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Anthropic’s Mike Krieger wants to build AI products that are worth the hype

2024/9/9
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Mike Krieger：Artifact 项目的关闭是经过深思熟虑的决定，团队在评估了产品发展和自身目标后，认为关闭项目是正确的选择。将 Artifact 卖给雅虎是正确的决定，因为这能让产品理念延续，并且团队能够继续探索新的方向。Artifact 的失败部分原因是其基于丰富的网络这一前提受到了挑战，因为越来越多的内容迁移到封闭平台。互联网正在变得越来越不富裕，内容越来越集中在封闭平台上，这使得依赖于开放网络的Artifact等产品面临挑战。Artifact 未实现的宏伟目标之一是构建一个强大的推荐系统，并将其应用于多个垂直领域。加入 Anthropic 的主要原因是希望能够在一家拥有优秀团队、给予足够自主权并致力于解决重大问题的公司工作，同时避免再次创业的压力。他对人工智能在创意领域的应用以及由此带来的伦理问题非常关注。他认为，人工智能产品能否克服争议，取决于其实用性和价值，目前许多产品还达不到这个标准。Anthropic 关注的是解决具体的实际问题，而不是试图解决所有问题，这有助于避免一些伦理困境。他认为，人工智能聊天机器人能否获得与TikTok类似的广泛接受，取决于其能否直接为内容创作者带来价值。Anthropic 公司的核心价值观是安全和负责任地发展人工智能技术。Anthropic 公司重视安全，在产品发布前会进行全面的安全评估。他对人工智能技术持乐观态度，相信人类能够应对信息过载和人工智能带来的挑战。Anthropic 意识到人工智能产品可能带来的负面影响，并致力于在产品设计中解决这些问题。他认为，大型语言模型目前还不能完全实现人们对人工智能的所有期望，但其潜力巨大。大型语言模型不仅能直接创造价值，还能帮助人们构建创造更大价值的产品。他认为可以通过技术手段和产品设计来控制大型语言模型，从而构建可靠且有价值的产品。Anthropic 将专注于改进 Claude 的企业应用和 API，并致力于提高模型处理数据的能力。

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Mike Krieger discusses the decision to shut down Artifact and his reasons for joining Anthropic, focusing on the value of closing a chapter when it's the right time and the excitement of working on big problems at scale.
  • Artifact had a small but passionate user base, but growth and product direction were uncertain.
  • Krieger wanted to work on interesting problems at scale without starting a new company.
  • Anthropic offered a combination of a strong research team and product greenfield, aligning with Krieger's desire to be close to core tech and interesting problems.

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Today, I’m talking with Mike Krieger, the new chief product officer at Anthropic, one of the hottest AI companies in the industry. Anthropic’s main product right now is Claude, the name of both its industry-leading AI model and a chatbot that competes with ChatGPT. 

Mike has a fascinating resume: he was the cofounder of Instagram, and then started AI-powered newsreader Artifact. I was a fan of Artifact, so I wanted to know more about the decision to shut it down as well as the decision to sell it to Yahoo. And then I wanted to know why Mike decided to join Anthropic and work in AI — an industry with a lot of investment, but very few consumer products to justify it. What’s this all for? 

**Links: **

  • Instagram co-founder Mike Krieger is Anthropic’s new chief product officer | The Verge)

  • Instagram’s co-founders are shutting down their Artifact news app | The Verge)

  • Yahoo resurrects Artifact inside a new AI-powered News app | The Verge)

  • Authors sue Anthropic for training AI using pirated books | The Verge)

  • The text file that runs the internet | The Verge)

  • Anthropic’s crawler is ignoring websites’ anti-AI scraping policies | The Verge)

  • Golden Gate Claude | Anthropic)

  • Inside the white-hot center of AI doomerism | New York Times)

  • Dario Amodei, CEO of Anthropic, on the paradoxes of AI safety | Hard Fork)

  • No one’s ready for this | The Verge)

  • OpenAI announces SearchGPT, its AI-powered search engine | The Verge)

  • Amazon-backed Anthropic rolls out Claude AI for big business | CNBC)

**Transcript: **https://www.theverge.com/e/24001603)

**Credits: **

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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