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Why Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg went to war over WordPress

2025/6/30
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Neil Apatow: 我正在与WordPress母公司Automattic的CEO Matt Mullenweg对话，讨论Automattic未来20年的发展以及WordPress面临的挑战，包括与WP Engine的法律纠纷。WordPress是网络上最主要的平台之一，但其结构复杂，包括非营利基金会、开源项目和营利性公司。Matt去年与WP Engine发生了公开的法律纠纷，因为他认为WP Engine没有充分回馈WordPress开源代码库。Matt愿意讨论他在此事中的想法、决策以及遗憾，并对AI持乐观态度，对Beeper的未来感到兴奋。 Matt Mullenweg: 我从19岁开始做WordPress，至今已经22年了。WordPress业务被称为生态系统，而Automattic的另一面是应用程序。看到我关注的出版物使用WordPress软件，我感到非常满足。Beeper可以将多个消息平台整合在一起，并安全地在所有设备上运行。我们收购Clay是为了解决Beeper用户在管理过多信息时遇到的问题，它是一个个人CRM。我们很幸运能参与到IT消费化的浪潮中，从优秀的用户体验出发构建业务功能。我希望Beeper能达到1亿用户，它有潜力成为Automattic最大的产品。我们不试图取代其他消息应用，而是提供一个界面，让用户可以更多地使用这些网络，连接更多的人。如何利用Web技术构建开放架构，以及我们将面临哪些挑战。

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Today, I’m talking with Matt Mullenweg, the founder and CEO of Automattic and the public face of WordPress. Last year, Matt essentially went to war, publicly and in the courts, against a hosting company called WP Engine, and there’s been significant fallout at Automattic and the broader WordPress community.  

It’s been a long, drawn-out saga. That said, Matt was willing to come on the show and talk through some of this thinking here, why he made some of the decisions he did, and also what he regrets about how some of this went down. 

**Links: **

  • The messy WordPress drama, explained | Verge)

  • Celebrating 20 Years of Automattic | Automattic)

  • Matt Mullenweg: ‘WordPress.org just belongs to me’ | Verge)

  • Automattic offered employees another chance to quit over | Verge)

  • WordPress owner Automattic is laying off 16 percent of workers | Verge)

  • Tumblr will move all of its blogs to WordPress | Verge)

  • Beeper was just acquired by Automattic | Verge)

  • Automattic acquires relationship manager Clay | TechCrunch)

  • How WordPress and Tumblr are keeping the internet weird | Decoder)

  • How to buy a social network, with Tumblr CEO Matt Mullenweg | Decoder)

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright. 

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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