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Separating election facts from fiction

2024/11/3
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Scott Dutrow:就2024年美国总统大选的最终结果,民调显示结果可能取决于几千张选票。无论谁胜选,特朗普及其盟友可能会散布大量误导性信息、谣言和谎言。 Myles Parks:关于非法移民投票的说法,所有研究都表明这极其罕见。虽然偶尔会有个别案例,但存在强大的威慑作用。许多保守派评论员和共和党议员仍在重复这种说法,尽管联邦法律禁止大多数州要求提供公民身份证明才能投票,但政府官员有能力核查公民身份。目前没有证据表明存在大规模有组织的非公民投票计划。2020年大选的叙事开始过时,而移民问题是目前右翼的主要政治焦点,因此两者结合成了一个新的叙事。非公民投票的叙事之所以有效,是因为它确实偶尔会发生,这使得它更难被驳斥。关于选举舞弊的说法,每次投票都会有记录,所以大规模作弊是不可能的。如果存在大规模作弊,就会被发现,因为选举过程中有来自两党的观察员。特朗普声称宾夕法尼亚州存在大规模作弊行为。如果特朗普输掉宾夕法尼亚州或总统大选,他很可能会声称选举舞弊。宾夕法尼亚州的计票规则导致邮寄选票的计票时间比现场投票更长,这可能会被用来支持选举舞弊的说法。选举后,邮寄选票(主要为民主党选票)的计票时间将比共和党选票更长,这将为特朗普提供支持其选举舞弊说法的素材。许多诉讼正在进行中,目标是选举管理和计票过程中的各个方面。共和党全国委员会和特朗普竞选团队声称,这些诉讼是为了维护选举保障措施,确保只计算合法选票。诉讼的目标包括选民登记册、邮寄选票的处理方式以及特定邮寄选票是否应该被计算在内。特朗普竞选团队和共和党似乎正在为可能出现的挑战选举结果的情况做准备。目前尚不清楚这些虚假信息对选民的影响有多大,民调结果存在矛盾。大多数人对当地选举工作人员充满信心,这是一个积极的信号。 Myles Parks: 关于非法移民投票的说法,所有研究都表明这极其罕见。虽然偶尔会有个别案例,但存在强大的威慑作用。许多保守派评论员和共和党议员仍在重复这种说法,尽管联邦法律禁止大多数州要求提供公民身份证明才能投票,但政府官员有能力核查公民身份。目前没有证据表明存在大规模有组织的非公民投票计划。2020年大选的叙事开始过时,而移民问题是目前右翼的主要政治焦点,因此两者结合成了一个新的叙事。非公民投票的叙事之所以有效,是因为它确实偶尔会发生,这使得它更难被驳斥。关于选举舞弊的说法,每次投票都会有记录,所以大规模作弊是不可能的。如果存在大规模作弊,就会被发现,因为选举过程中有来自两党的观察员。特朗普声称宾夕法尼亚州存在大规模作弊行为。如果特朗普输掉宾夕法尼亚州或总统大选,他很可能会声称选举舞弊。宾夕法尼亚州的计票规则导致邮寄选票的计票时间比现场投票更长,这可能会被用来支持选举舞弊的说法。选举后,邮寄选票(主要为民主党选票)的计票时间将比共和党选票更长,这将为特朗普提供支持其选举舞弊说法的素材。许多诉讼正在进行中,目标是选举管理和计票过程中的各个方面。共和党全国委员会和特朗普竞选团队声称,这些诉讼是为了维护选举保障措施,确保只计算合法选票。诉讼的目标包括选民登记册、邮寄选票的处理方式以及特定邮寄选票是否应该被计算在内。特朗普竞选团队和共和党似乎正在为可能出现的挑战选举结果的情况做准备。目前尚不清楚这些虚假信息对选民的影响有多大,民调结果存在矛盾。大多数人对当地选举工作人员充满信心,这是一个积极的信号。

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Key Insights

Why is the 2024 presidential election expected to be extremely close?

Polling across the board has nearly every swing state in a statistical tie, meaning the election may come down to just a couple thousand votes.

What narrative is Donald Trump likely to push if he loses the 2024 election?

Trump is expected to claim widespread cheating and fraud, similar to his claims in 2020, alleging that Democrats are a threat to democracy.

What is the reality regarding non-citizen voting in the U.S. elections?

Non-citizen voting is incredibly rare, with recent audits finding only a handful of confirmed cases out of millions of voters. However, it occasionally happens, and there are serious legal consequences for those caught.

Why do some conservative commentators and lawmakers continue to push the narrative of widespread non-citizen voting?

This narrative is politically salient, especially in the context of the current immigration debate. It also has a small element of truth, making it harder to debunk completely.

What is the truth about mail-in ballot fraud?

While mail-in voting is marginally more vulnerable to fraud, there is no evidence of widespread fraud. Most instances are caught and dealt with at a local level, and both parties monitor the process closely.

What is expected to happen if Trump loses Pennsylvania or the overall election?

There is a full expectation that Trump will claim the vote was rigged, especially in states like Pennsylvania where mail ballots take longer to count and are likely to be predominantly Democratic.

How might the counting of votes differ in swing states compared to non-swing states?

Swing states might take longer to count votes, especially mail ballots, due to close margins and specific state rules. Non-swing states also see vote totals shift in the days after the election but receive less scrutiny.

What are some of the lawsuits targeting in the lead-up to the 2024 election?

Lawsuits are targeting various aspects of election administration, including voter rolls, specific aspects of mail ballot submission, and whether certain mail ballots should be counted.

How do Americans feel about the integrity of the upcoming election?

There is a mix of concern about voter fraud and confidence in how elections are run, with a majority concerned but over 70% confident in the election process. There is also optimism in the confidence voters have in local election workers.

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The discussion focuses on the factual rarity of non-citizen voting and the consequences for those who do.
  • Non-citizen voting is incredibly rare, with recent audits finding minimal cases.
  • Election officials have mechanisms to detect and prosecute non-citizen voters.
  • The threat of losing the path to citizenship acts as a deterrent.

Shownotes Transcript

In these closing days of the presidential election, polling across the board has nearly every swing state in a statistical tie, meaning the election may come down to just a couple thousands votes. No matter who wins, in the coming days we're going to hear a lot more from Donald Trump and his allies about the results. And if history is any guide we can expect a mix of misleading information, rumors and outright lies For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [email protected] more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)