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Trump's tariffs and rhetoric strain historic Windsor-Detroit friendship

2025/2/23
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Don Gonyea: 我作为底特律本地居民,亲眼目睹了特朗普提出的关税以及他将加拿大变成美国第51个州的言论给美加关系带来的冲击。底特律和温莎之间的长期友好关系就是一个很好的例子,两座城市经济和文化上的紧密联系正在受到损害。特朗普的政策和言论导致两座城市之间的历史和谐关系开始破裂,民众之间的友好氛围也日渐冷淡。两国边境检查的巨大反差也突显出这种关系的恶化。 温莎和底特律之间的联系非常紧密,人们在文化和生活方式上有很多共同点。然而,特朗普政府的政策正在破坏这种关系,导致一些企业,例如温莎的“底特律酒吧之旅”,不得不暂停营业,对当地经济造成负面影响。 温莎市长Dilkins也表达了对美国政府行为的失望,并采取了一些措施来表达抗议,尽管他认为这些措施微不足道,但却是一个信号,表明温莎对美国政府政策的不满。他驳斥了美国关于加拿大在汽车行业中占美国便宜的说法,强调两国合作共赢。他认为美国潜在的军事威胁是令人恐惧的,但同时也会增强加拿大的团结。 Adriano Ciotelli: 我经营着Windsor Eats,一个推广温莎当地美食和活动的企业。我们曾经组织非常受欢迎的“底特律酒吧之旅”,这项活动不仅为温莎居民提供了娱乐,也帮助底特律的一些小型酒吧维持经营。然而,由于特朗普的言论和政策,我们不得不暂停这项活动,这让我感到非常遗憾,因为这直接影响到许多小型企业的生存。特朗普的言论对我们来说是一种人身攻击,就像朋友背后捅刀一样,让我们感到被背叛。 Drew Dilkens: 作为温莎市长,我目睹了特朗普政府的政策对我们城市和与底特律之间长期友好关系造成的损害。我们取消了对往返底特律通勤巴士的补贴和对底特律大奖赛的赞助,以此表达我们对美国政府的不满,虽然这些措施看起来微不足道,但这代表着我们对当前局势的抗议。我们与美国的关系不仅仅是经济上的,更是文化和情感上的,特朗普的言论,特别是将加拿大称为第51个州的言论,是对我们的一种侮辱。我们与美国在汽车产业上的合作是互惠互利的,我们共同建设了这个产业,而不是单方面占便宜。美国潜在的军事威胁是令人恐惧的,但这也会增强加拿大的团结。

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The long-standing friendship between Detroit and Windsor is experiencing strain due to President Trump's tariffs and comments about annexing Canada. The two cities have historically shared a close relationship, but this is now fraying due to economic and political tensions.
  • Trump's tariffs and rhetoric are negatively impacting US-Canada relations.
  • The Detroit-Windsor relationship, characterized by strong economic and social ties, is weakening.
  • Windsor's economy, heavily reliant on the auto industry, is directly affected by the tariffs.

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As a Detroit native and current resident of the city, I've had a front row seat to what Donald Trump's proposed tariffs are doing to U.S. relations with Canada, not to mention his recent comments about turning it into the 51st state. In

In fact, there may be no better real-time example of the deterioration than the long-standing bond between my hometown and its neighbor across the river, Windsor, Ontario. As the auto parts capital of Canada, Windsor's economy and identity has for decades been linked to the Motor City.

According to government data, Ontario has more than 100,000 automobile jobs, not counting the spinoff jobs. And the two populations have enjoyed a very friendly, symbiotic relationship since way back before my time. ♪

But consider this. As Trump threatens to annex one of the U.S.'s closest allies and hit products crossing the border with 25% tariffs, the historic harmony between these two sister cities is already starting to fray as Windsor residents deal with Trump's policies and rhetoric. From NPR, I'm Don Gagne.

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It's considered this from NPR, whether they're speaking out publicly or just holding on a little tighter to their wallets, the Detroit-Windsor friendship is running as cold as the Detroit River this month.

I wanted to pull at some of those unraveling threads, so I took NPR producer Lauren Hodges to Detroit's Riverside Park under the Ambassador Bridge, where we could look across the Detroit River to Canada not even a half mile away.

This is the busiest commercial border crossing in North America. The Ambassador Bridge is right there to our right, still under construction, second span, called the Gordie Howe International Bridge, named after Canadian native and Detroit hockey great.

Gordie Howe. And that bridge, to me, named after Howe, symbolizes the many connections between the U.S. and Canada and this

narrow span that separates them. I grew up on the Detroit side, watching Canadian television, listening to Canadian radio stations. Hockey Night in Canada was a regular staple in our house. Friends on the Windsor side work in Detroit, come over to watch Detroit Tigers or Detroit Lions games in person. Detroiters eat in their restaurants. Windsorites eat in our restaurants. It's

It's just kind of amazing the connections between the people of these two cities. All of this place kind of wrapped up in a single identity, some of us Americans, some of us Canadians.

We then made the very short drive across the river and pulled out our passports at the border. At the checkpoint, we got the standard questions. Where are we headed? What's our business in Canada? Do we have any weapons in the car? Then the customs officer quickly turned into a concierge, giving us recommendations for lunch. What's the restaurant called? It's called Twisted Apron. It closes at 3. Thank you so much. All right, thanks. Bye-bye. Yep.

Welcome to Canada. Have you ever had a border crossing experience like that? I really, really haven't.

And that kind of hospitality isn't just on the Canadian side. In fact, there's a pretty famous bus tour run by a local Windsor business that takes Canadians into Detroit for an hours-long bar crawl. We're taking you on a boozy adventure through the grittiest, most iconic dive bars the Motor City has to offer. You'll hop on the most iconic

epic party bus of your life, where the good times roll and the karaoke never stops. Between bars, you and your crew will be belting out your favorite tunes and living it up like rock stars. These tours are legendary and sell out faster than you can say cheers. So, do you have your passport ready? That voice is Adriano Ciotelli, who runs Windsor Eats, an event planning business that highlights local food and activities around Windsor,

But he says Detroit was always included. Visiting sporting games, events, concerts, that's almost a rite of passage for a lot of Windsorites to kind of jump on the tunnel bus, head over, get dropped off on Detroit and just wander around and just enjoy a day or two or a weekend in Detroit. And while it's been an extremely popular piece of his business, usually selling out even in the colder months,

He's also aware that the tours really help out some of those smaller bars on the Detroit side. There's another one in Hamtramck, which would reach out to us after every tour and essentially tell us, you know,

You made us able to keep our lights on at the end of the month. They were so thankful every time that we would visit them. But since Donald Trump's re-election and all the rhetoric that's been hurled at Canada, I think they have to become the 51st state. Windsor Eats made the tough decision to pause the beloved Detroit bar crawl. And it's unfortunate that, you know, in the grand scheme of things, it's little businesses like this that are, and people that are going to be hurt.

Ciatelli calls what the U.S. administration is doing a very personal attack. It's kind of like when your best friend goes and stabs you in the back. It's a common thread among Windsorites we interviewed, a sense of betrayal. And though the potential tariffs are the more immediate and economic threat, as Trump lays out here...

You know, they're going to have to pay tariffs on automobiles, lumber and oil and gas, etc., etc. It's Trump's repeated talk of Canada as the 51st state that really seems to rile people up the most. You know, it's just sort of preposterous, I think.

preposterous for us to think about this, that we're at this point in time, and we're not even quite sure how we got there. That's Windsor Mayor Drew Dilkins. We drove to his office at City Hall downtown, where we saw many flags in red and white with the iconic maple leaf hanging from apartment balconies and local businesses.

Dilkens is also a big fan of the Tigers and the Lions, and just like many Windsor natives, has many fond memories of traveling into the U.S. to cheer on Detroit sports teams in person. And remember when Canadian hockey fans booed the U.S. national anthem at an NHL game in Montreal this month?

Then, a few nights ago, U.S. fans in Boston reciprocated by booing the singing of Oh Canada. Mayor Dilkens is saddened by all of it. But even as he has taken steps, official ones, to make a statement. He ended city subsidies for a transit service that helps fund an hourly commuter bus to Detroit for his constituents. I just can't act as an economic engine to Detroit.

And one more thing got sacrificed as relations started to ice over. The mayor pulled the city's sponsorship of the annual Detroit Grand Prix. And in true Canadian form, let me tell you, I apologize for having to do that. And I recognize it's a pebble in the ocean. I

Like the rip, like I'm not changing the world by doing these two things. Right. But it's a signal. Dilkins knows that stuff like canceling bus lines and sponsorships might seem small. I don't have any other arrows in the quiver. I have nothing else I can fire back. I have nothing else I can do. I have no other way except using my voice to express my dissatisfaction and my

A sign of more than just hurt feelings, he says he's even heard rhetoric accusing Canada of taking advantage of the U.S., specifically within the auto industry. And he has a passionate response to that as well. No, we built it together. We have built this thing together. When Chrysler announces they're building a new car factory in Detroit, we're going to build it together.

Like we would like fireworks off here because we think that's amazing for our region. Just as you should celebrate when we build a $6 billion battery factory, that raises your boat as well in the United States. It's great for everybody. Meanwhile, in a recent speech, the chairman of the Ford Motor Company warned that the threatened tariffs and their impact on tight supply chains could

would, quote, blow a hole in the auto industry that would affect both countries. Mayor Dilkens, meanwhile, says it's more than pride, that it's all very scary. And none of us are foolish enough to think that the United States doesn't have the military might, if they want and choose, to take over Canada. We'd put up a good fight. We'd probably lose. We know that. But the thought that that's where we are, all of a sudden, with a snap of a finger,

abhorrent to us. You have to understand Canadians. They'll just become more, it's a rallying cry to pull together even tighter. So as evening approaches, we head back over the river and into Detroit. Our next stop is one of the dive bars from the cancelled tour. Then we get a text. Oh, it's her. It's the bar owner. She won't be there.

In fact, she says, they're not open much anymore these days. This episode was produced by Lauren Hodges and edited by Megan Pratz. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Don Gagne.

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