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making you feel really important when she's the girl that you fall in love with. SHE is an .
amazing person. You could walk right into that little spiders web. Yes.
I think I really, truly did dog ble IT.
My mom said that he had had a stroke .
SHE had posted that he had collapsed and he was in a coma.
Body called the shares office disappeared.
that he may be been poison. Yes.
this was our fifth marriage .
to be married five five times.
I started googling IT was just snowball. After snowball.
SHE had been involved in a shooting. The ablative was a.
i'm getting a phone call saying your house is on fire.
I started fearing for my life.
teach, actually, do these horrible things.
This is one of those thousand .
peace puzzles.
It's two very different people. I don't know which .
one is the real one. Five husband's two dead bodies. Is this widow a killer? I'm less to hold, and this is deadline.
Here is Keith Morrison with a long came Sarah.
Who were they seeing when they saw her Angel protector, best friend? What was true? I was there a truth at all? Behind the smile that might also be deadly. This is a story about charm and carma and what lived in the dark place behind.
That destroy woman in the red switch is sergente the man on the gurney, her husband joe, a diabetic. When joe is admitted to the hospital and baytown, texas, unconscious, his blood sugar levels were dangerously low. So the medical staff went to work, put joe on a blue coast drip and waited for him to bounce back.
But he didn't. His brother tony and mother heaven got the news in a phone call .
and then you wanna hear, you didn't get down and cozy king, because you don't know.
was that what was the situation when you arrived? He was unresponsive and ask you, the medical staff was baffled for hours they worked on and nothing helped. All the while, the worried sera gene posted medical updates on facebook.
SHE had posted that he had collapsed and he was in a coma. So I message like, how's IT going? You know, where the doctor saying serious .
friend evenki sell wasn't just being nose ages and nurse who had recently been instructing sera as to how Better manage jose die abeles with a digital google monitor that attached .
to him that with alarm on his phone and then make sure your alarms are loud enough that it'll wake you up so that if he goes to hire too low, you can catch quickly somehow.
Sarah SHE anjo slept through the alarms during the night, and joe went to to a diabetic coma that his .
sugar had dropped away too low.
And then a few days later, sarra posted a change and jose diagnosis.
SHE said that he'd had in .
the scheme c stroke.
He told me that he had a completely clogged artery.
Seras oldest child.
Ashley SHE, said that he had had a stroke and that he might not be able to come back from IT. And then he was like, they pronounce him brain dead. And then, yeah, he was very upset about that.
Then after eight days and I, C, U, Sarah finally made the decision to disconnect joes vegetate and let them die visually. SHE arranged the donation of his organs and later had incremation. But from the night joe hearts field was wheel into the E.
R, the doctors and nurses had been uneasy. Why had in his body responded to standard treatments? Why was he getting worse when he should be getting Better? And IT quiet? But growing alarm and nurse slipped away, made a phone call.
an E, R. Nurse called our dispatch facility.
This is brian hathorn, the sherif of chAmber's county. I think everybody at the hospital was potentially signers file play. So the share have sent over a newly mated detective named skyline rocks who, conscientious and buy the book, declined our request for an interview. But back then, he certainly talked to chAmbers scouting district attorney shero league.
The story that was being given to medical staff about what happened was not really landing up with what the medical staff saw.
What was a sera gene story about what happened .
that he woke up and found him that way and tried to revive him to no avail, and eventually called none one one. And my understanding is, when they brought him in via ambuLance, they knew when they took one look at him that .
he wasn't going to make IT in her report detected, rox wrote, that body was reacting to treatment like there was too much insulin in this system. Classic signs of an overdose. They appeared to the nurses or to the attending people at the emergency that he may be been poisoned.
yes. Now, but you dad D A leak, wondered if he had a murder case on her hands. When did you start looking at the surgery as a .
possible suspect immediately, because they were the only two living in in the house together.
And yet this sergi e has been so apparently loving, worried, attentive was this grieving without really capable of killing her husband.
SHE doesn't have a criminal history.
There was no big life insurance pay on for Sarah. No obvious motive. What then? Shero league takes some pride in her own personal bs detector. And this charming woman that Sarah gene heartfelt D A leak was sure there was something disturbing about that woman, something SHE was hiding. And leak was determined to find out what IT was.
I mean, every day is new. Every day i'm finding out something new every single day. This was her fifth marriage.
How old? Eight, I believe forty eight. And you have been married five times.
five times. And SHE had lived in about thirty nine different places. And she's very smart.
The problem for leak was while he suspected joe heartful eld was murdered by his wife Sarah, how could he prove IT? How could he prove joe a diei could die from complications of his own disease, murdered in the first place? Good question.
But as for us, we decided to conduct our own investigation. And this, sergey. An investigation that took us on a zig, zig course across the country, from rural missouri.
Brown fire and earth, just more great to the house.
to four hood, texas. I am really feared for my life. We went to Virginia, floria IT, tore up and have been to northern minnesota.
IT was like a sea out of a bad action would be.
We heard so many strange and conflicting stories for a while. We didn't know what to believe.
I firmly believe he could kill somebody right in front of a police officer and make him believe that he did not. Do I think he has the ability?
We heard about this sera .
for great kids, nice house. I mean, they were live in the american dream.
And this Sarah, too.
and he could continued beating me for what file like hours we learn.
And Sarah is a mother of four, a Foster kid who boots draft away into an army intelligence career once at a top secret security clearance and at one shot of Fiona to death. We were told he was violent control, link, charismatic, intelligent.
SHE, smarter, a whip, and communicating .
later situation to her vanity .
in a harbin.
which of the many faces of sera gene was real? Funding out would be a long, strange trip indeed.
IT was told toy, who wrote the famous line about families, all happy families are like, but an unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. In the case of Young Sarah genes, benighted family make that many ways relatives, neighbors and friends here in the rolling farmland of missouri, where we started our journey, tell stories still about a multi generation dynasty of this function, with the legacy of violence, suspicious ous, death and abuse. My father.
Thomas meas, incarcerated for a while.
This is cody lee smith, oldest of sara's three brothers, describing their dead.
I just learned to Steve this way, and I learned not to say anything unless he says something to me. Because if you did, you can get knock in the floor.
God said, is dad never struck Sarah, though he believe he was abused in an entirely different .
way he had molested her. And very Young age like that and we don't know .
how many times saras mom Jenny kicked the dead out of the house and filed for divorce and then married a new guy name, Richard, who just happened to be fleshed out of missouri state prison after serving a sentence for murder. And a few years later, Sarah came forward with new accusations of assault, saying my step .
that Richard had tech my sister Sarah, and the wrong .
way didn't believe at that time, said cody.
I said, so i'm not buying your story because I was there and know he didn't. He didn't doing to.
There was a trial. Richard was acquitted. Ted and Sarah, claiming SHE didn't feel safe at home, demanded to be placed in Foster care.
He wants to be away from the family, had no tire to come back and did not want to care, given as far as from my step dad or my mother or anybody that would have her facilitated back into the home with us.
Her mother brought child services basically dumped off and said, I can't handler.
Foster parents, barber Stuart and her husband's Steve welcome twelve old sera into their home.
We were very close to fit into the entire family, and everybody in our family accepted her.
I felt like me, and he is one lucky girl. Series friend sherie ferris and bitter SHE hit the .
gold mine of of getting really good parents who really advocated .
for her but Sarah though he like Sarah was never quite sure if the things sera said actually true. I knew he had been molested or sexually assaulted by a step down.
Um or her real dad .
or both um sometimes the story would change. I just know that she's smarter. A whip and community pulled a situation to her advantage in harbin arber a saw that side of Sarah a lot like the time when Sarah was angry about the punishment. And barby said server responded by accusing her husband.
Steve is what? You don't know how he touches me when you're not, or i'm like, know you've done this before. Other families, and not every family in the world does that.
And I know Better. And SHE got mad when her room slammed the door. Never set IT again.
Still, barber and Steve stood by. Sarah and SHE thrived into their care in high school. Sarah worked on the student newspaper, was in the band.
He was very popular. He was a very pretty girl. Billman and Sarah, I were good friends in high school.
They even dated for a bit, though bill clearly understood he was just one guy. Know online. Sarah was .
just wild, you know, shit, sneak out of the house and, you know, mess around. There was not a male that he did not like. He just was a fert. I mean, just a flurry, I would say.
But when he came to filing with shy joke, titus can learn, told sara, put her wild child self on the shell phone, nettled up to him like a girl next door would go to the movies and then look up picnics would drive around. I played of sports in high school, so SHE shock the sports games. And then we had talk after whatever, and you find your self falling in love with her gradually.
Yeah, he was this real, sweet, nice person, Carrying now easy to be with Foster dad. Steve walked Sarah down the aisle when he married tights right out of high school classic ninety three or just eighteen years old. A month after the wedding, as they had planned, titers joined the army.
And no sooner was he off training. Then Sarah was off with another guy. And when I came back, he was pregnant. I actually had several people come up to me and tell me they are having affairs with their but one gentleman that said, yes, I was with her during this time frame, and he told me I was probably my baby.
The pregNancy ended in a miscarriage of titus, and in nineteen and ninety five, after just two years of marriage, they got a divorce. Good writers thought, titus, I figured I was out of IT. I don't have to worry about anymore.
We are divorced. Game over. But that's only true if your opponent leaves the field.
That is his new girlfriend, Angela, whom he later married, said Sarah started stocking her as soon as he tied in. Strange things began to happen. Angeles car was vandana zed repeatedly.
All four of my tires were flat. Laundry detergent and the gas tank of my car. Some choice words in the back of my car with exploitive ves everywhere. And every time something like that happened, they said they called police and tell them they were sure with Sarah, the few people they had seen her out. They're doing IT.
We talked to two of titus and Angels friends from that time who said they are the vantis zed car, and one of them said they witness sara verbally abuse Angela. But in a text, mas IT Sarah a told us that was nonsense, that SHE never vandalized anyone's car. If anything, they harass me.
SHE also said police never talked to of a venti zing, the car that is an Angela those said police did talk to, but seemed to take her eyes. SHE would always get IT turned backward with our fault somehow, to persuade the police, yes, yes, you were a fault at her, right? And they buy that, yes, even to the point um we were told when an initiated conversation, we will be arrested for harassment.
There is nothing the police will ever do to help us, they said. The harassment, which went on for close to a year, escalated over time. I was babysitting my friend son while he was working an overnight shift and tidy, and I were on the couch with their child and their home, and I smoke gasoline.
And I thought, where was that coming from? And I could smell IT was coming from like the front of the house. And so I thought something wrong with one of the cars.
So I got tied us and we went out there, and there was a gas can. There was gasolines splashed all over the front of the house, and I see her leaving the vicinity. And at that point I was like, he was going to set that house on fire.
Thought Sarah had gone too far. Surely they're be a reckoning for surging. baby。
Finally, they thought they have her dead to rights for so long sera gene had made tides and Angela commercial miserable, but now they felt sure they'd got her red handed pouring gasoline on a house with a minute. No doubt in their minds, Sarah was intending to burn the place down. So we want to the police told him the story and they said, well, is either arson or it's not.
Apparently, there's no thing attempt at arson. Sarah was never arrested, never charged with anything. And in a text message to us said he had no knowledge of anything that might have happened at the house.
We asked to police for reports of these incidents, but we're told records from that time period long gone anyway, back then, much to tidy and Angela s. Relief, they said Sarah took her anger elsewhere. SHE moved on and married one of tide, his friends, but he soon dumped her after he caught her cheating with a fellow soldier. And then after two failed marriages are decided, that was time to shake up her life. At the age of twenty two, SHE joined the army as a truck driver.
SHE called me and said, I just want you to know I ve joined the service. I like, good. That would be good for yeah. And after I got off the phone, I thought, you're going to know what the rules are. Now Sarah found .
herself station way up north that Alexis fourth wing, right, where he met a fellow soldier named Chris dona.
who he was a couple of years Younger than her. And I think he was one of those guys that was just very innocent, trusting. And then the next thing you know, she's pregnant and you're gonna have a baby.
Would they have married? We're not for that, who knows? Chris also politely decline the chance to talk about Sarah on camera, but that's when actually was born.
And eighteen months later, sn. Ryan followed in due course by two more daughters, her years with Chris, perhaps seras most stable. In fact, in two thousand, five, while Chris was way and with four yang children to look after, Sarah took in her sickly dad. Yes, the same man he claimed had molested her.
And SHE told me that he was gonna get him and bringing home, I said, this is the guy that you've hate IT all your life and you've talked about so terrible and you, well, somebody has to. And I did not make any sense to me.
Ashleys memory of her grandfather's brief time with them is very vivid. How would IT be otherwise?
He was at our house for like two or three days, and he died right for me.
He had in front of.
yeah, I was sitting right there when that happened. And SHE given him his medicine like he had a liquid medicine to take, like he grabs his chest like this, and he just, he started to call a little bit, and like, he's haven't a hard time breathing. And then after .
that just died.
Sarah detected .
us that her father died of natural causes. He was given medication prescribed to him, nothing else. In two thousand and seven, after eight years in the reserves, Sarah return to active duty, became something of a soldier, soccer mom.
Neighbors would compliment her and my daughters parents, because they always saw all of us outside working together in the yard. And so I think they thought that we were nice kids with a great .
family whenever we had people over sh'd go crazy in the kitchen seron.
Ryan.
honestly, those are my favorite memories of my mom just making food. Now SHE was really good at IT. Like thanksgiving she'd go nights. Christmas you'd go nights. Like there's decorations everywhere.
He is very famous. Her children.
eventually in counsel and her family were fort od neighbors.
brag up down the how wonderful her kids were.
Meanwhile, seras military career took off. He was assigned to intelligence, rose to the rank of sergeant first class SHE, had a top secret security clearance, and later, when in the war in iraq, got hot, resulting in a massive surge of U. S.
Troops to the region, both Sarah and Chris were deployed. And though they had some heavy specific responsibility, t ie. S, and they were executing them well. Former army officer Kevin Robinson, who served with the Donna husing iraq, said Sarah was a respected soldier.
SHE had a very good professional relationship with everyone there in the division headquarters because he was selected essentially to be the person that was the go between between the intelligence section of the headquarter ers to everyone else in the staff. With both parents gone, the kids were farmed out to relatively. How was that?
And all right, like they were gone for, I think here, I was definitely a big change when we went back.
which is one way to put IT series return from iraq. But we know happy homecoming for the kids more like a horror movie.
I felt he was a taking time on.
What was true and what was not to the public? Sarah seemed like some sort of super soldier mom with a fine career, handling top secret intelligence, a charming husband, a spotless house and a bedient children.
We are really big on presentation, so how you dress is important. How you act is important. Like what what other people see from the outside is very important.
But inside, well, that was very different, altogether different.
The biggest room we had was, you know what? What happens in the house stays in the house.
The neighbors, they don't know anything about what .
happened behind close stores. Children sera a different person.
I felt, shows a taking time .
on if we did something that had upset her, like that was kind of zero to one hundred.
Big temple. yeah. They are. Learn to be wary to watch your mood, especially when their soldier mom put on her uniform.
I felt he was a completely different person when he had to hear and a van how to inform on.
I hated that. How was SHE different? I don't know .
how to describe IT. I think he was just a look that he had on her face and the way her hair we pulled back. So I am like.
please take IT off. Well, whenever enew you got trouble, SHE would let you know and I was IT was something that the whole house new like even even as kids. You know, when the other persons get in hit in the other room, you can hear every IT through the house.
The echo ryan said the worst beating he took was after he broke a waldhorn in a house they were renting.
SHE had the belt in her hand. She's just swing and doing her thing and um after a while um SHE throws the bill to the side and SHE just started punching me in the face and IT was so bad that I had bruises from my whole face down and uh from my shoulders to my ankles and I miss school for a whole week.
How everyone that .
happened um I say like I say ten 哼 and that was when I realized I was here to my mom because right after everything happened, uh the whole eating thing um we went downstairs and you know he was being on ice SHE like SHE was cut in me up oranges and you know talking with and what not SHE .
me in the face multiple times a child also as a teenager, there was a time there was so bad I told her I was gonna. Cps.
that would be child protective services.
And SHE said, if I was going to call P, S, SHE was going to give me a reason for C. P. S. And he continued beating me for what felt like hours, because SHE would stop, sh'd be talking, and you would be yelling.
And then I was held, SHE picked up about, and SHE started wAiling on me again and was like, this ever going to be done? And I was covered in bruises as I had bruises all over my legs. I had a bruises on my face, had him all over my arms, my back.
Did you complain to?
S, no, because I was too cared of what would happen. I didn't tell anybody to call C. P.
S. I don't ask any of my friends, but P, S did get called. Police showed up at the door one day after school.
and here is the report above that visit from the bell county show of self. IT says a father of one of Ashley's friends called them saying, Ashley was beaten pretty bad, had a black eye, looked like your fingers were possibly broken and had hit plaster rations all over her back. And I was like.
oh my gosh. Because then I would mean that would go to C, P, S, said, my mom could get trouble than you would use IT against me.
You didn't see the police as a savior. You saw them as getting a trouble even more. Yes.
I was very upset that they came the .
house so much so actually said he lied. And sure enough, the report quoted actually telling the deputies or black eye was an accident. The report concluded with, there is no evidence of ongoing abuse.
When we ask Sarah about the shy wrote, i'm sure my kids would call IT a beating. But no, no one was beaten. The barber steward said he heard about this incident.
and others, the kids were threatened. They they Better not say anything. They Better not admit any of this happened. And family services would always believer SHE would always talk away .
out of IT ashes, ley said. Her dad, Christe on a hue, seem powerless with Sarah.
There was only so much he could do because if he stood up for us, he would get very, very angry at him. I think he wanted to do anything to make IT work and keep his family together. And he really, he really did try, and he just made IT difficult.
In twenty fourteen, Sarah Chris butt and impressive big custom built place on the lake, not far from fort hood. And they are, they reconnected with Kevin Robinson and his wife, millia. Everybody just love them because they were just like a great couple.
They seemed like happy, had IT together for great kids, nice house. I mean, they were live in the american dream. But money was tight, and then just three months after buying their home, Sarah got a call from her brother code.
Their grandmother, moral rapper, had died, leaving behind a house and three hundred twenty five acres of prime farmland. There was bound to be a big inheritance. Ance and Sarah, with family and tow, rushed off to missouri, where SHE was about to get some bad news, bad news for her. Anyway.
all my wife at down the porch, I should not know where I am. If not, going be any kind of peaceful and call anything with my sister.
You can't watch saras long suffering older brother cody Amber about his landed miserie not be reminded of jobe living alone and a single wide, no car, no internet, the family firm long gone his wife and mother and Youngest brother dad sad IT wasn't always like this code had done so well despite his messed up family is troubled up bringing life was pretty good until the day his grandmother moral passed away. IT was August twenty fourteen. There was funeral, of course, and Sarah came like some dark critical child.
SHE stayed ied the house with this, and I guess that was no, maybe a couple days later. He want to kind look through things. And so well, as the the world doesn't have .
you in IT korean, his wife mary Nancy had been tending to grandmother mural under farm for years. Only ones in the family to do so, which is why mural in her will left everything, the farm, the house, the furniture, all of them to code and nothing to Sarah IT just became more less .
a screaming match. Now she's she's going to find me for the house in a land and everything, because he owed two hundred thousand thousand dollars on her place, where where he was living at time and where everything shesol out here that that would pay for IT.
That was a story. I got Sarah up and left after that, but cody said he came back later that day.
And next thing I know, they've get trucks and trailers and trend their hole in everything and then looking on her laptop to see how much IT was worth. And I my wife, so but I don't want what to do, but I really mean i'm just going let her have what he wants to have and maybe then SHE let us alone.
Seron, ryan was there. He saw at all.
Cody, he let her take whatever he wanted. My mom a whole, you are full of stuff.
Ashley was there too.
My mom cleared out a lot of things, like had myself, my brother and my dad a bunch of people helping her Carry stuff about the basement. Look, we don't really need all this stuff. What to hurt? IT was the most important thing in the world because he said her grandmother was .
only person that ever truly loved her.
or and he felt he did SHE don't entitle to a lot of things.
By nightfall, Sarah was gone and cody and his wife crule up on the couch with their age old nephew. Er, who was spending the night .
I was saying about two o'clock the morning and not certain, but I I know when I get up a slow smoke, I know that .
one good code open the door and saw broken window, burning drives and flames spreading rapidly across the pine floors.
I mean, fashion, snap your hand IT just road red the house and smoke just bellow, you know. And I mean, if I was thick and was black, and when they come IT come and I can see, I can see my hand in front of my face, honestly.
he said he passed out, but came to after hitting the floor.
when I came to like, I like to do his crawl out the door and I could hear, and behind me, and I came home, grab my hand, he wlink grab my. And so all I could do, I go out the door. I took in a deep breath, and I ran down in my brother's boys.
I woke him up, grabbed him up and up to the house. We came and my brother dove in house course. He started choking. And just see aving grab, and you can't grab and get back out here. The wise and of is going to make IT will you get back in and somehow, somehow grab b hold is something that was, he thought, with him and grabbed him and jam and an ali came. And I was rough as I love.
I love a boy. They rushed standard off to the hospital, suffering from smoke inhalation, where he finally did recover, but cody house was a total loss.
If we get to watch everything .
we had go in a matter .
of those hours. The first thing I did after that fire the next morning when i've .
got to be day that I called her being his sister and Sarah.
because I wanted to know that I was, i'd survived and the big plan have taken a house out and leave me and nothing and didn't work so well. That's why I call her. I want to take IT didn't work.
I'm still here. I said i'm here. The wives here. Sanders is doing OK as well. And the first thing he said was, what what is and to doing here?
Sarah denied any involvement, of course.
SHE denied the fire. vecer. SHE denied the police. SHE denied everybody.
including her lawyer. SHE denied in a text message to us too, saying, I did not set my grandma's house on fire and was never suspected or questioned. But according to ran, not everyone believes Sarah denials, not even our own children.
The consensus throughout the family was he was pissed off that he got the house and SHE didn't the .
family consensus that he started to her.
A lot of people believe that .
the sheriff department said the cause of the fire was undetermined. The fire department said the same, but according to code's friend and neighbor billing a, the fireman tile did find something not worthy.
Where the fire head started, there was poison ivy in the back of the house. And the fire Marshall said when they went and visited .
Sarah that her face was covered in poison ivy and that he couldn't prove for certain. But he pretty well thought that he probably started the fire. Cody heard the same thing from his brother, who saw sara right before he left town.
He said SHE had poison .
I available face, but IT wasn't quite proof was a, said cody. Sadly.
i'd love say that I knew what happened and i'd love to say what she's going to get hers for this, but I can't.
And sera was never charged with anything. And despite all the talker around here about Sarah in the fire, that never stopped her from coming back time and again to see a guy who is about to explain why you would like to take IT all back.
I think I really.
truly did dodgy ble IT.
When sera gan deep furniture brothers codes house SHE got more than a truck load of old furniture, and family keeps six, SHE also picked up her next boyfriend, not to mention a convenient place to store all that stuff. IT went into this guy's garage. I mean.
he got to the point where I was like, how much more crap do you really want?
Because my age was getting full. Brian altis is an old childhood jump of series. They reconnected during the grandmothers funeral, and the very night codes house burned down.
Sarah crawled in the brands bed just to sleep, he told us. And if he started the fire, he said he wasn't aware of IT. Anyway, that's how the affair and brands two year roller coaster ride wera began. And the inconvenient fact that he was very married to Christa .
hue SHE informed me that SHE increase were .
gonna get divorce. Brian fell hard. There was something irresistible about that woman.
When she's the girl that you fall in love with, if he could be that person day in and day out, what is SHE is an amazing person.
What did you love about her back then?
He has the way, making you feel really important, like you matter when I brought around some of my family members and some of my friends, and they are like, glad for you, just a very likable person at first .
impression, SHE attractive SHE bed. And he, yes.
yes, to prety much Better thing, I think you just said .
so he could persuade that up was down.
that was up. So yeah, he has a way of talking to people to make you believe everything. yeah. And I firmly believe he could kill somebody right in front of a police officer and make him believe that he did not do that. I think he has that ability.
You might want to remember that. But for two years, brian was as happy as he had ever been and as miserable.
There's no way you can be this person that everybody loves to be around and gotten know to be down, right, mean and hateful in a matter of seconds. Basically, the devils daughter, if you ask me.
things got contentious between them. They even file for restraining orders against each other. And then one day when brian was in court, Sarah had an envelope delivered to him.
So I opened IT up, and I look at IT, and I remember the smell of urine. And IT was a pregnant y test.
Oh, my.
And I said I was positive and I like not the same legit.
Still, brian agreed to meet with sara at his house to hash things out. He brought his sister for support.
and I said, let's go to your own test together .
so that I can see .
for sure that you're pregnant. And SHE wouldn't.
They stood outside the house and argued about everything then and finally, sarra agreed to leave for good. But he made one last request.
can I use the bathroom before I leave? I'm like, sure, no problem. SHE in there for a while.
I remember that is my sister. I both looked at each child like, wow, what the hell? And finally he came out.
He went her way. I went down to the local bar in town to meet up with some coal workers. Twenty to forty minutes later, i'm getting a phone from the local police station saying, your house is on fire.
Do you think he started the fire?
And you'll never hear me say that. Do I believe there is a possibility? Yes, but I will never, ever. yeah. SHE did I can prove that?
Nobody prove IT. Sarah told us by text. SHE had nothing to do with the fire.
Anyway, he was out of bran's life. Finally, and what did SHE leave him with? No, not a child, but perspective.
Everybody joked about the fire and know how I was Lucy to survive that. But I think I really, truly did .
dog bit.
And i'm that literally .
the next seven are a genes. Other eyes on wouldn't be so lucky. Can we talk about David? Yes, what he was like.
he was a big teddy bear. Any time he walked into rome, you have a big grand, and he give you a big hug.
Carl and law g told us their son, David brag, was this teddy bear, the air force veteran known for taking care of people, maybe because he was the eldest of eight siblings, five of them adopted, including Daniel and ronal. When you were grown up, how do you remember his presence in your life?
I remember him being very tall, just like my dad. So he had a presence to him.
Onesta spinning image over dad. It's kind of wear, you see inside by silence. Like, well, who's who sometimes? Was he welcoming to all you Younger ones? Yeah.
you know, my mom used to tell me stories about how he'd walk around the neighborhood with his little in a mixed race brother to try to give the ladies to look at them.
Ladies would look at David, and sometimes David look back. He was married when he met. Sarah had two kids, but he spent a lot of time on the road working in construction and well absence has said to make the heart growth founder distance from his wife did not have that effect on David. What happened between them?
Happen between them. I en.
Brian was out of her life, and David brig. Was on a construction project right at ford hood where sa was stationed. They hit their relationship from her husband, Chris, until he was stationed in korea. And then everything changed.
And the day he left, David was over at house.
In fact, he was at the house a lot overnight too. Sometimes my mom would .
tell me that he was sleeping in the front room, and I didn't believe IT. One time I walk to the front of the house and I peaked in the bedroom that David was supposedly staying in, and IT looks like somebody was lying under the covers. So I went in there and get the covers back, and there was pillows, and I was like my while.
Chris suspected his wife had been running around on him for years. This was IT for him, made him so mad he flew halfway around the world to confront.
And so my dad got permission to come back to the states from his boss. And I basically helped him catch her cheating on him.
He helped that by entering the garage, door was unlock. And once in his house, Chris went to his bedroom and made a shocking discovery in his bed. They were .
embedded gether, and she's made a whole bunch of excuses about IT. They know to .
say the marriage was effectively over. I was all in with David right now. SHE even went to meet his deeply religious parents.
What were your first impressions of Sarah? We can like kind, charismatic Sarah, intent on being a good wife to their sun or so IT team. The carl, we were convinced for a long time that he had been wrong in her first marriage.
That is her marriage to Chris, which of course, was actually her third, though they didn't tell the parents that we love, we love our kids or got beautiful kids. Sarah definitely had David hooked, but then work had David on the movie again, this time some twelve hundred miles away, to a tiny hamlets called Garfield, minnesota. So he and sera made a plan, a life plan. He ended up going .
to minnesota. And I believe the idea or was supposed to happen, was that he was going to come up there and live you know, happily ever after, of course.
The only problem with happily ever after is that IT tends to be the prevalence of fairy tales. And the story David brag was living in was going to be more brother's grim SHE .
had a temper that he could be really sweet one minute and just crazy the next minute.
Sadly for David, crazy was just around corner.
In the winter of twenty seventeen, the woman still known as cerda, you would settled in with David brag in tiny Garfield, minnesota. Her plan was to make him her fourth husband. And you, David was no stranger to starting over himself. Now is going to be married to women. Number three.
yeah, number three. And they were together for about six, six, nine months. I'm and engaged. So IT wasn't very long at all.
Did you see them together at all?
No, I see. IT was so quick. And there are thousands of miles away.
Yeah, I actually met there, a face to face over a face time. One time, just a Normal happy lady. And my brother loved her and we trusted him.
To be clear, Sarah, I was still married to Christa hu when David and sera gene found an old White farmhouse in which to start their new life together. The a was they rent to buy and fixed IT up as they went along. Jeff wood would be their .
landlord um a really nice couple. David was very gentlemanly. Had that southern thing about him, I thought there a great couple.
Now the beginning, that is everything fresh and perfect, the way new love feels.
Seem to be in love um that kind of changed as the time moved on with them working on the house and stuff SHE started getting very agitated really short because David wasn't getting how was done fast enough.
Part of the deal was that David would remodel the kitchen of the old farmhouse, but now he had his own idea of how long you should take. Wanted to surprise her perhaps.
SHE gone down to texas for two and a half weeks. And when he came back, David had hired somebody to make a path through the woods instead of working on the house and all he was just, I rate, because he had wasted all that money on this guy and not put IT in to the house. So he had a temper that SHE could be really sweet one minute and just crazy .
in the next minute if some alarm went off. In David mind, you seem to show no sign of IT, but rather tried harder to please her. At least that's how his parents saw.
IT wondered whether he would be somebody who would always try to see the god side in people, even if maybe other people didn't tap solo. Yes, that he was always trying to make things right in a relationship. He had had failed relationships, and he kept trying to give this woman chances, because he did on another failed relationship.
But IT wasn't long before David had to stop living in denial. He told his family the real Sarah wasn't at all. The woman he thought he fAllen in love with .
know when the last time I saw him, he got to a wanted out. No, he wasn't as happy .
as David wanted that OK.
I remember very vividly my dad telling me that he reached out and was like, I don't have a good feeling about this .
maybe stake here.
I made a mistake, but just hearing IT gave you, gave me goose, but even talking about IT makes the hair on your next stand up.
And then one spring day in may two thousand eighteen, we heard to come across our scanner. Our eaten love is editor and chief of the local newspaper, something happening at that all White farmhouse. Few minutes later, landlord jeff woods, phone rank, too.
One of my coworkers call me at work and said i'd Better get over in the house because there's squad cars all around the house.
The share of told me that there was a shooting and that there was a body found in the downstairs portion of the house and the downstairs s living room. What in the world had happened in that old farm ouse?
IT was David bag in the living room shot dead at the shooter, will ever be surrogate and SHE even admitted IT, telling detectives that there had been an argument at an pull a gun in a string of text. He told us I was looking down the barrel of a forty five, thinking, this man is really going to kill me. He's going to kill all of us.
He fired at me first, had a not dove into the floor at the base of the stairs. He would have shot me in the head. SHE had to shoot back. He said he was self defense.
Seron ryan was living at the farmers stand, but he was out when that happened. And when he got home, he told him more or less the same story he told police, but with a few extra bits added details that made ryan wonder.
He said he he fired at her .
first that his gun was fired first .
as she's coming down the stairs, SHE dropped in place and had her ARM over the rAiling and fire that way. So you just picture yourself crotched down ARM over the rAiling and just shooting blindly. SHE had him sent her mass like there's there's .
no way the story couldn't true.
No, like there wasn't. There isn't a lot of blood. There are there was. IT was probably like, maybe like this big, that much blood.
like because he heard his heart right .
off the band. And then one of my Younger sisters came in. She's like, I heard bubbling, like this bubbling noise. And he he just died there.
When jeff would, the landlord heard that version of events straight from sera gene, he too had doubts. I don't buy IT because the .
way he explained IT IT was like that of a bad action will be, I mean, he explained how he dove onto the the landing steps and he pulled her gun and shot between the spindles of the steps going upstairs and and shot him and return fire, which I just don't buy so I think if David wanted to shooter he was a shuter, I don't bite at all.
Whatever the actual story was, the sad fact remains that saros Fiona was dead. So after the chaos and the cops were gone, ryan grab ed the bucket and a rag.
I cleaned up the mess and switched around the room.
You cleaned up the blood in a mess from his body.
Yeah, of course.
there was an investigation. He involved the doug's county share of the county prosecutor, and even state law enforcement went on for months, and then the prosecutor's office released a statement that there was some ballistic evidence to support the case of self defense. They determined they would not be filing charges, that there just wasn't enough evidence to justify or say there is anything else, and that was a justified shooting. David family can never forget hearing about how their son had been killed. I was like for you, carl IT.
to spend .
IT storm me up. Still tell you up few years later. Yeah, i'm sorry again. David's brother Daniel believes those investigators got played by Sarah.
That's the thing that got us was the fact that I go, well, let's let's let the police figured out now, let's not more unfortunate guard out and they had .
been prosecute IT. But service daughter Ashley also had a story to tell. IT started a few months before the shooting series has been.
Chris filed for divorce. IT would be finalized soon. When Sarah got word that Chris had begun dating again.
SHE got really sad and upset about my dad, because my dad is started talking with somebody SHE hate to that.
So what did he do? Ashley said. Her mother told her he was sending a text to David brain saying that .
how I was over and SHE to want to.
he gave to him anymore. So away from David, suppose.
but I think that he was playing house with David at home. But then, like, still trying to go with my dad behind David back.
Complicated.
SHE and complicated. Go home very well.
Did sa actually send that break up text? Actually couldn't say for sure. But he did see her mother pack up her car and head north to keep playing house with David brain. But before SHE left texas, SHE said something ashly thought was very strange, or in result, downright ominous.
SHE told me, if anything happens when I go back to minnesota and I have to defend myself, call this person to tell them to come pick up the girls and I was just like, why? And I thought I was like, my money thing, anything that happened like that. And he was like, well, if he dies, she's call them and tell them to come pick up the girls.
okay. And then I get to call a couple days. Well.
that is, I actually learned David brig. Was dead in your heart of hearts. What do you think happened in there with David?
Yes.
I personally think .
that SHE provoked fied, and he thought that he would be able to get my dad back. He would want her back if David was no longer in the picture. Like my tale doesn't want me with you. Like he's completely detached himself for you. So like anything you're doing .
at this point is just a waste time. But by the time of the shooting, that appears sera was already moving on. Another man, another premature or death, another fire.
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Sarah gene settled right back into life at the old White farmhouse and tiny Garfield, minnesota, the very house in which he had just shot her physic David self defence sheet said, and the authorities finally agreed officially their months long investigation ended with no charges against surrogate. In any case, if IT seemed odd to some that you'd go on living in the very place where he killed her man, IT certainly seemed to suit Sarah SHE made herself at home in more ways than .
one one day, as over there was talking to get the rent in. The prophecy drove up in, came in the house. And well, apparently she's dating him now. And he was pretty short time after he had shot David. And so I thought that was kind of, kind of HUD.
The protein guy was another David, David, George, not just a prophecy local farmer. And before long he was Sarah jeans. Fourth husband thought .
was a pretty quit marriage. Jeff kilter .
seris sun. Ryan got on quite well with his news. Stepped dad.
what was he like? He was a great guy. I got nothing but good things to say about him. He really cared about us. Um he he tried help in us every way. Could I think his only flaw IT doesn't make them a bad guy is the fact that you know my mom was his wife and even when she's wrong and he sides with her and I don't think he knew he was in the wrong, but he he truly loved her and you know, he stand by your wife, you know.
Which is something to keep in mind when you hear what happened x or what didn't quite happen. But first, to bring you up to date, x husband Chris had married again, too, to a woman named either. They seem very happy, except for one big problem.
Chris and era had a custody agreement for the two Youngest daughters. But Sarah, I wasn't honoring IT. According to Chris, he refused to let him get anywhere near the girls. And then one day, one of those girls, hanna, texas ashly, and told her he wanted to see her.
So I got ready, dropped everything.
But when actually matter? Then sixteen year old sister hana was suddenly reluctant to talk. So ashlee pressed her, SHE is like.
I can't tell you. She's like, George told me not anything. And I was like, cana, if I has to do with data, her safety and need to know how their issues a nice person like and SHE means a lots of that, but you know, doud doubt is a good person. And I was like, if I had to do what they're safety, I need to .
know either. Remember with Chris on a huge new wife.
I was not going to run back and tell he's anything until he tells me and shut whisper as we.
The secret was unbelievable and actually knew he could not let IT remain .
secret sex in my dad. I was like, I need you available to talk as soon as I leave this place, because there's something billion important that you need.
Know what did have to tell you gonna happen.
George had told her that my mom would like George back in the house until he killed her there. He wanted him to shoot her, and hana was able to provide me the details about this car, that the car that George was supposed to drive down there, and he was supposed to knocked on the door, and I was supposed enter, and then he was supposed to shoot her. But he did want to do IT, and my mom cut.
pressured him to do IT 不是 like to .
here that I honestly made me sick, like I felt like there is a pit in my chest. I just kept thinking. He always used to say to me when I was Young here, there's a way is way. And if he really wanted that to be done.
SHE would find a way for her to get Carried out. Actually got her dead on the phone. How did your dad react to what you told him?
I think he really, really stressed him out. I think IT worried him because his main concern was making sure his wife was safe.
Chris son had, there were nearly a thousand miles away in arizona, seemingly safe distance. But Sarah had a way of making men do what he wanted. And David George same, quite intent on pleasing her, even if he asked him to be her hit man.
Far away in southern arizona, Chris dona hua just learned that his x wife, Sarah, a gene, was supposedly cooking up a plot to kill his new wife. Either you knew he had to act fast.
First is making sure how there was safe. And he was talking to the person that told hand of this. And then I was talking to his lawyers so that he could try to get his daughters out of that house because they shouldn't have to go home to a woman, know one of her knows, wants to kill somebody else, or wants somebody else killed on their behalf.
idea? yeah.
He was already trying to get them out of the house. He was even trying to take them for my mom. He just wanted to be able to see them. He didn't seen them in almost four years because he was in live.
The urgency intensified for Chris heather once Chris realized had already have been face to face with David George, serious current husband and would be hit man. As you can see yourself, this delivery men and doorbell video at the donahue residence is David George. Yes, I look, yeah.
Use the flowers were addressed to Chris wife, either okay, but then something curious, no hard. Everything was there a hint of nervousness in the delivery man's voice. Thank you.
Chris waited, but the mysterious delivery man never returned. And a few minutes later, Chris saw a black honda court drive out of the nights or hood. The man behind the wheel was David George.
It's all document at every bit of IT in court filings and a sign effect IT Christe on a huge described a phone call in which George told him he'd been sent to deliver more than just flowers. He'd been sent to kill hither. He told me that he had a pistol that was given to him by sara to Carry out this act.
He also said that he came to my house sixteen november two thousand, and had flowers. Chris went on to say that David, George city ultimately refuse to do. There is bidding.
David told me that he even told Sarah once over the phone to call what he wanted done what I was murder. He told me that he got matted him and hung up. Matted him is one way to put IT. After David, George returned from marijuana, said landlord jeff. David told him Sarah refused to let him back into her house or her life at all.
He was basically really mad, bitter that, you know, he did that. I mean, to put somebody in that position, or if you don't kill somebody, i'm going to leave you. I mean, that's kind of something you don't really want to hear.
As for Chris, he filed for sole custody of his two Youngest daughters and saw a protective order barring Sarah from getting anywhere near him or his children. And perhaps not surprising after all, that the judge granted his request, both of them. And that said, actually, that seemed to send her mother right over the edge.
Of course, SHE like lost her mind on him when, uh, SHE lost cases of resisters.
So what was your mom motivation? What did he want? SHE doesn't like .
other SHE was to have to like other because others, the other woman that he has to share her children with. And SHE doesn't like that. But even .
though he'd finally lost Christon you for good and a dump, ed David georgian finally had no man in her life. Well, IT wasn't like he was a nun after all. I think during .
that time he had also started seeing other men as you met on, like Christian mingle or something, is what my sister there? A few, yeah. And my sister said a few guys that would come over to the house. After George .
left David, George declined a request for a non camera interview, but he told us that Sarah, I gave him a gun, but he said he didn't have an on them at the dona whose front door. He also said he had no intention of killing heather and quote, hope Sarah jean would come to her senses and know that was not going to happen. Sarah texted us to say it's not true.
And SHE never gave George any kind of gun, ever. George said he's not in touch with Sarah anymore. But he still talks to ryan dona, who is he? Talk about the whole experience of .
having been with your mom yeah he says he'll i'll always have some sort of love for my mom but um he's happy is got .
away for a mid happy to be rid of sa gene indeed he told us that well, he was once entrance ed by her in his words, I got burned. I got burned hard. But there maybe more to this story.
Four months before he moved in, misera Georgeous, partner of twenty five years, rebeca cozy, died suddenly. And a few months later, the house they had shared burned down. coincidence. And her brother dinner doesn't think so. I think that there was a point in their life where they had a happy relationship, but I feel as though .
there was also a point when when that all stopped. And then, you know, not too long after .
that she's dead and not too long after that now they're married. The whole picture together, that alone made us wondering question that whole relationship at the end. And now, of course, learning what we've learned, you know, has just made those questions even harder to swallow.
We had questions to and we asked the todd county share of office for investigative reports concerning rebeca cun ze's death and the house fire. Their response, they're reopening both investigations in lighted new information. What that might be, they will say.
David George told us rebeca died of a heart health problem and he had nothing to do with her death. And he said Sarah and he were both out of the state at the time of the fire. As for Sarah, SHE put IT all behind her when he dumped David George and left Garfield, minnesota, and move back to texas, where SHE set her sites on a brand new man. But soon someone will be setting their sites on her.
Thank god somebody was paying attention of the attending position. And the nurses that were on staff that night, they knew something was wrong.
By july twenty twenty one, sarra genes, carefully crafted facade, high functioning mom and soldier was in ruins. Since leaving the army, Sarah had dumped her husband, killed the fiancee, was implicated in an alleged plot to kill the new wife of a rex husband. The lost custody of our children and have been blocked to have been seeing them.
IT always seemly SHE was the most unlucky woman in the world.
eventually calls saras old friend from ford hood stayed in touch through all that emotional chaos.
IT always seemed like he would start getting to a good spot and then a relationship would end, or SHE would get sick, or SHE was going to fight for her kids or whatever.
But Sarah was nothing, if not relentlessly resilient, by in november of twenty twenty one, after four failed marriages and one dead boyfriend, Sarah, I was on a dating website trolling for a new guy, which is how SHE met joe hearts field.
We talked about IT all the time because he started dating him a few months after I started dating my new boyfriend.
EvAngeline said within weeks of meeting joe, Sarah married.
And was like very, very quick like I think from proposal to walking down the eye might have been a month.
Which now brings our story full circle, is sort of during our journey through serious s life, we also learn new things about how joes ended. Learn, for example, that by december two thousand and twenty two, just weeks before SHE rushed into the hospital, Sarah was let to get been known. SHE was done with joe.
He said her house was destroyed and he left mess everywhere. There was food to our own kinda stuff.
Eventually, a nurse had been giving sarra advice about treating joes diabetes, said series text about him. We suddenly went from caring to complaining.
and he was livid. SHE was absolutely live IT. And SHE said that he was going to sit him down and have a come to jesus s moment about, this is my house.
These are my things. How dare you? This isn't gonna unless you can fall in a step with me.
Another friend who did not want to be identified shared a text from Sarah dated december ninety th, twenty twenty two, saying, joe has turned into a nightmare. I can't take the level of financial irresponsibly. He was just looking for a meal ticket and way back to a lifestyle he could never attain on his own.
I have to save myself and figure out how to recover. I have a plan. It's now a matter of implementing, executing and finding a place to go by Christmas. Ashley said her mother's hatred of joe had reached such a boil IT was all he could talk about .
and how he was so over her marriage. And he just, he's this, he's that. And it's like, it's Christmas changes, cages show and then over.
And I know what I was. I was like a foot of us. What SHE comes storm in the room with the gifts that I wrapped and start unwrapped them.
And she's like, he's not getting this. She's like, i'm sitting at all back tomorrow. She's like, i'm so done with him.
Eleven days later, joe told his family he was the one who wanted out of the marriage that, according to a report by detective skylar rocks who wrote, I spoke with numerous family members of Joseph, who advised Joseph was planning on divorcing sara and he was concerned for his safety that he, Sarah, might try to kill him. And then two days after telling his family that joe was in the hospital and Sarah was on facebook posting the joes condition had nothing to do with his insulin or blood sugar levels or know he was saying joe had a stroke from a clock Arthurine. After years of eating too much junk food.
IT seemed like he was blaming him for having a stroke, almost patient shaming.
And when eventually heard joe died, her mind went to a very dark place. SHE wondered if sera gene had been playing her. I was not sure .
if you'd taken my information and used at the wrong way.
IT was almost like a velan was reading detective rock's my.
ChAmbers county district attorney share a leak at a problem, a big one, no matter how is suspicious, serous behavior or strange the conditions under which joe hearts field died, the case against her simply wasn't strong enough to make IT arrest.
We didn't really have enough. We had to wait for more information to come in.
Still, da leak went to work. How could he not, given what we learned about seras background and the alleged plot to kill Chris dona huge wife, and especially the David brag shooting league, thought that should have been prosecuted?
I can see IT clearly that IT needs further investigation .
hearing Sarah was close to moving away from chAmber's county in the surgeries, diction daa broke the glass SHE convened an emergency session of the county grand jury to see if he could get Sarah and died now before the investigation, that to jose's death was completed.
So we presented everything we had at that point, and they edited or and then SHE was arrested.
After that, he will go on trial charged with .
what murder.
Sarra was booked into the chAmbers county jail on a four point five million dollar bond and was soon on the phone to her daughter Ashley.
I was getting my hair done, and I saw that I was a 卡。 And he said, prison sah jail. And then is that chAmbers counting? I know acquire chAmbers who's calling me like that.
I didn't know anybody else. I got to you and SHE answered. I was like.
what did you do?
What he said, they arrested me. And I was like for what?
And he said, murder, like to hear.
I didn't really know how to feel about IT because my phone was on speaker.
so my hair lady heard IT.
I didn't really hit me because at first I was just very chaotic. I had a lot of things rushing through my mind again later that night, like I really, I really was just heavy on me and I I think I I came to the realization that I had to accept that something was really wrong. Because you don't arrest somebody and charged him with murder if they did nothing unless you have like something.
have you got ta see in jail?
I have not. I don't think I want to.
On April twenty seventh, Ashley was only a block away from the jail and chAmber's county, but SHE was not a count to visit her mom no, as he was there to testify about her mom before a grand jury and up and met a sota where we've reopened the David brag shooting case, a spokesperson for the county eternities office told us they expect decision on possible charges within the next couple of weeks.
We wanted to hear what Sarah had to say about hearts, field and brag and the alleged plock to murder heather and codes, house fire, the whole lot of IT we visit at her in jail twice, where he told us he wanted to appear on our program to answer any questions I might have, and that once he had done that, we'd all understand that he was innocent. But then in the day before we were to talk, SHE consult at her attorney and changed her mind. But SHE did send us a whole slew of text messages, hundreds of them.
He wrote that she's a twenty year combat veteran of the army who had a top secret security clearance that SHE is completely innocent, has always loved her husband Joseph, and is devastated at the loss of him. Sarah said he never knew anything about joes insulin, specifically how much he took in when, and SHE said he was disappointed and heartbroken. Her two oldest children aren't supporting her after all he did for them. As for people in surrogate past those we've been able to week to, they all said they were surprised by your arrest. But for a number of reasons I really thought SHE won't get caught and get .
away with IT.
Yeah about that is like what we talking about rested for what apparently murder up in the murder, who IT didn't .
match the person that we had met. And we had known for those years.
My sentence directed towards the hearts field.
because this could have been a point.
Our biggest pair the whole time has been that this would happen .
to someone else IT wouldn't surprise me .
if he did do IT somebody had posted the article with her mug shot, and I honestly thought I was a joke because the person I knew I didn't think could could have been capable of that.
Meanwhile, evidence is assembled. It's a puzzle. There is continuing to be put together at the pieces. And this is a big puzzle. This is one of those thousand peace puzzles. Orty, before we SAT down for our interview, was actually the medical examiner made public the primary cause of Joseph heartfelt death. IT was complications of toxic effects of insulin, in other words, and insulin overdose, just as the medical teams suspected, but not at all what Sarah had posted on facebook.
SHE said IT was .
her stroke. Does that not the same party, joes, mother and brother, potential witnesses, both of them are afraid to say anything about Sarah before trial. What did you feel like when you heard that sera had been arrested and charged?
Think we need to talk about that.
Yeah, I talk about.
Well, da sharrow leak builds a murdered case against sera. Gene IT sounds to me like you don't think you know everything there is to .
know about her yet. I really do not think that we do.
What happened when the press release about her arrest was posted on facebook?
I went crazy. IT just was like bugs hiding a windshield IT just went crazy. I went everywhere. We started getting phone calls and messages on social media.
And that's what i'm talking to you right now, is because we're just asking everybody that knows that know hard to come forward. Even if you were her best friend, I want to hear about her. I want to hear about your experience with .
her da league. I want to give Sarah and ryan a call. You suspected their other incidents in your mother's life, which the police will end up being interested in as they continue their investigation.
Hundred percent.
Yeah.
there are some that I have in mind that i'm kind of awaiting for them to come away.
So maybe the story of sera gene isn't fully though yet. That's all for this edition of deadline. We're off this sunday, but we'll see you again next friday at nine eight central.
And of course, i'll see you each week night for nbc nightly news. I'm lester hold for all of us at nbc news. Good night.
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