完全可验证,每次战斗都可以发布临时证明,链上验证后,计算过去发生的战斗策略。
现在开发产品的难度,和1995年、96年开发《拳皇》的难度一样吗?难度和性质完全不同。以前的游戏开发难度……
在技术层面,我认为它可以在这个领域发挥最佳特性。当时的时代背景是,计算机价格低廉,网络基础设施建设也比较少。
如果说当时的时代背景下,这种游戏能够发展起来,是因为当时的市场,人们拥有游戏运算、电子设备、新媒介、新事物连接能力,能够销售新事物。现在游戏领域的技术和限制不同。
例如,目前我们并不局限于流体模拟,流体模拟是现在有的,所以我们可以使用流体模拟,流体模拟可以使用WebGL或WebGPU,所以实际上流体模拟非常强大,理论上非常强大。
0 因为需要期待封闭文件的交易。因为需要期待Concise的期待。在这个限定下,真的可以进行很好的运动。例如,如果直接复刻到封闭文件里,
例如,如果要快速直接制作一个真实的策略游戏,那么喜欢玩新海争夺的人就会问:“这个游戏怎么快速运行?”
需要强烈地向创作者说明正在记录这些东西。创作者是不可篡改的数据库,也是不可篡改的计算。国家无法强行BAN,这是一个新的计算范式,游戏玩家,
这与游戏体验有什么关系?这是一个非常费力的过程。我知道的是,通过修改一些检查,使用分片或直接修改VM等方法,使其与直接的游戏运动相匹配。
就是制作像封闭文件一样设计游戏特性的东西。另一种方法是基于封闭文件设计最好的游戏。过去一年半的探索一直在延续这种逻辑。
就像我刚才说的,在当时的技术环境下,能做好的游戏有很多限制,比如当时的网速和图像等等。在这些限制下,做出了最好的游戏。那么,在现在的限制下,制作有趣的游戏是否困难呢?我认为,在操作性和证据上,
从本质上来说,我认为从专业人士的角度来看,在全链游戏中,能出现非常有趣的东西是很少的。从这个角度来看,验证全链游戏的运动,
新的设计方法仍然处于早期和困难的阶段。如果成功了,就会有很多复制品。游戏设计也是如此。一旦出现新的模式,每个人都想创造新的模式。过去研究模式开发的人是如何成功的,是如何找到这个模式的,
有一个通过modding的角度。实际上,游戏的创意很多时候并不是非常神奇的东西,而是超过了游戏设计师的想象。所以,如果使用游戏设计工具直接制作一个有潜力的游戏,游戏就可以通过modding制作出非常优秀的东西,而这些东西本身就可能具有商品化的价值。
很多游戏就是这样诞生的,是的。可以自己制作游戏,是的。很多游戏就是这样诞生的。
但是,用电子游戏的方式来制作,我认为这违反人性。我认为需要使用自主化、非常线性的过程,以结构化的方式进行思考。这些事情为了违反人性,可以进行大量的专业训练。
可以制作编程方法和数据架构的职业。因为编程有很多创造力,所以不仅要开发程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序,还要修改程序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0 这说明,创作者的制造商,就像互联网的进化一样,个人和许多人可以参与设计,但是设计过程,对于新制造商来说,是否会将旧的设计方法转移到新的设计中,并遵循原来的设计呢?然而,在最初开发新制造商时,我们的想法被过去的方法所掩盖了。
目前,参与这个项目的成员们或许能够找到新的原始方法。无论从金融角度还是游戏角度来看,现在的游戏设计,就像当时AMM尚未出现,当时的人们占据着主导地位的情况一样。现在的游戏,是我们从小就非常感动的一款游戏。
我想复活自己成长过程中让自己感动的游戏,这就是设计的逻辑;其他的逻辑是,通过商业的采用,什么样的游戏能够更大规模地运行,从这个动机开始。这些人,在进行修行时,会思考“格斗游戏并非小游戏”、“商业逻辑没错”、“为什么要这么做”之类的逻辑,而不是进行实验。
是的。虽然有很多想法,但最终需要寻找新的方法。AMM时代需要在练习的运动中发生,但现在还不是。现在是铁娘子的时代。现在,在第一款游戏中,主流团队是谁?
我推荐Tenet。尝试一下那些还无法制作、尚未公开的游戏。它正试图用Minecraft的结构来制作物理模拟器。基于物理定律,可以进行各种高度自由的操作。这就是理论。
- 非主流 - 好 - 非主流的原因是什么? - 似乎有强烈的爱 - 我真的认为这在网络中有着重要的联系 - 非主流和多元化 - 维塔利亚喜欢多元 - 他会使用多元主义这个词 - 许多
在各种变化发生时,可以寻找个人的偏见,寻找发生的管道和隐藏属性。这基本上就是互联网运动。创作是互联网运动的一部分,是最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最最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0 现在的链游能解决大问题,但金融是个大问题。发行代币不是为了做一个完全去中心化的游戏,而是为了解决金融问题和信任问题。实际上,链游是从解决大问题开始的,游戏本身现在并不是大问题。在资金能力增强之后,
我认为这个问题可以讲成“如何让接下来的十亿人加入进来”的故事。在我看来,加入进来这个问题是伪命题。
这真是件奇怪的事。一样东西只要有价值,自然就会被广泛使用。从加入进来的角度出发,我会从本真的意义上去思考。但这正是我最需要思考核心技术、逻辑和哲学的地方。我接触得比较少,我的思考方式不是程序员、公关或销售的思维方式,我不会朝那个方向去想。
也许那些想让更多人加入进来的人,是从市场和公关的角度考虑的。也可能有些人觉得,第一次接触链游时使用的技术太难了,加入链游的过程中存在障碍,他们可能无法克服这些障碍。
是的,你说的非常好。在我开始这次谈话之前,我们讨论过其他事情,关于与全国各地相关人员交流的事。我们想做一件事,但对相关人员来说,很多人都在其中,我们该如何解释?我们试图向他们表达这件事的价值,让他们在同一水平线上达成共识。
这就会涉及到自我和让更多人加入进来。例如,当我做Topology的时候,为了让更多人加入进来,
我会考虑如何让我的客户、合作者和我的投资者理解我的价值并给予支持。而让更多人加入进来,因为大家来自不同的背景,如果我讲高深的技术和哲学,可能大家听不懂,这并不平均。但让更多人加入进来,是因为我今天需要你,
因为我们拥有相同的正义感。所以我会理解你说的语言和你想表达的意思,理解你在乎什么,并努力满足你的需求。你修行的时间相当长吗?半年或一年?是的,核心部分花了很长时间,并没有经常做。
去年四五月份,我们用一周时间做了第一个概念验证实验。做过一周多的讨论,也做过其他事情。
从今年年初开始,我买了一些新东西,因为有了信心,这个想法被压抑了很久,不再被压抑了,所以我做了这个。一开始放弃的原因是太难了吗?
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之所以出现很多错误,是因为狂热。例如,为什么这个功能需要右键单击?如果没有右键单击怎么办?为什么这里需要滑轮?如果使用平板电脑怎么办?等等。
平板游戏很难。平板的触控如何使用?之前的UI只需要两次触控就能完成,现在抱怨说两次触控就累了。很多东西只需要两次触控就能完成。就是这样。但是,这样的东西从游戏设计中
从高处看,会觉得“这并不重要”,但重要的是核心设计,发现用户的错误。我认为这些是可以修正的。但是,我认为我们内部的考虑方法也应该在这个方面进行整理。
或者,以更低的姿态来制作。做出更好的设计。但是,最好能感受到作者和游戏的感动。作者的要求绝对不是优先的。但是,需要纳入考虑的过程中。
或者,是否在考虑自己创作作品。不是这样,我们的选择是,目标是制作游戏作品。所以,游戏的答案、理由很重要。当然,我们作品的制作方法也很重要。根据情况进行工作很重要。关于目前的情况,
之前的讨论在所有行业中都存在很大的问题吗?没有问题。必要的事情发生了。预料之中的事情发生了。例如,
因为存在关于自主世界和连载游戏的讨论真空,所以当话题性可能性出现时,会投入很多注意力。我认为可以利用这个话题。我认为通过这个内容是正常的。
我认为需要AMM的时刻,我认为对修行也有帮助的时期,修行的情况下我不确定是不是AMM,但是我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,我认为会有有帮助的时期,
根据游戏的设计,创作者需要原始的方法,但是原始的方法还没有找到。原始的方法出现后,就像野火和野草一样流行起来。不用推动它,它自己就会产生。因为它是原始的方法,所以有可能规模化。与AMM和单一销售不同,创作者是AMM和原始的设计。
在全国的游戏中,AMM还没有出现。有意义的是,当UNISWAP的AMM的萌芽第一次出现时,实际上,大家觉得不好。一年后,由于流动性挖掘带来了巨大的机会,大家…
我认为整体游戏的AMM时刻也会发生同样的情况。即使出现了新的设计方法,也会发生非常大的权衡。这种权衡可能是旧方法。对于被旧方法的引力所吸引的人来说,没有理由。为什么要进行这种权衡?是的,那一年
是因为发明者强制推动它。为了接受它,他们正在避免重力的限制。例如,什么可以推动AMM,使其更快到来?
从我的角度来看,Shoshin是一种非同步的游戏循环,是为了将产业提升到那个时期。强调异步或非同步。AMM是非同步的问题。什么时候使用、打开、输出,不需要与他人合作。自己就可以完成。但是,同步是不行的。同步需要报价。
说是需要床,就说明有相互的基因性。需要类似的协调。修行是非同步的。所以,从逻辑上讲,修行的游戏设计已经越来越接近AMM了。好的。整体游戏的AMM是,
一步规模化吗?是的。规模化是一步。这与练习的方法有很强的关系吗?是的,有很强的关系。好的。好的。看起来你正在准备问题,但是已经结束了。嗯。这段对话很有趣呢。最后还有什么想说的吗?不想再说了。很多人
在进行游戏活动的过程中,很多人开始将Topology视为游戏工作室,所以才开始制作游戏。我想强调的是进行实验。
不是想制作非主流游戏,而是想制作非主流实验。实验本身是非主流的,是为了挑战权威。是制作实验。但是,这件事的坏处是,将游戏作为实验活动,
仍然在努力。应该保持创造力。不仅仅是实验,我认为可以投入大量的创造力。这样一来,实验失败的原因是技术或创造力不足吗?这样一来,这件事就变成坏事了。所以,就会制作游戏。但是,将游戏作为实验,需要投入创造力。这个实验怎么样了?
我想寻找进入产业的道路。关于Defi和NFT的理念交流,产业正处于真空状态。对于人类群体来说,创作者是否具有重要的意义?是真空的。很难解释。
Topology的远景是什么?Topology的远景是,让很多人能够自由表达自己,自由表达自己,是为了发明去中心化技术,并发挥很多人的潜能。实际上,这是互联网的精神。
明白了。或者,会进行更多的实验吗?也许,不是进行更多的实验,而是为了寻找做什么而进行实验?是的。是的。如果进行实验,也许可以制作更好的整体游戏。
这是一件有趣的事情。这是关于我们团队的核心构成。关于人的问题。我们总是以“IT Software”为例。“IT Software”发明了DOOM、Quake、Wolfenstein。第一代第一人称射击游戏的始祖游戏工作室。他们创业时,游戏的构成是4~6名开发者。
程序员人数是所有人,在公开之前开发了100多个游戏的团队聚集在一起。那是40~50年前的事情了。这个人数是全世界一群热爱游戏的开发者。所有人都是制作游戏的人。所以,制作游戏是理所当然的。但是,我们的团队不是这样组成的。我们基本上认为能够享受游戏。
原来如此
也关心社会问题吗?是的。我们的组织是否关心游戏的可靠性和不可靠性。我们只是从那里出发。但是,我们并没有认为我们无法做到这一点。是的。你们在考虑具体的社会问题是什么吗?
现在,我们内部正在积极地讨论。我们认为很快就能进行解释了。这个实验让我们学到了很多东西。这个实验的学习让我们更接近于能够解释我们做什么。
那么下次就让我们一起享受这个话题吧。我也很期待。今天很开心。今天就到这里。谢谢。