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In Panama economic needs threaten to erase a way of life

2025/2/13
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Alejandrina Muñoz
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Digna Benite
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Jorge Luis Quijano
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一位专注于电动车和能源领域的播客主持人和内容创作者。
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Digna Benite: 我在这里出生长大,这条河流就是我的生命。清澈的河水涨落,对我来说就是和谐。如果建造水坝,我们与大自然的联系将被切断,就像被杀死一样。我们现在的生活方式依赖于河流和土地,比如我们亲手采摘和烘烤咖啡豆,这都是我们生活的一部分。失去这一切,就等于失去我们的根。 Oligario Cereño: 我带你们看的地方,就是未来水坝的所在地。政府计划在这里建造水坝,解决巴拿马运河的水资源问题,但这会淹没我们的家园和土地。我们世世代代生活在这里,与河流共生,水坝的建设将彻底改变我们的生活。 Steven Patton: 作为史密森尼热带研究所的科研人员,我长期研究巴拿马的气候变化。近十年来,我们观测到极端干旱的频率增加,这可能与气候变化有关,也可能只是自然波动。但无论如何,巴拿马运河确实面临水资源短缺的挑战,寻找解决方案迫在眉睫。我们既要关注科学数据,也要关注对当地居民的影响。 Jorge Luis Quijano: 作为前巴拿马运河管理局局长,我深知运河对巴拿马乃至全球经济的重要性。我们正在寻找增加运河供水的方法,水坝建设是其中一个选项。我们会确保受水坝建设影响的居民得到妥善安置,并改善他们的生活条件,例如提供电力和饮用水。我们理解他们的担忧,但希望他们能理解运河对整个国家的意义。 Alejandrina Muñoz: 我们在这里生活得很好,有干净的水源,有太阳能发电,一切都很富足。如果水坝建成,我们的家园将被淹没,我们不知道该去哪里。我们不想要政府承诺的奢华生活,我们只想守护我们的家园和河流。我们祖祖辈辈生活在这里,这里就是我们的根,我们不会轻易放弃。

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We're standing at the edge of this beautiful river. I can see little fish swimming just under the surface. There's a small hand-carved wooden canoe floating under a tree.

What does this body of water mean to you? This river is my whole life, says 60-year-old Digna Benite. She smiles wistfully under her straw hat. She grew up here on the Rio Indio in a small village in Panama called Limón de Chagres. She would play in the water while her father caught fish. The water is so clear, so transparent, so clean that it runs, goes up and down. That's...

The water is so clean and calm, she says, it rises and falls. For me, it's harmony. A long, narrow boat pulls up. Digna Benite and a younger man named Oligario Cereño help us climb in and we pull away from the shore. The boat pulls over to the edge of the Rio Indio.

And we climb up some steep stairs that are basically carved into the mud bank. Oligario, what are you showing us? Here I'm showing you where the dam would be, he says. The Rio Indio Dam. It doesn't exist yet, but authorities intend to start building it in just a couple years. Panama has been looking for solutions to a long-term problem.

Every time a ship passes through the Panama Canal, more than 50 million gallons of fresh water from Lake Gatun pour out into the ocean. Nobody ever thought Panama could run out of water. It is one of the rainiest countries in the world. But a couple years ago, a drought got so bad that the canal had to reduce traffic by more than a third, which had a huge impact on global shipping.

Consider this. The Panama Canal needs more water, and authorities have decided to get it by building a dam in a spot that would displace Digna, Olegario, and more than 2,000 other people. From NPR, I'm Ari Shapiro.

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We stand in the shade of a wild coffee tree, the fragrance like honeysuckle, wafting off branches full of white blossoms. Señora Digna.

When you see this place and you think about what might happen here, what goes through your head? I feel as if they would kill us because we wouldn't be surrounded by nature anymore. Where we see the coffee that we ourselves harvest with our hands, it's

For example, this coffee plant that we're standing by, I grab the bean, I take it, I toast it, and then that's the coffee that I have in the mornings. It would be simplistic to say this problem is all because of climate change. Climate scientists say the data point to a more complicated reality.

At the shore of another body of water, tropical birds squabble in the trees at the edge of the jungle. Lake Gatun is a freshwater reservoir created by the construction of another dam more than a century ago during the creation of the Panama Canal. My name is Steven Patton, and I'm in charge of the physical monitoring program for the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute. Patton has no view on whether the much smaller Rio Indio Dam should be built or not.

What he does have is research, perhaps more than any other tropical rainforest in the world. Our data goes back to 1880 when the French first arrived to start doing their construction. One of the first things they did was to install climate stations because they knew that rainfall was going to be an incredibly important thing.

As we walk down a modern metal dock, a startled iguana takes a swan dive. It just jumped off the dock into the water and climbed up on a rock. I can see it down there now. Patton says a couple years ago that iguana might have landed on dry dirt. Imagine right now the water is only about two feet below the level of the dock. It was something like

10, 12 feet. We had to go down a ladder to get on the boat. And for you as a researcher, is that like, this feels dire and frightening? Or is it like, what an exciting thing to research? Whenever you see a really impactful phenomenon, there's the scientist side saying, wow, that's really fascinating. But then the other human side says, ooh, that's really bad. The drought was caused by El Nino, and scientists have not found a clear connection between El Nino and a warming planet.

But Patton says there are some strange patterns emerging. The driest years in more than a century of record-keeping have been in just the last decade. So we don't know whether this is just an outlier, that it was just random. We just threw three double sixes in a row.

or whether it represents the canary in the coal mine. That helps explain why Panama is looking for ways to increase the supply of fresh water to the canal. Right now, we are late by six years. Jorge Luis Quijano was administrator of the canal from 2012 to 2019. The funding for that project included...

Half of it was for actual environmental and social aspects. What is your message to the people in the communities who would be displaced by the construction of this dam? We're going to make sure that we relocate them to a place where they can continue with their life and probably improve on that. They are in areas where there's no electricity.

So one of the things that this project could probably provide is also hydroelectric power. They have no potable water. We would have a potable water plant as well. They have a marginal lifestyle. We are happy here. We have water.

We have electricity because we have solar panels. We have everything here. Back in the village of Limón de Chagres, Alejandrina Muñoz washes dishes as she prepares a breakfast of eggs, yuca, and coffee sweetened with sugar cane. Everything she cooks comes from her land or from the river. She says fresh water from a nearby mountain spring flows right into her home and pours out of the tap.

If the dam is built, what will this place be? It would be underwater, and where are we going to go? The canal authority told us they haven't yet decided where displaced people would be resettled. To Muñoz, this is the opposite of a marginal lifestyle. She experiences abundance more than hardship.

Relatives who live in the city sometimes drive here to take extra food off her hands. There's a hand-painted sign in front of her house. And it says, for a green Panama and for respect of nature, we do not want a reservoir or a dam. Ah!

As we walk through the village, most of the houses have similar signs. No a los reservorio, no to the reservoir, they say. Dozens of community members have gathered in a shaded outdoor meeting space next to the church to tell us how they feel. I ask the group whether anyone feels tempted by the life of luxury that the government promises. No, we won't accept it, they say.

If anyone here supports the government proposal, we couldn't find them. After several people express their individual views, the group stands together and joins in a chant. Our river is not for sale. We will defend it, they shout.

This is almost to a word the same chant that urban Panamanians yelled as they shut down wide avenues of Panama City last week, protesting President Trump's effort to take the Panama Canal. The villagers say this is a smaller version of the same argument. To them, it's about sovereignty and respect.

This episode was produced by Karen Zamora, Rolando Arrieta, Andrea Salcedo, Alejandra Marquez-Hance, and Tomas Ayuso. It was edited by Courtney Dourning and Nadia Lancy with help from Alejandra Barunda and Nila Banerjee. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan.

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