530: I Merely Adopted the Flip Flop
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hello, hello.

How are you? I am doing fantastic. And we are without Michael.

We are this week we are. Sds, mike.

yes, sounds mike, yes. mike. Um yeah we typically ask people to do something um to to show their appreciation and and you know the fact that they are missing one of us on the show something onna say that this time this is going to to do something on blue sky you know if anything because it's the new thing what can be done on blue sky?

Let's a sand, Michael. So it's december fourth. We talked about music in the process. And mike, your the song, a song that you like, but that you think most people would make fun of you for liking that song? Gg.

oh, that's really good.

yeah. Like for example, um I sometimes on occasion when i'm editing some of my articles, I can be surprisingly into um the first couple of albums by Justin bieber OK you know the .

conventional .

wisdom would sure potentially make fun of me. I don't care uh but yeah send mike a song that you like but that you think most people .

would make fun .

of for I like I .

and yeah and yeah I I don't think this was embarrassing at the time, but I think it's embarrassing now because .

of this artist um recent .

public sounds kay but cancelled OK yeah .

but it's problem .

i'm scrounging through it's probably off the lights bicky west oh .

yeah I mean yes, I believe we had a conversation about canyon at some point completely .

off the rails completely from the twenty ten my beautiful daughter was fancy. Not an album you should listen to with your kids in the car, but sometimes I go back to that record and yeah, he's early so you much Better than this later .

stuff yeah yeah I completely agree that record was incredible. IT still holds up surprisingly well. Um there's a whole like if you're interested, like just reading about that album, the making of that album from a pure like artistic perspective and like music engineering perspective.

So fascinating look up on wikipedia out. The album was produced and recorded and um captain secret for for many, many months. Um anyway uh thank you. Even so, yes. And mike, uh a song that you think would be considered embarrassing today but you still like IT and that's okay. Um I see Stephen in a follow up that the one of the I see how I can describe IT one of the best family run small businesses yeah out of utah, I want to say are back in in in or follow up ah yeah so federal Christmas tree is friday back in federal free.

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Christmas tree is a lot. I believe. We had a couple of listeners in previous years actually go there and buy a Christmas tree and send us a picture. So if you happen to do that again, please send us a picture and we would love to see that. Uh I don't know why exactly we started doing this years ago, but IT is now a tradition and so thank you for we go Christmas strives for um obviously for keeping your company in business and allowing us to mention this company every year.

That's right. I don't someone submitted IT to us. Maybe I was caused the gray.

Maybe maybe good. The previous life, yes.

previous life. okay. Three go. Last time we spoke about you and notebook allam, you were looking for a way or a model defeat of your IOS reviews in you.

You could have your own personal database. L M, of your reviews. And how did you go with no book?

L mm 呀 a went incredibly well。 Um it's I looked up, uh a lot of alternatives to google's notebook column and IT appears that there's nothing that gets close in terms of like first all it's free uh and allow you to upload um up to fifty documents and I get to this minute uh and any works really well. I was able to over the over the past week, uh consistently going to notebook A M.

I created a project for my I U S reviews and using the ten markdown documents that I uploaded. Document length is not a problem. They have a problem with document with the number of documents. So it's limited to fifty um but with my reviews I was always able to ask questions and get detailed results with citations that linked back to the original part of the document that mentioned whatever result. Uh notebook lambs ring up now um i'm doing a lot of research about these tools lately and it's um notebook and is based on these other sort of a technique that has been implemented in the A I space lately, which is called rag and IT sends for a retrieval augmented ge generation.

This is not something that was familiar with until a couple of weeks ago, but it's basically um a system that i'm going to over simplify this because this is not an a ipod cause and also I don't know what i'm talking about because engineer, it's basically the system where the results can be much more accurate because the the large language model is emptively double checking, uh, all the things that that is saying with the local with the local external data base of sources. And so it's not A A A considerably reduces the risk of location of allusions because it's looking up the information directly into the data source, the external data set that is um effect vely augmenting the generation of what the large language model is gonna. Um now I also tried to do something else, which is I thought, well, if IT works so well for all of my eye us to use, what would happen if I took my folder in opinion that contains all of the articles that I published on mac stories since I started using up syria.

So for the bus four years, I guess at this point um so not fifteen years worth of documents, but four years worth of documents and I sure was able to upload them uh but IT uh but I stopped at fifty documents so I couldn't upload to those four hundred thousand files, just fifty of them and still even with fifty documents randomly chosen from my are be an opinion. So there's an update. There's a news post, there's a linked post. It's an assault ment of of articles. Even then I was able to ask questions like, uh, can you tell me what some of my favorite apps are and and IT and IT produced a list of apps organized by category.

Uh, linking back to the reviews like this technology is pretty wild if you are a researcher, if you are an academic or if you just want to be able to have effectively A A uh like a super intelligent fuzzy search system ah that lets you ask questions in natural language and is fast and produces accurate results that and this is essential that link back to the portion of the of the document where that information is coming from so yeah uh the impressive results cannot cannot bomb that um this is the only solution for this problem right now. Like I would love to pay for service, uh that has support for unlimited documents and lets me upload my entire backlog of uh articles that are published um and you know it's a google product. So there's always the thought in the back of my mind saying, well, they're gona shut IT down in a couple of months because is this is an experiment so let's see what happens about but now it's very good. I and I also did something else which I don't know um so you probably have seen this online um notebook and am as a podcast generation function .

so they can generate .

a quote quote podcast between two fake people are talking to each other about the contents of the documents that you are uploaded in a project so he created this twenty minutes podcast with two A I voices having a conversation uh with each other about the time line of I U S. And the evolution of I U S. Through the years.

Now there's a link in the shoot. You can click the link and and have a listen. I mean, IT sounds possible enough.

I in the A I voices, voices are pretty good. I don't know who who, like, would you ever consume an a eye podcast on a weekly basis? Probably not.

But the only argument that i've read in favor of like White, like, because one has to wonder, why does this exist? Why is this a feature? Why is IT useful? The only argument that a read is that for some people, IT can be a lot easier to absorb information in this format.

We like people having a conversation about the topic that IT would be for a variety reasons, to read through a arg document. sure. Some people it's you know it's easier to listen to twenty minutes or forty minutes of a really dense information dse conversation that IT would be because it's like an attention spending or whatever that he would be to read that information in an article. I mean, IT exists and unfortunately people are gonna make fake I podcasts and we're gonna distribute them. And while we're still here talking in front of a microphone, but hey, whatever.

I don't think this is coming for our .

jobs anytime soon. I don't think so. I mean, once again.

hope not.

I hope you know the D A. I will never mention for the records Christmas trees.

I will say we had A A bit of a discussion about playing this audio and we decided not to. So you can go put the link if you want.

because that I sign with even like, not even half jokingly, like full jokingly. We put a ee generated content in the show. I believe I was like, wasn't IT like people .

got real mad. Yes, IT was music. Um we had songs for the Ricky rules.

He was a joke, a joke. OK was like, still. So if you want, you can click on the link and the chernoff, and now listen for yourself. But yeah.

okay, I am talking about my apple watch problems. Have you I spoke about IT I connect to last week. I spoke about the upgrade on monday.

Um the struggles continue. I have made a bunch of changes to my wife network that they seem to fix IT for a while and then they then they don't. So pretty extreme battery drain on my ultra and IT will drop connection to my phone.

Fact, the other night I was sleep tracking a word that I definitely how to pronounce. Unlike last week, I learned how to say, and IT stopped like this, connected at two thirty in the morning, and that's when sleep dragon stopped. So like, okay, like what are we doing?

Uh, so yesterday I set up a series nine, which I have for development with under score, White dit said, is new on on my personal phone and i've been wearing at twenty four hours. I got enough. It's fixed IT or or or not like this is an issue with older apple watch, hardworking and alter one like I just don't know what to do.

I have a lot of emAiling people with suggestions which I appreciate and sly working through those. It's just a it's kind of frustrating, but I did to because I got a really good deal on amazon. I did a great mary from her older apple watch to a new series ten thank you cyber er monday and I gave IT to and she's this thing is enormous.

I got heard the smaller size, it's actually the size of the big apple watch in the beginning. I got so much theyve grown over time. But her watch, since upgrading her to the tin, has not exhibited any of the problems that my ultra continues to exhibit.

So I don't know what's going on. I'm still digg into IT. It's very fine shooting.

You don't want to get a new up watch, right?

Not really. I mean, i'm not gonna an answer too, so I don't know to do.

嗯， this is historically, this is when someone from apple, I know animals. Listener usually sweep scene and saves the day, but that hasn't happened yet.

IT has not happened yet. I will say that I have a couple of feedback items with logs attached to them, which is like a whole thing I don't know you've ever done IT. It's a whole thing to do that, but i'm looking at the feedback number and trying to log in and I have to get a two verification code.

Come on, one six. I thought I want to read my two code. No.

I guest, yeah, don't do IT.

Okay, um submitted. Wow, I can't click on anything in the feedback APP cool.

My computer .

beeps at me if I tried to click anything, and it's frozen. Okay, well, I would redo the feedback number Better camp because the feedback APP is frozen on my mac. cool.

We can put in the show notes maybe, or you can mention IT later. You know, we have, we have our ways.

I got IT. Okay, feedback. One, six zero to six, seven, nine, five. IT has lost from an apple watch ultra.

Please fix this first seven. Please take a look at that. The guy needs his apple watch, the work.

one six zero to six, seven, nine, five. We have a couple of listener concerns that we wanted to talk about. Well, I wanted to talk about.

You're gonna like this, okay, Nathan wrote in, i'm using the new macintosh screen saver, you know, the new one in the coats with random colors. I, I regularly come back to my mac mini into pro with a full Green screen with not any animations. No, no, no. After five or ten minutes, you will resume the animations and change color, but IT always freezes on Green. I would like to know if is just me or is anyone else having the same issue .

or you're sneaky with this follow up items? You you didn't you didn't write in the subject of the main item that he was about Green gate, right? Is this is this also the case for .

the second one? Let's read the second one, is this from listener, greg. So you mentioned colour gammit in theory in this weeks episode, last weeks episode. And I can confirm that the new theory actually uses HDR for the glow at least omeo s as an this is wild as an imac owner who experiences the gitta y step up, step down effect when the screen switches into su du HDR mode. It's hard to miss the fact that invoking theory always causes that to happen.

So my theory that apple made the fancy screen shots with a sixteen bit display, p. Three to show off the theory colors was not wrong they they are actually they are actually doing this. They're doing this for more than just a theory um glow effect um but yeah interesting um Nathan with Green screen saver. Do we need to say anything?

And let us know, let us know something this .

and let us know. Okay, some more, more Green follow up in coming .

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listening before sitting down to record this episode. So yeah, pretty good episode. Do you know that upgrade according to spotify wrapped because i'm also using spotify to listen to podcasts. Upgrade is my podcast of the year.

right?

Yeah I don't miss I don't miss any episodes like a out h straight to the top of my inbox. And um you know I I I really love the show so ah you listen to IT Stephen is uh a very good replace in for mike on the show.

Replace clean or changeable. The the thing that I realized that on the same way I don't miss N A upset of upgrade and rose when I came out monday evening as I can't listen .

to this I hit .

so it's kind of phone off my podcast listening this week honestly a bit a bit strange um I was also on focused episode to international teen talking about sebak, les, David, mike and then part two of our state of the platforms on epu came out on sunday. Very happy with that. But the biggest news, yes, in podcast and tell us what your in pco hoster up to.

So M P C next portable console is my uh show about portable gaming and handles. My two cow hosts saw O, T, J, john worries and random bigging. The boys are going to vagus for C E S to twenty twenty five.

They are going together. They got a media pass for C E. S.

And they will be trying all the weird, half broken vapor wear, hand held, and some of them actually real and weird accessory that will be shown off at C. E. S. Uh, john has plans to take videos of everything. We still have to decide how to properly cover their experience, their daily experience at M.

P C, maybe we're gonna some uh some youtube videos will see uh, also depending on actually how many gaming related announcements will see at c as but we usually do and it's widely expected that we're gona see. I don't know how plugged into the whole portable gaming seeing you are, even you probably aren't um but anyway, there's this there's this a portable P C handels right um like the asos makes one lenovo makes ah and they're all running on this version of an A M D chip. It's called the z one and and they are using this this a, this A, A P U.

It's like the equivalent of a system on a chip and it's why do you expected that A C S uh A M D will show show off the z two and the z two extreme ah and so that's going to be exciting. We're probably gonna more hand out PC and so that's why brand john onna be there. And of course, it's gonna all these companies out of china bringing in the uh you know the the much lower prize handles for like emulation and all that stuff um to the to the to the to the show and so we'll see.

But mostly excited for Brenda and john to be together for a few days in last vegas. Ah who knows what that who knows they gonna do and and and if they will survive, uh brand dom will definitely survive. John is more up. John is more up in the air.

Yeah, I agree. When I think about all of our friends who could or have or might go to C. E.

S, john being there is the funnest to me for some reason. Yeah, yeah. This is not like an age thing, is just like john.

It's a vibe thing.

It's a vibe thing. But can you picture john in los vegas?

My only problem? no. But here's years. I thought john may surprise us because maybe he's got a dark side and maybe .

he was a lawyer.

maybe IT was a lawyer for many years and a and a bankrupt lawyer that so the guy has seen some stuff in his previous life. And so who knows, maybe wouldn't be a problem for john to work all day and and then go party hard at night because maybe in a previous life used to do that. I never mentioned IT and we don't know, but who knows?

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Steven, i'm having been a bit of a crisis.

Okay, i'm here to help.

Yeah so i'm gona go straight to the point OK. I'm i'm gna talk about IT OK. I miss the third camera on the iphone 7 pro。

Oh, no.

And now let me explain why I love everything about the sixteen plus literally everything I love, like i've got about this two months ago. Um I love the color. I love that it's slighter. I love that it's dinner. I love that it's fun.

And I don't care about the things that most people told me on social networks that we're gonna be a problem like um the bezzle or the lack of promotion that hasn't been a problem. But this week I realized something and then I talked about this with my girlfriend and SHE confirmed that it's a pattern. It's a behavior that SHE also noticed.

I am taking less pictures than before. And this is a problem. I I don't know what I think I know because I thought about, I have a theory. I went two way, some of our to our best friends back in my bal that a baby last year and he turned one couple of days ago and so we went to the to the to the first birthday body that day that the through for um I was a pretty big deal you know it's it's it's his first birthday and you know some friends for their family was there I was a really nice occasion and I noticed that I never took out my phone to take pictures and still that to come all with her sixteen problem and and then you mention like I I noticed you didn't take any pictures um and so I and that sort of had me thinking like and I started scrolling through my photos library for the past couple of month and I noticed that he was full of the full of screen shots and way, way fewer photos done in previous years and so I I realized, huh, I love the sixteen plus so much for everything else, but the camera part is what gets me here. And I think that I sort of did some self research and sort of self fanatic here. I went back to photos from the years before and IT turns out that, much to my surprise, I really relied on the five excEllens way more than I thought.

You didn't look at that before you before the purchase?

No, I thought it's going. I think I wrote about this in the article. I thought it's going be fine with two x and i'm pretty sure I said, worst case scenario gonna get closer to my subjects. Pretty sure I said this.

And in practice, after two months, you know, this is what I like about like, this is what I like about doing this show and sort of like publishing on the internet and then wait in a few months. And then following up on what you said, there's a lot of in our community, there's a lot of like, or you published something. Therefore, he must be the law, and for you must also be consistent. I mean, you know, these are mr. Free free flop, right?

He said, as he's getting ready to fit flop.

Okay, I merely adopted the free plop. You were born in IT.

Is the thing we both to do.

you know, uh, but the thing is like I took a look at my, I took a look at my photo and relies way, this is full screen shots, full of screen recordings. Why am I not taking as many photo of my dogs as I used to? Why did I go to a birthday party? Very nice occasion.

And I never took up my phone. It's because subconsciously I know that I got this phone that I really like for, like phone and productivity things and social media things. But when he comes to pictures, I guess I don't.

And I guess some, I missed the sixteen projects and and IT sucks. Here's the thing. IT sucks because I don't wanna use the sixteen prom.

X, I don't care about promotion. I don't care about the biggest screen. I don't care about the longer barry life. I have been totally fine with the sixteen plus.

But here's the thing, funds change every year, right? And we upgrade our funds because we can because what we do for a living funds change. But the photos and the memories, those, if you don't capture them, are gone forever.

Yeah and so even though my thinking is that even though I may not like doing this, I think it's worth doing the flip flop in my case, if anything, to make sure that I don't end up like on sunday a few days ago, when I went to a really nice family gathering and I didn't take any pictures, the subconsciously I knew that I didn't have a good zoom and the digital zoom was not gonna be no as good as the pictures that suit was taking on our iphone. And so I preferred to sylvia for the taking up the pictures and the saving of the memories. And that's not okay.

So even though I don't like the model, I would very much prefer staying on the sixteen plus. I gotta do IT for the pictures. Men like it's I I know long term, like three years from now, looking back, I couldn't forgive myself if I wouldn't have certain captures of certain memories because I wanted to keep using the sixteen plus because of the color and because of the thinness and because of the things I like about IT.

And I can wish that, I guess, all this to say. I cannot wish that there was cheaper, more colorful sixteen promos that didn't require getting the boring White or titanium phone. Yeah.

okay.

I look at the silly thing that he comes on to color, but I would really like the color of this phone. But it's been two month and it's a problem that I don't have as many pictures as I thought um yeah.

I agree. Problems IT does I want to play devil's g evocative for second because ki bring brought this up and disco is an angle where you are more in the moment rather than thinking about taking photos.

Now I was in the moment I, you know, just IT doesn't take you out of the moment to just take a one or two photos, or maybe a photo in a video when when the key is blowing on the birthday cake. Yeah, but like, not having IT really sucks, you know, here, and I am sure I could ask you before for the pictures.

And I mean, he shared them in the what tap group that we have, but still, you know, maybe what about a moment that I want to capture? And sylvia is not there. Okay, I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't have to have a backup photographer. Yeah, you know.

interesting.

This is how to get you, you know, not with the color, not with the titanium, not with the display that get you with the camera.

Yeah, interesting. I have found that the the, the zoo is on me that I do use quite a bit. And you know, this year my phone changes.

I went from the pro max to the promise, and i've have been very happy with that because the cameras are the same. But next year, if the pro max has a Better camera than the pro, I will go back up a size. Like to me, the camera is, I think for a lot of people, the camera is the most important thing so I get IT IT definitely stinks.

And you know, you're haven't jostle things around the year. That's never yeah, that's never fun. But but I get that. I get IT yeah yeah.

So you will not .

find judgment for me when IT comes to flip lobby.

Thank you. I felt I felt the warmth coming from you yeah, as I was explaining my problem. So thank .

you .

so .

well, yes, you're you're sell off the elephant.

Yeah I I think that's what I got to do. Ah yeah so well, so I just wanted to bring that up on the show to see like as a sanny check you know like I am I crazy for thinking this? Yeah I don't think so. cool. Yeah alright.

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IT. Turns out, I mean, I mean, you're always going to be making brothers, I guess, right? Good dog.

And is IT does seem like everybodies making brothers, but we will get to this in a minute. Uh, so they announced their plans to build a new ai White brothers called dia. Um is that how do I haven't watch the video? They say dea .

or I believe it's .

dear dear okay um doesn't mean anything I don't know um but it's a separate broza for mark and it's gonna be heavily based on an agent. So and a large large model agent in agent in the sense like the large language model, in addition to answering your queries via text, can also perform actions. Um and they shoot off this demo where uh the agents was able to draft an email uh with some links for amazon products.

In fact, um they shot off actually did watch this part of the video. They shot off the agent inside the browser, sending an email to the brothers company CEO uh wife, and beginning the email with high hope. Things are well with you and this is that really how you would email your spouse? Things are one with. You still do .

you member mix example from cover of I hope you're uh staying positive and testing negative.

That's always oh my god. Oh my god. Um in any case, they shows the brothers being able to uh, grab some product links and send an email they mentioned you know the brothers being able to uh sort of act almost independently and do things at the background, uh you know perform searches, uh, collect links um basically do this sort of things where uh it's actually working inside the brothers and as the full knowledge of like the open types that you have your brother history and is able to perform actions on on on those things based on your comments.

Now this is the the hot new thing in the A I tax space, in the large language model space um for every rights of reasons I think um IT all started obviously with generate V I and the beauty to create pictures and now videos and that's unfortunately continuing its a uh you know these these new models they have object vely advanced an incredibl Epace i n t erms o f t he g eneration o f i llustrations a nd p hotos. I mean, don't look at what apple is doing a with image playground because they are effect vely to hear behind the city of the art. Now, even though IT sucks that IT exists, if you ask me, I think it's the speakable that IT exists.

But object vely speaking, its they produce remarkable results and open the eye or uh supposed to be announcing, I guess tomorrow or in in a few days the official debut of sora, which is going to be the the model to create videos. It's terrible, but these tools have advanced and continue to advanced. Then there's been the whole and this is still kind of a in the beginning phase of like this assistive version of the eye, you know these tools, these organ models, they are kind of pitched as a way to assist in your work.

And so uh using for relativity purposes for you know uh doing research uh code uh H I don't feel familiar, Steven, but this this company called cursor that is um becoming really, really popular uh especially for the past year. And it's basically an I D E where it's a bright the code for you. Yeah very popular. I see a lot of people using cursor this says um and the next evolution of this, if you think about IT, like if you using an access V I whi whenever he comes to productivity and to productivity tools, and we seen this playbook before, it's almost in in in the embedded within human nature that the next step is, oh, but how can we automate this?

Yeah, yeah. exactly.

It's all. It's natural. It's natural. We think of a new product, vd tool. We use the product vd tool.

And then we wonder, can we automate this process? Like IT happen with apple script IT happen with automated IT happen with truck cuts like IT all IT is the course of human nature to find a new productivity system, a new tool, and then to wonder, can we automate? So now the new frontier is, well, this is city V I tools.

What if we automated them? And so the way that they're doing this is given the large language model, these agent capabilities where the model is able to take actions um and perform things on your behalf. Now this takes different chips and forms.

Uh, I have seen and I never and in fact have played around with these are A I web agents. It's it's kind of funny because when you see what they are doing and there's a there are a couple of services that let you actually seen real time was happening. These companies have um created a cluster of virtualization instances of google chrome, okay? And they are running this virtual instances es of chrome in the cloud. And they have these models that are using uh vision A P S. So image recognition, the ability to pass the structure of weapons and the natural language prompts to browse around and do things for you.

I played around with one of them a couple of days ago and I asked him, um can you find the latest episode of episode is on apple podcast and give me the link for the latest episode um and you can see in real time what's going on and it's a viral zed google crown window with a model that is using image recognition and uh passing of the weapon structure uh and understanding of of your language. To browse around open types, click menu, copy, link and send ual response. Now this is the cloud version.

IT appears that was gonna be a consumer version of this trend built inside web browsers. So this is what the browser companies doing. They have understood that the money is now flowing in this direction of a version of A I that is more productivity rented and not just that because they did have A I with this sort of thing before with summaries and you know collecting of multiple sources.

But is follow the money is flowing in the direction of productivity and automation based on large language models. So this is what the building, but here is a problem. There's not the only ones building this stuff.

Yesterday I saw a link on the verge for a new browser. This is gonna. You know, if we ever do twenty, twenty five predictions, I can tell you there's gonna so many of these.

It's in surf browser. It's called surf by by a start up called data or data. I don't know.

D, E, T, A, they're building an agent and or S, I called them a agented. That's the new term they're using. They're building a web browse with an agency insight.

So IT helps you out of browse, around, take actions, organize, you know, keep track of things. You uh but the other problem guess the other two problems for the brothers company are google. I said that there's gonna do this with german, I enti google .

chrome and open the .

they increase, I guess that know what? What are they gonna call the google, the chrome company. Uh, here, here's, here's, here's a galaxy. Galaxy, bring talk for you. If google is forced to give up google chrome, you know, would be a really good name for google chrome, for non google chrome, the brothers company. But but i'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised.

I wouldn't be surprised if the brother company this is actually thought that comes from my M P C, A house random bigging, uh, I wouldn't be surprised if this people, by the brazen company is a plan to get acquired, this pivot, until you find the thing that attracts investors, they want to give you money to acquire the thing. And let me be clear this thing. A brother er with an agent is the thing right now like you are in silicon valley, this is the thing.

So hey, maybe they'll get acquired by the non google chrome company in the future. We will see. But the other the second problem so the the first problem for the razer company is that there is going to be a bunch of startups doing this. The other problem is that open a eye is expected to release a brazil in twenty twenty five.

So ChatGPT is moving from well, if you think about IT like the the biggest problem for opening eye and anthropic, uh, are, well, we own the assistant in terms of like we have a website that you can go to, we have an APP that you can download, but we don't own your Operating system. So short of being able to release actual Operating systems, these companies are are probably onto a do two things. Uh the first one the more obvious and easier one I guess is make a brother er because a .

bunch of people live a you know I mean the browser is ill in crime as this world is actually true. But for most people, the browser is the O S because you're just online, they doing stuff and the O S IT manages people, I guess. But for most people.

IT does not IT doesn't. So the first thing that gona try is make a brother er and the second thing may be build hardware now that much more chAllenging. But would IT be surprised if in in the next three years, opening eye actually comes out with hardware of their own? Um now this is potentially gone to be problematic for for the brother company. If you know there's gonna be uh chrome with N A I agent tide and you know uh ChatGPT becoming out of the GPT brother or something, uh where IT actually does a lot of things.

And can you perform actions for you and do the research for you and all that sort of stuff? Um so right now, the best company saying arc isn't going away, but you know these things go are this D R product obviously has their attention right now and this is the pivot, right? I don't fully understand how and why they couldn't say arch two is gonna be all about an agent inside the Brown er uh there must be a reason for that in in in their own minds but we don't know that reason. I first all like and I wanted to know what you think and then I have and then I have another brief uh, conversation I want to have with you about like what apple's role in all of this could be but first of all, how do you feel about in a little agent living your in your broza organizing the k base for you?

Um I mean, who knew that the rabbit or one was under the right idea the whole time, right? IT was orange and weird. But this feels very, this feels very of the moment. And I don't think this is the future like this just feels like the the latest like flash in the pan kind of thing.

And while I do think that making the brothers smarter and be able to do things for the users like that interesting, but is gonna change the world? Is that is that enough to build a company over like I I look at this and I think you're totally writing, the browser company wants to get acquired. I do like that. They throws shade like A I is not going to be in a button like, okay, sick, sick burn to. But that product .

named the C A I .

pen humane yeah.

humane.

But they also say I is not going been an apps as like OK you're being in apps like good luck with that. But the thing I most so this may be interesting, I don't love, is the future. The thing that I most sort of surprised by, like why would the browser company give up on art like you said? And you know, art is not as a hugely successful project like IT has a lot of weird ideas in IT, but the people who love IT really love that I can discard.

People are talking about right now like how they enjoy IT does things that other brothers don't do. And I don't know why you would burn the goodwill you have with your user base. And yes, they say it's gonna continue but clear, don't think it's the future of the company.

And I I don't understand why you couldn't have. This be a feature that comes to art first and then other places are like leverage what you already have in the browser you build. And just that part of their strategy really leaves me scratching my head a little bit.

Yeah yeah, I don't really understand this part. Um the other point that I wanted to raise is so if there's if this idea of agents uh with large language models that can do things for you continues to be developed and continues to like becomes a thing chage P T is removed to be getting uh support for agents at some point.

And in fact, I think, uh, just a day open the eye announced that we're gonna have twelve days of announcements starting tomorrow. Boy, they are expected to announce sora, which is text to video generation model and a bunch of all the things. Maybe they will show a teezle photographers, maybe they will show off agents, whatever we will see.

Um I think it's fascinating to see where apple may be. But now maybe what apple is behind in terms of just affect that. They don't have a large language model.

They don't have uh a seri LLM in the sense of like something you can talk to and keep the context going. Ever have a list of conversation like you can recharge P T. Or cloud.

Yeah they are behind. And the rumor to be announced in syria and next year in are us nineteen for launch in spring twenty two, twenty six. So there are eighteen months away.

So they are behind from their perspective. But i'm intrigued to see if they may be this is actually something that are writing about for my upper intelligent story. Um they may be ahead of the curve, if only by virtue of owning the Operating system with their plan to roll out apple intelligence with up intense next spring.

But the idea of syria being able to perform multiple actions with a natural language query using your favorite apps, that is effectively so most almost like a mini agent. I, I, I wouldn't call IT like an an proper agent because idea of agencies that you sell them up and you leave and running in the background performing tasks for you. Yeah, what apple showed off is being able to input a command, be like, take my marketing document from analysis and converted to P D F using P D F expert, and then send IT over, send an email to Steven with a document using Spark.

Like if those three apps implement the proper APP tents and support for apple intelligence, that's gonna a chain of actions that could be executed with a natural language query. Now that is not based on what apple shot off a repeatable right, a repeatable thing that can happen in the background over time. But apple is the usual manager of owning jobing system and owning the negative apps, which is what I doesn't have, which is what anthropic doesn't have.

And if agents is, is my angle here? If agent are gonna the thing, if a series, so if all these pieces falling to place, if a city large, large language model is actually real, gets announced ships in eighteen months, if this up intense, infused flavor of apple intelligence actually works, apple also owns shortcuts. And that is, by definition, a product that lets you set up repeatable, consistent chains of actions between O, S.

updates, the break. But sure, right.

you know set aside the performance consideration like just theoretically speaking, they do own a system. Yeah they are update IT for apple, and it's a system that potentially now we call them automation. We call them personal automation. I wouldn't be surprised if they get renewed. Something like agents, series agents and they're actually shortcuts within .

a couple of years. Yeah yeah mean, I think apple, they do have the pieces that other companies don't have. Yeah, right?

In some ways, they have the best combination of pieces, but they're like the least prepare to do anything with them, which is which is kind of unusual. Um I think the only other company kind of in in apples position is microsoft. They have an A S, they have a browser.

But while they do have some other own AI technologies, they also rely on OpenAI for a lot of things. And IT will be very curious to see what these honestly like pretty in the internet age, pretty old platforms of IOS and windows and a OS, how they evolve in this era. And so far, a lot of people just want to run a broza, and the U.

S. Is less important to more and more people. And apple and microsoft seem to be kind of swimming upstream against that to a degree.

And like, does this make that? Like what does he do to that? Does that make the O. S more relevant IT for the brothers company if they get build what they want to build. IT doesn't because there was going to have IT running in the browser and doesn't matter what that browser is running on. But if you start talking about, like you said, integrating with apps and other things beyond just your brows er tabbed, that's what apple does have more .

in its tool .

box to play with and I will be interesting to see what they do there .

yeah yeah because basically like and i'm gonna write about this gonna show off some examples um the comparison on between what you can do with tragedy theory and what you can do with A A standalone tragedy ity experience. Just comparing the two, like the two flavors, tragedy ity in a team point two built inside theory and tragedy tee stand alone in its own APP the differences are kind of ridiculous.

What what you can do, and and that's due to theory not being a persistent up, a place where you can go and find your previous conversations, find your previous context, keep the conversation going over multiple days, which is something that you can do with clouds, something you can do with chat. P, T, um so the comparison like is not even fair, to be honest. And so we're guarding some help from child P T.

Now to, you know, to basically charge beg in syria. I think the way the way that I describe this in in the in in the article that i'm working on is basically tragedy is now the replacement for of, I found this on the web for those kinds of results. And that's that's a much Better version of that theory gap, right?

Theory being unable to fulfill the request and saying, well, I found this on the web now at the very least, if you up because it's turned off, at the very least, you're getting an answer from check GPT. But it's kind of funny because you have anything like on one hand, yes, it's useful. H and and I think a lot of people are onna find IT useful, especially because you can use this for free.

But for us, the the critics, so to speak, a cana is ironic in that is useful. But IT also serves as a reminder of how limited series is still yeah right. So uh, well, they are behind, but they have this potentially exciting technology that no one has tried because this is likely gonna be eighteen point for next spring.

They made a big deal out of telling developers last june, make sure that every single functionality of your APP is now an up tent because these apple intellect feature is coming. They promised it's gonna work. No one has tried IT.

No one has a seen IT in action. Um we'll see. But yeah, I think it's kind of be interesting to compare to compare these two flavors of go to the charge P T. APP and have a proper conversation, you know have a lot of context there versus I can tie together the different apps on my phone without having to build the shortcut by hand just by issuing a natural language prompt.

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So yeah, i'm i'm in a bit of a difficult spot. So we're are going to try a new strategy. You want to get to make a because we like to keep things fresh after fifteen years.

After fifteen years, people shouldn't expect what the thing they're expecting from me. Fifteen years, right? I mean, you and I we've been on the internet for pretty much same yeah amount amount of time you keep things fresh, otherwise people get bored with you.

right? You never perform a month just .

to get the exactly is what is what we're gonna do. We're gonna have standalone article about all the changes in the U. S. And apple point. You and I am going to write about apple intelligence, but with my with my spin on IT.

because you are running IT, right? Can you remind people of what is your state with apple intelligence?

Yes, my state is that I for work reasons uh because uh we gotto have capital c content um on the podcast on the website and I don't wanna be a little car margin. Not trying things. I gave up on my on my dream to use my new real italian apple account.

I went back to my U. S. Apple account. And even though I am geographically initially with my U. S.

Apple account and my devices region set to english, I can use apple intelligence. And IT is no longer geo restricted like he used to be a few months ago. So i'm using IT. Um yeah and I would like you to have this candidate. I was sort of expecting a point to come out next tuesday yeah right.

We're getting pretty close to the holidays .

really exactly. But usually we would ever risk candidate by now. And if i'm not mistaken, didn't apple release A A point two or big point three a couple of years ago in mid december? I could see a six at december fifteen or december sixteen release actually.

yeah. So ryan, over ninety five put this together. I O S, seventeen point two was december eleven. Sixteen point two was a simple thirteen th, fifteen point two was just thirteen is today is the fourth. So i've got nine days. But I I would have expected through leases candidate today at at kind of the latest is maybe it's you know maybe it's tomorrow or friday, but that doesn't you know I don't leave a lot of time. It's it's very strange.

What's but yeah so are you using application? Like first, what do you have? Eighteen point two?

Yes, I I have eighteen point two on my Carry phone, which is um very exciting. Sometimes think things don't work. Uh see I have been using IT and you know the features are are really scatter shot. Like I don't envy your task of like reviewing apple intelligence because IT is not a cohesive strategy. It's a bunch of features scattered across the OS and sometimes in ways that don't make much sense in the way they're immigrated.

Well, it's easier if you straight up refuse to cover the general aspects of IT. That's just what .

i'm doing. That is true. Um I think the best part of IT, sorry, is the gene mogi. Like I think that that's fine.

I think that art style is way Better than image playgrounds, which does not the good and is garbage. And but the gm O G is fun and you know enjoyed sitting these people. There are some of our group chat for around .

yeah those are decent. I'm not sure if i'm going to include a least a little section about those in my story um but i'm going to taking a turn to focus on on and I get an episode sorry about this. We join last week like much more interested in the in the product productive ity angle here yeah can they actually like how can you actually use this? Like why is why can this stuff actually be fall to you when you're when you're using your iphone, your or you're working on your ipad like that out of stuff .

and and that's the deep question, right? Like it's fun to like make a little picture of a know somebody on a surfboard surfing on ocean of money, you know the day that apple's results come out, but it's probably not useful for your work. And I think most people like through the proactive lens.

It's things like the writing tools and maybe the visual search um maybe which are out of all the features. Those are the two that I ve used the least the visual one honestly afford exists like i've used in a couple of times. But IT has made no impact on me. What soever in terms of like sticking my phone is on the what am I seeing like I just as not .

need that I feel like I have yeah yeah. So I i'm in fun with this article, so trying to compare the kind of experience that you get with apple intelligence s and chat G G P T versus what you get with other other stand alone apps. Um and I think it's gonna be I think it's gone.

I am gonna be interested in cn if regular people were by regular people, I mean people don't listen to the show, read mac stories. It's a pretty clear divide I think. Right um chat P T for I O S tragedy t for iphone is consistently the most downloaded APP on the up store .

on like and .

I believe just today i'm looking up the numbers now just open the eyes announced they have three hundred million weekly active users.

SHE is so three .

hundred million weekly active users and one billion, one billion with A B messages sent to charge vt every day.

This so that .

this is from thirty minutes ago. So um you know it's obvious ly it's the most the up on the up or continues to grow um one of the if not the fastest growing um this software in recent history. I'm sceptical that people will see the new integration in theory as a replacement for that up experience though, and I think for most people will likely be a falling back of like a yeah I guess siri can now instead of saying years web result, I guess now at least a gives me an answer but it's no thanks but it's no thanks to theory right, 哼 if if .

anything IT IT damages series already like us to reputation .

exactly like are only getting Better because you're getting a little help from your friends physical uh， you you're not really smarter. You just struck a deal. Get proper answers.

Yeah.

literally struck a deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, so I don't think having charge between theory will change the fact the charge. Pity for iphone is the most noted upon the epson burgos.

I i'm gona keep in in 能 keep here on on you know what what people in my real life say if they noticed。 Um I mean, I guess they won't notice in a few months because in italy will only have access to apple intelligence at some point in the spring. But it's going to be you know you know what even you keep on I on regular people in america. You do IT. I can't.

I will keep an .

I in amErica yeah but my best.

I think it's not going great.

Speak of a difficult job.

yeah. It's tRicky in places we we've talked about this other people have talked about this. But IT is I think the most compelling part of of what apple has shown so far is the new the new theory, like where IT knows about things in your apps and not having that available right now, like I think people are gonna underwhelmed definitely by the new syrian.

Like has that fancy animation, which may or may not be HDR. But IT is the same. Theory is just falls back to ChatGPT.

And like I have all that wired up, and I don't think a single time i've gone a ChatGPT on purpose through theory. I just open the ChatGPT per year. You your observation.

And so I .

don't I don't really know what can have a difference that's gonna make. I just I don't know, maybe i'm thinking about IT wrong. Maybe maybe there are people who have not, and i'm sure there are people who have not used ChatGPT.

This will be their first experience with IT. They may not even know it's its own nap and like they don't really understand the difference between like syria and ChatGPT. And I think some of that may be actually confusing for some users and and that's something I want to keep the eye on.

No, I mean, there are, at the very least, you know, on planet earth, you know, at this, you know six and change more billion people that could potentially use charge. pity. So yeah, obviously like the power the power of having IT built in your phone, right? And there's obviously something to that. no. And you know knowing apple, you know they're onna tell you they're gonna be a splash screen somewhere turning you hey, now you can enable this.

And so you know that's gonna catch people's attention um but I still think it's not to change the fact that a lot of people now and I see this I I see this right now, I noticed IT especially now with the holidays and family gatherings, I see ChatGPT installed on people's iphones yeah they don't they don't have an account. They use IT for free. Um some of them have an account or they don't subscribe.

But but I see the APP on people's phones. They're using IT. It's like it's for a lot of people it's like in the new google, right? Yeah.

yeah, the search is compelling. Jason, I talked about that are not .

great on monday. Yeah, oh, I I shall haven't got to that part spoilers.

I do also wonder, I mean, you have series, you have ChatGPT, you know, I wonder what sort of average sers will think of the writing tools? I think the proof reading stuff is useful. Are people going to like writing email and then hit the button and so I can make this more friendly like I I just don't know.

I mean, that is the one that is really hard for me. And onest anything probably you to evaluate because we are writers for a living. And I been I used gram as A A grammer checking thing, but I don't let IT change my tone. I leave a lot of things that gram y says are wrong because it's the way that I write. But IT is IT is interesting, I think, to see what people will do with those, with those sets.

the tools. Yeah, yeah.

I don't know, eighteen point two. It's coming.

It's coming at some point.

maybe probably soon.

but not yet.

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This is the most if a product could emboss your persona, Steven, and any wasn't A G E for imac. This will probably be second in line. o.

I'm not sure what that means. I don't know.

it's got, it's got Steven energy .

all over IT. It's got some some .

energy ah so yes.

this is a kick starter campaign. I will say right now I do not recommend back in this campaign. Don't do IT uh, IT is a external touch bar. They call a touch .

Green key pad. Yes.

that is, I mean, look like a touch bar. And the ideas you pug IT into your mac or your PC.

potentially even .

in your iphone and ipad. And through their software, it'll be integrated with a bunch of U O, S. And apps and they promise on to plugins, including i'm looking at the screen shot, youtube, the office apps, adobe adobe cloud discord. I don't know if do we know about this product.

My guess is that they .

don't they probably don't. They probably don't. Um using a javascript t plug a javascript based pluggin SDK you can easily implement on with any functionality on the flex par with your own integrated their party apps OK.

We will see how that goes. That's all fine. I guess like the two things, several things to atomic one, their goal was only twenty six hundred dollars.

That actually was two thousand five hundred sixty nine dollars. nice. I don't know a lot about harder manufacturing, but that doesn't seem like a lot of money.

Can you tell me? First of all, is this are these flex bars going to be refurbished? Touch bar.

I don't know where the heart was. I me surely not. I don't think there's a bit of those like floating around now and they're all tired of the t to like this is a spoke .

hardware or so this this is new hardware based on the same concept as .

the yes are based on the idea of the touch bar.

okay. So this is not like because I saw like some I am saying the touch barriers back as a kick starter but is like this is not the touch bar. It's a touch bar for the modern age if IT exists.

Yeah yes, that is the the idea of the touch bar brought back, which again, I don't know if people want. I mean, they have backers. They have they have some number of backers, five hundred and eighty two. So there's some people who want this. I just don't know.

I just I think it's interesting that someone that there are clear people who did like to touch bar, let me say first of all, and quite people who think that this is a useful tool, but like this in IT, like third party hardware, a third party software, windows and max support, like if you want something like this, go by a steam, a stream deck like that. That's answer. Not not this thing.

Yeah, mike, I don't understand why you would get this and I don't mean to like to be negative about like a harder project by IT seems like a new companies and a best of luck to them. But if you're looking for customization and a really viBrant and healthy third party developer local system, I don't know why you wouldn't get a stream deck because maybe it's not as compact as a thin touch bar that you can place something on your desk shore. Um but IT seems to me like this product is trying to solve the same problem that is currently being solved by really popular inexpensive hardware by a company with a proven track record and a redivide ant third party marked place for integrations. Yeah and so I mean, IT IT almost reads to me as a mean product more than anything like go yet look, we're bringing back to touch bar, you know yeah .

maybe I just IT made the rounds in the upper world so fiercely yesterday, which I think they launched like two days ago, is a very Young campaign um and include leaning into that right so we're bringing the touch and that's want people to to consider and like to like I got to you know for somebody like maybe I was not a harsh on this, my blog post, I don't mean these folks and like I will will like you know go out and try things.

This doesn't seem like a compelling product and IT and I think saying h we brought the touch for our back is like actually kind of a really in interesting, but maybe slightly problematic way to describe this product. I've read something I forget. I think IT was one of the many blog link to this.

They were like the touch bar, enjoyed great offers support for many years like no one in IT, like no, no third party kind of adopted IT. Apple never really extended what I could do. And then IT went away in four or five years.

And I think the stream deck shows that people want some of this. Like, I got a stream deck excel right here under my monitor. I use that all the time.

And I think the four factor, the stream decks, is also more compelling. Like, this thing is gonna t flat on your desk and got a USB c cable coming out the side. And like, and the stream deck is really, really nice. There's one picture or gift, I guess, and make sort of page of somebody leaning IT up, like in the hinge of their laptop. Can you imagine closing .

your laptop for getting IT in there? Yeah, no, yeah, no, no. over. Do not do that.

Suddenly I give my honour. IT is interesting, but I don't think it's something that is going to prove successful. I just, I just not see that that happening. No.

did you ever, in a ican recall, ever really use the touch bar?

The only thing I consistently used hit four was media control. And sometimes speaking out an egg like I never got into, like, oh, let me edit photos with IT or use IT in logic, like, I never made its way in my workplace at all.

I I think I remember these conversations. I also remember like people doing some things like using Better touch tool to put together some buttons and .

excute from the touch bar I did tapped at the computers .

at hot dog. nice. That's a productivity boost.

Am a developer.

You are you technically are now. Yeah, don't don't put a touch bar in wages. Smith, please.

I will do my best. You know, one may just fall in there.

but you may be tempted to do .

IT but don't do IT. Yeah exclude what is this as an ipad user ah so so the search bar does live on inside car, kind of is still in there. I don't actually .

I think I think yeah .

but like an ipad user, like is something like this like physics controls interesting to you or like the media playback on the keyboard?

Enough is actually a good question because like thank you as a just a few yeah you welcome um you do have those on the casion um a few weeks ago I went down this rabid hole of do you know Steven that legato they made uh I believe it's called stream deck kit yes, the framework to support a string duck in your ipad APP.

I remember .

this and I am fairly certain that no third party developers whatsoever have added support for stream deck kit on the ipad apps. I think there's one or two a gotto apps that actually let you use string duck commands with an ipad APP. By got, I think it's, well, a goto Cameron, a got to capture or something like that.

I have looked foreign wide, foreign de, and I couldn't find a single result of a third party upset, said on the ipad we now integrate with with a stream deck yeah um I would love to have IT when I work at my jsc like but the problem is here is the problem. Like I would love of siding for ipad to support the stream deck so that I could execute pacific plugged gains or commands just by pressing a physical button on my desk when i'm working with the ipad. What the problem with the stream dock on the ipad is that due to how driver kit is built and due to how die, I guess, that the stream deck S D is built, those comments are gonna be a specific when you're on the home screen or when you're using safari, you won.

Be able to do anything because apple is never going to support stream that kit in the ipad to s and even then, if you're develop of an ipad APP like you're already part of a nish, right? Oh, it's the ipad version of of my APP, so it's really quite a nish ah. And then to support like IT would be like a niche of a niche to say, well, it's stream that kid on the ipad like it's I understand why nobody's doing IT and so I am on principle very much interested and and I almost bought one of those like stream deck neo models, the cancer of you, they're rid ute and almost got one of what what am I onna use IT for you know yeah yeah .

let me be against the button to my ipad that I Carry around is kind of a weird .

it's kind of weird.

kind of weird too.

Now I am a favorite weird things.

of course.

but those buttons will mostly be blank when connected to my ipad. So um yeah I can you imagine though, like a signa shortcut to the stream deck on the ipad and you run a shortcut. I mean, the opposite dian folks could may be considered.

You know I could see I I could see drafts also been like a really good candidate. The string deck kit on the ipad. I could see a of what are some automation apps? Are some programing apps on the ipad?

You could to get one n of IT. But yeah, it's must be onto be like apps that have like a strong automation component building. And so yeah, opposition on and drafts come to mind. Well.

we'll keep in out on that. I was poking around the stream deck kit, uh, get her project and it's very quiet.

And there, yes, like I said, nobody's doing IT. Yeah.

it's gna sad. IT is .

gna said.

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