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The AI arms race to build digital god

2024/10/24
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主持人：本期节目探讨了AI行业对构建具有改变世界能力的超级人工智能的共识，并分析了OpenAI和Anthropic两家公司在这一目标上的异同，以及由此引发的安全性和信任度问题。节目中还讨论了AI技术军备竞赛、融资压力以及AI公司高管的动机等问题。 Kylie Robison：就数字上帝是否友好的问题，存在持续的哲学争论。围绕AI的讨论呈现部落主义特征，一方认为AI将改变世界，另一方则对此持怀疑态度。Dario Amodei的文章《Machines of Loving Grace》阐述了超级智能AI的潜力，但同时也承认其不确定性。Amodei认为AGI可以显著加速科学进步，解决各种问题，例如治疗PTSD和促进民主。然而，Amodei的文章未能令人信服地解释如何实现其设想的乌托邦。 Kylie Robison还分析了OpenAI从研究实验室转向科技公司的转变，以及由此导致的部分研究人员离职。她认为，OpenAI的不透明性使得外界难以判断其安全措施的有效性。AI安全性面临着内容审核、提示工程和潜在行动风险等挑战。她还指出，市场竞争和融资压力促使AI公司改变其公开立场，并强调巨额资金投入用于AI研究人员和计算资源。AI代理（Agent）被视为大型语言模型的商业化途径，但其盈利模式和投资回报存在不确定性。 Kylie Robison还分析了OpenAI与微软之间的复杂关系，以及OpenAI对微软的依赖性。她认为，AI公司面临资金短缺的风险，并指出商业压力影响AI公司的宣传和产品发布策略。最后，她强调了政府监管对确保AI安全性的重要性，并指出AI公司需要赢得公众的信任。 Kylie Robison: 就数字上帝是否友好的问题，存在持续的哲学争论。围绕AI的讨论呈现部落主义特征，一方认为AI将改变世界，另一方则对此持怀疑态度。Dario Amodei的文章《Machines of Loving Grace》阐述了超级智能AI的潜力，但同时也承认其不确定性。Amodei认为AGI可以显著加速科学进步，解决各种问题，例如治疗PTSD和促进民主。然而，Amodei的文章未能令人信服地解释如何实现其设想的乌托邦。 Kylie Robison还分析了OpenAI从研究实验室转向科技公司的转变，以及由此导致的部分研究人员离职。她认为，OpenAI的不透明性使得外界难以判断其安全措施的有效性。AI安全性面临着内容审核、提示工程和潜在行动风险等挑战。她还指出，市场竞争和融资压力促使AI公司改变其公开立场，并强调巨额资金投入用于AI研究人员和计算资源。AI代理（Agent）被视为大型语言模型的商业化途径，但其盈利模式和投资回报存在不确定性。 Kylie Robison还分析了OpenAI与微软之间的复杂关系，以及OpenAI对微软的依赖性。她认为，AI公司面临资金短缺的风险，并指出商业压力影响AI公司的宣传和产品发布策略。最后，她强调了政府监管对确保AI安全性的重要性，并指出AI公司需要赢得公众的信任。

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The episode begins with a discussion on the ambitious goals of AI companies like OpenAI and Anthropic, who aim to create superintelligent AI that could revolutionize various aspects of life.
  • OpenAI's Sam Altman claims superintelligent AI could be achieved in a few thousand days.
  • Anthropic's Dario Amodei envisions AI capable of curing diseases and spreading democracy by 2026.
  • Both companies promise dramatic improvements in work, science, healthcare, and democracy.

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Today, we’re going to try and figure out Digital God. I figured we’ve been doing Decoder long enough, let’s just get after it. Can we build an artificial intelligence so powerful it changes the world and answers all our questions? The AI industry has decided the answer is yes. 

In September, OpenAI’s Sam Altman published a blog post claiming we’ll have superintelligent AI in “a few thousand days.” And earlier this month, Dario Amodei, the CEO of Anthropic published a 14,000-word post laying out what he thinks such a system will be capable of when it does arrive, which he says could be as soon as 2026. Verge senior AI reporter Kylie Robison joins me on the show to break it all down. 

**Links: **

  • Machines of Loving Grace | Dario Amodei)

  • The Intelligence Age | Sam Altman)

  • Anthropic’s CEO thinks AI will lead to a utopia | The Verge)

  • AI manifestos flood the tech zone | Axios)

  • OpenAI just raised $6.6 billion to build ever-larger AI models | The Verge)

  • OpenAI was a research lab — now it’s just another tech company | The Verge)

  • California governor vetoes major AI safety bill | The Verge)

  • Microsoft and OpenAI’s close partnership shows signs of fraying | NYT)

  • The $14 Billion question dividing OpenAI and Microsoft | WSJ)

  • Anthropic has floated $40 Billion valuation in funding talks | The Information)

**Credits: **

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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