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Tech antitrust is about to get really weird

2024/12/18
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Neil Apatow: 本期节目讨论了美国科技行业的反垄断政策,特别是在特朗普政府即将上任之际。拜登政府采取了强硬的反垄断立场,对亚马逊、苹果、Meta和谷歌等公司提起诉讼,试图阻止大型科技公司通过收购来扼杀竞争。然而,随着特朗普政府的回归,以及安德鲁·弗格森和盖尔·斯莱特分别被提名为联邦贸易委员会主席和司法部反垄断部门负责人,反垄断政策的走向充满了不确定性。弗格森承诺扭转拜登政府的政策,并利用反垄断法来约束科技公司,特别是针对其所谓的政治审查。斯莱特则可能继续推进对苹果和谷歌的反垄断诉讼。这种局面导致了明显的矛盾:一方面,新政府可能允许大型公司继续发展壮大;另一方面,他们可能支持对谷歌进行拆分,以惩罚其对言论的控制。 总而言之,科技公司希望看到反垄断执法的放松,但未来走向仍不明朗,可能出现两种情况:一是放松反垄断执法,恢复以往的并购活动;二是出现一种仅针对科技行业的、两党合作的反垄断努力。 Leah Nyland: 反垄断政策在过去几年中经历了剧烈的波动,这与政治重新调整有关。过去,人们普遍认为过大的公司会对社会产生负面影响,但80年代以来这种观点有所改变。现在,共和党和民主党对大型科技公司的态度出现了奇怪的重新调整。共和党利用反垄断法来惩罚大型科技公司,原因是这些公司对言论的控制,这种做法与传统共和党对商业的立场相矛盾。安德鲁·弗格森认为,行业集中度高会使政府更容易与大型企业串通,从而影响政策。共和党对大型科技公司的关注,可能是因为这些公司容易成为攻击目标,并且拥有大量资金。法院在处理反垄断案件时,可能会受到现有判例的限制,这可能会影响他们对案件的判决。特朗普政府的反垄断政策可能取决于特朗普个人的偏好和与科技公司CEO的关系。特朗普对反垄断政策可能缺乏深入的理解,他可能会依赖顾问的意见来制定政策。 总而言之,共和党对科技公司采取强硬立场的原因复杂,既有对言论控制的担忧,也有对科技公司经济和政治权力的担忧。未来反垄断政策走向的不确定性,将对科技公司,特别是小型科技公司的发展产生重大影响。

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Why is the antitrust landscape particularly strange under the second Trump administration?

The antitrust landscape is particularly strange under the second Trump administration because it combines a pro-business stance with a strong focus on breaking up big tech companies, especially over perceived political censorship. This creates a tension where the administration supports large mergers and acquisitions in other sectors but remains aggressive towards tech giants like Google and Facebook.

What is the background of Andrew Ferguson, Trump's pick for FTC Chair?

Andrew Ferguson is a Republican commissioner on the Federal Trade Commission, previously a solicitor general for Virginia and a former aide to Mitch McConnell. He has strong connections in the Republican Party and is known for his conservative views and opposition to big tech, particularly on the grounds of perceived political censorship.

Why are Republicans focusing on big tech companies in their antitrust efforts?

Republicans are focusing on big tech companies in their antitrust efforts primarily due to perceived political censorship, especially following the deplatforming of Donald Trump and the removal of conservative platforms like Rumble from app stores. They see these companies as having too much control over information and free speech, which aligns with their cultural and political concerns.

What are the potential legal challenges in applying antitrust laws specifically to big tech companies?

The main legal challenge in applying antitrust laws specifically to big tech companies is ensuring that the laws are applied consistently and not just to one sector of the economy. There is a risk of creating sector-specific regulations, which goes against the general principle of broad antitrust laws. Additionally, courts may be hesitant to reinterpret existing antitrust laws without a strong body of precedent.

What is the significance of the Google antitrust case and its potential remedies?

The Google antitrust case is significant because it has already found Google to be an illegal monopolist in search, and the proposed remedies include selling Chrome and preventing default placements. The case is being closely watched as it could set a precedent for how antitrust laws are applied to tech giants and influence similar cases against other companies like Apple and Amazon.

How might the Trump administration's approach to antitrust affect dealmaking and mergers in the tech industry?

The Trump administration's approach to antitrust is likely to allow more dealmaking and mergers in the tech industry, particularly for smaller companies and vertical deals. However, it is expected to remain cautious with the largest tech companies like Google and Facebook, potentially allowing more acquisitions in areas where these giants are not dominant.

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The podcast discusses the current state of antitrust policy in the tech industry, highlighting the unusual political realignment where Republicans are now focused on antitrust actions against big tech companies. This is a shift from the traditional Republican stance of supporting big business. The conversation sets the stage to explore the potential implications of the incoming Trump administration's appointees on antitrust enforcement.
  • The pendulum of antitrust policy has swung wildly.
  • Republicans are now targeting big tech, a shift from their usual pro-business stance.
  • The Biden administration took a bold approach to antitrust, resulting in major lawsuits against tech giants.
  • Trump's appointees promise to change the direction of antitrust enforcement.

Shownotes Transcript

Today we’re talking about antitrust policy and tech, which is at a particularly weird moment as we enter the second Trump administration. A lot of tech policy is at a weird moment, actually, but antitrust might be the weirdest of them all — the pendulum has swung back and forth on antitrust policy pretty wildly over the past few years, and it’s about to swing again under Trump. So I asked Leah Nylen, an antitrust reporter for Bloomberg News and a leading expert on this subject, to come on the show and help break it all down. 

**Links: **

  • Trump’s antitrust trio heralds Big Tech crackdown to continue | Bloomberg)

  • Trump picks FTC Commissioner Andrew Ferguson to lead the agency | Politico)

  • Trump picks Gail Slater to head Justice Department's antitrust division | Reuters)

  • Trump names Brendan Carr as his FCC leader | The Verge)

  • Trump’s FTC pick promises to go after ‘censorship’ from tech companies | The Verge)

  • Breaking down the DOJ’s plan to end Google’s search monopoly | The Verge)

  • US v. Google redux: all the news from the ad tech trial | The Verge)

  • Tech leaders kiss the ring | The Verge)

  • DOJ antitrust chief is ‘overjoyed’ after Google monopoly verdict | Decoder)

  • This is Big Tech’s playbook for swallowing the AI industry | Command Line)

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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