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Listen Now: The Sage Steele Show | Billy Dee Williams

2024/6/29
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Sage Steele:公众人物经常因为肤色而面临来自社会,特别是黑人社群的压力,要求他们以特定方式行动或发言。她认为这种压力是不合理的,个人应该有权选择自己的生活方式,而不必被种族或群体期望所束缚。她以Tiger Woods和Michael Jordan为例,说明即使是杰出的黑人公众人物,也面临着类似的压力,他们选择以个人方式生活,不一定要代表整个黑人社群。 Sage Steele认为,这种压力源于人们缺乏对个体差异的理解和尊重,他们倾向于将人归类,而不是将他们视为独立的个体。她强调,个人的观点和选择应该得到尊重,不应该因为肤色而受到限制或评判。她认为,真正的多元化在于尊重个体差异,允许人们有不同的观点和生活方式。 Billy Dee Williams:他认为人们不应被强迫以特定方式思考或行动,因为这限制了个体差异。他认为,人们可以选择以个人方式生活,无需遵循群体期望。他指出,将人划分到固定的群体或类别中是狭隘的,甚至具有种族歧视的性质。他强调,个体差异是美丽的,人们应该有不同的观点和生活方式,这才是真正的多元化。 Billy Dee Williams也强调了倾听不同观点和进行对话的重要性。他认为,与其试图强加自己的观点给他人,不如倾听和理解他人的观点。他认为,尊重个体差异,允许人们有不同的观点和生活方式,是实现真正多元化的关键。他认为,人们应该按照自己的方式生活,无需被他人影响,重要的是保持个人的独立性和真实性。

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Because, and especially now, this crazy world and social media and people can attack anonymously. It's a whole, right? But I've always been fascinated when people tell you, anyone, but especially if you're a public figure, that this is how you should act or speak or vote or whatever based on your skin color. And with Tiger and Michael Jordan, they kept saying, well, you need to do this and stand up more for the black community. And they said,

you know, why, because we have the same similar skin color? Like what are the rules there? And I always was a little not knowing them, especially at the time. Why is there pressure? Why is there pressure from, you know, the black community to say, you must do this? And I respect them for doing what you did, which is saying, this is how I choose to live, regardless of what the expectations are.

Why do you think there's that kind of pressure that people put on each other? I think most people are not. They don't think as individuals. I don't know. Let me see if I can put this into words without offending anybody. Listen, it's great. Let me repeat the quote that you said. At this stage of my life, I don't need to apologize for anything. So you say what you want to say. Yes, that's pretty much it, I guess. Listen, if people want to join organizations, they want to join groups, if they want to

I create a kind of solidarity that gives them credence or some purpose. That's fine. But there are those of us who don't need to go through life in that way.

in that way. Being put in a box almost. It's like, why am I, I have to think this way because I look this way? That's closed-minded. That's actually racist to me where I'm like, no, we are individuals in a beautiful way. We don't have to think the same. We probably have very different opinions about things. And that's beautiful, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. That's diversity. Yeah, I mean, that's the way it should be. I mean, you know, there are lessons to be learned and

If somebody comes along with a point of view that can be useful, then I would say I personally welcome it. To listen and have a conversation. Yeah, you know. And that's the other thing, you know, I think listening is very important. Not so much trying to... Like influence others almost with our own views.

Yeah, you know, but, you know, listen, we're dealing with human nature, humanity, this thing called humanity. And it is what it is. But if you're a personality that feels that you have a way of doing things in a certain way, I think that's what you should do.