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Trumps first 100 days have pushed the limits of presidential power to new levels

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旁白: 特朗普总统上任头100天,通过大量行政命令,绕过国会,直接采取行动,挑战了美国政府的三权分立原则。他签署的来自国会的法案数量创下70年来新低,更多地依靠单方面行政行动,例如削减国会拨款,甚至公然违抗法院命令,例如拒绝遣返一名被错误遣返的移民。这些行为引发了对美国政府权力平衡的担忧。 Mara Liasson: 特朗普总统的行为对美国政府体系构成了威胁,因为这挑战了三权分立的原则,司法部门由于行政部门的不合作而无法执行裁决,这导致了行政部门和司法部门之间不断升级的对抗。如果这种趋势持续下去,可能会导致行政权力极度扩张,而立法和司法部门则被削弱。 Susan Davis: 特朗普总统的做法是前所未有的,他侵犯了国会决定纳税人资金如何使用的宪法权力。共和党议员们对他的行为基本上没有进行阻止,他们认为这是对美国纳税人的正确做法。特朗普总统还试图通过行政命令来有效地从椭圆形办公室立法,几乎涵盖了从移民到选举法的方方面面。他上任100天内发布的行政命令数量,几乎与拜登总统整个四年任期内发布的数量一样多。虽然他不是第一个试图通过行政命令来立法的总统,但他无疑加剧了这种趋势。 Mara Liasson: 共和党在众议院的微弱多数席位使得他们难以妥协并通过立法。特朗普总统倾向于通过行政命令来处理移民、外交政策和贸易等领域的问题,因为在这些领域,总统拥有相当大的自由裁量权。国会的低效为总统在这些问题上采取行动创造了机会,因为国会多年来一直无法通过立法来解决棘手的问题。共和党议员们对特朗普总统表现出顺从的态度,部分原因是他们认为自己只有两年的时间窗口来取得尽可能多的胜利,因为中期选举可能对他们不利。他们别无选择,只能全力支持特朗普。特朗普总统的行为是否符合选民的预期,还有待观察。国会放弃其宪法责任,这对于国家运作方式具有深远的影响。国会立法能力的下降构成了严重的宪法危机,因为它会导致政府较少反映民意。下一步将取决于特朗普总统是否会违抗司法命令,以及司法部门将如何回应,以及公众对这些变化的看法。

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The first 100 days of President Trump's term have at times felt like a tectonic shift in American government. So it might surprise you that so far, Trump has only signed five bills from Congress into law. The

the fewest to start a presidential administration in seven decades. That's according to an analysis by Time magazine. Trump has instead governed largely by unilateral executive action and left lawmakers on the sidelines. He listed some of those actions at a rally in Michigan on Tuesday. Last month, they signed a historic executive order to begin the process. They signed executive orders to abolish critical race theory. They signed an order that will end automatic

I also signed an order to require proof. And I signed an order making English the official language of the United States. Executive orders are not new, but Trump has pushed the limits of his power further than any modern president. He's slashed money appropriated by Congress, a move Democratic Senator Patty Murray of Washington said

attacked as unconstitutional in an NPR interview earlier this year. We pass it with Democrats and Republicans in the House and Senate. The president signs it into law. He cannot then break that law and say, well, I like this part, but not this part. That's called impoundment, and it is illegal. And his administration has resisted court orders saying they infringe on the president's constitutional authority.

On Tuesday, Trump was asked in an ABC interview about Kilmar Abrego-Garcia. He's an immigrant who the Trump administration deported to a Salvadoran prison by mistake, a mistake they have admitted. The Supreme Court has affirmed a federal judge's order that the Trump administration facilitate Abrego-Garcia's return from El Salvador. ABC correspondent Terry Moran pressed Trump on that point. And depending how you define facilitate...

Trump seemed to admit he was defying the order. You could get him back. There's a phone on his desk. I could. You could pick it up, and with all the power of the presidency, you could call up the president of El Salvador and say, send him back right now. And if he were the gentleman that you say he is, I would do that. But the court has ordered you to facilitate that. Consider this. In his first 100 days, Trump's actions have challenged what are supposed to be co-equal branches of government. How have they responded? ♪

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It's Consider This from NPR. President Trump is pushing the boundaries of executive power in nearly every area of policy, from his trade war to immigration to education to the federal workforce. Many of Trump's actions are a direct challenge to the courts and to Congress, the two branches of government designed to act as checks on the president. NPR political correspondents Mara Liason and Susan Davis have been covering this power dynamic. They join me now. Hi to both of you. Hi there. Hi there.

Mara, if you could kick us off. I want to start here with just a very basic question. What is at stake with this push from President Trump and his allies to consolidate power within the executive branch? What's at stake is our system of government. You know, the founders designed a system with three co-equal branches. They believed in broadly distributed power, what we call checks and balances. They knew that they couldn't stop someone from being elected who they would have said had authority.

monarchical tendencies. They wouldn't have said authoritarian. But they did think that this broadly distributed power system could stop that person from doing a lot of damage if he was elected. But now we're going to have a test of that

because the judiciary, which is one of the co-equal branches, cannot enforce its ruling. It depends on willing acceptance of its role as a co-equal branch of government by the executive. And we are now in the midst of a kind of rolling escalation of confrontation between the executive and the judicial branch.

And depending on how it comes out, we might end up with a system that has a vastly empowered executive and a kind of withered judicial and legislative branch. Sue, over to you. When Congress is controlled by the same party as the White House as it is now, there's not generally much pushback on the president. So tell us what's different about this moment. Right. Like part of this isn't a new story. Congress over many decades has been ceding power to the executives. Some scholars would argue that dates back as far as the New Deal.

But no president has gone as far as Donald Trump to intrude on Congress's constitutional power to decide how taxpayer dollars are spent. This Elon Musk-led effort to cut spending has effectively shuttered agencies and institutions funded by Congress. And Republican lawmakers have by and large just gotten out of their way. This is Speaker Mike Johnson back in February saying he supported what the president was doing. It looks radical.

It's not. I call it stewardship. I think they're doing right by the American taxpayer. And we support that principle. The speaker did acknowledge that a lot of these actions are going to be challenged in the courts and they'll have to respect that. I'll just note, though, it's not just Doge. The president is also trying to effectively legislate from the Oval Office through executive orders on Doge.

practically everything from immigration to election law. Right. Like consider that in his first 100 days, Trump has issued around 139 executive actions. That's almost as much, Juana, as former President Biden issued in his entire four years in office. In that same 100-day time period, Congress has only passed five laws. It's the lowest number in decades.

But again, Trump is not the first president to make law. Recall former President Biden tried to do the same thing with his student loan forgiveness program that was struck down by the Supreme Court. But Trump is certainly acting as an accelerant on this practice. Well, Mara, if Republicans control the White House and Congress, why doesn't Trump just try to propose and pass legislation, which is the way, as a former congressional reporter, the system was intended to work?

It was intended to work that way, but if you have an extremely small majority, as the Republicans do, that means you have to compromise. And that's hard. And when past presidents tried to do very big lifts and big, ambitious pieces of legislation, they had bigger majorities. But also...

Not passing a lot of things through legislation goes with President Trump's concept of executive power. He is the EO president, not the legislative president. And he gravitates towards things like immigration and foreign policy and trade, which were areas where presidents have a pretty free hand. They don't need the judicial branch or the executive branch to do what they want to do. But the other thing about executive orders is they are not permanent. What executive orders giveth, the executive orders of the next president can take it away.

And I also think Trump has benefited from a reality in which Congress has been incapable for years of passing legislation to solve tough issues. I think immigration is probably the best example of that. Former President Reagan was the last president to sign a comprehensive immigration bill into law.

So when Congress is this dysfunctional, it just creates an opportunity for the president to act on those issues. I got to ask about the politics here. Republicans control the House by just a narrow two-seat margin, which I imagine must factor into the calculations on Capitol Hill. Always. I mean, the party in the White House almost always loses seats in the midterms. And I talked to Kevin Kosar about this. He's a congressional scholar with the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute. And he spoke to what I think is a pretty commonly held view here in D.C. that Republicans are likely operating within a two-year window.

The amount of deference that legislators are showing is to some degree like we just have to do this to see if we can rack up as many wins as possible because those midterms are...

probably not going to go our way. The majority largely rises or falls on the popularity of the president. So there's really no ability for Republicans here to create any daylight with Trump. So they just have to go all in. Mara, was any of this a surprise to voters who voted for Trump based on promises to make exactly the kind of changes we are seeing him make right now? Well, I think that to some people it has been a surprise. Remember, voters were tired of a broken, gridlocked Congress. That's part of why Trump got elected. He was the change candidate. Voters wanted change.

We're going to find out soon whether all these things were the kind of change they expected. But I think what...

Sue was talking about Congress abdicating its role is so important here. This is a voluntary giving up of their constitutional responsibilities. And remember, Article 1 is about the legislative branch. The founders decided to put them first. And look, this is consequential to how this country works. Congress was designed by the founders to be the branch that was most closely in touch with the people and best serves this ideal of self-governance.

I spoke to Professor Joseph Postel of at Hillsdale College, and he spoke to the urgency of it. Regardless of who the president is and regardless of which party controls Congress, I see the decline of a Congress that legislates as a serious constitutional crisis. Because, look, arguably, if you shift more power to the executive, you have a government that is less reflective of the will of the people.

Mara, you said that this is a test for really the entire system of American government. So help us understand what might come next. Well, what comes next is, does Donald Trump defy a judicial order? And then what does the judicial branch of government do since it has no power to enforce that order? The other thing that comes next is what does the public think about all this?

Do they like the changes that Trump is making in terms of expanding executive power? Our latest NPR poll, NPR Marist PBS poll, showed that his approval rating is only 39 percent and 45 percent of people gave Donald Trump an F for his first 100 days in office. That is NPR's Mara Liason and Susan Davis. Thanks to both of you. You're welcome. You're welcome.

This episode was produced by Connor Donovan. It was edited by Kelsey Snell and Jeanette Woods. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Juana Summers.

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