Anthony Peake - The End of Time (Pt. 2 of 2: Holographic Diffusion) - PRE-RELEASE
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All of our files are free and will remain free. If you like the show, you can show support by donating $1 to help with expenses. Just use the paypal link on our webpage. Thanks. Welcome back to part two of our exploration of time together with Anthony Peake here. It's great, great. And we left you at a cliffhanger.

I suppose, do you remember where to pick up the story? I guess so. Super, super. And because, yeah, you were talking about these excellent reactments of ancient rituals. By the way, I want to clarify, my background is in classical esotericism, where things are like semi-secret, right?

So I'm so fascinated by this mystery drama because we do these things still, like temples, but they are in buildings, etc. But not to the way you actually went hardcore old school and you reconstructed stuff people are still doing because these tools are still working. Wow. That's the thing, right? Yeah. Yeah, because these things were meant to be formation triggers, right?

The initiates were all about overcoming death. That's almost what it's all about. Training to die so that you can retain your memory and you can reincarnate ahead of the curve and ahead of yourself. Yeah.

And rituals are so misunderstood and so underused in the Western culture today. But rituals are one of the four tools. It's like akin to meditation, only meditation is individual and introvert. Well, this is interesting, you know, because do you know the organization, the Servants of the Light?

Yeah, absolutely. They are like a modern esoteric, but I have very respect for their work. Okay, because I was been invited twice to speak at their events in the past. They are good guys. They are good guys. They don't have an unbroken affiliation or lineage back in time, but they are a decent reconstruction. Much better, I would say, than Golden Dawn or O.T.O. Interesting.

Because I became a very good friend of Dolores Ashcroft-Newicki. Exactly. She was wonderful. And she's just such a lovely lady. And she turned around and she said, Tony, you're actually doing the science of what we've been teaching for years, which was a great honor. Really was. Yeah, really was. Butler was a great, Gareth Knight, they had many great initiates. But what I was getting at is that rituals, if meditation is introvert and individual,

And studying, and I don't just mean reading books, but all sorts of impressions, you know, there's many ways to study, right? Are individual outrovert. Then colloquials are outrovert collective and rituals are collective introvert.

Those are the four pillars of our spiritual formation, according to the ancients. Wow. So there's so much I could talk about about this, but I know I've given you some nuggets that already are sparking your… Totally. Oh, absolutely. I'm going to be checking this out. But back to your story. Go on.

Okay, let's start with them. Now, one of my books came out in Greek. Two of my books are now out in Greek. A Greek publisher picked them up. So I started doing research in Greece, and I found a paper from 1901 written by a Harvard archaeologist. I found where Plato's cave was. Wow. It's called the Cave of...

It'll come to me in a second. But it's about, it's in, just outside Athens. It's probably about 10 or 11 miles along the coast road. Okay, so it's the cave of Vary. Okay, in Vary on the coastline of Attica. And we're trying, we have been trying, because COVID came down and we couldn't really do it, but the plan was to get access to that cave and recreate Plato's cave in Plato's cave.

But the difference is, there's a couple of my friends who have interviewed me. One of the guys is a top film guy at the BBC and he uses drones to film. He does stuff with David Attenborough, you know, they use drones to film animals. And he has this incredible set of drones and he's filmed using drones in the past. And I said, you know what we could do here? Something extraordinary. And the plan would be,

If we could get permission, we'd have a drone on the Acropolis with a camera. This is how the program starts. And the drone takes off from the Acropolis and flies out over Piraeus and out across one of the inner islands. And it flies in and it enters the cave.

And it goes straight into the cave, straight into me standing there with purple robes, looking straight at their face going, welcome to Plato's cave. Oh, that would have been... Did you do that? No, we didn't. We were planning to. We're still planning to do it if we can get access. Don't tell me COVID ruined everything, was it? It did, sadly. And unfortunately, you know, Sam would have been there as well. But Persephone, now she's now...

She's recently got married and she's over in South Korea now. Um, so she wouldn't be involved, but there's other people we could involve in it. And we'd, we'd have the Austrians come over. I mean, the Austrians brought their light machine to, uh, um, to, uh, break, uh, uh, uh, the desert affair, um, the UFO conference last year. I got them. The American version was brought over. Hmm.

And it went down like a house on fire. Because this machine really puts you into altered states of consciousness. It's extraordinary. Right, right. Absolutely extraordinary. Very, very powerful.

I describe it in my book, but that was the plan. So the whole links here, or, you know, you see how everything just links into itself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And speaking of that, you said something about the autists that I need your comment upon, because I realized then that, and you probably have seen this, maybe, it was a British documentary about autism.

and savants. And there was this woman, I think it was, it's a long time since I'm trying to not ruin the whole explanation, but she had this mathematical thing that you talked about, this memory woman had. And she... So I wonder if it was the brother of Rowan Atkinson or something. There was some famous person involved because he's a researcher. But what happened was that she explained...

how she could solve all these mathematical puzzles. Amazing. Like this Indian child, but only this isn't telepathy. And this explanation has stayed with me because she said, I'm not actually doing mathematical operations. What I'm doing is I'm moving in a landscape, a visual landscape. Yeah. And I'm picking what I need. I'm just, it's like everybody could do it, right? If they could see this. And when I saw that, I was thinking, you know what?

I think that she is tapping into the astral field. And you said something similar in your observation earlier today because you used the term Akashic. Yes. Which I think is the same thing. So what they are actually doing is that they are moving their focus of consciousness to these etherical frequencies where they can…

tune into the root cause of what will manifest as a mathematical solution. They are using the synesthesia where they are seeing colors, shapes, whatever, right? Light, darkness. Yeah.

And somehow they are figuring it out by bypassing. Like we are down here, as the Kybalion would say, we are here where the pendulum swings. They are escaping the pendulum, going up to the root cause and coming back with the manifestation or with the answer. Comment? Yeah, well, one of the things that I have a whole section on Savant syndrome is

in opening the doors of perception. And I interviewed a number of savants and indeed chatted with a guy called Daryl Trefford, who is or was, he died recently, but he was the guy that worked with Kim Peake, the guy that Rain Man was based upon. And we were discussing about mathematical savants and they were explaining how that they see shapes, numbers of shapes,

So literally, if you multiply 17 by 24, they'd see 17 and 24 as shapes and they put the shapes together and the new shape would be another number, which would be the answer. And, you know, again, funny enough, I was I was interviewed a couple of days ago by somebody else. And she is the one that was scheduled after us, I'm supposing.

Yes, it was. It was indeed. And Alexis Brooks, an American lady. And she started while we were doing the interview, she started developing what I described to her as being a migraine aura. She wasn't aware. And then I discovered by asking her questions that she's a synesthetic. And she was explaining about how different days have different colors.

And I said, well, you were of the work of Daniel Trammett, who's an English synesthese. And for instance, his book is called Born on a Blue Day because he was born on a Tuesday and Tuesday is blue for him. But I'm fascinated by I mean, for instance, I did a lot of I've written a lot about a guy called Solomon Sharonevsky. And Sharonevsky was, again, somebody who had almost fantastic memory.

And he used to travel around Russia or the Soviet Union doing shows and memorizing lists. The problem was he could never forget all the things he'd done in the shows. So he went to Alexander Luria, who was one of the world's top psychologists. He was up there with Vygotsky and Pavlov. And Luria, this guy wanted him to get all this stuff out of his head.

So Luria couldn't, but he worked with him and he wrote an amazing book called The Mind of a Memnonist, Mind of a Memory Person, like Memnison. Again, you know, the term he used earlier about memory. And this guy, the things he could do were just extraordinary. But, and this is interesting, if you read his book and his descriptions, he was two people.

He wasn't one. He was two. And I'd argue that with a lot of these individuals, they split into the daemon and their edelon and they are actually a dyad. And when they're a dyad, it means that the edelon, the everyday consciousness can acquire the broader conscious level of the daemon.

In which case they can access what we have passingly called the Akashic field. And of course, the Akashic field, as far as Irving Laszlo is concerned, is the information field, the bedrock of the universe. And this will be called a monad in another terminology, what you call a daimon.

Yes, it would be. Exactly. Yes, it would. A monad of... Who was the philosopher that had monads? Well, I mean, it wasn't Kant, but it was someone living at his time. Yeah. I forget now. So do I, yes. But it has developed on its own, like the Theosophists use it, so it's not important. But Darren Brown explained that one of his techniques was to, for memorization, because he impresses with that, was exactly to...

He visualizes, like he makes a room and he puts it in a shelf and it's an association game. I think he doesn't know it, but he's using synesthesia because I recognize the synesthesia thing from LSD trips. When I did LSD trips, always I got synesthesia. Really? I don't know why, but maybe you know why, but somehow that triggers that.

Yeah, I would argue that what's happening when you're taking entheogens, you're effectively accessing, again, the conscious of the daemon. Now, just to extrapolate on this, the final chapter of my last book, I went from the hypothesis of the dyad, the daemon-adalon dyad,

to a broader model, which works for me. I can never prove this scientifically. What I argue is there is the everyday self, which lives one life, which is called the Eidolon, which lives and dies. It's your kind of online, it's your in-game avatar. But that just dies. But the daemon is the game player who lives your life many times and lives many lives. But the daemon only ever lives your life.

It doesn't live other people's. However, I argue that then above the daemon is something I call the uberdaemon. And the uberdaemon is my equivalent of the Jungian collective unconscious. The world soul? The world soul, yes. Yes, the Weltgeist. So the idea is that that...

So you can access the daemon, which will give you precognition and will give you access to information fields. Remembering your incarnations, et cetera. Correct. But then if you can access then the uber daemon,

Then you can tap into anyone. You can tap into anything. You can tap into. And this is, I believe, what happens when people do hypnotic regression to past lives. Yeah, because everybody can't be Cleopatra and Napoleon. Correct. They can't. So what I argue is what happens is in a hypnotic state, because we know people are very malleable and they want to reach expectations when they're in hypnotic state, you bypass the daemon and you go immediately into the uber daemon.

And then literally you'll have an embarrassment of riches. You can attune into anything. So you end up attuning into what you really want to attune into, which is being an ancient Egyptian or a Red Indian prince or something. And this is why people bring this information back. So when people say you're cheating, the ferryman thing is contradicted by past lives. It's not. No, it's supported by.

And then I argue then there's another level then, because I've contributed a chapter to a book on pandeism written by a guy called Knutji Mapson. And he's asked me now to write a new chapter for a new book he's writing on new anthology. And what I'm arguing is, is that at the next level, we have what I call the Godemon chapter.

And the Godemon is the equivalent of the Kabbalistic Orang Sof. It's the equivalent of Brahman. It's the backdrop of everything. It's the consciousness field. That's what the priest requests we call the noose. Yes, the noose. Yes. Spot on. I hadn't realized that. Thank you. But it is, isn't it? So this is where I get very excited in that the ideas I'm coming forward here

are ancient. These are the things people have known. Yeah, but you have this incredible ability to put it into a way that people today can understand and process. Thank you. That's quite amazing, man. That's one of the reasons I think you're, I mean, that's your real forte, that among some others too, but that's a talent in itself, but go on. Yeah, so what we have then is this information field.

And it literally is information. It's information. But it's information in the way that people like David Bohm would argue it. David Bohm, the Anglo-American quantum physicist. It's information.

And information is in formation. And the Kabbalists say that the universe wasn't created. It is in creation. It's in formation as we speak. That's why you're a co-creator. I like that. I like that. So the idea is, so for instance, David Bohm, because David Bohm worked with Einstein. He was a friend of Einstein's.

And Bohm argues that reality is holographic in nature. Yeah. And it's reflective. The whole creates, contains the parts and vice versa. Yeah. And Ken Wilber's pitch too is that we're not in a hierarchy, we're in a holarchy. Yeah. Important distinction. Yeah. Subtle but important difference. So, yeah.

Well, it's the idea, isn't it, you know, that if you take you smash a hologram apart, holographic image, you just have a denuded each each shot will have a denuded version of the whole picture. It's not like a jigsaw puzzle or like a normal painting. So in other words, you know, when William Blake, of course, great Gnostic Gnostic thinkers had argued this, you know, to see heaven in a wildflower, to hold the world in the palm of your hand.

This is exactly what Gnostics have long believed, that it's kind of it's almost a reversal. Now, what Bohm argued, and he was arguing there against something called the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. But his argument is, is that everything is enfolded within itself. And there's something called the implicate order and the explicate orders. And the implicate order is the underlying reality.

And we, the universe we exist within, our perceptual universe is an implication of that. You know, it's explicate. So in which case we are perceiving something that's deep rooted, but it's an information field. And in one of my books, I quote, there's a fascinating book by Max Tegmark, Professor Max Tegmark called Our Mathematical Universe. And in this, Tegmark does the maths of how everything is data.

Everything is information. This is why the vast, you know, as I've said many times, the atom is 99.999999999999996 empty space. Six actually. And what is not empty space are electrons and quarks. And electrons are point particles. So they have no extension in space. Oh, no, they might. No, electrons. No, but electrons are point particles.

I mean, with electrons, you also include, I mean, they can be positively or negatively charged or neutral. So electrons... Well, electrons always are negative by definition. Yeah, so they are all... But you also have positrons and neutrons. You have the proton and the neutron. Yeah, so you have the proton and the neutron. But of course, the proton and the neutron...

are actually made up of quarks. Right. So, whereas an electron is a unique particle in itself, it's not made of anything. Okay. Whereas the proton...

And the neutron are actually made of quarks, like two up quarks and one down quark makes a proton. Yeah, but you know, I realize that's a dogma. But in my book, any subatomic particle is actually not. I think materialism stops with the atom. It's like it's frozen waves, right?

Totally. So I don't buy into the quark thing. Yes, you can distinguish parts of the wave, but it's all just the ocean. But anyway, go on. Totally. I completely agree with you. All I'm mentioning at the moment is the standard model that we have at the moment. Then we have photons.

the the the bosons the carriers of the the electromagnetic signal and photons are weird photons are the things that you know we were discussing about hitting the retina and everything else and the photons are the things that bounce off so when we see red

The photons are carrying the signal of the red from the red coat into our retina, into our aqueous humor, then into the visual cortex. But isn't photon the only particle that isn't dual?

Well, no, what is more interesting about photons, yes, there isn't an antiphoton as far as we're aware. But what is more interesting is that photons can only ever travel at the speed of light, only ever travel at the speed of light. Yeah, because they define it, don't they? They do. And they have no mass. So from the viewpoint of a photon, everything is happening now.

There is no time. So coming back again to our time thing, because we know at the speed of light, time stops. Yeah, but you know what? Schellreich argues speed of light isn't even constant, which makes the time perception even crazier. Yes. Yes, it does. Because, of course, what's happening is time and space. There's more time and less space. And you need infinite time.

speed to get not speed but infinite mass in order to get the speed of light this I understand right but this brings me to one point I wanted to touch with you and that's the fact that they say it's the fourth dimension right you have the three dimensions of space and if space and time like Einstein argued are not just connected but just aspects of itself then I would venture that the sequence of space is

becomes what we call time. And this dovetails with what we talk about because they say there's a reality exists of two different spirals or lines, but they are moving in spiral. And when they intersect, actually one is fire, water, which is creating time. One is earth, air, creating space.

And we live in the intersection of those two. That's why everything is a fourfold. Oh, this is interesting. And again, to invoke the master from Samos, he said, he said, geometry is numbers in space. Music, I would argue sound actually, is numbers in time.

Wow. Pythagoras was amazing, wasn't he? He was extraordinary, I have to say. Was the cave on Samos? Yeah. The Pythagoras cave? Interesting. But there's two. There's one they give to the tourists and then there's a real one. Ah, interesting. So would you agree that there are four dimensions to manifestation and that time then is the fourth one? I would, but only in the sense of, again,

How I visualize the universe and the way time works. But I'd argue that there's also the fifth dimension as well. The UAP kind of backdoor. Yeah. Like I use the analogy here. I love making movie analogies and interstellar was, was such a great movie for that. Do you remember in interstellar thing called the Tesseract sequence?

Vaguely, yeah. Okay, it's where the main character has been communicating with his own daughter in the past by moving books in a bookcase. Right, right, right. And trying to send messages to her in the past. Yeah, the same topic was done in a Sandra Bullock movie, some romantic thing where she did something in a mailbox, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, the something house, the lake house. Yeah, yeah. Yes.

And it's the idea that if you were outside of space and time, what would you see? And the argument is it's a tesseract. Now, how a tesseract works is you have a point in space and you send it off at a right angle and you get a line. If you then send that line right angles again, you get a square. So that's two dimensions. Then if you then expand out from the corners into another space, you get a cube.

So then you're into three dimensions. With a tesseract, you then expand out from all the corners of the cube and you get what's called a hypercube or a tesseract. Now we are closing into platonic solids. Exactly. And the idea is that the central character whose name escapes me, he goes by his surname, I can't remember his name now, the Matthew McConaughey character. He is in that space and he's looking into the life of his daughter and

from a position from the fifth dimension looking into the four dimensions, three dimensions of space and one of time. And it's extraordinarily well done because you see her moving in different directions at the same time. Because, of course, time is different from that point of view. It's like Philip K. Dick called it orthogonal time. It's a time that's at right angles to this time. And if you move in orthogonal time,

it means that you can see the future and the past at the same time, happening at the same time. And it's quite intriguing. It's quite mind-blowing when you start looking at the geometry of this, don't you? That's one of the potential by-effects of the circumstantial technique I mentioned earlier. Because if you every day, look, every day you wake up, you expect a sequence, right? The chronology of time. Now, if you train yourself every goddamn night to do the opposite...

What you're actually doing is that you're creating, you're triangulating because when you wake up, you have the anticipation of the forward chronology. When you go to bed, you have the inverse happening. Now, every day you program your mind like that.

Suddenly, during the day, because what I didn't say, there's something about this technique about taking the essential things and blah, blah, blah. So suddenly, during the day, you will have a very weird moment. You could say deja vu, but it can be stronger than that, where those two timelines meet. Yeah. And

Suddenly, your outside kind of time and space is indescribable. It's like illumination or like a DMT thing. It can't be expressed in words because words are super limited, right? Well, this now leads into something called the transactional analysis of quantum mechanics, which was put forward by a guy called John Kramer. And this is intriguing. And I've taken, I've expanded on this for what Kramer's arguing.

But Kramer is arguing that there are two types of waves in reality. There are advanced waves and retarded waves. And advanced waves move. I never get this right, but just for argument's sake, it might be the other way around. But advanced waves move time like we do from, you know, it's sort of moving forward in time. But there are other waves that.

that are moving backwards in time. Because of course, in quantum mechanics, it doesn't matter. Time flow does not matter. Time can flow in either direction. And he argues that the waves going backwards in time and the waves going forwards in time, at the point they interact, is the present moment. And it moves as we move. But there must be an abundance of forward moving then.

Yes. From our point of view, we're in a forward-moving world. Because those waves are stronger or there's more of them. Yes. But there can be conditions where the opposite happens if you can, for example, time travel, you're manipulating those waves, aren't you? Yes. Right. And of course, the thing is, and I've extrapolated from this, I've said, well, imagine...

What happens when two waves meet? You get an interference pattern. Yeah, that's the word I was looking for. I said triangulation, interference, but attention field. Yeah. And so that means the interference pattern. And of course, what what is when you use interference patterns, what do you get? You get a hologram.

Right. So I'd argue that this reality we perceive is a holographic nature and it's an interaction of transverse waves, advanced and retarded waves coming together to create a holographic reality. Of course. Okay. It's obvious now that you say it. And again, I think I'm the only person on the bloody planet who's made that link. I'm the only person as far as I'm concerned. Well, you and 90,000 more people now. Hopefully.

Hopefully, hopefully. I mean, how it works, I'm not, you know, it's difficult to expand on how it works, but it seems to make sense. Yeah, absolutely. It means that we, and this again, then links back to the Copenhagen interpretation of the collapse of the wave function.

that subatomic particles, until they are observed or measured, don't exist. They exist as a statistical wave function. So imagine that the waves we're talking about, retardant and advanced waves, are actually quantum wave functions. And the quantum wave functions, when they meet, are collapsed by the act of observation of a sentient being. But of course,

The sentient being doesn't have to be a human consciousness. A sentient being could be the Uber Damon or could be the Godemon, because there's always the argument of who hears a tree if it falls in a forest and there's nobody to hear it. And there's a very famous poem by a guy called Roland Knox, who was a Catholic theologian.

And it's really good. It's written like a little memo, a little question. And I can't remember it fully, but it goes along the lines of, I don't know who is it if a tree falls in the quad. I don't know. Dear God, if a tree falls in the quad and nobody's there to hear it.

How do we know it's there or we hear the sound? And the response is, dear somebody, the tree will continue to be because it's watched all the time by yours sincerely, God. Yeah, because someone has to watch it, right? So the consciousness that's collapsing the ultimate wave function is God. So there's then embedded realities. So there's the Go-Demon universe,

which is collapsed by that consciousness. Then we have the Uber daemon's universe, which is collapsed by the Uber daemon, which is the collective unconscious of everybody. Then we have the demonic universe,

Did you say demonic? Yeah, as in demonic, as in the demon. Not as in daemon, but as in evil spirits? No, as in daemon. As in daemon, yeah. So it's daemonic. Yeah, yeah. So there's daemonic reality. Then there is the edelonic reality, which is the individuated consciousness-generated collapse of the wave function of each of us. And each of us are existing within this...

Collapse wave function, but at the moment you and I are creating an egg what I call an egg Gregorio reality In the sense we are now interfacing our consciousnesses are in resonation So our universe is solid and it's shared and that's what happens when you get in groups You collapse the wave function collectively. Yeah in anticipation and this is why things like the Philip experiment happened and

You know, whereby we can collectively create entities by our expectations of them. But we're crawling them in from the demonic realm. Wait a minute. Did you say the Philadelphia experiment? No, no. The actual Philip experiment. Oh, I'm not familiar with that. Okay. This is fascinating. It took place. It's also known as the Toronto experiment.

And it took place, I think, in 1970, 69, 70, maybe later, I'm not sure. But there were a group of academics and the wives and partners of a group of academics at the University of Toronto. And they were playing around with Ouija boards.

And one of them said, as a psychologist, he said, obviously, one of us is pushing this, but we don't know how. We're doing it unconsciously to get the answer. Oh, is it the one where they created an egregore? Correct. Oh, you told us last time. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. So what they did was they went out and they created a fictional character called Philip Aylsford. That's right. Yeah.

And he then started manifesting. So they tapped into which level then? I'd say they tapped into the demonic level.

Okay, because you know, in classical esoterica, and you see remnants in religion too, there should be seven levels between us and the ultimate cause, the Parabrahman. Now, of course, like a teacher of mine said once, it doesn't matter how many bits you divide the cake into, it's still the same cake. So if you operate with four, that's fine. But seven, remember the holographic principle? Vibrations are based upon seven, even quantum computing. And that's because...

It's a reflection of that very fact. So I would encourage you to try to locate the three missing levels because as I counted now, you operated with four. That's interesting. Yeah. Have you heard about David Cerrito? The name rings a bell. I was thinking of Cerrito. He did a – I think of the artist. So no. Go on. Tell me more. Yeah, that's right. That's his namesake.

David Sirita was a big shot. Yeah, he did a really weird thing called Piss Christ. Yeah, yeah. As I remember, which was a crucifix inside his own urine, wasn't it? Yeah, with this Sirita is even weirder. You should actually have him on your show. You have a podcast. He was the first guy who made me realize UAPs are real. I was watching his documentary called Evidence, the Case for NASA UFOs, presented by...

The Blues Brother guy, what's his name? John Belushi? No, the other one. The one still alive. Dan Aykroyd? Yeah, Dan Aykroyd has collaborated with him many times and other famous people too. Anyway, he cracked the code for how UAPs function, iVenture. Wow, really? Yes, and he operates with, he has his own terminology, but he talks about chronons. He talks about real time, which is kind of...

Kind of what we've been talking about too in some segments today. And then he talks about perceived time, which is what people think of as time. And of course, I realized when you talked about, that was a clue to me, like a bacteria. For a bacteria, we would be apoptotic.

We would be mountains, wouldn't we? We would stand super still. And then there's the space between. And in my own rendition of his theory is how I would explain it, that he shows how you can… Because he uses the holographic principle. He's created something called the cosmic clock. You should interview him about this. This is what the UAPs use. And he has evidence for it in terms of filming these…

NASA UFOs, which are huge, they're football stadium sizes in the upper atmosphere between here and the moon. And they have been by NASA TV before they had the sense to put in filters. They were transmitting them from the UV light.

And they are absolutely huge. They look like Pac-Man's. And he describes, explains everything. Why they look like that, what the principle is. These are just my assertions. You have to see it yourself to understand. I know you would take a lot out of what he presents because it dovetails. I think I've seen... I'm visualizing the book cover. Yeah. So I have seen it. It's a Pac-Man thing. So he has this cosmic look and he shows you how you can travel between these still frames. Yeah.

Because everything is connected, it's holographic, right? So when you enter the right time, let's say seven o'clock on the cosmic clock, you will come out. And the same for space. He says there's these tension fields in time and space that works as bridges, like hyperspace kind of entrance. Right. So as I'm understanding it then, so we're arguing that time itself is quantized. So therefore there are unique bits

bits and between the bits is no time that's time so if you can get between the quantized bits you can effectively like a wormhole and you need that map called the cosmic clock but you need his take not my very poor rendition of it okay you should totally invite him to your but I can send you some links for his stuff so you can vet him before you invite him please where is he based do you know Canada

Right, okay. He used to head the Tesla Institute. He worked for one of the very famous American nuclear physicists. He argued in Congress about why we should use not cold fusion, but some kind of

clean energy, blah, blah, blah. He has tons of merits and he was big in the UFO field. But of course, now that it's become UAPs, all the old gurus are out of the door and there's new people coming on the scene, spin doctors for the most, I would say, because of agendas. But that's another matter. That's what I noticed, you know, as somebody turned around to me and said at Contact in the Desert, he said, you know, be careful who you speak to. Yeah.

Because some people here are here for other reasons other than this, which I thought, are they paranoid or is there more to it? I mean, it's such a huge story that the powers that be have to try to control it, right? To control the narrative. Because the genie is out of the bottle. There's no putting it back. Well, I was told, I was told there was one guy that I met there who was an ex-

diplomat. And there was another guy that was in the group who was the ex-press secretary of President Clinton. So there were quite high-powered people there. And the diplomat was telling me, and he said, it's just a question of when they release the news. Because what they don't want is a repeat of what happened with the Orson Welles-Mars attacks thing. And they feel that that's what would happen. Because people would go into panic if it was just announced. So what they're doing is they're drip-feeding it. Mm-hmm.

Slowly but surely, disclosure is coming. And my God, the world certainly needs it at the moment with the way the world is going the last few weeks. We definitely need something to stop us destroying ourselves. But the fact remains that these UAPs aren't just space travelers then. They're also time travelers. Yes. And if space and time are just aspects of the same thing, that would be expected. Yeah. Not at all surprising. And that would...

Go on. And I was going to say that would show why they can do the incredible maneuvers they do. Yeah. Because they're not traveling in space in the way we travel in space. They're also traveling in time, which means they can warp time. Exactly. Sarita explained it as they are...

They're actually placed in that other sphere and they just... Now I show myself here. Now I show myself there. Yeah. In and out. Yes. But there's one bleak conclusion to... I'm going full circle now, like time actually is. Although I would argue time is more like a spiral than a circle. But doing that then...

we started to talk about how time increases, right? And it's so bleak if you're losing six hours every day because I can now understand if that is true.

How there could be geniuses like a da Vinci, like a Bacon, like a Pythagoras. Because they had two advantages we don't have. Number one, they had more of time, even though it's still 24 hours. There was more in those 24 hours. So that's a given. But they also had no distractions. We are bombarded. Yeah. Right? So just imagine having all the time in the world...

And having no distraction, obviously you become a genius. And also the third element I haven't mentioned, but which I believe is real, is that in certain periods of time on Earth, people lived much, much longer, like all the ancient myths agreed. So let's say you had 300 years to your disposal, biblical ages, and you had no distractions, and you had more out of every day. So you had more than 300 years. Obviously,

obviously you became a genius. And the negative thing here is this is bound to mean that...

In contrast to what we've been trying to believe, that everything is like an evolution and we're becoming more and more brilliant, we're actually becoming dumber and dumber. Yes. Things are dumbing down. Yeah. Comment? Oh, totally. I mean, the evidence of this is everywhere. You just need to go online to see how the world is getting dumber and dumber. And it's worrying. But yes, that's inevitable. It's always the idea, isn't it? Every society...

Because as a background, I'm a historian and a sociologist, you know, by degrees and things. And it always intrigues me, you know, there's assumption made that because we are now, we are at the pinnacle of our science and we're at the pinnacle of everything. And of course,

We've got no idea about that. You know, there are whole periods of human history where all kinds of things could have taken place and we've no idea. Yeah, if we started from scratch today, I don't think we would go far beyond the Stone Age. No. And the thing is as well, you know, I always wonder this, that there might be information available from earlier civilizations that we literally don't know about. And I think, you know, for instance, you gave a CD-ROM,

to a Victorian scientist. All the information that's on there, but he'd have no way of getting it off that. He wouldn't, can't even conceptualize how it could be. Some argue that's what the pyramids are. Yeah. And who's to say? You know, I... And the Becletepe, it's codified in stone because stone was lost through all the Yugos, even...

And I believe if we live in the Kali Yuga now, the last era, then we can take some consolence in the fact that all the ancient Mayas, Greeks, Indians, everybody agreed that, yes, it's decaying, it's entropy, but somehow it resets and it becomes a new golden age. That have to mean that somehow the universe gets a new boost of these chronons or whatever it's called, if it's that physical. Yeah.

Because that's a very interesting point, isn't it? You know, that the one thing that seems to run counter to entropy is evolution. It doesn't make sense to me that everything, the whole universe is going in one direction, which is from organization to chaos, the heat death of the universe. And yet evolutionary wise, we're supposedly getting more efficient and

Through natural selection and everything else as well. Yeah. Which is almost a contradiction as if we're somehow an imposition. We're going in the wrong direction for where the universe is going. Because we as consciousness creatures, we have another imperative than matter. Yes. To get back to the light. Yes. Yes.

I think that's it. We do, you know, you feel, you know, I've used the analogy many times in my books when I say life itself, all that you really know if you're a materialist reductionist is that something perceives something for an infinitesimal small amount of time and disappeared. And that's not just you, but it's humanity, that something became a society or a species became sentient and

to just disappear because as somebody said and i saw this recently and it really astonished me that the universe in terms of its organization of the stars and everything else we've got for a trillion times of time it will be dead it'll wind down and entropy and everything will stop and it'll be a dead universe but that dead universe will continue

for trillions and trillions of years with nothing in it whatsoever. You know, so even our human achievements mean nothing. But in the overall lifespan of the universe, even an active live universe with stars and things will also disappear. It's only a second. And then there's nothing. Yeah, but I see your assertion about that. And I raise you with the following fact, because the ancients said,

And we can use the Indian metaphor. They talked about Brahma's days and nights. And the article I read to you said that eventually everything will have expanded so much that it's dissolving and time collapses. That's the end of time. But there has to be a reset. Because according to the Brahma's days and nights concept, and this is, of course, lore from the much more brilliant time,

ancestors we had in the golden age so they probably knew what they were ranting about at some point the universe starts contracting is that the word gathering together yes and time then must go in inverse or something and then a new big bang if you should use that metaphor and

Again, we are filled with these chronons. I take some consolence in that because it means it's not over. Yes. And it means effectively, I mean, going back to the writings of Philip K. Dick, you know, he had a book called Counter Clock World where time was running backwards. But if time was running backwards, you know, it would just be the way of things.

We'd just be used to it in some way, which means we have a cyclical universe, which means we have, you know, it's going back. I mean, it worked for Benjamin Button. It did indeed. It did indeed for Benjamin Button. Spot on. And, you know, there's an awful lot of truths in movies, you know, that the movies are a representation of the Weltgeist and how things work or don't work, you know, because it makes sense.

no sense for sentience to just be and then not be um yeah but that's no i would say i would say manifest and then not manifest yes that's an even better term yes manifest just gives a better idea um and these are huge questions but people like you and i and the people that i get myself involved in these are the questions we ask all the time yeah

You know, but the vast majority of human beings never even consider them. It doesn't even register with them. Yeah, but I wonder how much is due to the fact that, look, if everybody, if we lived in abundance and everybody had a perfect education, like Steiner schools and no hunger, and you didn't have to run around like a headless chicken just to make it.

I think because today we have organized society in a way that utilizes the least of our potential. Yes. Despite the level we're at. If we lived in a society that utilizes the most of our potential,

I don't think that would be true. I think there will always be about 10% idiots because it seems to me that in any given field we discuss, any given field, there's always 10%. But they're not always the same. Like Plato said, everybody is a genius just on different matters. Everybody's an idiot just on different matters, right? Totally, completely and utterly agree with you on that.

You know, there are things that I am completely and utterly hopeless at. And I don't know anybody that's good at everything. No. Because I don't, because they don't exist. Well, what about this woman? I mean, wouldn't she be a genius, this woman you mentioned, one of eight? She must be a genius.

Who's that? The one who remembers absolutely everything. Oh, totally. Yes. I don't know how creative she is because that goes into intelligence too. But in terms of that other part of intelligence, these eight people need to be utter geniuses. Yes. Whereas, I mean, she knows things, but knowledge is not necessarily wisdom. No, that's true. And wisdom has been able to put the knowledge together together.

to use it in an effective way. You know, I find that because of the way my brain works, which is quite strange in itself, but I can pull together information from stuff I read 20 years ago.

You have an overabundance of, I think, analogical connections. You connect different data bits just like that. And I believe I know why, because I didn't have the die-off of neurons, even though I said neurons are useless. But I was born prematurely. I was Caesared. So there's a massive die-off of neurons or brain cells just before birth.

birth of the child. And this happens about three or four weeks before the child is born. But because I was torn out of my mother's womb five weeks before... Brutal entrance. Yeah, I didn't necessarily have that die-off. Which means... It's the first advantage I've heard about that kind of entrance to the world. That's great. Well, it...

It also makes it quite strange because I've debated this as to why I'm so curious, because what happened was because my mother was dying of toxemia, I was put in an incubator and I had no human contact for the first six or eight weeks of my life. Right. I wasn't touched by another human being. So whereas most babies are born are immediately put into their mother's arms.

And they have the warmth of their mother's body. I was in a bloody incubator with a broken arm because the surgeon broke my arm when I was born, pulled me out and broke my arm. Traumatic entrance in so many ways. And I was, what, three pound nine, three pound ten, something like that. Yeah, you know, Buddha said that it's basically the principle, what doesn't break you makes you stronger. To paraphrase him, that suffering is gasoline for the soul.

Now, most people would think, oh, PTSD and you ruined your life. But if you can overcome that resistance you had so early, it should be like a super booster because we know that the seven first seconds of your life is when you learn the most. Then the seven first minutes, then the first seven first days and so on and so on. And so those seven seconds.

Must have been like a trampoline. Is that what you call it in English? Yes. You jump on it. Yeah. That must have been that for you. Yes. Of course, everything subconsciously, but nevertheless. I mean, I guess so. I mean, people who actually know me as friends, people who've known me for years know that I'm somewhat unusual in that I believe I'm probably autistic.

to a degree. On the spectrum, yeah, yeah. On the spectrum. But effectively, I'm also very good with people because, you know, I worked for years as an employee relations manager, human resources, and subsequently as a consultant. Yeah. So I get on very well with people.

which is curious. And people know end of fascination to me. Now, if you can retain the social skills, then I would say autism can be an advantage to normies. Yes.

Let's wrap up. Okay. I have some things. First of all, I think it was Liebnisch, the Monad guy. Yes, it was Liebnisch. Well done. Well done. Now, you said music. I don't know if you touched that because we did touch the other pre-points that you asked me to remind you of. But music, I don't think we... It depends whether I discussed this last time because it's one of my favorite interview stories about the proof of cheating the ferryman for me.

You have to go on. It's not ringing a bell. Okay, okay. I'm a great music fan. So I have thousands and thousands of albums and CDs and everything else. And I suppose you have a bunch of long plays or is it CDs? Oh, yeah. No, I've got everything. I've got my old LPs. I've got probably 400 or 500, 600. But on my new – I've just actually purchased –

a new super duper E player. And I've got now around about 25,000 WAVs and MP3s. And I'm converting my MP3s into WAVs from the CDs. So my music goes right back to the mid 60s to the present time. Yeah, you know, there's no time to hear all that stuff. You know that, right? I know. I know. I calculated how much time it would be just to play them one by one.

And again, if we didn't discuss it again, there's a song and a link to a song which proves my cheating the ferryman hypothesis, which if we didn't discuss last time is also extraordinary. OK, let me I think we you mentioned that book frequently. OK, it was to do with a song called Round of Blues by Sean Colvin.

I'm still not ringing a bell. Okay, well, I'll start telling the story and you can stop me if you feel that I talked about it last time. But my hypothesis, as you know, is that we are living our lives again. And as our Damon remembers that we've lived this life before. And it's like a computer, third person computer game of your life.

Now, the proof for me was this series of events that took place over a period of years in the late 90s and early noughties. Oh, sorry, earlier, actually, sort of late 80s. So what happened was in around Christmas, running up to Christmas, I think 1991, something like that, 1990, 91. I'm out shopping. And as I mentioned to you, I love my music. I've got a massive collection of music. And

I was in a music shop and I was after I was about to buy an album by an American singer songwriter called Mary Chapin Carpenter, an album called Come On, Come On.

I went into the shop and the record assistant said, oh, if you're willing to pay another 99 pence or whatever, there's a CD here which has got tracks from the albums that this record label is going to be bringing out in the next few months. Would you like it? And I said, yeah, of course. So I bought it. And I got home that evening. I was with my ex-wife at the time, Jenny. And

And we went back home. We were living in a place called Colchester in the UK. Went home and it was a Saturday evening and Jenny liked cooking on her own. And I thought, well, I'll leave her in the kitchen so she can cook. And I decided to go into the living room and put the CD on, the sampler CD. And I put the sampler CD on and I get to the third or fourth track. And it was like I'd been hit by a train. I knew the song. I knew the song so well.

And I found myself calling Jenny into the living room and I said, Jenny, can we go into our solicitors next Saturday? I want to change my will. And she said, what do you want to change? And I said, I won't put in my will the song I won't played at my funeral. And it's this one.

And she said, what? You know, you're mad. Why? And I said, I don't know. It just it's it's it's my death song. It's a song that I associate with my funeral. Can we do it? So she said, yeah, of course we can. So I went in and I had it put in my will. I would do this now roll forward. Sadly, Jenny and I, through my fault, nobody else is through my fault, split up and I end up with my present wife. Hmm.

my wife, not my present wife. I hate using that term. So it implies that, you know, she's on her way out. She's not. You know, there's always an eternal present. So, yeah. Yeah. So, and of course, being me, I just go for girls with the same name that look alike. So I left Jenny to end up with Penny. And as I say, they even look alike, which is quite weird. So, yeah,

So anyway, end up with Penny. And the first thing I said when we got together was just to be aware that this is my death song. And I played it to her.

And Penny's even more dismissive than Jenny of my weird ideas. She came with this crazed look and said, what the hell? And I said, it's my record, you know, because Penny's a lot younger than me. So I said, it's highly likely I will die before you are, you know. So just be aware of this. So we get it put in the will. But I didn't know why I wanted to do that. Now, the song is called Round of Blues.

by an American singer-songwriter called Sean Colvin. It's very upbeat. It's really fun. You can check it on YouTube. It's on YouTube. The video's on YouTube. It's a great... An upbeat song for your funeral. Okay. Interesting. So it's really good. And also, because it's got this very jaunty beat, I was thinking, if I had Paul Burrers, how would they walk to this music without the coffin falling off their shoulders? And I just had this vision. Yeah.

Yeah, but imagine if I insisted on using the song You Can Call Me Al and the dance. Call Me Al. That's a song, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. You know, I usually say that to people, but they don't get the reference. Yeah, Paul Simon. Yes. That incredible video with Chevy Chase. Yes.

You can call me for my funeral. Yeah, absolutely. It's very careful what you predict your funeral song. So anyway, I think nothing of it. Then I acquire something called an Arcos MP3 player. And this had a drive of around about, I don't know, 80 gigabytes, something like that. So I copied all my CD music.

onto MP3s. And I had around about 16,000 tracks on this. Now, at that time, I was an area human resources manager for Nuffield Hospitals, which are a group of private hospitals in the north of England. And my job was literally to troubleshoot. So if there was a problem or an issue, I'd go in, I'd get parachuted into a hospital and sort out the problem. Yeah.

I was there for if people needed to be dismissed or people who needed to be recruited or people who needed to be developed or helped or whatever. That was my role. So I was driving around the north of England all the time doing great amounts of mileage in this lovely Mazda RX-8 Wankel rotary engine sports car. Real beautiful car.

All the time I was traveling, I would have the Arcos MP3 player playing through the speakers on random play. So there was only ever a chance of 16,000 to one that any one track would come up. Right. Round of Blues had never, ever come up. Okay. So it's late November, early December evening. I'm driving along the M62, which is the highest motorway in England.

And it goes over the mountain ridge of the Pennine Mountains and it comes in from Yorkshire over to Lancashire. And I'm driving towards our Chester Hospital to position for an issue I have to deal with the next day. I'm driving along. I'm in the middle lane and suddenly Round of Blues comes on.

And I go, what? And I found my left arm grabbing the steering wheel and turning into the inner lane. I knew it. Yeah. As it did so, there was a lorry in front that had a load of crash barriers on it. The crash barriers came bouncing off and hit the road and were bouncing all over the road. I screeched to a halt.

It would have hit me. They would have killed me. It would have hit my car. It had gone through my windscreen. I'd have gone off the road. I'd have been killed. I'm sitting there and I watch the guys get out of the van and they're putting the crash things back on the thing so that nobody sees them and they drive off. And I'm sitting there shaking. And then I listened to the lyrics of the song. I'd never really listened to the lyrics on a lost highway. Yeah.

Trying for a looking for a better view. I see the lights of Fat City. I'm looking down at Manchester. I see the lights of Fat City. I'm going round again. It's another round of blues. And my head is exploding and I'm going, Jesus, that's my death song. Yeah, it was the last thing I heard when I died last time.

That's why I associated it. I remembered the song because I died that time. That's why I associated it with my death. Not because I wanted it as my funeral song. No. It's because it's the last thing I heard before I died. Yeah.

Yeah, you can be forgiven to make that connection, of course. And I'm sitting there going, this is just extraordinary. And the interesting thing is I've posted that a couple of times on various sites. And Sean Colvin, I think he's now aware of it because she's liked a couple of my postings recently. But do you ever remember the American singer and songwriter Suzanne Vega? Yeah. Okay, Suzanne Vega picked up on it.

And she shared it on Twitter and said, this is fascinating. Yeah. And Sean Colvin and Suzanne Vega are friends of each other. So that's... It's an extreme synchronicity. Totally. Unbelievable. Or maybe it's more than that, actually. It's also a memory. Well, yes. No, because you had no control over which song came on, right? So... No. No.

And at that time, I'd started researching the book, but I was right at the early stages of it. You know, we're talking about 2003, maybe 2004, 2003, 2004. So that is the story of how for me.

I believe that my daemon remembered. And of course, it was my left hand, because I argue the daemon is located in the non-dominant hemisphere of the brain. Right. Opposite for me, then. I'm left-handed. Ah, right. So it will be opposite. So it will be interesting to see where your demonic consciousness is. Well, I can share my strongest synchro. Okay, go on. One of them. Since we're onto a story, I'll show you my war wounds around the fire. So now...

This is so extreme. I was a young guy. I think I was 18. I started my esoteric... I started very early with this. I was very early. So I had applied for membership in what's called the Rosicrucian Order. Yeah. And some years earlier, I'd been like a squatter, like a counterculture rebel.

And so there were some court cases that were lingering on from when the police were throwing people out of the... We were occupying a house to make a youth center, blah, blah, blah. This was what people did before the computer age. It started with the hippies, right? So these are the two elements you need to know leading up to the story. So this day, I'm walking to my mailbox and I have two letters in the mail.

For you youngsters out there, that's how we used to get information in the old days. It's where the way email came from. So I took the letters in and the first one was from the police or the courts. It was like the court were referencing the court case. And it was like

The number of the court case is one letter and four numbers, right? Then I open the other letter and it's my membership card in the Rosicrucian Order. And the membership number is the same. Oh, really? Yeah. No, I get these two at the same moment. And of course, I become super paranoid because I've argued in my show that there's two types of consciousness. I'm not saying...

anyone is right or wrong not consciousness but two types of thought patterns one is the conspiratorial where every time you see connections you immediately think there's someone doing it

And very often it is, right? Because that's how you can often uncover criminalities, corruption, etc. There are conspiracies going on. As soon as two people or more come together to concoct something, it's per definition. So I thought, okay. It's literally to conspire. Do you know what the word means in English? To conspire. Yeah, to breathe together, right? Breathe together, yeah. So I was thinking there's someone working for the court system or the police in the order. Yeah.

They are breathing together, right? So they are now giving me a hint. Like, see, we know about your past. The other way of thinking is to immediately think that all sorts of patterns and connections are supernatural or the invisible hand. And this is what was happening this time. But then I thought it was, oh, my God, I got paranoid, right? They know about it. Oh, no, they're onto me.

I think it's a poetic thing because they represent two different phases of my life back then. One was the past, which was being a rebel.

The other was my then future, which was entering the spiritual world. So that's how I interpret that these two numbers was identical. And it's a synchronicity because they came at the same time. Yeah, absolutely. Time was the connector, the binder of those two spatial phenomenons. Wow. Yeah, I think it's pretty strong. I like that. Yeah, yeah.

Now, this would have been a wonderful ending to the show, but I remember one more thing I have to pick your brain on, and then we can call it a day, okay? You have five more minutes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, for the life of me, I can't remember the term right now, but in Theosophy, they have a term for this. And this thing I'm going to describe to you is also a universal concept in Esoterica, but it's got a renaissance now that the theory of the...

What's it called? The theory that we're in a movie, in a game. Simulation theory. Yeah, the simulation theory has brought a renaissance to this. So again, I don't remember the term, but I've said it in many other shows. So my listeners will probably have connected the dots. There is this concept in esoterica that when you... Like, it's a Schrodinger's cat thing.

a thing doesn't exist. It just potentially exists until you encounter it. That means that did you come into the school or not? It's not a given like people think when you open the letter. It's actually, it's asuring as cat, right? It's both. And as soon as you open the letter and as soon as you read it, that's when it's defined. This concept exists

exists in esoterica. So it means that you need a player, a person to be there. It's the same in quantum, right? You have to observe it for it to be defined. Now, in game theory, it explains how it can be because you have a game and when you are out of the room, I think we actually discussed this the last time, when you're not in a room, the game exists as potentials, ones and zeros. As soon as your avatar enters a room, it is manifested. Yeah.

Now, how would time work into this concept? Yeah, because if we're working on linear time here, aren't we? So that the argument, you know, Schrodinger's cat, or the wave becomes a particle at a point in time, immediately after it's observed. But that happens in linear time. Whereas if you...

the kind of time you were advocating earlier on, whereby there are chronons of time. There are periods where there is no before and after because there is no time. What about the theory that there's multiple universes and when you decide, it splits? Yeah, everything. In other words, this again, it's become more sophisticated now in that the original universe

was 1957, Hugh Everett III's PhD thesis, which was his alternative to the Copenhagen interpretation, which argues that consciousness collapses a wave function to bring about a particular live or dead cat.

And he argued that, in fact, the cat is alive and dead at the same time. And what happens is one scientist sees a dead cat and one scientist sees a dead cat, a live cat. And in fact, the universe is split to accommodate the outcome of both scenarios. And interestingly enough, Stephen Hawking, in the very last paper he wrote with a guy called Thomas Hertog, called the top down.

And he argued that since the first moments of the universe, the outcome of every decision that can possibly be made is already encoded into the universe, but only comes into existence as that wave function is collapsed. So there are not many worlds, but there are many anticipatory or potential worlds. But suffice to say, whichever way you look at it,

effectively it means that every outcome of every decision is exists potentially a zero and one potentially zero one yeah it comes down again to binary notation it's on or off it's zero or one so do we with our expectation decide how it or at least influence yes why did the school say you got the spot when i opened the letter as in contrast to you didn't make the cut

Yes, that's the crucial question. I think the strength of probably people who are very effective magicians is that they found a way to do that now.

that they know how to split the… Not cheat the ferryman, but cheat Kronos. Cheat treat Kronos, yeah, and always collapse the wave function of the route you want to go. Right. But let's think about this, though, for a second. If the Kronon model works, that's how you do it. You slip between the Kronons.

In order to bide the time, well, of course, it's the wrong term. You're not using the time. You're not using the time. It's non-time. Well, you make the decision is made in orthogonal time. And then you know which one, which path to follow. It reminds me, you know, of the Orge Borges' short story, The Garden of the Forking Paths, which is exactly the same principle, you know, is knowing which path to tread.

And if you know which path to tread, you can get through the maze, you know, for once. Yeah. It said, it said that when you have flow, you are moving in the right path. When it's neutral, you are like in between. And when you have obstacles, you're on the wrong path. Yeah.

That could be a way to read whether you are doing the right decisions or not. I think that's a very good, very good way of putting it. Yeah, I agree. You know, we sometimes we have that feeling, don't you know, you're in the flow and everything works. I mean, for instance, one of the I did, I was invited to give a talk in Switzerland many years ago. And the guy that picked me up was a research scientist at CERN.

And he was telling me about how the universe works for him. And he said he had a period where everything was right for him.

You know, everything flowed. Everything was really brilliant. And he said, and as I suddenly thought how brilliant everything is, he said, I suddenly realized something. He hadn't seen a red stoplight for months. And he said the very next light was a stoplight. Yeah. And everything changed. Yeah. And suddenly things started going wrong. And that stuck in my mind that because he was in the flow, but not aware he was in the flow because that's the whole point of flow, isn't it? It's got to be instinctive. Yeah.

And I thought, wow, that is so accurate. Because you just know, don't you? When things are going well, you're in the zone. Yeah. When I started this podcast back in 15, I still have flows, but I've never in my life been in such a flow on so many areas of life. That's why I've never given up the podcast. I've been close to many times, but...

I know it was the right decision because of all the doors that just opened at the same time. And this was one of them. I went from zero to like 30,000 listeners in a matter of months. Wow.

But back to what we were discussing now. So, yeah, he had literally doors open. Now, this is the feminine way of thinking that if it's meant to be, I'm following it like I'm passive and I'm just following the wind. But there is a case to be made for the masculine way of thinking. And that's that it's not always obstacles means obstacles.

you're doing something wrong. Sometimes obstacles are there for you to evolute because all growth is about extension. It is to stretch yourself beyond your natural boundaries, beyond your comfort zone and to conquer, to seize it like a warrior. So these obstacles exist for me to actually deal with and

When I have refined whatever in me that made this an obstacle, then I overcome it. This is also important to assert because too many people then become like robots. They don't like... I think the masculine thing and the feminine thing has to be balanced. Sometimes it is about reading the writing on the wall, reading the signs. Sometimes it is about...

actually getting a grip and lifting yourself up from the bootstraps. You understand what I mean? Oh, I do. I mean, very wise. You know, the old statement, if anything, once it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger. Yeah. Like what happened with you. And I think that is very, very true. I mean, we all have...

to deal with in life, you know, because life would be really boring if everything just worked all the time. You know, so I'm completely with you on that. There's astonishing wisdom you have shared here with this conversation, I think. Yeah, right back at you, bro. You know, and I'd like to think that obviously, but I'd like to think the people that have been listening in here have gone with the flow and

and found what we've been talking about to be fascinating and interesting, because I certainly have. Yeah. Last time they said I had to listen to the show many times so that I could get older, because we both talk rather fast, and we both presuppose that you know certain stuff, right? Yes. Yes, we do. And that's a clue to communication. Otherwise, we would all be doing the ABC all the time. Yes. So we have to expect a certain level, and that...

the listeners may be intelligent enough to follow everything, but they may not be familiar enough. So they have to go back and check stuff, right? Yeah, exactly. Intelligence doesn't come into it. It's whether you've been exposed to a particular piece of information. You know, it's like when people are in quizzes and they say, oh,

How did you know that? Well, I know that because I've read it somewhere. You didn't haven't read it somewhere. It doesn't mean you're stupid because you don't know it. You don't know it because you've not experienced it. You know, it's completely different. That's not intelligence. No. And then there's the theory in esoteric. I think Steiner is one of them who asserts that when we reincarnate,

Like a Mozart. You're not just born with that information somehow. There is two explanations. One is the one you asserted today that they're tapping into a field. But it's still into his fingers. It's still into his manifestation skills.

like he had the training. The other is that in former lives, and you made a case for that too, right? In terms of your synchronicity, you reached a certain level of insight. And if it's really integrated into you, it becomes a part of your being, a part of your essence. And then when you reincarnate, of course,

When you reconnect, you have to train yourself, but it goes so much faster because you already know it. You just have to remember it. And then when you get to zero, then starts your real learning. You understand? Yes, I do. That's very good. I like that. And that's, I mean, time here also is a factor because...

Well, I don't know. Reincarnation doesn't necessarily... You know the theories about reincarnating backwards in time and reincarnating back and forth. Yeah. There's no rule saying... I'd never thought about that before. I'd always thought of reincarnation as being linear. But why should it be? Exactly. Why should it? Why should it be? You can extrapolate from this too. And that's a temporal...

messing up of time but what about the spatial what if you can reconnect on different planets yeah it certainly explains some human beings out there it does doesn't it it does doesn't it exactly did you have fun today i enjoyed al i enjoyed it brilliantly it was superb the time has just flown by it's just like two guys sitting in a bar with a couple of beers and just

throwing ideas out brilliant absolutely brilliant thoroughly enjoyed and that's the definition of how I do my podcasts two friends yeah having a coffee and the listener is the proverbial fly on the wall

So that means I can have you back then. Oh, totally. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I'll check out some... I want us for our next chat, I want me to actually have read the book we're discussing. Okay. I think that can bring even more juice to the conversation. Winging it. There's something to be said for winging it because I'm in the same boots as my listeners, right? But...

To bring it even more forward, I think I should be familiar with what you already put out there, because I love the stuff you're talking about. And I love the little stuff I've read. You read in the classics. That's very important. Well, as we said, you know, if you read that, you know, there's a whole section on David Finkelstein and his chronons. So I'm delighted that that concept is now being reused. Yeah.

It's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Okay, let's plug your stuff. The book we've been discussing, again, what's the name? Okay, it's called The Labyrinth of Time, The Mystery of Past, Present and Future, which I have to say that people have asked me which is my favourite book of my books, and that one is. It is my favourite.

I really like that book. It's the lowest seller of them. You know, it's nowhere near sold as well. I think it's around 10,000, 12,000, something like that. So it's not been a huge seller. And it's not gone into any foreign write deals, whereas all the other books are in multiple foreign languages, which I find very sad. Yeah, but you think it could have to do with that –

it's easier for people to understand stuff like near death, but this may be more demanding. It was. It's philosophically a good deal more demanding. I did put a lot of work into that and that's why I think I enjoy it so much. So that's the book. And you can get it, it's available. You can get it from your local libraries probably if you wish, but it's also available on Audible, which I had to audition to read my own books and,

which was great fun. I really enjoyed doing that. So that's that one. Yes. So that's the book we've been talking about. Okay. And you now mentioned you had a podcast. What's that called? The podcast is called Consciousness Hour.

It's on the back burner at the moment because I've had problems with IT and with the archons who have been playing with me a little bit. So I've decided to not give them any more fun for a time. But then again, I'm so heavily involved in the writing of my 13th book at the moment that I'm really focusing in on getting that done.

which is deadline for the end of March. It goes back to the old truisms, when man plan, the gods laugh. Yeah, spot on. What about your YouTube channel? Is that the same as the podcast? It's the same, yeah. It's not really a podcast. It's a YouTube channel, which I used to go out live. There used to be two. There was Consciousness Hour and InConn.

And I, the person who I do the show with is Sarah James, who's the young lady who did the event in Greece, in Athens. She's, she's an absolute expert on you. You should have her as a guest on your show. I think you said that last time. What was it that she, there was something she had achieved that I should interview her about something about near death or out of the body experience. There's two, there's, there's two that I think you should interview. The first one is Sarah James. I,

I helped her get a book deal with Inner Traditions in America. And her book is now out and it's about dream incubation. Lucid dreaming? Yeah, lucid dreaming she's interested in, but dream incubation and also the Greek mysteries.

I definitely have her on. Yes, she is good. Make sure to send me her or just introduce us via an email. I'll introduce you. And she is brilliant. Check out online the interviews I've done with her because we do them together. And she's very, very good. And the other person that I think you should interview is my friend, Samantha Lee Treasure, who's now living out in South Korea. And she's got two books due out, one within a Traditions book.

and one due out with Arcturus. Uh, and I managed to help her to get both those book deals. Um, she is somebody up and coming. Uh, she really is. I think you recommended her last time, but I forgot the approach. What was, um, she, she done something that I could pick her brain for. We were talking about egregores. We were talking about diamonds. We were talking about, um, uh,

Did she do something in terms of astral? Yeah, she has very profound out-of-body experiences, but she also has future out-of-the-body experiences. For instance, she goes to a place she calls Future Tokyo. Wow. Where she is and she sees herself reflected in buildings and things where she's an android. She's a cyborg and she works on undersea cables.

Wow. And she'll suddenly find herself out of the body and she'll be in this cyborg body working underwater on undersea cables. It's quite extraordinary. And she's effectively mapping out this environment. But she's particularly interested in cartoon entities. Oh, I remember. I told you about my out-of-body experience where I was looking into a mirror. Yes. And I think you said you would encourage her to...

That's right. Yes. Coming back to you, right? It is. It is indeed. And in fact, I should have mentioned that too, because I spoke to her this morning. So, yeah. And what I saw in the mirror to remind you is negative. Yeah. Now, she'd be fascinated by this because this is the whole non-standard things that people are, because she's very much into this whole world of youngsters now and the things they're doing in terms of out-of-body experiences and everything as well.

And she's also shamanism. She's researching shamanism in South Korea, where she lives now. Right. But in terms of time, if that is possible, what she's doing, I would venture that in her mind, she goes between these frozen...

these frozen movie pictures. And then here comes another thing, right? The potentiality of different universes. So it's not like written in stone that even though she's doing the UAP thing with her mind, going in between, behind the curtains, behind the scene, still there are potential futures. So it may not necessarily be the one we are. But then again, how do I know that

You and me are not venturing out into two different branches of time, right? Yeah, absolutely. It's intriguing. And of course, as I mentioned earlier on, Sam was the Persephone character in the recreation of Plato's cave. And yeah, it's just in terms of almost dual reality sometimes.

And it's going to be interesting to see what feedback we get from this conversation from the people who've been listening in. Absolutely. Because it'd be great to have feedback, guys. You know, let us know what you think about the conversation and your own experiences of these things. Yeah. I sometimes check the comments on Spotify, YouTube, and it was really, it was really great last time. I'll...

I'll alert you to some of the feedback I get. Please do. Yeah, please do. Wow. Our conversation next time. I'll not let it go many years. Yeah, absolutely. We must do this again soon. Thank you so much for today, Anthony. And you, and you. Wonderful conversation. Yeah. Okay, Anthony. God bless you. Have a nice day. Okay. See you. Bye. See you. Bye-bye. Thanks again to Anthony for revisiting the forum and

blessing us with his many illuminations. Now, a quote in his book from an ancient philosopher goes like this, Whether time would exist or not if a manifested consciousness did not exist is a fair question. For if there cannot be someone to count, there cannot be anything that can be counted.

Now this is a version of, if a tree falls in the forest but there is none to hear it, does it still make sound? Well, as we have many times concluded in former shows, indeed if there is no one to experience it, the tree did not really fall.

let alone make any sound, rather there has been a change in the "programming code" that generates the image of a tree such that next time someone is in the vicinity and perceives it and thereby invokes its scene, it appears to have been fallen.

In the same manner, where no one exists, there is no time, because time is consciousness experiencing a sequence of images, or more specific, the sequence of space manifesting from moment to moment. This, then, is related to the particle versus the wave problem. And my view, you already know.

Existence is made up by waves which, if you zoom in on it at a specific space and time, become frozen, quote-unquote, and appears as particles, which still are but parts of the same ever-moving waves. When the clock hit midnight, it's still a frozen moment.

or a particle of time, so to speak. But time itself is an ever-flowing wave in itself, but is experienced as an unfolding cascade of linear nows, once there is consciousness interacting with it. So there is a programming to time, whether we call it chronos or something even more mythical. But just like in a computer game, if you do not enter a room,

It is unmanifested as raw data and once you do enter it, you trigger its potential into existence where the order of its ones and zeros appears to you as a room. Likewise, our interaction with the vibrations making up existence is what is needed for the programming of time and space to become the conscious experience of time and space.

By themselves, time and space are infinite. We know that the only way space has any meaning is if there are objects in it. It allows us to measure space as the distance between them. But without anything and anyone in space, it ceases to exist.

The same is true for time, as time is just sequences of space or like in Anthony's example many still photos in a row appearing like a moving film. And the spiral movement is in the direction of entropy and negentropy. What is it that moves space-time?

Why isn't it just a permanently still image? Why isn't everything just constantly frozen and motionless? Well, according to the esoteric terminology, it is fire, the primordial force in cosmos. And fire is intimately bound to our minds. Without light, space-time ceases to exist. A materialist may insist that time is real by defining it as something measured by a clock.

but what is it that the clock measures time this is a circle argument and a philosophical cul-de-sac does not a day exist certainly not the whole day because the beginning has vanished before the end appears the same is true for an hour and likewise with a second

The only space of time that can exist is that where the beginning and the end come so close to each other that they merge. In other words, a quantum of zero time. We cannot put yesterday on the table or any other place. Per definition, we have no time in a physical sense. What we have is psychic time.

Time is what appears more real than anything else, because it is something that is generated by our mind. In actuality, it is just non-time that can have a real existence. We cannot have any experience that is not directly measured in the categories of space, time and causalities, because they are the very structure and fabric of experience.

But we must not conflate these methods of conceptualizations, interpretations and comprehensions with reality. So let's discard the illusory concept of physical space-time and let me finally rather move on to muse around the consciousness aspect of it, which is the true nature.

Anyone who has preserved in their soul some of the cosmic heritage we naturally all have in the unconscious are prone to be in touch with eternity, the essence of existence, at least potentially. For everyone who has a mind for the invisible and not only for that which can be sensed, who is not blind or deaf because the eyes and ears are in their way,

but can feel newly born in infinity and sense the limitlessness of time as a rush through them. To them the sacred words of the ancients are written. Let us count our days, that we may gain wisdom in our hearts. They will not misunderstand. No one is given to be able to count the days of life we have ahead of us.

And the ones left behind are of little help in having counted, except insofar as they indicate that it is decreasing with the rest and giving a healthy reminder that we are rather infants on this earth, even if we are almost 50, 60 or 70 years old. A 50-year-old has 18,000 days of life behind him and a 70-year-old has 25,000, no more, no less.

None knows in advance whether she will achieve that many, but if she has been granted them, she knows that she can count the rest with slim digits. Yes, alas, it is the destiny of man to pass on, young or old. It's the only single thing in life we all know for sure that awaits us. Brave atheists,

humble agnostics, frank religious people, we all share the same fate and destiny. Death shall lay the pious in the grave, side by side with the children of unbelief, and shall deprive the rich of his wealth, and the poor of his misery, the mighty of his power, and the celebrity of his fame, and shall shut the mouth of the learned and silence the tongue of the scoffer.

Life from generation to generation rolls like a wave, where each person is a particle, across the sea of eternity and lifts us up into the light of day for a short while, only to let us sink back into the same depth of eternity from which we were lifted up. Because the number of days is so limited, therefore we shall count them as precious gifts

In other words, we must take care of them, use them wisely, while we write each life's saga on the tablet of time. Because we don't have the opportunity to scribble a tentative draft that we can rewrite afterwards to get order and coherence and good sense in presentation. It's like being up for an exam and having to hand in your assignment without...

being able to do drafts because there isn't time for it or not enough paper or the pen empties without being able to get it refilled etc and then it's silly to sit and cross or scribble mindlessly in order to get the sheets out of the way passing the time as they say

No, the days are some precious sheets that must be filled once and for all and handed in as they are without revision or altered. And even if none in heaven or eternity shall ever read or use them, they nonetheless are inevitably archived by time, not in libraries or archives or museums, but in living life.

and in their unpredictable consequences for life's unfoldment through time and therefore count your days before it's too late before you have time to sigh you have received your last one as the day and the hour inevitably draw closer he sends more and more strongly that

The young life is leaving us, while everything that was ours is fading away in the fleeting time. The world of youth is no longer what it was. It becomes more and more alien to us with all its advances, with or without quotation marks, and improvements, same. Its changes and new customs and views change.

expressions, tastes and preferences, new problems and discussions that we cannot pay attention to. And even if we can, there is rarely anyone who bothers to listen to the old man. Because he has nothing more to say when he has "fallen past the age limit" and the young has taken over the world. He is like a ghost on old plots for the rest of his days.

More and more of those who wear contemporary faces and voices are gone and silenced. No future awaits us in the world. And all the past is gone with all its joys and sorrows, defeats and triumphs. There is less and less left of us and less and less left for us. Finally, nothing. The same fate and share awaits those who come after us.

And perhaps that is the only or most important reason why the elder is tolerated as a pensioner or patient, as like some kind of scarecrow or memento to the youth of what they themselves can expect. And if you have not used your young years to do useful work, create or to speak your mind while someone still wanted to listen, then you have lived in vain. Yes,

even those that made use of their time and perhaps did great achievements and coughed up triumphs and can be happy that things are growing after them what is what is there so left when they have to give everything up well there is actually something and perhaps the most important

Because as we face the last day, the question arises more and more pressingly about what might await us when death has closed our eyes. An expectation of eternity or perhaps a fear of it. No one can feel safe. Even if you try very hard to suppress your thoughts and emotions and wave them away like troubles or mosquitoes or dregs on your peace of mind, no atheistic opium helps against them.

And the materialistic mind spin has become a pathetically fragile mosquito net against troublesome thoughts of eternity after quantum physics has torn it to shreds. How many bold atheists or agnostics there may be who quietly search and fumble through the holy books for something to strengthen their soul when life ebbs no one knows. And there is none who can blame them.

because on the border between life and death it tends to dawn upon anyone that man is something more than a high-ranking mammal, something more than an ape-man, then we tend to become quite human and can fold our hands a little, which no monkey has yet been able to do with any significant reverence.

But if there is still the occasional intellectualist who holds his ground like a steadfast tin soldier right up to the threshold of death, then he has only a single and extremely miserable hope left. That it cannot be worse to be dead than not to be born.

And what that is, he imagines to have some idea about from the trillions of years the stars have existed or the hundreds of trillions of years the universe has found its way without his help, even without him feeling any lack of existence or sorrow for not being born. But he still does not really dare to trust this poor hope.

For there is actually a certain difference between having woven one's tiny thread of life into the motley fabric of life with all its unpredictable consequences and, on the other hand, never having seen the stars or sensed life's joy and sorrows or experienced its suspense and mystery.

And with that, our time together is ending for now. Thanks for all your support, reviews, comments, likes, shares, follows and subscriptions, all keeping us afloat. I've been your host Al, iterating that time isn't a bundle of milestones, but a sequence of valuable moments. Be seeing you!

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