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It's Tuesday, October 15th, right now on CNN This Morning. Watch his rallies. Listen to his words. He tells us who he is. New urgency. Kamala Harris trying to sharpen the distinction between her and Donald Trump with just three weeks to go. Plus... Georgia, this election right here is a fight for the future. We are going to win the state of Georgia.

Battleground Beat, we're going to take a look at the must-win Peach State. Georgia kicks off early voting today. And then the border debate, the Trump campaign focusing on Bill Clinton's words about immigration to use them to their advantage. And Florida Republican Congressman Byron Donalds joins us live on the state of the race with just three weeks to go.

6 a.m. on the East Coast, a live look at New York City on this Tuesday morning. Good morning, everyone. I'm Casey Hunt. It's wonderful to be with you. We are, if you can believe it, just 21 days out from Election Day. Early voting begins today in one of the critical swing states, Georgia. Former President Bill Clinton, the last Democrat before Joe Biden to flip that state blue, campaigned in the Peach State for Kamala Harris yesterday. You have to realize

It is literally possible that the whole election could be decided here. It is possible. There are seven states where the election is too close to call. One of them, though, is perhaps more important than the rest. Both Kamala Harris and Donald Trump campaigned in Pennsylvania yesterday. Harris going after Trump for his recent comments referring to some Americans as, quote, enemies from within. Donald Trump.

is increasingly unstable and unhinged. And he is out for unchecked power. That's what he's looking for. He wants to send the military after American citizens. So there's Harris on the one hand, Donald Trump on the other hand turned his event into a dance party yesterday after two people suffered medical emergencies at the event.

So CNN's reporter at the event did say there appeared to be some confusion about what was happening while he was up there on the stage.

Our panel's here. Jonah Goldberg, CNN political commentator, co-founder of The Dispatch. Elliott Williams, CNN legal analyst, former federal prosecutor. Kate Bedingfield, former White House communications director and a CNN political commentator. And Brad Todd, Republican strategist and a partner in OnMessage. Welcome to all of you. Maybe we should, I don't know, bring back a little bit more YMCA. We could like put a little bit of VO there. Or just put on music for 52 minutes and just sit and sway. It's supposed to be the joy campaign. You guys can't see them, but you have all these balloons.

balloons up here and you never drop them. - Oh, really? Yeah, we should put some balloons, that would be fun. But seriously, I mean, I'm interested in this because I mean, I don't even know how many dozens, hundreds of campaign events I have covered in my career. I have never seen anything like this. I've never seen a candidate do anything like this. - It's strange. It sounds like he got a little fed up with taking questions and went with an unorthodox way of getting around taking questions.

Look, I think this whole election we're getting, the contrast you're seeing between these campaigns is that I think the Harris people, for understandable reasons, are very frustrated that most Americans, or half of America, doesn't see the Donald Trump that they see. And their basic argument is,

Look at the guy who actually is there, not the guy that you have nostalgia for, for the pre-COVID economy. And that's a very hard argument to make because people think they're eyewitnesses to what the next Trump presidency is going to be like. And I think it's going to be a different presidency. And moreover, those of you who are nostalgic for the Trump presidency and the Trump economy, you're forgetting all of the other things that come along with when Trump is president. Even if you

you have these fond memories of what your pocketbook looked like at the time. Do you remember 2020? Do you remember what America was like? Do you remember how you felt at the time? There was a lot of craziness and silliness that we saw here. But again, I think there's that frustration that something is not coming through to that, whatever percentage of Americans just aren't buying it.

I tell you what, as an analyst, I look at the juxtaposition there. And, you know, the campaign that's having the most fun usually is the one that feels best about itself. And I know a lot of Republicans were a little worried because Donald Trump wasn't having a whole lot of fun in September. And he was grumpy. He was grousing. You still see it poke through every once in a while. I think a lot of people will be happy to see a Trump that's having fun on the trail because it indicates that he's more confident about where the election is going. Maybe. But is he running through the tape here? I mean, you combine this this.

like concert yesterday with he's campaigning in California, he's campaigning in New York. I mean, is he really, is he really like hustling for the voters that he needs? And the final push here, there's a lot of chatter about is Harris doing enough to run through the tape? I don't know that you could really argue that Donald Trump is.

But I also think we're going to see the shift from Harris back into a more aggressive prosecution of the case against Trump. Because look, when you are running against somebody who should be a historically unpopular opponent, you do have to use that against them. There's a lot of back and forth about has she done enough to make the case for herself? And yes, that's true. You have to give people something to vote for.

But it would be malpractice to abandon making these points about the kind of fundamental threat that Trump poses to democracy. I mean, you have to use your opponent's vulnerabilities against them. And I think, I hope, we're going to see her do that over this final three weeks here. I think that's a trap for her.

all voters' worries about Donald Trump in that regard are baked in. And the candidates need to fight over what they're going to do in the next four years. I agree there has to be a forward-looking element to the message, but I think we've seen, for example, when Vance wouldn't say in the VP debate that Donald Trump lost in 2020, that was one of the most...

problematic moments for swing voters. We saw it in the focus groups afterwards. People said, I can't accept that. And so that is an extraordinary thing. And I think she has to use that.

extraordinaryness you know in her campaign and speaking of unusual tactics at campaign rallies I one other things that Harris did yesterday was actually put Donald Trump's comments his recent comments from the over the weekend about the enemy within about using the military on a big screen and playing it up for people at the rally and then the campaign also cut I'm let's play a little bit above this ad that they turn around a cut immediately I hitting Trump on these comments watch

The worst people are the enemies from within. The enemy from within are more dangerous than Russia. We have some very bad people. It should be very easily handled by the military. I do remember the day that he suggested that we shoot people on the streets. The second term would be worse. There will be no one to stop his worst instincts. So meanwhile, Brad, I take your point about needing to be forward-looking. In many ways, they're trying to get people to look forward at that. Yeah, and again, I think there's a problem...

There's a disconnect. They also have some good ads where they go through a lot of Trump's former cabinet members saying he's not fit, we can't do this again and all that. The problem is I just think for a lot of Trump voters, again, Harris isn't actually trying to reach Trump voters at this point. Harris is trying to reach people who are on the fence or may just not want to vote. But I think that for a lot of people, they say, well, they said all this in 2016 about him, how he's going to be dangerous and all that kind of stuff.

and he wasn't the problem. And what they're not factoring in is that the people who held him back, the circuit breaker people, aren't going to be in this administration. So it's just a different equation than the last time. Right, and making that argument is pretty tricky. All right, straight ahead here on CNN This Morning, campaign wordplay. Hear what former President Bill Clinton said about immigration and how the Trump campaign, turning it against Kamala Harris, plus...

Getting the full Joe Rogan experience, we could hear from both candidates on one of the most popular podcasts in America. And the vice president makes her push to boost support from black men at the ballot box. The first black president of the United States and he had birther lines. And now you look at black immigrants, legal immigrants in Springfield, Ohio. This man is dangerous.

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All right, welcome back. Former President Bill Clinton hit the campaign trail for Kamala Harris in Georgia yesterday and waded into one of the most difficult issues she faces, immigration. Clinton referred to the death of Lakin Riley, that nursing student who was killed allegedly by an undocumented immigrant from Venezuela. Here's what he said.

We had a case in Georgia not very long ago, didn't we? They made an addict out of the dog. The young woman had been killed by an immigrant. Yeah, well, if they'd all been properly vetted, that probably wouldn't have happened. But if they're all properly vetted, that doesn't happen. And America is not having enough babies to keep our population better. So we need immigrants that have been vetted to do work.

So Clinton did speak for two minutes on the subject of immigration, but of course the Trump campaign immediately seized on those 27 seconds saying quote, "Bill Clinton says Lakin Riley's death probably wouldn't have happened if Kamala did her job. He was supposed to be campaigning for Kamala. Yikes." The Harris campaign called the video they posted a total lie, saying Trump's campaign deceptively edited the video to take out the comments critical of Trump and his role in killing the bipartisan border deal.

I mean, the bottom line here, Jonah Goldberg, is that Bill Clinton basically said, like, there's a problem vetting immigrants in this country. This crime happened. I mean, he said something that does play right into the Trump campaign's hands. Yeah. David Shore, the political analyst, got in a lot of trouble for saying that Democrats should talk about things that are popular and not talk about things that are unpopular. And that got a lot of people very angry at him. Okay.

Just seems like this is a subject that Bill Clinton probably just shouldn't have been talking about because any debate about that murder and about immigrant murder in general is just not helpful. Yeah, not great. Not great. Not helpful. Let's call it what it is. But I think, look, I'm not Bill Clinton's spokesperson, but it seems, even looking at that clip, sort of what he was trying to do broadly was to push back on the idea that immigrants are inherently criminals. To me, that was sort of what I...

You have Trump making this argument that immigrants are poisoning the blood, that they're inherently violent. And it seemed like what he was saying was, if we properly vet people who are criminals, then they don't come into our country. But-- - But of course, he's acknowledging that they're properly vetted. - Yeah, not great. - But we're not properly vetting them. The Harris administration says there are 13,000 people convicted of murder outside the country now living here. I think this showed that Bill Clinton's Democratic Party is in fact not Kamala Harris's Democratic Party.

And Bill Clinton is the single best Democratic politician for reaching the kind of rural non-college voters. - Well, that's what they sent him to do, right? Go to rural Georgia, talk to white voters that they think they can make some inroads with. - Right. - But even, it's so easy to twist or misrepresent some of the facts around a lot of this stuff. For instance, of those 13,000, many of them are in state and local prisons as opposed to walking the streets of America.

Yeah, and I worked at ICE for five years. Yes, the country could do better at the vetting and the screening, but I think that's only part of the story there. Even President Clinton's narrative

leaves out the fact that overall immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the United States, are more likely to be religious or married or so on. But it's easy to focus on the vetting question and not the broader issue. But it's an election year and that's what we do. Well, and it got them the cover of the New York Post, right? We agree with Bill Clinton. They're running to be veteran chief, though. They're both running to be veteran chief. Yeah.

The crucial swing statement. Yes, yes. It all underscores why this issue is so tough for Democrats at this juncture. All right, still to come after the break, a runaway pumpkin sending police. How's that for a turn? Sending police on a Halloween chase. It is one of the five things you need to see this morning. There it is. Plus, the Harris campaign appealing to black voters in Georgia. Early voting starts there today. Is it too late? We're going to have more on our Battleground beat ahead.

All right, 21 minutes past the hour. Five things you have to see this morning. A small plane crashed into a front yard in Georgia, leaving the pilot dead and a passenger on board injured. One witness said the crash sounded like a bomb went off. The NTSB now investigating how it happened.

Liftoff for the Europa Clipper, the largest spacecraft built for planetary exploration. The destination? Jupiter's moon, Europa. The mission? To find out, can we live on Jupiter? I'm skeptical about that, but hey, you know, there's a reason these guys are the scientists. All right, not your everyday police chase. A giant blow-up pumpkin was on the lam. Offers in Ohio going after the gourd. Eventually, they did manage to return it to its home.

All right, the Arizona Diamondbacks aren't in the playoffs, but a snake did make it to the National League Championship Series. A small snake was spotted in the Dodgers' dugout between innings Monday. It was removed without incident. The series between the Dodgers and Mets tied up at one game apiece. Perhaps that snake was not the best omen.

And then this, DC's newest and cutest residents on their way here. Two giant pandas heading from China to Washington's National Zoo. The three-year-old pandas left the research base on Monday. They landed in Alaska for a layover this morning. They are on a special charter plane dubbed the Panda Express.

All right, time now for weather. 45 million people across the central and eastern U.S. under freeze alerts this morning. Fall weather finally settling in across large swaths of the country. Let's get to our meteorologist, the weatherman, Derek Van Dam. Derek, good morning.

Those pandas are suited perfectly for this type of weather with all that extra fur, all that extra layering. I wish I had that. Look, it's going to be cold. That's the big story here. We've got 60% of the lower population, lower 48, I should say, experiencing temperatures below 40 degrees. So bundle up, be prepared. This is the 45 million Americans that Casey mentioned that are under alerts.

either for this morning or into tomorrow morning, where the bulk of the cold will settle in across the eastern sections of the country, especially along the spine of the Appalachians. I want to highlight this area because Asheville, of course, the greater Asheville region, western North Carolina mountains still recovering from Helene, so temperatures will flirt with a freezing mark overnight, and daytime highs will feel like the middle of November. Very similar temperatures along the east coast. You can see Atlanta's high of 66 is more like

temperatures in the first to second week of November. So abnormally cool. And I want to hone in on Texas because you've got a massive temperature swing kind of a sucker punch really quickly this morning because we're gonna drop 25 degrees from today's high compared to tomorrow. Houston

for example, 21 degree temperature difference. But there are other more extreme cases there. Just a real dramatic drop in our temperature. So be prepared for that. Hey, look at this. We're still monitoring the tropics. Remember, hurricane season doesn't end till the end of November. We've got a disturbance of tropical wave moving across the Atlantic Ocean. At the moment, this will bring rain could be a depression by the time it reaches the lesser until something will monitor very closely. No immediate threat here to the U. S. Casey

All right, Derek Van Dam for us this morning. Derek, thanks very much for that. All right, coming up next, Kamala Harris launching a new campaign to try to shore up support from black men. Will it work? We're going to speak to the co-founder of Black Voters Matter next.

This is not a good sign, you know, when you have an African-American candidate. You probably shouldn't be having to shore up your support among black men, but that's what's going on. Tim Walz is headlining a voter engagement event tonight with black men. Who better to connect with young black men than Tim Walz? Because apparently Michael Buble was unavailable.

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Let's be clear that your underlying premise is not an assumption that I'm supposed to have black men in my back pocket in terms of their vote and that I should be taking that for granted because I don't. Black men are no different from anybody else. They expect that you have to earn their vote.

Kamala Harris making a number of appearances this week with popular black media personalities as she tries to rebuild the diverse Democratic coalition that helped elect Presidents Joe Biden and Barack Obama. Harris releasing yesterday what she called a quote "opportunity agenda" including loans for black entrepreneurs and investments in training and mentorship.

The effort comes as polling indicates an erosion of support among black men that could be decisive, especially in states like Georgia, where early voting begins today and where both Harris and Trump will make stops this week. The frustration of black men creating an opening for Donald Trump. How many of you are voting for Donald Trump? Raise your hands. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. How many of you are voting against Kamala Harris? One, two, three, four, five.

I can't pay for things every single week. I run out of food during the week. And I feel as though the Democratic Party and most of the people who are, who oppose him are trying to make a fool out of me. I think the last four years we have seen over promising

All right. Joining us now is the co-founder of Black Voters Matter, LaTosha Brown. LaTosha, thanks very much for being with us this morning. You heard there some young black men expressing frustration with the way that their lives are going right now and talking a little bit about the Democratic Party and why there may be a disconnect. What did you make of what you heard there? And what does Kamala Harris need to do to win these people over?

You know, it's interesting. This isn't something that we've just here and we've heard this for years. I've been doing organizing work from the last 25 years. There's absolutely a frustration in our community by black men and black women alike around making sure that they're getting the kind of economic opportunities as other communities, that their issues are centered within the political process. I think what we're seeing is we're hearing

I think there is more attention by the media around to lift and hear those voices. I think that what VP Harris did on yesterday, Vice President Harris did on yesterday, literally lifting up an agenda that says, I see you, there is something for you. And I recognize that some of the frustrations come from not just in terms of this last administration, but literally a long history of neglect, of not centering the issues in the voices of black men.

Why do you think that some black men are interested in voting for Donald Trump? What is it about Trump himself that appeals?

- Well, it's interesting. I think there's a difference between conversation around Trump and the commitment. We heard the same thing in Georgia around Herschel Walker and Senator Warnock, that this was supposed to be a blowout, that there were all these black men that were gonna vote for Herschel Walker, and that simply did not happen. I think what we're capturing is I do believe that there's an issue of frustration, and that frustration, the frustration with one candidate does not necessarily mean there's gonna be an exodus to the other candidate.

But to the extent that I do think that there is some appeal around Donald Trump, I think part of it has been really around his rhetoric, his sexist rhetoric. I think some of it has really been around he's a caricature. And so he's constantly in the media. I think that a lot of that is I think they're responding to the personality of Trump.

But I think ultimately when it gets down to who's going to turn out to vote, I do not anticipate or see that this large group of black men or black anybody is going to vote for Donald Trump. Yeah, fair enough. It's more that, you know, this question of can Trump push that margin to a place where it does make a real difference. How do you think this plays specifically in Georgia where early voting starts today?

You know, I think what that means is you've got to hit the ground running. I think that the Harris campaign, they have been to Georgia several times, and I think she's coming again this week. I think that's going to be really important and key and critical. What I know is that some of the information we've been running into on the ground is misinformation and disinformation. There have been all kinds of memes and social media posts that actually frame information about this campaign that's quite

frankly wrong around both candidates. And so part of, I think, what has to happen at this stage is one, making sure that we're getting the right information to people on the ground, connecting with them and turning them out. All right, Latasha Brown for us this morning. Really appreciate your time today. Thanks so much for being on with us. Thank you for having me.

All right, let's turn now to this. The Kamala Harris campaign using Donald Trump's words against him after the former president suggested using the U.S. military to handle what he called the enemy from within and so-called radical left lunatics on Election Day. Both Harris and her running mate Tim Walz focusing in on those comments during rallies in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin on Monday with the vice president playing video of Donald Trump's remarks for her crowd.

He tells us who he is. I will show you one example of Donald Trump's worldview and intentions. Please roll the clip. The worst people are the enemies from within. The enemy from within. He's talking about that he considers anyone who doesn't support him or who will not bend to his will enemy of our country.

Republican vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance defending Trump's comments during a stop in Minnesota, calling the use of military force justifiable should there be violence on election day. Is it a justifiable use of those assets if they're rioting and looting and burning cities down to the ground? Of course it is. If that happens, if you have a major reaction to an election in 2024, of course you ought to commit law enforcement resources to bring order back to our cities. What did Donald Trump mean by an enemy within? How do you interpret that? Well,

Well, I think one of the ways I interpret it is in the past three and a half years, Kamala Harris's open border has allowed at least hundreds and maybe thousands of people that we know are on the terrorism watch list.

All right, our panel is back. Brad Todd, I think it's worth noting there's a difference between using law enforcement to deal with riots and using the United States military to deal with riots. They're two very different things, and they seem to be conflated there in that clip from Vance. But I'm interested to know what you think of the strategy Harris is using here, which does seem to be a different one, where instead of simply focusing on joy and kind of the way her campaign came out of the gate after the top of the ticket switched,

to one where they are actively trying to say, and we talked about this a little bit at the beginning of the show, but they are trying to say, look, you should be worried about Donald Trump's next term. Is it effective? I think it's a trap for both of them. I think it's a trap for Donald Trump to talk about the people who are against him and he should instead of talking about the people he's fighting for. He's at his best when he's talking about the working class voters that he's trying to stand up for. So I think it's a trap for him. I think it's a trap for Harris because she already has people who are worried about that, about Donald Trump.

She's got to worry about people who think the economy's bad, who think that we can't have four more years of this administration. I think she needs to be litigating how she's going to do things differently from Joe Biden. I think it's a trap to go backwards for both of them. But one of the things you have to do in a campaign is move the conversation to the places where you're strong.

and it is true that she as a disadvantage on the economy doesn't mean she shouldn't talk about the economy I think she has steadily made progress if you look at the polling she's she's closing that gap on who you trust more on the economy and that's important she has to do it but

She's also got to move the conversation back to a place where she's strong and by driving at these things that do make people uncomfortable, that maybe make a voter who would not otherwise feel motivated to come out and vote in this election say, "I can't have Donald Trump be in the White House again." That's one piece of what she's got to do in this final three weeks. Brad, to your point, I wonder, and this is just putting it out there, I wonder if all the criticism about the Harris campaign, that they're just playing it safe.

and not doing challenging media and so on has gotten in their heads to the point that now they're just going more on the offensive against the former president. Now, whether that works and actually turns the voters off in the way that you're saying might actually be the case, we'll know in three weeks. But I am curious as to whether this sharper edge is perhaps in response to some of that. Well, we also haven't talked today, Jonah, and we're going to talk a little bit later. She is going into potentially more difficult terrain with some of these interviews and the things that she's doing as well.

Yeah, no, it'll be very interesting to see the Bret Baier interview on Fox with Kamala Harris and maybe Joe Rogan. People are talking about that. On this point, though, I think we in Washington, pundit class and all that, we focus an enormous amount on undecided, persuadable voters, these people in the middle, right, swing districts, swing states and all that kind of stuff, when there are actually millions and millions of people who

say in 2020, largest turnout ever, 80 million people who were eligible to vote didn't vote. And that's a vast pool of people. A lot of them are pro-Trump, but the choices...

stay home or vote for Trump. It's not vote for a Harris or they're not undecided. They're just trying to decide whether to bother voting. I think that's also true on the Democratic side and some of these arguments help motivate people who think the election doesn't matter to get off the couch. And I think it works both ways. All right, very interesting. Still ahead here on CNN this morning, men versus women, Mars and Venus at the ballot box. Donald Trump

trying to reach women voters on Fox News. Kamala Harris could be a guest on a podcast that's really popular, especially with men. Plus, Republican Congressman Byron Donalds joins us live as his state recovers from two hurricanes and readies for the upcoming election. Joe will be a president for Americans.

We need to decide right here and right now that Joe Biden will never be president. He's not trying to divide the people. He's not trying to sow hate and division the way Donald Trump is. We're doing very well. The polls are looking actually great. We're doing very well. We're going to have a big, big streak.

That's what the 2020 presidential race sounded like exactly four years ago today when the nation was preparing for what would ultimately be a relatively close election. But let's look back at the polling from October 15th, 2020. It shows Joe Biden maintained a significant 10-point lead over Donald Trump at this stage in the race.

Today, though, Trump trails Kamala Harris by just two points in the latest ABC/Ipsos poll. That is, of course, within the margin of error. Trump insists he's feeling confident about his place in the polls and his supporters' ability to push him over the finish line. We are up in the polls fairly nicely.

Fairly nicely, but it's really important. And we're going to turn this country around. It's the greatest movement in the history of our country. MAGA, Make America Great Again. And we are indeed going to make America great again. America has never... We're a declining nation right now. We're a nation in decline.

Joining us now to discuss Republican Congressman Byron Donalds of Florida. Congressman, very grateful to have you on the show today. Thank you very much for being here. I actually want to start with the comments that Donald Trump made over the weekend about using the National Guard and potentially the military should there be chaos after Election Day. Let me play those comments and I'll ask you to respond. Watch. I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics.

And I think they're the—and it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or, if really necessary, by the military, because they can't let that happen. Sir, do you think it would be appropriate to use the United States military to address any chaos after the election?

Well, it was good to be with you. Obviously, we don't want to have the United States military. We're not going to have that be deployed in the United States. That's been longstanding law in our country since the founding of the republic. But I think it is important to note that if there is a time where you have to deploy the National Guard, like Donald Trump did want to do on January 4th of 2021, when he authorized 10,000

National Guard troops to be at the US Capitol for January 6th. That is something where it could be appropriate. Look, at the end of the day, the biggest thing we want is a continued use and an application of a peaceful transition of power. I think that's the thing that he's most concerned about. I think every American is concerned about. Are you confident he's going to accept the results of the election if he doesn't win?

I think obviously he would accept those results as long as every state follows the procedures that are passed by state legislatures. And I think that we need to understand very clearly that one of the main issues in the 2020 elections is that you did have state governments or state jurisdictions that were not following state law when it comes to the procedures of their elections.

They were changing those procedures at the 11th hour using COVID-19 as an excuse. And my view has always been, and many people's view has always been, that's simply unacceptable. All Donald Trump has ever said is, look, follow the law that are on the books. Follow the procedures that are on the books. And as long as that occurs, everything will be fine.

Sir, let me ask you also about the "enemy within" comments that Donald Trump made there. Who do you believe he's talking about when he says "the enemy within"?

Well, I think if you take a step back over the last really 10 years that Donald Trump has been at the forefront of American politics, let's look at what actually occurred. In 2015 and 2016, he had elements of our government spying on his campaign. That is something that is completely un-American, doesn't really get reported on or talked about for really how disastrous that is for our country.

But that occurred. They spied on his campaign. You have elements of this current administration. Well, it was covered. What you're talking about, I think, was covered extensively at the time and has to do with some of the national security laws that we have in place. And the way that you're shorthanding it, I do have significant questions about that. I mean, he seems to be suggesting that Adam Schiff is one of these people. Do you believe Adam Schiff is an enemy within our country? We know. We...

In the House, we know that Adam Schiff was using his position as then chairman of Intel to leak information into the press. We know that. That is wrong. But that's what Adam Schiff was doing. We do know that you have elements of the Kamala Harris-Joe Biden administration that have used the Department of Justice to be weaponized against their chief political rival. That is wrong.

And so we have to be honest with ourselves as Americans that we do not want the institutions of our government being wielded against political rivals. But let's not talk about Donald Trump. You have elements of this Department of Justice under Merrick Garland that has targeted parents.

who were just simply concerned about their child's education, calling them domestic terrorists. That did occur. You have elements of this White House that were spying on the American people, suppressing the free speech of the American people. That is the enemy within. And so I think one of the reasons you have people like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., like Tulsi Gabbard, who have switched from the Democrat side of the aisle to supporting Donald Trump and his campaign, because they are also concerned

about the quote-unquote enemy of Trump. I mean, this Department of Justice has also, there was a special counsel appointed who prosecuted Hunter Biden, the president's son. You've got the president of the United States expressing, according to Bob Woodward, regret about appointing Merrick Garland because Merrick Garland is going after the president's son. So, I mean, there are examples where this Department of Justice is going against the White House in a way that refutes the argument you're making. Well, Cassie, I mean, we're 22 days to election, but let's talk about Hunter Biden.

The only reason why the Department of Justice actually went after Hunter Biden the way they've done is because they were exposed for letting so many of Hunter's criminal charges lapse by statute of limitations because they were covering up for Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. So once that was exposed by the Oversight Committee, which I sit on, then the Department of Justice had no choice but to reverse course. That's the actual fact.

Congressman, let's turn back to the election. Before I let you go, I want to ask you about black men in particular. President Obama was on the campaign trail trying to talk to black men. Now you've got Kamala Harris going out there sitting down with media outlets where she's clearly trying to reach black men. Do you think her efforts are going to make a difference?

- No, I don't. And for a number of reasons. Number one, this is the same Kamala Harris where a few years ago, she's out there saying that the audio clips are available, the video clips, where there was no agenda for black people. She actually said that what works for all Americans will also work for black people. But now she's gonna reverse course

because she's losing in this race and trying to say she's going to do an agenda specifically for black men. I just don't think it's going to work. Number two, she's basically had 1400 days to enact all these types of policies, and she's done nothing, actually not even spoke to any of these things. But now that we're 20 days until November 5th, now she wants to run out there with a specific agenda. Everybody knows it's phony and it's fake. It's pandering. It's just politics.

and it's not real. At the end of the day, what black men are looking for, like all men in our country and all people, is an economic agenda that actually works to helping you grow your wages, have prices be stable, be able to build wealth, and to pass something on to the next generation. And it is crystal clear if you compare Kamala Harris's economic record to Donald Trump's economic record, that when Donald Trump was president,

Wages adjusted for inflation were significantly higher. People were able to save more. People were able to buy a home. And people were able to start building wealth. The Kamala Harris economic agenda has not been good for any American, including black men. All right, Congressman Byron Donalds, thank you very much for your time this morning. I appreciate you being on. Thank you.

All right, let's turn out of this. Vice President Harris doing something she hasn't done before. She's going to sit down for a Fox News interview. It's scheduled to happen tomorrow. The vice president has faced criticism for not doing enough interviews early on in her campaign. Now she's trying to call out Trump for dodging reporters. This man won't even debate me a second time. He won't even debate me a second time.

He didn't do the 60 Minutes interview, which I believe every presidential candidate for President of the United States has done. And one has to ask, what is Donald Trump trying to hide? What is his staff and his team trying to keep from you?

Trump is also making an appearance on Fox News this week. He will tape a town hall in Georgia later today with all women as he tries to chip away at Harris's advantage with female voters. And then there's this. Harris might be appearing on one of the most downloaded podcasts online. Reuters writes this this morning, quote, Harris campaign officials met with Joe Rogan's podcast team this week, but an appearance has not been confirmed yet. That is according to two sources, two of the sources with knowledge of the

the matter um is this a smart play potentially Kate or is sitting down with Joe Rogan just a dangerous game for her I am not a huge fan of the idea of her doing Joe Rogan I just think it will be such an uphill battle I understand the audience I understand the importance I'm I you know I understand in the media uh environment he's somebody who has enormous influence I'm not uh you

I'm not denigrating the reach of Joe Rogan, it's significant. I'm not sure that's the best use of her time in the last three weeks of this campaign when she's trying to reach these, particularly these swing voters in the key states. I do think the Brett Baer interview makes sense because if you look at the Republican, Brad and I were actually talking about this in the break. If you look at the Republican primary,

you know, as many as 20% of Republican voters in the Republican primary process did not vote for Donald Trump. And those people are largely Fox News, that's the Fox News audience. A lot of those people watch Fox News. Some of those voters are people she needs. So that to me makes a lot of sense. I will be honest, I don't know that doing Joe Rogan in the last three weeks of the campaign makes a ton of sense

This is realignment at work. You have a working class coalition that Republicans are assembling now. She's trying to keep that from coalescing behind Donald Trump. He's got a problem in the country club. She's got a problem in the labor union. Do you think it's smart for her to do Joe Rogan? I think right now she's in a desperate spot in this campaign. She's trying a lot of things that are risky.

What do you think, Jonah? I think if she gives a good interview, it's smart for her to do. And if she gives a bad one, it's a disaster. No, I'm serious. That is a cop-out answer. No, but that's the problem. I mean, this is one of the problems we have is that people's attitudes about Donald Trump are completely baked in. Very hard for him to move the needle on anybody. People are still getting to know her. And she sometimes prepares really well and does well. And other times, like when she was on The View and she didn't have an answer for what she would do differently than Joe Biden,

- The flop sweat, I mean, that was the signal to a lot of elite Democrats to begin the bedwetting now. And that's the thing is I don't know which Kamala Harris goes on Joe Rogan. - Yeah, yeah, the question is, does she win anybody over or keep anybody that she doesn't want to vote?

from coming out to the polls, right? It's either galvanizing the folks that you want or scaring away the folks that you don't want. I don't know if Joe Rogan is the place to do that. Now, to Kate's point, maybe Fox News is, but again, this could be the most magical moment in American political history or it could be an unmitigated train wreck and we just don't get over it. There's a huge risk reward when she goes down. If you can't survive an hour with Joe Rogan, though, you can't probably be president. Oh, come on. Well, I don't know. I don't think that's true.

I mean, Joe Rogan has an agenda. He has a worldview. He will be guns blazing in that interview. And look, I do think you have to, in the final push of a campaign, you've got to make some risky decisions. I don't think she should play it safe entirely, but you also shouldn't be reckless. And to me, I just don't know that the risk-reward calculation there makes a ton of sense. Yes, when you see her in a week with a headset sitting next to UFC commentating, I think then she's probably taking this a little bit far and might not win.

Kate, one of the things we have seen her, to Jonah's point, struggle with is answering questions about how she would be different from President Biden. And clearly there seems to be some personal sensitivity there or something going on.

What should she be saying about that? Because if she's going to go out there and do these interviews, Brett Baier is going to press her about this. Yeah, and she should have a sharper answer on that. And I understand, of course, from a human perspective, they worked very closely together, and I understand why she feels like she doesn't want to go out and trash him. And I would argue she shouldn't, and she doesn't have to. But she does need a sharper answer about how her agenda differs, places where she will be...

more aggressive I don't think that that's uh undermining the things that she and Joe Biden have accomplished in the White House I think that's laying out for people you know here's here's my vision for how things are going to be different and yes she absolutely needs she could talk about uh you know stronger preparations for um for the eventuality of the fall of Roe she could talk about being tougher on uh companies who are price gouging I mean there are ways where she could say

Here's what I might have done differently. But more importantly, here's what I will do differently in the future. And that's, I think, yes, she needs a sharper answer on that. So we're heading towards the top of the hour. But Brad Todd, while I have you, for our viewers who don't know, you do a ton of work in Pennsylvania. And it is really the key to the election. So right here, three weeks out, who is winning in Pennsylvania? I think Donald Trump's going to win Pennsylvania. And I think he may win it by more than a point.

I could see him winning by two. Why is that right now? She's uniquely unsuited to the state on a variety of matters. You know, it's a working class state. That's the coalition that you win with. Obama won with a working class coalition. She's not been able to put that back together. All right. Really interesting. If you come back next Tuesday, I'll ask you the same question. We'll have the same conversation again. All right. Thank you guys very much for being here today. Thanks to all of you for joining us. I'm Casey Hunt. Don't go anywhere. Santa News Central starts right now.

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