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Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about Winona Ryder. We are previewing the coming episode on Van Halen, part two on Van Halen, actually.

talking about the Hollywoodland Minute with Tim Allen and we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always a whole lot of Rosie All Right Discos. Let's get into it.

All right. This week's full episode of Disgraceland on Winona Ryder is hopefully unlike any Winona Ryder story that you've heard before. I'd never heard it anyway before we get into producing it. I'm talking more about Winona's drive to solve a real life true crime more than I'm talking about Winona being caught up in her own true crime. Now,

That's if you count shoplifting as a true crime, which I know is a stretch. Anyway, that aside, this story, like I said, we hope it's one that you haven't heard about Winona before, and we hope you dig it. Winona is a tricky subject to cover. Incidentally, she's the last non-musician that we're covering in the Disgraced Land feed, and eventually Winona will take her rightful place in the Hollywood Land feed alongside all of the other non-musicians that we covered in this past year in our Icon series series.

And from now on, once again, Disgraceland will be 100% music. All right. But back to Winona Ryder. She's interesting, of course. Okay. Interesting in this context. I'm saying this because, like I said before, she's tough to cover. She's an actress. Yes. But she's also pretty rock and roll and always has been. And we didn't get into Winona's connection to music in this full episode that we just released a couple days ago, which is kind of a miss on our part. But anyway,

That's what we have after parties for. So if you grew up like I did in the 1980s and in the 1990s, and even if you grew up in the aughts as well, you know that Winona Ryder has great taste in music. And you can tell this, of course, not only from the t-shirts that she wears, but by the men that she has dated. I don't know about you guys, but I've never really dated anybody seriously who had bad taste in music before.

I've dated a couple musicians to disastrous ends. I wouldn't recommend that. Being a musician, I can say that I think with a little more full-throatedness than others can. My wife, however, and most of the women I've dated have had good taste in music. My wife has incredible taste in music. And she not only has...

She has kind of this, which I love about her, this sort of fuck you attitude about it, which if you don't like what I like, I don't care. And I don't have to like everything you like. And I know that sounds obvious,

But in a lot of couple dynamics, that's not the way. And I really like being called out. For instance, I've said this before, my wife hates Pearl Jam. I don't mind Pearl Jam, despite the shit I give Pearl Jam on this show. And she's constantly giving me shit about it. She's constantly checking my sort of like hipper than thou Gen X attitude toward music that I just give off without really trying to.

And she likes 311 and doesn't care that I think that's the lamest thing in the world.

A lit video will come on. She'll be like, fuck yeah, lit. This reminds me of when I was young, which I can't stand lit, but you know, she's into it. I know I'm not selling her as having good taste, but I'm just saying she has her own North Star when it comes to music. And she's turned me on to plenty of great music. I say all this because we could tell that Winona Ryder had great taste in music growing up. And it wasn't, like I said, just about the t-shirts. It was about the men that she dated.

Of course, there was Johnny Depp, who in addition to being a great actor is also a musician. And I think he considers himself and always has first and foremost a musician. We'll get into more of that when we do the Johnny Depp episode of Hollywoodland. That's the end of the story. Winona, of course, in addition to dating Johnny Depp, also dated Dave Perner from Soul Asylum. She dated, I didn't know this until recently, she dated Paige Hamilton from Helmet. That's crazy to me.

I don't know, because Paige just feels like such a regular non-Hollywood type guy. Not that Dave Perner is Hollywood, but he was a much bigger rock star than Paige Hamilton was. I guess I love that Winona dated Paige Hamilton. She also dated Beck, and she dated Rilo Kiley guitarist Blake Sennett, which makes sense to me now that I read this, because...

The one and only time I saw Winona Ryder in person, it was backstage at Rilo Kiley's last show at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles, which I had the privilege of going to and somehow getting backstage. I don't exactly remember how. But I was totally starstruck when I saw Winona, which I don't usually get.

But, I mean, such a huge part of my childhood, Winona Ryder, man. Gosh, just like, oh, she was the coolest, the absolute coolest. Like, sitting alone on the mountaintop of cool coolness in the 1990s anyways. And I'm trying to think of what other...

young starlet. I don't mean young, like age wise. I mean, youth culture. I mean, like, you know, when I say starlet, I like, you know, Julia Roberts is a starlet. Nicole Kidman's a starlet, but that's not what I mean. They're, they're, they're not of this generation. They were of, I guess the nineties generation Winona was. I can't come up. They were, they were Nicole Kidman and Julia Roberts were nowhere near as cool as Winona Ryder.

They had their attributes for sure. But who was as cool as Winona in the 90s? I don't know, Drew Barrymore? I don't think so. Winona had her own thing, completely her own thing. She was just totally symbolic of what it meant to be cool in the 90s, I think. I wouldn't have admitted that then. That's how cool I was. But now, just Winona looked it, she talked it, she clearly thought it based on our episode that we just gave you. I had girlfriends...

When I think about it, I had girlfriends that were like Winona knockoffs. Like they did their hair like Winona. They dressed like Winona. That's sort of, I'm not saying they copied Winona's sense of humor, that sly sense of humor, but that was the aesthetic. That was part of the cultural moment. That was part of the mentality that we were all going through in the middle of Generation X as we were consuming culture and trying to emulate it.

I think we overlook, what I'm getting at here is I think we overlook Winona Ryder's impact on culture beyond, of course, the men she dated. That's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm trying to make the point that she wasn't dating no schlubs. She was too cool for that. But I'm trying to think of actresses

from other eras who represented their eras in the same way that Winona did the nineties. Maybe Daryl Hannah in the 1980s, maybe Olivia Newton, John in the seventies. You go back further to the 1960s. He started talking about Raquel Welch and Bridget Bardot. And I don't know those, those actresses didn't seem to have a grip on culture in the same way that Winona did. Um,

Cool rock star boyfriends aside, again, Winona's 1990s filmography is a murderer's row of cool as hell.

Just the coolest movie roles. I mean, come on. Mermaids and Edward Scissorhands in 1990. And yes, I had the Mermaid soundtrack on cassette. Then you got Jim Jarmusch's Night on Earth in 91. Martin Scorsese's The Age of Innocence in 91 as well, which, okay, sure, I didn't see this until about two years ago, but it's still Winona with Martin Scorsese pretty much right after Goodfellas.

She did Dracula, The Crucible, Woody Allen's Celebrity, which is underrated, by the way. And not one of my favorite movies, but I know people love Girl Interrupted. And then, I mean, at the end of the 80s, you have Heathers and Beetlejuice, which precedes that incredible list I just gave you. That's an amazing run for any actor. It's incredible.

And no wonder we were all smitten with Winona. Was there anyone cooler in the 90s than Winona? I don't know. Anyway, I hope you dug the episode. Go check it out. It's the one that comes just before this here bonus episode, this after-party episode of Disgraceland. We've got a Rewind episode coming up right afterwards. This week, we're going back to the 90s again, the notorious B.I.G. in our Rewind slot. It's a two-parter. And we programmed it here because the Diddy Trial is starting on May 5th.

I think that date is still going to hold. We shall see. So if you want a primer on the special brand of bad boy 90s madness, then you can't go wrong with these Biggie Smalls episodes, which essentially get into who I think killed the notorious B.I.G., Christopher Wallace. I had to be cagey about it in the episode. I couldn't just come out outright and say it.

You know, I hope someday we get to the truth of this. I think it's crazy that we're not there yet. I have this real kind of like low-key, burning, yearning desire to have these ditty moments

that I hope are coming with this trial. I hope we get some sort of insight into Biggie's death and into Tupac's death as well. Not sure if that's going to happen, but I am crossing my fingers. So check out the Notorious B.I.G. episodes that are in the rewind spot. You will not be disappointed. They're produced in a really great way, and I think you're going to find it fascinating. If you have questions on B.I.G.,

Who Killed Christopher Wallace. We're going to talk about it in a more in-depth manner. Hit me up. Hit me up. You know where to hit me up. Patreon. Hit me up on Instagram. Email me. I'm around to talk biggie. All right. Listen, coming up after that on Tuesday, next Tuesday, we've got our, or this next Tuesday coming. Yeah. We've got our two-part episode on Van Halen. Now you didn't expect us to just release one Van Halen episode, did you? There are

way too many insane Van Halen stories to tell. And you're getting it all here in Disgraced Sand and you're getting it differently than you will anywhere else. You might've noticed, we don't tell these stories the same way everyone else does. We don't give you the paint by numbers take on these artists. We give you the stuff you've likely never heard before, unless you go as deep as we do. And I know some of you do, and I love that about you, but still we give you our own take on these artists, no matter the research. And it's always from the heart. And I know you guys appreciate it and I appreciate you for it.

Anyways, Van Halen brings us to next week's question of the week. When you're listening to the part two episode of Van Halen, I want you to be thinking about the Mount Rushmore of guitar players. We've talked about this before. We did not settle it. I think I did a reel on Van Halen and that's what prompted this conversation we were having on Instagram. I did a reel on Eddie, excuse me. But I want to get into it in a bigger way here with the whole podcast audience. I want to know who you think is the most

deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore of guitar players. And I want you to let me know if Eddie Van Halen deserves to be. I think you know how I feel on this. And if Eddie does or doesn't, who are the four guitarists

that are up there. Okay. You only get to choose four. And I want to know if Eddie Van Halen has made your list. Let me know. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text at disgracelandpod on the socials to give me your answer on the question of the week. You may hear your answer in next week's after party. When we get into the voicemails, we get into the texts, we get into the DMs. I'm going to take a quick break right now, but as always, I'll be hanging with you on the telephone on the other side with your voicemails, texts, and DMs.

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617-906-6638. You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone. You want to send me a voicemail or a text, this is the place to do it. And the way to do it, again, is 617-906-6638. All right, let's hear from Miguel in the 813.

Hey, Jake, what's up? This is Miguel of Tampa. You're talking about bands that are people from bands that went from one band to another and had a better or at least impactful career with them both. And one of the ones that I first think of is Tim Armstrong and Matt Freeman from Operation Ivy going on to form Rancid. And like I said, I'm not saying better, but in

impactful still. So yeah, that's all I got. All right, Jake, later. Miguel, you are so right on, man. I can't believe I blew that one. I loved Operation Ivy growing up. Had that cassette sound system. What's it say? Sound system. One thing that I can't remember. But Tim Armstrong goes on to make Ranted after Operation Ivy. Just incredible. All right, let's hear from Travis in the 920. Travis.

Hey, Jake, this is Travis from Cape Floral, Florida. Awesome episode of Chris Cornell Soundgarden. So for your question, I got to say, I am a huge, huge fan of Slash. I might get a little bit of hate for this, but now Appetite for Destruction, Use Your Illusion 1, two of the best rock albums ever, in my opinion. However, Slash has done more on

on the collaboration end and the solo end than he did with Guns N' Roses. And he just put out some phenomenal, phenomenal stuff since he left Guns N' Roses. Again, might get a little heat for that, but I'm sticking to it. Huge fan of Slash. Love your show. Keep up the great work. Rock and roll love. Love this take. I can't totally go there with you on it, though, because...

Nothing Slash did after Guns N' Roses was as culturally impactful as Guns N' Roses. Maybe Velvet Revolver, I guess, comes the closest. And I understand. I know his solo stuff is really good. I know people love it. People freak out about it. So I see where you're coming from. You know, it's just tough, though. It's tough to go all the way there with you because of, like I said, Guns N' Roses were just, I mean, you know, they were just incredibly impressive.

important culturally in the, in the nineties. They were just the biggest band, biggest rock band around until Nirvana came. And, you know, one thing it just reminded me of the, like we're talking about, we got this Van Halen episode coming up and we're talking about great guitarists slash. I don't feel like it's enough heat as the great guitarists in the conversation with the greats. And maybe, maybe some guitar players out there have good reason for, for not thinking so. Yeah.

But I think Slash's style is pretty signature. I think he's a beast of a guitar player. I think he could play different styles if he cared to. And Travis, you probably know better than most because you're up on his solo stuff. He's one of those guys. Is he top four? Mount Rushmore? I don't know. Call me back. Let me know what you think. All right, Travis? 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text 530ZACK from SAC. Okay.

Zach from SAC. I'm guessing that's Sacramento. Zach's writing in as well about Tim Armstrong going on to be in Operation Ivy. I really left this one. I left this one hanging out there. All right, 302 writes in, in relation to our Winona Ryder episode, hey, definitely Drew Barrymore and Winona Ryder over Heather Graham. Winona and Drew have definitely outlasted Heather. Where is Heather now? Where'd she go? Did you know that she dated Adam Ant for a while? Heather Graham?

Heather Graham dated Adam Ant? That can't be true. Come on. Someone said I should do an Adam Ant episode of Disgraceland. Should I? 617-906-6638. Let me know. All right, Doug writes in from the 513. Jake, Doug from the 513. STP is great. Not a poser. Not contrived. He died from heroin. What's more grunge? On that note, maybe Pearl Jam is the contrived band.

I don't agree, but I love this logic. It's dark, but I love it. 513 goes on to write. And geese, what do you hear that I don't? I can tell this dude.

Doug is being very, very charitable to me right now. He's holding back. He wants to kill me for liking geese and he's being very polite. Doug, I appreciate it. He says, and geese question mark. What do you hear that? I don't. They opened for GVF last year and they were the worst band I've ever heard. Maybe they suck live and I need to give them a second chance. Maybe I need to start questioning your usually impeccable taste. Okay. Um, first of all,

They could have sucked live. I don't doubt that. Some bands have bad nights. Some bands, it takes them a long, long, long time to become a good live band. Now, I will tell you, I went on YouTube prior to reading this a couple weeks ago. I was in a geese hole.

And I saw a lot of bad live geese. Okay. A lot of bad, like embarrassingly bad. However, there is some great live geese as well. And it's clearly just a thing of them taking time to get their live shit together. There's a Rolling Stone studio, like live in studio thing that geese did where they're just, they're hitting on every level. Fantastic. Check that out. Um,

Maybe that'll change your mind. What I'm hearing that you don't is the irreverence, the weirdness, the youth. It's all fresh and exciting to me. And it is the perfect meld of being steeped in rock and roll tradition, but not sounding like anything that I've heard before. So there you go. I think I just salvaged my quote unquote, usually impeccable taste, Doug. I hope so anyways.

Oh, and what I'm hearing that you're not, I think, is 3D Country, the 2023 full length. Check that out, Doug, and listen to it from start to finish and let me know what you think. All right, guys, real quick, before we move on to the next part of this after party, I want to let you know this thing we just did. We had our representatives who work for us. They did a data analysis of our audience, of you guys, and they largely went

based on what they could learn from our social media following. And what they came back with, I feel like was kind of accurate, not as accurate as I would like it to be. But basically what they're saying is you guys are mostly between the ages of 25 and 55. You skew slightly more female than male. You

More of you are college educated than not. You make slightly more money than most Americans do. And whatever, that stuff is less interesting to me than the following. You are into it so they can gauge what you're into for music and what you're into, what kind of celebrities you follow, what your general interests are.

And so you guys are more than any other music you're into alternative slash rock. Okay. And I guess that's just defined as however social media defines it.

celebrities that you're really into. Carrie Brownstein from Portlandia. Ryan Adams was another one. The author, Brad Meltzer, who I've never read before, so I found that to be interesting. You're heavily into tattoos. You like beer. And generally speaking, you're into Americana.

So I thought, okay, maybe, sure, yeah, I get it. I see where they're coming from. But I talk to you guys every week. I hear from you here on voicemail and text. And I don't think this is totally accurate. If I had to guess, I would say that you are slightly more male than female. I think they nailed the age, income, all that stuff. Top cities, however,

They mentioned, I should mention this, are New York City, Los Angeles, Boston, Austin, in that order. But I think that's just reflective of how big those cities are compared to others. I know you guys are all over the place. I hear it. I mean, look, I was just texting with some dude from Oklahoma, another from Cape Coral, Florida. I know you're all over the place. But I'm more interested in the music side of things, the television and film side of things, what you're into, right?

I want to know what your interests are. If you could be so kind, I don't want to do a survey or anything like that, but just hit me up 617-906-6638 and tell me about yourselves.

Tell me what you're into for music and be general. You don't have to be super specific about it. You can be general about it. Are you more into alternative than you are into classic rock? Are you more into punk than you are into alternative? Are you more, whatever it is, there's no right or wrong answer. I think they're accurate. I think you guys are on the sort of

Gen X alternative slash classic rock with a heavy interest in punk. I think that's generally speaking who you guys are. I think you pride yourself. There's no way to tell this, but I think you pride yourself on your knowledge of music history and culture and celebrity history and culture. And I think that's generally speaking who you guys are.

And I think you pride yourself on knowing a little bit more than the average bear when it comes to these topics. And you like sharing these topics with other people, which tells me that you're not only curious, you're also smart.

which, you know, whether you're college educated or not, that doesn't matter. You're curious and smart. I know that about you and no demographic testing machine is going to tell me otherwise, not that it is. But again, I want to know, I guess the question is this, what is your favorite style of music? Who are your favorite artists? What are your favorite movies? Who are your favorite actors and actresses? And generally speaking, what are you into? Car shows,

IPAs, tattoos, that sort of thing. What's the big kind of general thing that you guys are into? Flea marketing, antiquing. I don't think it's those things, but I'm throwing out some other examples. Hit me back and let me know. I'd really, really appreciate it. 617-906-6638. Because the more I can nail this down,

the more I can figure out what to give you guys for content. And we're trying to figure out not only our programming slate for the rest of this year and next year right now, I'm also, which is easier to do than this other thing I'm about to talk about, I'm also trying to figure out

I've got some opportunities to do some big projects. I'm trying to figure out what I want to do and how I want to do it in the next few years. And having a better idea of who you guys are will help me make those decisions and help the rest of us here at Double Elvis as well. Plus, it's just another way to get to know you guys, and that's always fun. All right, so 617-906-6638, voicemail and text, email justgracelandpod at gmail.com. You want to do it that way. And let me know what your favorite style of music is, who your favorite musicians are,

are, what types of movies and actors and actresses you love, and generally speaking, what are you guys into? Now, I know you're into Robin Williams because we got into our Easter egg question last week, and I got so many responses from you guys. I'm going to play a voicemail response here with the answer because it came in quick. It came in fast. The question was, what did Robin Williams in our Hollywoodland episode...

The Easter egg was what did Robin Williams get from the prostitute when he turned 21? And the answer comes from the 573.

Hello to all of the good people at this great band. I was calling in reference to your Easter egg from the Robin Williams episode that just had come out on Hollywood land. I do believe that the prostitute gave Robin Williams a refund, a refund for, for his services. Yes, that is the correct answer. Thanks for everything. You guys love the show.

Yes, 573. You are correct. A refund is the answer. Robin Williams. That's what Robin Williams got from the prostitute when he turned 21. All right. So for the Easter egg this week, guys, it's the Tim Allen episode of Hollywoodland.

The question is, what football game did Tim Allen not go to? What football game did Tim Allen not go to? Head over to Hollywoodland, dive into that Tim Allen episode, find the answer, hit me at 617-906-6638, leave me a voicemail, send me a text with your answer, or be the first to post on Instagram when we pose this question. Again, the Easter egg answer is in the Tim Allen episode of Hollywoodland. What football game did Tim Allen not go to? And if you have not heard this Tim Allen episode yet,

You're going to want to. It is not, I promise you, it is not the Tim Allen that you think you know. Again, the Easter egg question, what football game did Tim Allen not go to? Which brings us nicely into our sports rant for this week. I'm a big baseball fan. You guys know this. I'm a big, big Red Sox fan. I'm more into the season this year than I've been in the past few seasons. I think it's partially because of my kids, but anyways, we'll get the MLB app. That's where we watch our games.

And I got to say, the MLB app, if you guys, anyone has it, get in touch. Let me know your experiences. But my experience is that the MLB app is a piece of steaming hot garbage. It barely works when I want it to work. It didn't work on opening day. How does that? I mean, come on. Opening day. I'm watching the game this weekend.

And I'm sitting there and the thing just, it's constantly hung up. It's constantly loading and loading and loading and loading. And I cannot get, I'm like, what the hell? I restarted my wifi. I did the, I closed the app. I logged in, I logged out. It's still loading and loading and loading and loading. Finally, I'm like, screw this. I put the game, the audio on, on the app on my phone, not as opposed to the video on the app on my television. I tune in.

And Jaron Durant steals home, steals home. And I missed it. I missed it.

I missed it. You know how often home plate is stolen? You know, I mean, we've been waiting for Jaron. I know he did it once, but it was a double steal. It doesn't count. This is a straight up guys pitching the ball to home plate and Jaron Duran takes off, beats the throw and scores. And I missed it because the fricking MLB app, man, come on, there's gotta be a better way. Honestly, I think I should just go straight audio. I think I should just, I should listen to the, the,

the radio broadcast every night and I should score the game. I should get one of those baseball scoring pads. I should sit in my chair, my old man chair, pour a glass of bourbon, and that should be it. I should just give up on the video component. We have all this new digital media and ways to deliver it. And yet, are we better off? I don't know. Anyways, that's my sports rant.

I want you guys to feel my pain. That's why I'm giving you this, okay? I'll be back in a flash. The Hollywood Man Minute.

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Okay, we are back and you know what time it is. It's time for the Hollywoodland Minute brought to you by the Hollywoodland Podcast. Don't know what the Hollywoodland Podcast is? Well, the Hollywoodland Podcast is hosted by yours truly where every week I tell you a story from the annex of Hollywood and true crime. And right now there are over 40 episodes waiting for you to binge. Episodes on Charlie Sheen, David Lynch, Robin Williams, Danny Trejo, John Waters, Steve McQueen, Marilyn Monroe, Drew Barrymore, Jane Fonda, and most recently the very talented and funny Tim Allen. Here's a clip.

Only a month earlier, Michigan state legislators had passed a new law that made possession with intent to distribute over 650 grams of cocaine or heroin punishable by a mandatory life sentence. No possibility of parole. The only other crime in the state with an equally harsh penalty was murder. It was the toughest drug law in the United States. 650 grams, just under a pound and a half.

That was the exact amount that Tim had in the Adidas gym bag that he brought to the set up with the undercover cops at the Kalamazoo County Airport. And now, sitting on a cold metal bench against the wall of a holding cell in jail, surrounded by men who were far more grisly and hardened than he could ever be in his wildest dreams, Tim worried he'd get busted again.

And this time, it would be his head, his face, and Jesus Christ, maybe even worse. He'd heard the stories about the inside. What happens when men do what they have to do simply to survive? Half of the dudes here were certifiable. Just say one wrong thing, one wrong word, and you were

All right, guys, make sure you are subscribed to Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Next week is our episode on Will Smith. You're not going to want to miss that. You can email me, disgracelandpod at gmail.com on any topic you like. This one comes from Justin Moore. Just says, hey, letter from a fan. Jake, I wanted to reach out and thank you for the wonderful podcast from Disgraceland and Hollywoodland. You have a great voice to listen to and great production value on your shows. My favorite is

is when you refer to songs or old sayings as a slice of cheese. I now try to work that lingo into my conversations for fun. Thanks for making my workday less shitty. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Justin slash JMO. JMO slash Justin, thank you so much for the email. Appreciate you. You gotta watch out for those slices of cheese.

They'll come back on you. Phil R writes in, ween. Message. Sup. Please consider doing some research on ween. I hated them bad when I discovered them on Beavis and Butthead at age 12, but after I was reintroduced to them following the Mollusk tour, I fell in love. I

I really regret skipping this concert because they broke up for a few years and now I'm the biggest fan. They make excellent music. I think Mickey's probably one of the best guitarists of all time. Aaron is no such either. They ended their tour indefinitely now and we'll probably stay that way. And I know there are some stories. I just don't know where to look. Plus this would be a great episode in your style. I love ween. I love, love, love them. And I would love to do an episode on them. I have to find some sort of crime angle, but, uh,

Too bad they couldn't just borrow some Weezer shit because I think there's a Weezer episode coming, guys. Ween Weezer. Anyhow, at some point, thanks, Phil. Disgracelandpod at gmail.com if you guys want to get in touch. You guys want to leave a review for us, we would appreciate it. You can head over to Apple Podcasts. You can head over to Spotify. You can leave a review for Disgraceland there. Helps the show with discovery each week. I read a couple of the reviews here. And then I go ahead and if you guys get in touch, I'll send you some merch.

It's that easy. Rumspringer2000 on Spotify writes, a Chester Bennington episode would be cool. We share a birthday. I played your Bourdain episode to someone to explain why I am the way I am. Rumspringer writes that in relation to our Chris Cornell episode. I understand the connection between Chris Cornell. Sorry, my dog's freaking out. And Chester Bennington. And we are doing a Chester Bennington episode, Rumspringer2000. You have nothing to fear.

Mile High Mo over on Apple Podcasts writes, five stars. Jake and the Double Elvis crew form like Voltron, and he just happens to be the head. Jake's storytelling skills are second to none. It's a dying skill, and he's running with the embers. The music is tremendous. You don't even notice it's unlicensed. It's so good. It definitely sets a vibe. And the writers, they pull out unheard stories about artists I thought I knew front to back. This podcast still amazes me after many years of listening. I got both my kids hooked on it. My son and I are Patreon members. All I can say is thank you, Team Double Elvis. Don't

Stop. Mile High Mo, great review. Thank you. We appreciate it. Thanks for spreading the disco gospel of Disgraceland. This episode is nearing its end, but the after party is going to continue for all of you, all access members. Guys, all access, it doesn't take a lot. It's five bucks a month and we really appreciate it. And what you guys get is ad-free listening. You get an extra full exclusive episode of Disgraceland every month and you get a little bit more of the after party, which we're going to deliver to you right now. Okay. Just go to disgracelandpod.com slash podcast.

All right, guys, we are back. Listen, this week, I don't know what happened, but we didn't talk that much about artists who we've covered previously in Disgraceland here in this episode. That's rare. It usually just comes up organically. So I'm going to lay on you some of my faves here that we don't mention enough, okay? And then Matt's going to have the links and the episode information in the show notes so you can check them out. We did a two-parter on Willie Nelson that I feel like

um, we don't talk about enough that's available for you. I know there's a lot of Willie Nelson fans out there. We also did a two parter on Lou Reed plus an additional full episode on the velvet underground. Those are available for you as well. Skip James, one of the most incredible blues musicians of all time. If you like blues, if you're interested in learning more about the blues, check out the skip James episode. It has one of the most painful, uh,

violent, excruciating scenes we've ever depicted in any of our episodes is in the Skip James episode. It's a real life thing that happened to him. It's something that for whatever reason does not get mentioned in the history of music. I don't understand why not, but it should. It's fucking crazy. And that is available for you in the Skip James episode. Someone brought up Guns N' Roses on the text and voicemail. We have two Guns N' Roses episodes as well. Those episodes were very hard to write. You know why? I'm going to tell you why.

It's not easy for us to depict, a little inside disgrace in here, it's not easy for us to depict or to dramatize live shows. And one of these Guns N' Roses episodes nearly drove me nuts trying to put this together. But I think we came out on the other side okay. And I think you're going to dig those episodes. Matt's going to have all those episodes available for you in the show notes. You can find them in our archive.

of a hundred and I don't know, gosh, a hundred and where are we at? 230 plus episodes at this point. It's a big archive. Get into it, especially you new listeners. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, my other podcast, Hollywoodland is alive and kicking over in the Hollywoodland feed. So make sure you're subscribed and following Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts and get ready for our upcoming Hollywoodland episode on Phil Hartman.

but only after you get caught up on our recent episode on Tim Allen. Number two, right now in your Disgraceland feed, our episode on Winona Ryder. Number three, coming tomorrow, our Rewind episode on the Notorious B.I.G. That's a two-parter. Next week, another two-parter in our new episode slot on Van Halen. So make sure you subscribe to Disgraceland. Number four, merch winners, get in touch. You know who you are. Number five,

Remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right. In honor of this week's subject, Winona Ryder, this is me reading you the billboard charts from the day Reality Bites hit theaters on February 8th, 1994. Number one, The Power of Love, Celine Dion. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 13. Number

Number two, all for love, Bryan Adams, Rod Stewart, and Sting. Last week, two. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 13.

Number six, Hero.

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