#340 Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant
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On the night of the chicago s were eliminated from the nineteen ninety five NBA playoffs, the orlando a magic I SAT with Michael in the dark in arena until three A M. He had just returned to basketball two months earlier following his first retirement and brief baseball career. So much had happened in the last year.

Dressed in a suit tie, he looked around the brand arena that had replaced the legendary chicago stadium earlier that season and said, I hate this fucking in building. You built this fucking building. I said during that series, some of their leno magic players said that he didn't look like the old number twenty three, which he didn't.

He was wearing number forty five, and he wasn't ready. And I knew a Better than anyone else. His endurance, his shot, they are just hadn't been enough time to get him back to the level of excEllence that people had grown accustom to.

Predictably, there was plenty of talk about how his baseball career had failed. His baseball combat had failed. He had failed.

Michael Jordan was done, they said, and as usual, they were wrong. Michael jorn is done when he says he's done, not when you say he's done. In fact, you saying IT usually ensures the opposite.

At the end of that game, he had a message for their Linda magic as all the players shook hands and left the court. Enjoy this win because IT ain't onna happen again. The following season, he LED the balls to an N, B, A.

Record seventy two wins, sweat their lando magic in the playoffs, and won the first of three more champion rings to go with three rings he already won before he had failed. That was an expert from one of the two books and going to talked about today. Both were written tim groban, who was Michael jorce trainer for fifteen years, and also trained kobe brian.

In fact, kobe bryant and my hael jorn, both barbed, both of the books. So the first book is called relentless, from good to great to unstoppable. And the second one is called winning the unforgiving race to greatness. So what I want to do is a little different than I Normally do. I've already done two episodes on Michael joran, two episodes, and kobe brian.

This is just going to be uh, stories that tim grover has about Michael and kobe in the inside to the mentality further like life history their biography for jorn you can listen episode twelve and two thirteen for kobe. It's abp to two seventy two and two seventy. I'm going to jump right into relentless.

This is the updated version of the book. I read the audio book. I listen to the audio book many years ago, and I decided here i'm going to buy the paper act version and do a podcast on IT.

And so the updated version he's talking about, all the feedback he got from the first version, and the most common criticism he got was IT doesn't the book doesn't tell you what to do. And this is what tim grove are said about that. That is one hundred percent accurate.

Why would anyone want to be told what to do? The whole point of this book is that in order to be successful, to truly have what you want to like your life, you must stop waiting to be told what to do and how to do. IT.

I can't give you a ten step process or a checklist. What I am giving you is insight into the mentality of those who have found unparalleled success by trusting their own instincts. And so there is a very old story that's a very reminiscent what he's talking about, obviously talking about Michael Jordan, kobe briant, some other people who trained as well.

But there was a the story about back in motor and a man, a Young man, was twenty one years old. I ask mozart, is that well, how do you write a symphony and modes are replied that you are too Young to write symphony and Young said, but you are writing sympathy when you were ten and I am twenty twenty one. And motor's response is very much the point that tiger was trying to teach us where in the first chapter he's said again, but I didn't go around asking people how to do IT.

And so he talks about why he titled the book relented. And he says, the word relentless is used to describe the most intense competitors and achieve s imaginable. Those who stop at nothing to get the end result and will pop to mine when I read that is, of course, kobe and my goal reinless.

When I hear the word William less, the first person that comes to my mind is not Michael Jordan, it's jeff BIOS. In fact, to this day, you might, you know this, but jeff BIOS owns the domain, relentless doc com. If you go on your browser new type list, com IT will for to amazon.

For a brief moment, he loved the words so much. He was thinking about a naming amazon relatable 点 com。 I've done, I don't know, eight podcast, six podcast that on jeff bezos. And that's the word that one word I would choose to describe him.

One of the reasons I would heavily recommend getting the audio book, if you like, audio books of reinless is because he talks about a lot of things in this book that most people know, kind MIT, you see is, but this idea, the dark side, the dark side of Michael Jordan and coy's personality, is mentioned a lot in this book. And so I just want to go into a little bit. He says, I understand how they think, how they learn, how they succeed and how they fail.

I understand what drives them to be relentless. And it's not all pretty. If you're aiming to to be the best at what you do, you cannot worry about whether your actions will upset other people or what to think of you.

Your strategy is to make everyone else get on your level. You are not going down to theirs. You're not competing with anyone else ever again. They're gonna have to compete with you.

And so that idea that, hey, i'm not going down to your level, you have to rise to mine or you need to leave is something that koby Michael peat over over again a across decades is something that their teammates mentioned over over again. It's something their competitors mentioned over over again. I watched and we watched the last dance over the last week.

I have keep that documentary playing over november. On most of times I not have ve been listening to IT like it's just on the background of from reading, working, whatever. But there was something that popped out this onto the tense time of watches document or something like that maybe eighth.

And he he's talking about why he was so hard in his teams, in fact, that he came to chicago is, I goes, and we were a terrible franchise. I had to fail and fail and fail and fail year after year after year, year. There was seven, eight years before he won us for a championship.

And then you come in here, you know, now you you're joining a world class organization. Yet you didn't do any of work to build IT into a word class organization. So you are not coming down to your level.

You're going to rise to mine. And he says, something goes, we were shit when I got here, and we elevated to being a champion of quality team. There are certain standards that you have to live by.

You do not come pussy footing around. You have to come in and ready to play. And so those are Michael Jordan words.

And then take vers words on that is your strategies make everyone else get on your level. You're not going down to there. You're not competing with anyone else ever again.

They can have to pee with you. And then tim grover has a unique vantage point because he starts working out with Michael and training him away before Michael ever want his first championship. And so he says Michael was the best because he was real less about winning, no matter how many times he want.

He always wit more, and he was always willing to do whatever IT took. Michael never cared about chief mire greatness. He cared about being the best ever.

And then he merely starts comparing people like Michael kobe, pat Riley, phil Jackson, Larry. And this is really a list of traits that koby and Jordan share. I says these are the most driven individuals you'll ever know with an unmatched ious for what they do.

They don't just perform a job. They reinvent IT. So this idea you're going to hear to see repeat om again, that the most driven than the most competitive, there is no one in their industry like of them, another trade they share, they expect to succeed.

They expect you to succeed. And when they do, they never celebrate for long because there's always more to do another thing, they take responsibility for everything. So in addition to reading these two books I collect, I think of said this, i'm slightly obsessed with both Michael joran and kobe ran.

I collect stories about the all time. So in addition to reading with books, I also, I also have a bunch of these like stories saved on my phone or locher videos. And I watch this excEllent interview, one of the best, i've watched all the kobe brand interviews that I can fine.

One of the best ones happened, surely, before he passed away. And I was actually with the holiday me baseball player, iraq. I will leave IT linked to down.

I highly recommend watching and listening to the whole thing. I fly watch shit four, five times. In fact, i'm just to meet A D soon, which is kind of cool and looking forward to that. But this idea where they say, hey, you know, people like Michael and kobe, they take responsibility for everything there is.

So there's a fascine exchange that happens in that interview between a road and kobe, brian, where kobe says the fine, he says, the people that have always had issues or problems with our people who don't demand excEllence for themselves. I will not tolerate that because when the career is all said and done, no one, they're not going to be looking at you just a player on this team saying, oh, you don't want a championship. No, they're going to be looking here.

Meaning him as the leader of the team is the founder. Think about the founder, right? Everything is founders fault. The founder has to take responsibility for everything.

And so back to what kobe said, he is when the crews also not can be saying, looking at you, a player on the teams saying, you know, on the chair ship, no, they are going to be looking here. So it's my responsibility to make sure i'm holding every body accountable. And so that's what I think of when I get to this page.

And he says, hay, they take responsibility for everything more on trades they share. They never stop working physically immensely because IT gives them too much time to think about what they have had to endure and sacrifice. There's two examples of this, and you can actually see IT with your eyes when you're watching the last time.

The first time is when he wins. Um when mico jorden wins his first NBA title ever you know seven, eight years of struggle, really entire life time a struggle and he's like just he's got his head is a famous picture of like with his head on the lario brain trophy and you know he's happy what he's like also very emotional. I was fascinated that is his teammate said that he had never, up until that point they didn't even know if he was human, that he had never showed them any a other emotion other than anger and frustration and so they make the point to that.

Anyone know that was the hear that side to m. And then there's an even more extreme version of this, because think about this is like never working physically, immensity, because IT gives them too much time to think about what they have had to endure to sacrifice. And the second title, actually, IT was his four title, but it's the, the, the first N, B, A title that he wins after his father is murdered.

And IT is visceral. What happens if this is something that also famous succeed on youtube? It's in the last dance too, but he's on the flowing workroom and he is just heaven and sobbing like you can hear the sobs.

But what I would do is when you watch IT, I would pay attention. You just see his entire is like entire chest cavity. He is shaking.

IT is a complete emotional release. And I think he goes back to the fact here, you never stop working because they will give you too much. Think about what they ve had to enter and sacrifice.

And sports, unlike business, like there is a finishing, right? And so he can stop and everything comes rushing through. They're never earned for the money.

He knows what he's worth. And he reminds you, if you make the mistake of forgetting IT, but the money is secondary to what really drives them. The most important thing, the one thing that defines and separate him from any other competitor, he's addicted to the exquisite rush of success.

And he altered his entire life to get IT another trade that kobe and Michael shared. Something is mentioned over in organ. Is there just how stronger mentality is the fact they hit control over their minds?

I'm going to read you something that in micros autobots phy, which I covered already back on pursuit to thirteen in one second, but he says you can't excell anything before you train your mind. Mental dominance is what ultimately makes you unstoppable. Michael, talk about this.

And driven from within the book, driven from within. And he says, like your mind will play tricks on you. He says, the mine will play tricks on you.

The mine was telling you that you couldn't on you further, the man was telling you how much I hurt. The man was telling you these things to keep you from reaching your goal, but you have to see past that. You have to turn IT all off if you're ever gna get to where you want to be.

And I don't think that part can be overlook, because your own mind can be your work enemy can actually stop you from even trying. There's a great uh, speech, uh, talk kobe brian was given. I given.

I think he was doing IT on a tour in china and he says something was facing to me and he says the greatest fear we face is ourselves. It's not anything that's external or anything is superficial. I think the greatest feel that you face is yourself because we all have dreams.

And it's very scary sometimes to accept the dream that you have. And it's scary still to say, I want that. It's scary because you're afraid that if you put your heart and soul into IT and then you fail, how are you onna, feel about yourself? So being fearless means to put yourself out there and going for IT no matter what.

Go for IT, not for anybody else, but for yourself. This dedication to learning how to control your mind is something that mentioned over, over again a later in the book. He says, if one thing separate a Michael from every other player, IT was his stunning ability to block out everything and everyone else.

He was able to shut out everything except his mission in the very last episode of the last minute to talk about this. He says, most people struggle to be present. Most people live in fear, because we project the past into the future.

Michael is a mistake. He was never anywhere else. His gift was that he was able to be completely present. The big demo of otherwise gifted players is thinking about failure.

He would say, why would I think about missing a shot I haven't taken yet? And you see this even after they win the six and final championship in chicago. Do you have speak celebration? There's much of michelin, his hotel room with a bunch of reporters.

She's playing the piano smoke to say, gar is a good time and then somebody awesome. Hey, you ve got another one in you and he just started because it's the moment, man, it's the moment. It's that then bud's m shit.

Get in the moment and stay there. Just stay in the moment until next october, and then will know where the how we are. And so this idea of controlling your mind, controlling your emotions, not panicking, not letting emotions below judgment and staying in the present moment is repeated throughout both boxes.

Another example, people like kobe and Michael, they feel the same excitement and anxiety and nerves before adventure like you do. The difference is they have their ability control these feelings. Michael used to say they had butterflies before a big game and I will tell them getting all going in the same direction.

They're not going away. But now you're controlling how you feel about them. Michael would think if i'm feeling nervous, how the fuck er they feeling, they have to deal with me that sort of reframing of a negative emotion into a positive one into actual fuel. And so another thing that Michael and kobe had in common from tim grover's perspective is the ability to keep IT simple into master the fundamentals. And so he says, at some point you made something simple into something complicated.

I get frequent calls from athletes who are completely overwhelmed by all the experts and trainers and nutrition onest and coaches, coaches, everyone doing so much of them that they lose the natural ability that made them great in the first place, the boxer leon spinks once said, when asked what he does for a living, he said, I know model fuckers out. That is IT simple. You don't mess with IT.

You don't alter IT. You don't teach you to be something different. And so there's a great story later in the book that talks about, like, okay, for Michael Jordan, kobe, know if you asked what to do.

Like, I win champing ships. Kobe would also say, I give them numbers and I need to tie this together. So we're going come back to this and i'm going to jump ahead so I can just give you this part about kobe.

And so tim, talking about the fact that there's just a lot of people that are doubling away too much and now focus, they are wondering why are not they are not successful, he says. Ah there's a lot of people that are doubling in a lot of things and succeeding and none I list to those people. I think as far as I can tell, the anything you're good at is keeping busy.

I wanna hear someone say I do this. If you ask kobe what he does, he says, I give out numbers, numbers. Yeah, I gave them eighty one, or I gave them a triple double, or I gave those guys sixty one points.

I want to make you excEllent at this one thing. When people talk about someone who can do this, you're going to be the first name on the list. People get paid a fortune for being the expert at one thing.

Anytime others need that one thing, you're the only one that they're. And so one of my favorite books that i've ever done for the pocket, I did all back on episode one, anyone, it's actually written with a book writing by my friend and Jordan son. It's called the armona of the rava on and wall said something genius in that book is really talking about like the effect of like the modern age, the fact that we're living in the age of infinite leverage.

And so really affects everything. What you're doing for work, how to do IT, how to think about IT, really is the book that I give out as a gift. You know most frequently, in fact, about four more copies, like last week, a week before.

But when I get to this point, he's like, you know, I want somebody to be to be excEllent at one thing. And I think this can become even more and more important. And the wall says in that book, being at the extreme of your craft is very important in the age of infinite leverage.

Just what we live in. The person that is the best in the world gets to do that for everyone. And i've been taking of those ideas are in the book and trying to apply them with the venture, like, i'm just gonna cus.

Like, I want to be the best in the in studying constancy and clarifying how history greatest founders thought. And therefore I get to do that for everyone in the world. And so it's to illustrate this point.

Tim govert tells a story where he man, Michael Jordan went to, they go and they they visit on FBI training facility. And this is an excEllent story because the idea behind IT can be applied to everything, right? So they show up.

And it's a practice range for the most elledge sharp shooters in the world of snipers. There's one guy out there alone practicing his craft over and over and over again. The target is four hundred dollars away, four plop al fids.

He has the ginst truck drive to the target set, IT up and drive back to where we're sending. He gets his gun with the scope, takes me one shot, then we get in the truck with him and drive back to the target. He hitting dead fucking center.

Michael asked him how many people use that target range and he said, just me. He was alone, working on this one over and over again. So when people, the military needs someone who can hit that kind of target, they call him, no one knows what this guy does everyday to be this good.

People just know that he can deliver results, figure out what you do, then do IT and do IT Better than anyone else, and then let everything else you do build around that. And that's something Michael talks about because now, you know, not obviously one of the greatest, if not the greatest, basco play a role time. But if you look at what he's done in his on the best entrepreneur s too.

And his old point was like his game was his best endorsement. He said, my dedication to the game LED to obvious other stuff, you know, in fact, that he made. I guess like a billion or two billion dollars selling his M B A team.

The fact that he's got this crazy deal with nike, that he's been getting five percent royalty, I think he's going to make something like three hundred million dollars this year. And that only happens because he fired out. What he did then did IT Better than anyone else, and you let everything else that he did build around that. And so now I want to go back to this page or it's OK. You have to keep a simple.

At some point you made something simple to something complicated that kobe in a Michael talk open over again about the importance of fundamentals um and so this is a great story in that interview with a rod and kobe and kobe talking about this you know this I think a year before the the helicopter of crash and he's like, you know, I I called Michael Jordan and he was talking about the fact that his traveler old daughter was playing basketball and he feels that they were being taught like just too much like too much fancy stuff like this is, this is crazy and so what he wanted to do is like, I just try to teach my kids, you know, the most basic stuff. And when we just do the basics and we do IT over and over, over and over again and so he caused a Michael Jordan SE like list, man, i'm having a hard time remembering, like what I was learning when I travel old. You know, what was technique I learning to play baseball sheller years old? Because I think these kids nowadays, nowadays, are just doing too much.

A, and so kobe asked me, like, what were you doing? You know, what were you learning about baseball? twelve. And he goes, and Michael es, dude, I was playing baseball. And kobe's response to this was excEllent.

He goes, let that sink in for a second for all the people who out there overtraining their kids twelve and do you know fancy stuff, just let that sink in for a second. Okay, so back to traits that Michael kobe shared ah they both never stop learning. Depend on all these hours of works to create an unstoppable internal resource that you can draw on in any situation.

And so one of my favor, examples of this, as I read this, like seven, six hundred or seven hundred eight biography of kobe, I did the same thing on of Michael two is actually the same author. But coin that types of of two thousand, two have heard yet. But in that, in that book, a one of kobe's high school friends comes over, and kobe opens up this closet and is a closet full of V H S, V H S tapes of all of closely of Michael games.

And they were just watching over over. And in fact, also in a book, kobe's high school girlfriend was ask like, what was like dating koby in high school is I would just come over house on friday night. We'd watch Michael Jordan games.

So this idea that is never stop learning, all those hours of work have created an unstoppable internal resource that you can draw any situation koby Michael both talk a lot about trusting your intuition um in fact, that they could Opera. I just didn't open up up to a few weeks ago and SHE talked about this and the quote, when those in this book is Opera, once said, every right decision i've ever made has come from my gut. And every wrong decision i've ever made was as a result of me not listening to that gut, to that intuition.

Steve job talked about this two in his bag with water. And this intuition is a very powerful thing, more powerful than intellect, in my opinion, that has had a big impact on my work. And so in addition to that, they both seek out difficulty.

They want pressure. And this is tim grover's interpretation of Michael, a legend at trash talk. I got a bunch of stories about that that i'm gonna that collected from the internet that are great r two and tells you about a minute.

But I love this. Uh, tim says I always felt Michael legende trash talking wasn't meant for the other guy. IT was another way for him to heighten the pressure that he put on himself.

Because once you ve told others how bad you're about to fuck them up, you're gonna have to deliver on that promise. Pressure, pressure, pressure. Most people run from that. Most people run from stress.

Stress keeps you sharp, IT chAllenges you in ways you've never imagine, and forced you to solve issues in many situations that time that send bigger people running for cover. So in that biography, this giant by phy of ma joran for episode twelve, I I remember this paragraph because I account my line when I was reading this book and is describing Michael. Mostly he tested himself.

IT seemed that he discovered the secret quite early, his competitive life, the more pressure that he heaped on himself, the greater his ability to rise to that occasion. And I think one of the benefits is if you are holding yourself to a higher standard or putting more pressure yourself in the external world ever could IT makes dealing with expectations of the external world easier if you're even paying attention them. This is great.

Another video I talk about whenever again is kobe was interviewed by a motor shot, and he was asked, like, you know, when you're struggling, you win three champing ships, then you have this drought, you're trying to win more. You know, at that point, you don't know. You gna win to more.

Like where you are you ever worried about fans expectations and a mad the kobe doesn't let a mod finished the question. He has the site, what I call the stanko face so like if you just disgusted at even that thought and he just shakes his head, no one he goes. Um their expectations will never be higher than my own and I think that is the exact right way to approach your craft.

And if something is repeated over over again, if you have that then you know you you're in different to the opinions of other people says over vegan, you know Michael does not care what you think. Kobe does not care. You think there are holding that.

There's nobody that can hold themselves to a higher standard than them themselves. And when you do that, you don't have any fear of holding yourself accountable because every to make mistakes and they say when kobe a Michael made mistake, they would just own up to IT. They said they would look you in the eye and they would say, I fucked up.

That's IT confident, simple, factual, no explanation. You made a mistake. fine. Don't explain this to me in an hour. The truth is one sentence. And that relentless pressure that they put on themselves, I mean, there's going to be a million choice.

They're going to put IT on if if you have a founder, you have a leader that that has relevance pressure that from an internal source that they applying to themselves, chances are they are also going to apply reddy's ity to their team. And so there's a bunch of stories about, uh, about Michael doing that, about kobe doing that. This is an example of, uh, Michael doing IT raw has countless gifts.

A player sensitivity to others was not among them. He was driven to attack, to dominate into congress every way. Whatever he had to do, he did IT, and he expected the same from every individual around him.

And every day those teammates had to show up to face them in practice, completely dread what was ahead, not because practices were hard, but because they knew they had to deal with him and that legendary mouth every fucking day, just absolutely going after each other. And every guy pushing and demanding, chAllenging, abusing and finding every possible way to make them go harder. Once during the playoffs, the day after a growling overtime game, the team was ready to start practice.

Until Michael looked around, he notice one guy was missing. This is later in his career of the the second to repeat that they're on because I think his name Scott, well, I think I think he only played for the bulls from like ninety six and ninety eight and ninety seven and ninety eight and so IT says mico looked around and this one guy was missing where the hell burrel he parked scope l was in the training room. I don't even think he started.

He said he was a part time player, so sounds like didn't play that much. Michael stora, there were poor scot, was on the table getting treatment for alleged hamstring issue. Michael, grab the table with Scott still on IT and completely flipped over.

I just played forty eight fucking minutes last night, my goal, ward, everything's killing me and you have a fucking hamstring. Get your fucking ads and a fucking practice. Now get on my level or get the hell out of my way when the guy, the top on you to pull everyone else up there with you or everything you've will comes crashing down.

John demands excEllence of himself, and he has no tolerance for those who can't or won't rise that level. Think about kobe talking to I. The problem the the people have promote, or people that don't demand excels for themselves.

The reason I said and recommend getting the audio book uh version of reinless because i'd really do feels it's it's very model. I think IT was motivational for me because I have like A A fairly negative a inner monogue and you know, I kind of abuse myself in the way that a mico abuses himself and his teammates. But I, what I liked about the book is I didn't really high hide the fact that, you know, a lot of these extreme people are seeking extreme achievement.

These, these extreme winners do have this like dark side to them. I don't think that the free recorded for extreme success. I mean, think about john iraq fella, but one most successful companies in the world, but the world ever seen rather. And you know, people work from that. He would never raise his voice.

He was never in polite now his competence would would say, you know gang as can't the way he would dominate you know but he wasn't throwing things and yelling at people like this but um so you know I said for what is something that appears over and over and over again and I do think IT is a definitely linked and this book does a good job of you know just showing that dark side and usually people like a micellar kobe or even to save jobs. Um I think the worst thing that you could do a because there so such dominant personalities is is back down from them IT is the worst thing because they're just going to keep abusing you. They're just going realize, you know this person soft, this person is week.

I can basically have my way with them. And even though it's not as talented, they do respect strength and is a story demonstrating this in the book. Also the last answer, Steve curr, you know, is like, I don't know, half a foot shorter than Michael, much smaller.

And yet Michael would love Steve because Steve actually would stand up, stand up to him. And, you know, they're this, a screaming in practice and curtain. Appreciate my said and snap back.

I think I heard that he had push current, push something that Michael halls often punches him in the face, and the Michael gets kicked out a practice. And surprisingly, Steve kerr said he was one of the best things that ever happened to me. I needed to stand up and go back, adam.

And he was right, because as soon as the practice ended, Michael cordon apologized. And from that point on, Michael trusted curr. And this is something that Jordan team mates talked about a lot. I more examples of Jordan team making like that than I do kobe, but I think its supplies them.

They knew that this was not like he was an unusual talent, you know even or in his career you have I saved a screen shots and I look at on my phone and it's, uh, Larry bird and magic Johnson had dominated, you know the N. B. A.

In the ninety eighties. Now we're going to the early nineties, late eighties and realized playing in the yg. Michael Jordan and liberta said, there's nobody like a point blank.

I've never seen nobody plays like he plays. This is before he want a champion, before I want a champing major, Johnson said. Jordan is the most talented player in the N.

B. A. By far. And what was fascinating as people knew that years, years before he would be considered successful, who's an individual, successful individual player from the get up. But all, if you don't want champ ships, is nothing else matters. And Bobby night is a legendary coach and he's coaching uh, Michael jorn in the one thousand nine hundred eighty four olympics.

This is uh before this is before jorn ever plays a game in the MBA and so the portland trail blazers who have the second pic in the draft air, uh, they're gonna all 8 by night and said before， the one thousand and eighty four M, B, A draft permanent area is just called bobbi night who was coaching the U. S. Olympic baseball team that summer, which included Michael and asist opinion on whom they should take with the second pic in the draft.

Everyone knew that husing rockets are gna take him a loge with the first pick, but no one, including port land, was sure whether porn would take Sandy or Michael Jordan. Remember sandboy for later. There's A S Michael Jordan story with him.

So, you know, IT should portal take sam or Michael Jordan with the second pic? Take Jordan, said Bobby night, right, said more than him, but we need a center, then play him at center, knight said. And so tim's interpretation, this was, you have to look at your team is in employees and see what they can do, not what they can't.

This reminded me of a story from one of the rockefeller graphics. I read the fact that they said he would hire talented people as found, not as needed. He's like this in talent is the best asset class.

IT doesn't matter. Fy, don't have a job open or don't have a position. This guy so talented, if I can get him now for how to do them later, that's the equivalent by mining.

Who cares? The center plate center, this guy is gifted, take home. And usually people, if this are so talent, they don't even know how town that they are.

And so you run into a problem when you are so extraordinary or craft, when your talent is so nat, when your skills elevated. It's hard to understand that not everyone like you. They're everyone is like you and can do what you do.

It's not a matter they're trying more or working harder. They really just can't do IT. And if it's not handled right, you will destroy your entire team or office or whatever.

You have a lead performers surrounded by less gifted colleagues. That is exactly why Steve jobs said that you cannot indulge b players. She's like a players only want to work with a players.

If you indulge, be players you came around, you're gonna luxury players. You cannot indulge, be players you're gone. Have a problem when you have a little performers surrounded by less gifted colleagues.

One of my all time favorite, maximum they learned from the history, entrepreneurship, comes from the founder four seasons, that excEllence is the capacity. Take pain. Tim rates one of the hardest decisions to determine how much pain you can adore, how far you can push yourself.

Everyone plays with pain. There's always something going on. Kobe has a finger that moves in all kinds of ways.

A finger isn't supposed to move. A Normal person would have IT surgically repaired, but that surgery would cost him nine months of basketball. People like kobe and Michael have a high tolerance for physical and mental pain. This is great quote and driven from within the Michael Jordan has and he's talking about suck out himself, but he using tiger wiz is another example. And he says, look around and just about any person or entity achieving at a high level has the same kind of focus.

The morning after tiger woods rally to be phil michelson at the four champions in two thousand and five, he was in the gym by six thirty A M to work out no lights, no cameras, no glitz or glamour and compromise. So this idea of you have to be uncompromised as something that joran repeated over over again in that book. The best way to summarize his mentality, as you have to be uncompromised in your, this is speaking, you have to be uncompromised in your level of commitment to whatever you are doing, or can disappear just as fast as that appeared.

So tim grover observed this when Michael still plying in the NBA, and tim was training. And he says that after every game, I used to ask Michael one question, five, six or seven, as in what time are we hitting the gym tomorrow morning? And he snap back a time.

And that was IT, no matter what had happened the night before. Good game, bad game, soreness, fatigue. He was up working out every morning while the other guys slept.

Interesting how the guy with the most talent and success spend more time working out than anyone else. Kobe was the same way. Kobe had an insatiable desire to work, and kobe had that from day one.

He says most guys on the day that drafted go out and celebrate. Kobe went to the gym. There's a great quote that I have saved a kobe brand.

I don't remember what's from. I think I might be a camera. I might be from mom mentality.

But kobe, if this is kobe, brian, on how he knew he was gone to win a lot of championships, IT was easy to say. This is kobe speaking. Now, IT was easy to size other players.

Open the N. B, A. I found that a lot of guys played for financial stability.

Once they got that financial stability, the passion, the work at that, and the obsessiveness was gone. Once I saw that, I thought, this is gonna like taking Candy from a baby. No wonder Michael Jordan wins all these fucked in championships.

And so in the same chapter, they talk about a lot. The workout of doing this is facing this. This may be my favorite idea in the entire book. Um i'm going to read to you and then i'm going to read the summary.

Now I have this note on myself, on my desk, to myself now, uh, for all michel's amazing moves and unforgettable moments, he knew that none of that could happen without the fundamentals, those basic moves that he practice over and over and over again. He worked on being consistent, and he worked on IT relentlessly. Michael john worked on consistency relentlessly.

And that's something I believe, and i'd learned that from just reading all of these biography, you see IT over and over again. I really believe that assuming that during a business is working, that time Carries most of the wait. And if that's the case, in the best thing you could do is work on consistency relentlessly over a long period time.

So I mentioned that quote earlier that, uh, Michael Jordan said in the last thing, that my game was my biggest endorsement, my dedication to the game, to all the other stuff. And the way I think about this is a season of, no, my friend jermy kfar m. Said that one, the most valuable things I could do, you should say no, that everything else is not making the podcast or growing the podcast, and is right about that very summer to what Michael Jordan would do every year on labor day.

So every year on labor day, a Michael would shut. Or by labor day, Michael would shut down everything outside of best, just train three, workout today, workout golf, workout lunch, golf break, workout dinner, bed everyday, no commercial suits, no promotional tours, no events, just work. Because he knew Better than anyone else that all the outside stuff was the result of hard work on the inside, not the other way around.

Show deals and commercials don't make you an icon. Being unstoppable make you an icon and being unstoppable only comes with hard work. My game was my biggest endorsement. My dedication to the game LED to all the other stop. Another trade that tim observed in both kobe and Michael is the fact that they have a hard time trusting other people or maybe not maybe they put this is like they trust themselves more than any else.

There's a great line in Michael o graphics um on episode twelve or says joran mostly believed in himself in mike he trusted all others were open to question and so tim has some ideas on why this is maybe the case. Trusting others is the same as giving up control and they usually have a painfully hard time with that. They have this in common.

At some point, they learned that they can only trust themselves. Maybe was a lesson they learn in childhood or something to happen later in life. But if force them to rely on the sheer power of their gut instinct, and they realized that the survival succeed, they could never take their hands off the wheel.

And finally, the last story from this book I want to share with you as, uh, this, a story about kobe is really on just having one focus. In fact, my home screen on my phone has been just as quote from the last days, and it's been this way for a long time. And he says a guy that was totally focus on one thing and one thing only, that was obviously reference to Michael.

This is kobe. Uh, everything kobe does is all about excEllent everything. Nothing else matters. Should you hear people say that all the time? I'll do whatever IT takes.

But kobe truly lives IT every detail of his life, every hour of his day, the lonely time he spends in the gym, the people he seeks out to help and maintain that excEllence. Everything, everything revolves around being on top and staying there. That's why we work so well together.

He has one focus, and I have one focus, or shared addiction to winning. And everything we do is about that one objective. okay.

So before I jump into the other book, the other book is the winning or is winning the unforgiving race to great test, I have to just share a couple of, I have a tone of these stories, mostly other Michael, some coby stories in her too. But i'm just addicted to like reading. I don't even know why.

I just I think about IT mics on apology extreme mindset just makes me laugh. I don't even know does he feels in very bizarre. And what's great is, you know, these stories happened way before the internet, and so the only time they would like tumble out was you'd be like a documentary or maybe a book or something like that, right? But now you have all these like athletes and former athletes and people play with Michael.

They go on pie cast and they tell all these crazy Michael Jordan stories. And so I collect these crazy Michael Jordan stories, usually from podcast. Sometimes there, you know, do written somewhere, but I just want to give you because he's just not Normal.

And so Stephen Jackson played for the show horns. He he played for Michael during the team when Michael on the right, and he told the hilarious story in the podcast. So i'm going to read a somebody else's summary about this story because I thought the stock summary was hilarious and IT just talks about the fact that, you know, this is not a north.

We're not. We're dealing with an the an outlier of an outlier. And so Stephen Jackson tells the story.

This is the summary because he's playing for Michael john, right? And he goes, and this is the summary of Stephen Jackson story. So this is not Stephen Jackson speaking.

This is the summer. okay? I completely understand why so many people think that might cause the greatest Normal human beings don't do like this.

While on a podcast, Stephen Jackson told the story about Michael Jordan, N. J. Was angry with the podcast for being so bad right there is losing games. He owns the team. He is super competitive. He says, like there's a there's a scene in the book and in the last days where you know, he they they they ask him where he playing in the ebay like you have a gambling problem and you laugh like a gambling problem.

I have a competition and in super competitive back then, he is still competitive to this day in kobe tells a hilarious story because he's like, you know he there is like his Michael during the most competitive you remedy I cousin i'm just as competitive with the best for the different mean and Michael, he he's competitive with everything which should that doesn't matter I think is the way could be put in and so he's like best yeah we go back and forth but he's like going to having a dinner of Michael one night and Michael, I go, what about my ninety one team over year two thousand and three I would picture s and and and kobe, like Michael, just for salad. Calm down or not going to have this debate. And so he just competed with everything.

And so go back. This I completely understand, and why so many people think he's the greatest Normal human being. Don't do shit cast.

Even Jackson told story, was angry with with his team for being so bad. So he came to the practice, took away all their Jordan gear. So given mind Jordan brand, right? The brand underneath his entire team, everyone.

The M, B A has, I think has a suffer. So you have like the shoes, you have all the work, the warm up gear, everything, right? So he came to the practice, took away all their Jordan gear and beat the starters with the second unit.

Keep in mind, M, J, within his fifties, and he came in wax. M, B, A, started with the bench. Think about the inner competitive drive that you have.

That first you you the link for a decade and half forever long, it's been you make them take off the close their clothes because you don't think they're worthy of your brand name then you take the the benches that have come with me and you play screamed five or five and you beat them. Stephen Jackson was telling that story. Stephen Jackson was one of the starters.

And he is telling the stories that that Michael, on his fifties, came back and wax. N, B, A, started the bench. That is one of the crazy stories we've ever heard.

And so I talked about, you know, that was for about a decade ago, maybe knew eight years ago that happen. Michael, still like this. There's a Young player, uh, john moran, I think, is how you pronounce name.

And he was not talking a lot of trash. And he was like, all Michael s, not that good. I would cook. M, J, that was a call from drama.

And this is M, J, S response in my third season, which is how the season that jr, and was in when he said that about Michael, right? I got on Better than him I would be in whatever the cases Michael goes. Member Michaels is like, damn ty when he's saying this.

In my third season, I average thirty seven points, and the next season I won my first M V P at a five. Show me where you can do, little boy, and stop treating. I just love this idea, but six year old mj, I say, show what you could do, little boy, and stop treating.

And so this, like, you know, supercomputing tive drive a fuelled in when he was Younger, still has this to this day. It's something that kobe, you know, i've told the story before the kobe stories because he is being interviewed, motor shop, and this is really the foundation of kobe. And this is the very beginning of kobe and Michael Jordan relationship.

You know, that they had, you know, I watched eulogy recently to prefer this podcast that Michael Jordan had a kobe memorial is that he was my little brother. Kobe would say the same thing. In fact, one of the last interviews he did was for the last stand in that episode, as I think the episodes or may be, and you know, kobe, so when I came into gue, Michael, I I questions about shooting turn around.

He gave me detailed answer. He said, if you ever been needed and give me a call so tim talks about the fact that that you get to Carry to give you a call because i'll call you like two, three. The morning over and over again, Michael talked about the ology too.

But what was fascine is the respect they had for one another. And where I originate from, where kobe is now retired, and he's like, listen, I truly hate having discussions about who would win one or one or fan saying, hey, you would be Michael. You're Better to Michael and kobe says something I love.

He's like, listen, I feel like, hey, what you get for me is from him. I don't get five championships without him because he guided me so much and gave me so much great advice. And part of that is tied to what I said earlier, is like my study of these extreme individuals, like the worthing you could do back down from them. And so phil Jackson coached both Michael Jordan, kobe brian mrs.

Retired to the time fill invites uh, Michael to lares practice and it's phil Jackson, Michael Jordan, a motor's shot in kobe brand and all sitting in the room and a mod is talking about in the series and I I read this piece that said he didn't chAllenge him or he didn't chAllenge you and that is never happen and he goes IT did happen because I was sitting right there at the table with you guys. And so one of the first things that kobe said to me is like you got your shoes and let me just read the transcript. Ir, and so, you know, a phil Jackson ask Michael if he wasn't doing the thing to come by practice and maybe play.

And Michael said to kobe, a yg, kobe, hey, maybe we can figure what you got. And then you said back, no, maybe i'll figure out what you got. And then Michael said, you can guard me.

And then you said, Michael, you can guard me. And then a mod asked kobe, how older you? Kobe response, twenty one years old.

And so Michael and a mod, when not believing, there is a silent moment, and as they are walking out in the hallway, he goes, men, I love that dude. He's a warrior and you loved you because you didn't back down. And Michael will do that on purpose.

He says in the last thing, if you're trying to maintain dominance over people, you don't want to give them a chance to gain any kind of confidence. And kobe had the same exact mentality. He says, mike, I both know there are certain players with that we can intimidate.

There are certain players that are afraid. But every now and then, you run into a player that has the same DNA that you do, the same compete competitive spirit that you do. And you quickly realize that the bullying and the trash talking is not gona work with this person.

And as you read about kobe a, you read about Michael, hear the story alive, that constant search for internally to find other things that keep their motivation up, to keep them like fully engaged, and they would be compete even in like meaningless exhibition games. So there's a former NBA player named any Johnson, and he has two hilarious stories into a mivins Jordan story. And then he tells i'm going to share one that he, uh, that he tells about Larry bird.

I'm a huge Larry bird fan. In fact, I have Larry bird automotive phy on my desk. I eventually make an episode on IT. But edie Johnson goes on a by gas and tells a story about Michael jorden and they're playing the balls in an exhibition game Michael comes up to before the game i'm going to give you.

And like every time I like down the guy, you have covered me like i'm going to give a i'm going to put forty points on them. I know I whatever and M J didn't like that. They doubt I think he goes bet two hundred dollars and add says I took the bed and tom took the bed.

So you know if if Michael doesn't score forty, he's going to give up foreign x. If he does score forty, he gets four hundred dollars and so edition tomer on the bench and they're watching the game and like, oh, this guy just started going to and he says time and I are looking at him like, this dude is just insane. And so short while later, he has like thirty eight points and he walks over to the bench.

He looks at home and eye and he says, get that money ready. He then catches the ball reverse pivott on him and he just tries to tear the rim up, tongue wagging in all he dumped, done him for the fifth point. And then he held up four hand for four fingers.

And his chance for four hundred. Nobody else knew what the four men right is. Michael IT, with. Each and is foregone right then he runs past us and says, I want my money and he checks himself at the game.

And so that was later in edie career, right? But when edi is a rocky he's playing against, I got to say he's labor's. So because I there's so many just like I collect Michael Jordan stories, I collected three birds stories just like a legendary trash talk.

I just think it's larrie. And so edy john is now telling you another story and this time it's on Larry bird because this I remember playing against Larry bird. IT was my second game of my career, and I am scared to death.

Larry bird walks over to me, stands next to me, and he leaned over, and he looks at me and he says, do you honestly think that you can guard me? I didn't say anything in response. So he goes over our bench and says, you made this rocky guard me.

I'm gonna bust him up and he says that right in my air. He says, i'm gonna wear your ask out. The game starts and he is wearing me out.

Later he comes up to me and he says, I bet you can do this. He raises up and shoot a long three point shot. It's an airball.

I just look at him and he says that don't matter. It's the fact that I can do that and stay in the game. I bet you can.

And so there's just a million of these like psychological warfare, psychological games that kobes uh, engaging and that Michael engaging. Dominy wilkins told another great story. They're about to play the balls, says Michael jorn walks into a ockram. He's got a suit tie on and were like, what the hell is going on here?

Like, why are you in my r locker room and so he walks up to me and says, lay, sum up, it's gonna be a long night and then he leaves and domestic like, what did he just come in our locker? He's, I didn't know what to say. I was completely shocked.

And then the punchline in the story was he had sixty that night. He had sixty points that night. And in this Michael Jordan story is the most recent one of chemical cross and its july element who played on the patriots.

And he's talking about this. He's router, plane, super table, right? It's a few days before he plays in super bowl, he sees Michael Jordan and dr. Gear having dinner together.

And so he goes up and introduces himself and says, hey, i'm playing in the super bowl and he says, could have been more different like Peter was welcoming and charming and john was really stand office. And so the conversation last a few minutes, but as the conversation about to end, Jordan says, hay kid, I got a bunch of money on you. Don't fuck IT up and adman says that was the only thing that he had said to me.

And I responded, yes, sir, mr. Jordan. And I think all these stories, besides the element one where, because he wasn't competing anything, which was literally batting on something, I think he understood what he was doing himself because you can go back and watch these views.

And there's another Jordan interview on a link IT down below and he says something is interesting and he's relatively Young. I think he's stop in playing in the N. B.

A. When he says, he says, a good competitor, always evaluate opponent, and you understand him for what he really is. You, you never try to give him confidence.

You try to take IT at all times. Mentally, i've gotto find a way. And sometimes you have to, which you have to do, you have to trick yourself.

You have to look inside yourself and find different types chAllenges from game to game. That's how I got myself motivated. And IT wasn't the same every game.

I had to find a focus to go out and play at a certain level. In that same interview, he says, I just feel my competitive drive is far greater than anyone else I ve ever met. I thrive on.

I think that is my motivation in life. I find certain competitions in life, and I try to overcome them. I feel confident about my competitive drive, and so i'm going to pick up the book winning.

And he tells you exactly what he trying to do. Why in the book is a bunch of, obviously, koby stories and here, a bunch of ma joran stories here, me trying to take you into the world. But they cut through competition, and so was very fast as he would ask all of these clients and people have wanted to be as clients, the same question like you describe, winning in one word.

And he says you'd be surprised at how many people will describe IT in very summer way. It's glorious. It's awesome. Amazing for c sea.

And is like what the weird thing is like, why the same description being lied over over again? And he thought that kobe was the only one that ever answered in one word. This way kobe's answered was everything.

And tim thought that was the best one word answer. He also thinks that Michael had the best description of winning that ever heard. So he says, I never asked mj, but he answered IT anyways.

In the last dance. In this one moment, he sums up everything he knew about his lifelong partnership with winning. His answer is more than a word, but it's worth everyone.

And so this is the quote from Michael Jordan that tim loved from the last dance. This Michael said, I pulled people along when they didn't want to be poked. I chAllenge people when they didn't want to be chAllenged, and I earn the right because my teammates who came after me didn't endure all the things that I endured.

Once join the team, you lived at a certain standard that I played the game, and I wasn't gonna anything less. Now with that man, I had to go there and getting your eyes a little bit. Then I did that you ask all my teammates.

The one thing about Michael jorn was that he never asked me to do something that he didn't fuck and do. When people see this, we're going to say, well, he wasn't really a nice guy. He may have been a tyre.

Well, that you because you've never won anything, I wanted to win, but I wanted them to win and be part of that as well. Look, I don't have to do this. I'm only doing IT because it's too I am that is how I played the game.

That was my mentality. If you, anna, play that way, then don't play that way. And then tim's interpretation of this is again why I think it's so valuable to remove ccea get there.

And so tim says, yes, winning is glorious and amazing and powerful and awesome and other things. But if you think that's all is then as M. J. Said, you've never won anything. It's the punishment he took from the other teams before becoming the greatest ever.

Play the game, the years of relevant pressure and scrutiny, everything he did, the single minded focus on one thing, winning championships, not just for himself, but for everyone around him. Winning can be glorious. But I can also fuckyou up.

This is why I said, I think the relentless are your book now, because like the dark side, the struggles know just the extreme trades and extreme things that happen to them in sacrifice. They said something, you know, something oranger alter entire life, just to win. I probably thirty highlights from this book, but this is my favourite line in the book.

Everyone wanted to be like mike. Mike did not wanna like anyone else. Every great creation and invention started with people who knew how to think and didn't allow themselves to be told what to think.

Remember that kobe code, I said that you know what you get from me. You know, I got from him. I don't get five champions without.

He got to me so much and gave me so much great vice him all because tim is training kobe after he trained mike, right? He said kobe would call or text mike in the middle night asking how he played in a certain guy, how we handle the situation, what he thought about this, that, and Michael would always answer these questions and help and learn. That is a major trade of the grades, by the way.

They want to pass along their knowledge so the next generation can keep learning. Going back to everyone wanted be like mike. Mike only wanted to be like himself. The grades figure out what works for them, regardless of what everyone else does. This is something that you'll see if you watched the last date, because if they show a bunch of examples where Michael is before a game, he's lacing up his shoes. And I didn't know this until I read the book that tim said that he had that Jordan had the most discipline game day routine that he's ever seen.

So says, and really when you read this, this happens over several pages, but the routine reduces the number of decisions, right? So if you all sorts, you just, you make routine things you just have to do all time, then you can actually focus on important things. A Michael planned and organized every detail as day, from the time of this workout to the car he drove to arena.

I knew what time and how long we were working out for his automobile. Ile manager knew which car he be driving and what time to have IT ready. The chef, the chef, knew exactly what he'd be eating and what time he needed IT served.

Part of his routine was the laces shoes before every game, fresh out of the box. This ritual had a special meaning. Tom, one day the team boss was delayed, so I went ahead and laser shoes exactly where he did.

Just save him some time. He refused to wear them. I had interfered red with his routine. He had the equipment manager get him a new pair unlaced, so he could lay them himself every time he warned up.

In practice, he started with a chess pass, the greatest player in the world, working on a basic chess pass. why? Routine, basics, fundamentals? If you can't master the fundamentals, you can't master anything.

Why was routine's own important time? Because they gain themselves are so unpredictable? His routine allowed him the mental freedom to focus on one thing, the complexity of the game.

And then one of most fascinating parts of the book was that he compared and contrast like talent. M. J. First hard work where Michael worked hard, but was more naturally talented, and kobe are worked harder but was less naturally talented.

And so he says, um he started working with kobe in two thousand and seven because kobi having problems with the knees cause mics like, what I should I do, Michael s like, go work with and so they start working out together and says kobe wanted to learn everything he could about mj. The program, the schedule, the workouts, the whole world team. He wanted to know about my goals, lifestyle, how reacted, certain situations, how we handle teammates and coaches, and anything else kobe could add to arsenal weapons.

He wanted knowledge, not so he become M, J, so he could become a Better kobe. Kobe never stopped. He was insatiable for game film. He also never slept.

So he said, you know, kobe with texas work and they he'd want to work out from my two in the morning, four, in the morning, three, I am all different times. And so tim says, I never slept during those years. I just napped because you never know when he'd ready to go back to work.

Mj knew, went to stop. Kobe, didn't you would never find M, J, on a court. F, A, M, he slept at night because he knew sleep was part of his training.

But above all, they had this in common. They each possess an unshakable confidence in themselves that never waive red. And you see this in this recruiting call, the balls asked Michael Jordan to be a part of member.

I said, remember that phone call between the pool and try places and bobbi night, hey, should we draft sample? I shall we draft Michael Jordan's like planet center, the bold's management asked Michael to be part of a conference call with sam boy, who was a free agent at the time. Everyone made their pitch to them about why he should join the balls and such a and then IT was mj turn, and he just said, sam, you comment or not, were winning with her, without you.

His belief in himself was so powerful that he never doubted the outcome. And that's something that they share with a lot of grades inside and outside of sports. In fact, same walton talked about having the same exact mentality when he was building lamer.

He said in his order before he dies says, never occur red to me that I might lose to me. IT was almost as if I had a right to win. Thinking like that often seems returning to some sort of self fulfilling profession.

And I think that relentless self belief is important and avoiding the following. Very few people willing or able to bet on themselves. They become the assistant manager of their own lives, waiting for direction in approval from some higher authority because they don't feel confident enough to make decisions and take action on their own.

Kobe and Michael, where the opposite, that and everybody around them knew this, this one, my favor micros early and career. In the early day's Michael career, a reporter asked his coach, dug Collins about his strategy for coaching the greatest player, the game. It's pretty simple, side Collins, give him the ball and get the fuck out of the way.

My goal elaborated on this mindset in the last night. My mentality was to go out and win in any cost. If you don't want to live that regimented mentality, then you just don't need to be a long side of me, because i'm going to rid cure you until you get on the same love with me.

And if you don't get on the same level, then it's going to be held for you. And this is a great explanation at that. When you're giving everything you have, making every sacrifice, devoting every party your life to winning, it's hard to tolerate anyone in your circle who isn't doing the same.

And so that's a key. It's not going around. And then being dictators, are you being jerk or assets to to everybody around them, you know you know most people would describe them this APP.

It's they're never asking somebody to do something that they are not doing themselves, that they're not first asking of themselves. And so this this is very I mean, I I want million notes like post notes in this book because are so many times I am reading both of them. And like all this is like the Steve jobs of vague story, and it's one of my favorite stories because I really illustrates Steve jobs mentality more anything else.

And I was told after the away. And john y. Eve is giving a an interview, I think, with a vanity fair from member correctly. And you know, he says, one time they're having the design meeting, this is like maybe a year two before still passes away.

And you know, to be on the design team, you have to be like, you know the best of the best already and see ve just lit into them. He was not happy about the performance. He did not think he was excelling enough.

And everybody leaves and Stever and and joining or by themselves and he's, hey, you know, we like, you know, just toned IT down a little bit. Think about his to deliver the message perrache now. And Steve goes on. I'm disappointed you. I didn't like you're vain and chance like, wow, that's like why you infortunate why economy event he's like, I thought the work was the most important, that the quality, the work is more important anywhere else.

The fact that that you're worried about the delivery or other people's feelings mean that that in Steve's opinion, Steve ja opinion, that now other people's of painting, other people's feelings are more important than the work, and you just want people to like you and so therefore your vain and john y was taking back up for a while kind of insult IT or maybe her brothers and then you realize he's right. Like we say, the work is more important. So therefore, that has to come or that has to be a higher priority than anybody's feelings.

And there's a line in this book, that one line that made me think of that story, his tim is talking about kobe and Michael. He says their minds were stronger than their feelings. And so this extreme dedication to excEllence was knowing for the teams is but everybody around them, too.

And so one thing about Michael Jordan and I going to read a story from driving from within, i'll pick up in one minute. And so there's two main things jump out of that are related to things that you and I ve talked on the past, one that you can write defense, uh, when you're with Michael Jordan that give me a story from driven with from within. And then is a great quote by bill walsh.

SHE wrote that excEllent book, the score takes her itself. He says, champions behave like champions before their champions. And so tim is on the story.

The very first time that he meets Michael, he gets to the house ringing the bell. Michael jorn opens the door. He an head on full. Nike, remember, this is probably eight eighty, has one champing chips. He has this deal.

Nike has no idea, no idea what's in the future, right? The fact that this this deal loans going to make one hundred to million dollars in income every year. We worth billions of billions of dollars, if you ever wanted to sell back to them.

But he's already in full nike year, looks down at tim shoes and sees tim is wearing commerce shakes stairs of them, shakes ahead. They have the meeting at the end. As tim walks out, he took another look at his converse and he says, never again.

And then he shuts the dore him OK. So i'm going to put down the winning book. I am going to pick up driven from within, which is the the autobots phy are the first thing that Michael has an and this guy is telling the story.

His name is fred White Whitefield. And he's like like son Michael whole being is all about loyalty in winning. And he really feels that you can write the fense.

And so fred is close with Michael and is skinning. Ralph was a player who had a puma contract and not a nike contract and says they were friends. Puma would send him a bunch of you know, clothes and also and choose and Michael did.

And nike would turn the same thing like, so half of his cause IT is to a half of IT is naked. So Michael comes to the apartment and were getting ready to go out. He says, hey, it's kind of cold.

Can I borrow on your jackets? And I said, sure, go my closet. He went in there and he saw everything separated out.

He's in there a little longer than necessary, and he comes on my room. He's taken all of my pom of stuff out, brought IT into the living room and layer on the floor. He goes into the kitchen, gets a butcher knife and literally cuts up everything.

This was like his second or third year in the league. He literally took a butcher knife to my shoes, ripping and cutting. When he's all done, he picks up every little scrap and walks down the duster.

He says, hey, do call Howard from nike tomorrow and told to replace all this, but don't ever let me see you in anything other than nike. You can't write the fence. That is how Michael thinks.

And so in the story on about to read, from the winning book to, he says, like he pursued Victory in everything. He pursued Victory in everything. That's the way I think about him so you know she's tim is right.

You're going to be my trainer now, but don't ever come around here in converse like you. You're on my team, then i'll be loyal to. And if not, like it's very black, right with them, right? You also said that you have to keep up with them.

Member, this whole thing like how we were talking for a very long time now. And every time coben Michael saying anything i'm not coming down to your level that's not happening, you will rise to mind, right? He and so he says keeping up was the central, if you're part of M.

J. S. World, that was non negotiable. And the very first time I ever travel with them, he was taking his empire personal teams.

So he's got, you know, a chef. Uh, all these people that are, in fact, they make this point later on that this is not luxury. These are business partners, which is a great line.

But i'll get there. A so he's got he's he got a security. He's got a chef, he's got a trainer. They're all coming and he's a good to me. Meet at my house and then will travel to the airport from there, but every driving their own car.

And so M J jumps into his for me and he says, everyone, you Better keep up now tim is driving his father's nineteen eighty seven. Sterling is like, this is not the fastest cover made, but I somehow man support at the same time he did. There was no way I was going to fall behind.

I drove on the shoulder, I ran a red lights. I drove on and off exit ramps. Anything I could to keep in my site.

I do not recommend this. I'm just told you what happen. Everyone else was this late.

And of course, my girl l let them hear about IT. Keep up. That was this directive for everyone around him in everything he did.

We all knew we do not compromise. We do not take shortcuts. We do not make excuses.

Keep up with me and my standards. Are you out? He pursued victime everything.

He was unapologetically extreme. A lot of people know he's relentless. You can come that people called ruthless they would have in chicago. They're during the summer, they'd run these pickup games at teams. gm.

right? And you'd have people all, you know some M, B, A players coming over, some college players, always other people, and did they just play? Pick up.

And it's a very hot day. Some new guy who is trying extremely hard to impress Michael, he got overhead and he collapsed to write in front, like in the middle game. And so we call nine one one.

Tim is giving him C, P, R, while away, away for an ambuLance. And he feels like a present over. And it's M, J, like covering over room.

And the guy opens the eyes, slowly, sits up, looks around these, Michael dorn standing over. Michael looks down and asked him, is he okay? And I go.

He's alive. Michael says, are you good? The kid looks up and smiles weekly.

He says, yesterday, i'm good. Mico response, good. Go get a sub. I got a game to win.

And the pointless, sorry to me, is like, oh, this like ruthlessness is a relentlessness. This addiction to competition. IT doesn't matter if there's no stakes, right? It's a play up play. It's a pickup game during the summer.

IT is practice, but IT isn't that just like the story, the age Johnson, where he's like i'm going to bit forty points of this guy and exhibition game, most starters are even playing in the game. I don't see an off switch with when i'm reading about Michael cove, I am study Michael cove. I just don't see an off switch.

And I don't think there's very different from no emotional found vital mentor of Steve jobs higher see jobs in his nineteen years. I go and see jobs has one speed and that speed is go. And what's interesting between Michael and kobe and Steve jobs is they were about like measuring the fundamentals and trying to get like they were addicted, like simplicity.

And I think one of there are reasons. So there's a great line in this book that is just talking about my goal and copies approach but I think it's really um Steve jobs approach maybe the best book that ever a taught. This was a this book called creative selection by the skinning can kosan a i've read the book three times.

It's episode two eighty one. If you haven't listening, i'm going to read the book and do another broadcast on over over again. I love that book, but because IT goes into the can was a programmer who worked directly or Steve jobs and he demo to among multiple occasionally so you get real insight to how he was like thought about putting products and buildings organization.

But there is something that is very so much I see now, it's their approaches, whereas stop adding, start deleting, winning demands. Total focus delis IT easier to clip amount with a waited vest and full pack, or just with the essentials. And I think this, like with lenders, dedication to focus well on the location is implicity relented.

Dedication to the fundamentals. IT just helps them get to where they're going faster because they have one focus. And there's a huge theme.

I don't if I i've hit on enough is there are they're never gonna be. They're just they're never complacent. There's interview with the Michael dorn gave where he says, I never feel that I am my best.

I feel I still have room to improve. I still set goals for myself to start for I ve never complacent with what i've achieved, even though it's been very successful. Me, I still feel I have a lot to prove. I still feel I have a lot to prove. So I never really to complete myself whatever achieved.

Kobe mentioned this, kobe Michael Brown in capable of complacency, right? And so kobe mentions this in that interview with alexa, is where he says, you know, when he tells people that if the next twenty years of his life isn't Better and he doesn't achieve more than the last twenty years, he would consider that a failure. And people will tell kobe, like, you know, when you say that that's crazy, you it's disrespect to what you accomplished.

Basketball and kobe's responses was perfect. And kobe's point was like, I wouldn't achieve those things without that mindset. That ideas like, okay, you cheese something great, then you move on and you do IT again, and you move onto the next thing and you chief something, and then you move on and you do IT again and again forever.

And then one thing that IT appears over north gan is the the the commitment of reinvestment that Michael and kobe would make. Uh, reinvestment in education and constantly training and learning uh from people that can be for them, for people that anyway they can help them, right? But also in like what is getting you to that the pinch of your profession anyways and in their case is physical.

So this is what imagine early like these are not luxuries. These are business partners. I love that framing.

I'm always amazed in the media report on the super star athlete who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars or even more on their training and health as if that's a look. If that's a look, they have a chef, they have a mosse. He's got a whole gym in a basic card in his house.

Those are not luxuries. Those are business partners. And then related to that is why they spend so much time learning and honing their craft.

They can take everything away from your house, your money, your close, your car. But one thing they can take is your education. And what you've learned.

And the one thing you can count on, if you do indeed lose everything, is that education. And imagine earlier that micon, tim, we talk about the self doubt, the butterflies, you know, the nervousness that would happen for a game. Those people are performing well, not be an absence of fear, but in spite of IT.

And so there's another example of kobe saying the same thing. Kobe says, I have self that, I have self doubt. I have insecurity. I have fear failure.

I have nights where I show up to the reno like my bad is my feet ter my neeter I don't have IT tonight. I just wanna chill. We all have self doubt.

You don't deny IT, but you also don't expect to IT. I love that you do not capital to yourself debt. You embrace IT.

And towards the end of this book, tam is reflecting on his relationship. Kobe was written after kobe died. And I I think this is a very important lesson.

He says copy's in patients was legendary. The biggest mistake we make in life is thinking that we have time. The longer takes time to capture your wins the last time you have to enjoy them.

And that's the bigger thing. We don't know how much time we have. The bigger mistake we have in life is thinking, we have time. You can see this in one of the last interviews, kobe did he talk about the next twenty years of his life, he had no idea.

And I hate even saying in those words, I hate the fact that this is even real because I want so much time studying him and learning from him, and he spent so much time and inspire. I think that take away that tim has ad. The biggest mistake we have in life is thinking that we have time.

And so I think the perfect place. And this is exactly how Michael ended the last episode of the last dance. He was talking about his entire journey.

He says, IT started with hope. IT started with hope. We went from a shady team to one of the all time greatest dynasty.

All you needed was one little match. Just start the whole fire and a little match that helps ignite my inner fire. Exactly what spending time reading, learning and watching Michael Jordan kobe brand have done for me.

That is where I leave IT for the full stories, highly recommend buying both the books. I will leave the both the links for both books in the show notes. If you buy the books using that link, you'll be supporting the packets at the same time.

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And the last thing I was with a line that was in the epsom that you just listen to, that they were describing kobe and Michael. They're like the great. Never stop learning all the hours of work that they do have created as unstable internal resource that you can draw on in any situation.

They were referencing, in fact, that kobi Michael were constantly watching game tape. I think we've listened to founder protest, and I said this multiple times. I think listening from practices like watching game tape of his grades, founders, and I think reading founders notes is an even deep version of that since the majority of my notes and highlights don't make IT into the podcast.

And so a bunch of people that have signed up for front set me like there's a tony of notes and highlights here that aren't even on the podcast. And so since I work in founders note every day and i've been using and adding to this database is a search able data base of all my highlights and notes since two thousand and eighteen, that was obvious to me, but i'm like a fish in water. And so I was realized like, oh, I should, probably dell people that founders notes is even deeper than founders points.

I consider founders. I just like the free trial to founders notes. If you want to set up for founder notes, you go to founders to stock com.

That's founders with a as founder notes com. But IT is a deeper version of the podcast, since the majority of my notes and highlights don't actually make IT into the pocket. Actually majority is probably not the right way. But you go going to mean a bunch of notes and highlights are in founders notes that are that never appear on actual podcast.

And so this is on my mind when I was listening back to the Jordan kobe episodes as I go, there is an MBA equivalent of founders obvious that Jordan kobe would have signed up for IT and use that as a tool in that six hundred page 8 gravier kobe。 I reference this fact in that. And in this episode that he used to describe to the service that would send you V H S tapes of N B A games.

And then he did this so much to hear a closet for of microscope. And then when you listen to their interviews and you read their words micon, kobe would talk about over over again that they saw advice from the great players that came before them. And I really do believe that reading founders notes gives you the ability to do that exact same thing.

But you're doing you for hashem, greatest founders. And I can say that because i've been doing this for myself. This was a tool up until last few month.

You can even access that. This was a tool I was building internally for myself. If you listen to the J Z. Episode that I republished last a couple days ago.

Actually, there's a reference I had listened back to that episode too, right? I make fon spot cast for its tool for me as well as for you or it's like, okay, I may not be able to reread these books in the future, but I can go back and listen to, like, I haven't read jc s autobots phy since I made that episode two years ago, but I listened to that to to that episode. I oh like all these ideas came back to the forefront of my mind.

And in there, in that episode, I reference the fact that I have this daily practice, because J, Z. Talk about the importance of practice and imports of practice comes up over and over. Ghan and Jordan will talk about IT.

Kobe would talk about IT. And in that jc. Episodes like, well, my daily practice is actually reading and rereading my notes and highlights that I put in this gigantic search able database in this APP called to read wise.

And because I talked about read wise so much, I went to other people's podcast, talked about, I talked about my own podcast. A bunch of people over the years have asked to get access. They're like, I want access to your advise.

I want to read your notes. I want to read your highlights. And so few months ago, I I actually contacted the founders of read vice because they listen to the podcasts as OK.

Why are we partner? I want to build my own version, right? Like i'm not building a new version to read wise.

I want to build a version where if you sign up at founders notes com, you see exactly what I see, which means you see my notes and my highlights, and then you have all the features that I have, which is the ability to to search through this. And so founder notes exist because so many people listen to founders podcast, asked for a way to go deeper. So that's execute.

Ted is now there is no thing that i'm doing right now for a limited time only that came because people ask over and over again. It's like a David, this is a great thing that successful people listen. The people didn't listen.

Don't last long. I love that line. And i've thought about that a lot since I read IT for the first time you two and a half years ago. As David, maybe you should take when Michael l's advice and listen because a bunch of people and sending me messages, okay, can you build a version of founders first? All they told me, hey, you should build you your own version, revise, which I did for founder notes.

The second thing they asked is like, hey, is a way you could do this where there's no ongoing suggestion, like, can I just pay once and have access forever? And so i've been testing that over the last I don't know, like two weeks or something that the responses been incredible. And when I realized is why they asked, that is one that means that if you sign up now, you get access to every single highlight and note that i've ever done and ever will do.

That makes me even more powerful. So that then founder becomes a tool that you can actually use your entire career to tap into the collective knowledge of history. s. Greatest entrepreneurs.

And so Michael Jordan version of that for his craft would be watching T, V, watching NBA games on T, V, right? Kobe bryant version of that, the being in his care was he actually got tapes. But as technology keeps improving, IT gets easier and easier to tap into the collective knowledge of his case entrepreneurs.

And I don't think there's an no tool in the world that can help you achieve that, that Better than founders notes us. And right now, IT has all the features that have been using forever. But because i'm working so closely with the team, read wise, and we have dedicated engineers in this now, i'm developing features that no one else has anywhere.

So there's give me a lot of updates that are coming to founders. And so soon I will go into more detail on this as they become alive. I'm testing them myself, but I wanna just give you a sneak peek because i've become obsessed with a bunch of these new features that have been testing that aren't live yet, but will be.

And the good news is, is that if you sign up now, you get access to all these features are just going to keep adding them all the new features and all the improvements for free. So right now, this minute you can access all my notes and highlights. You can search by keyword, by person, by subject, by idea.

Any keyword you can possibly think of, you can search that's available right now, right? You can read all my highlights notes by book. It's amazing how much you can learn by rereading my highlights notes of us of a particular book.

You should take no five, ten minutes. The third way that you can browse my highlights too. And don't worry about remembering this. If you sign up, you'll get all of in the welcome email. I go into detail how I use IT, but I do want to give you an overview here.

So third ways that you can browse my highlights and say you can have the notes presentative in a random order on this thing called the highlights feed those three ways. That's how i've use this tool for years. And I couldn't make the podcast without IT.

But i'm not going to stop there because, again, i'm building the tool for myself. And so as I keep doing this eight years into this project, no, we just say three hundred and forty books i'm going to consent, need to develop more and more tools. So I can remember all of the the lessons that you and I are learning on this giant mission to condense and clarify the collective knowledge of history is create founders.

So soon you'll also be able to search every single transcript from every single episode. Already have this feature. Another feature that I have, you'll be alive for everybody soon.

The founder gp t like chatbot, AI interface. That's not what can be called. I ve got to figure out what this can be called.

I called super search, because I really do feel like this is search on steroids. So you can search as semantic ally. And IT is actually been making connections that I have even missed.

So i've been asking them to essentially like I want to build like mental models and I already do this reading, but it's our way to do is like, okay, tell me all the important things that you know about andreoni career, or tell me one of the most important ideas, edin landhaus, are, what are the similarities ties between kobe and Michael, an example. And so what this AI chapo t does is IT goes through all my nose, my highlights on my transcripts, and it'll show you what IT fetches. That's determinate users where it's like, okay, I read these fifty highlights and I summarize IT in these six border points.

And so if you want a long in deaf version, you can read all the city highlights on the notes so you can just go to here's the you know T, L, D, R version of that. Another features that i'm working on as well. I want bullet point summaries for all the key ideas on every episode.

We are all busy. I want to get right to the point. And then another idea is going to take a long time.

But another idea is I want a collection of ideas organized by theme across every book and episodes, instead of learning by person, right? As what we on each individual episode we learned, like today, we learnt about my goal, kobe. There might be themselves in their a rockfeller AWS.

The many focus on Robert a is on kobe, almost Robert, and set a rockfalls. The main focus on koby Michael. But instead of learning by person, I want all on one page.

And again, this is what I want. I'm very selfish. I want this for me because not just good enough me to learn IT want. I want this in my memory, for the very idea reason that they covered in one of these books to great, never stop learning.

And all the hours of work that you do have created this unstoppable internal resource that you can draw in any situation as a scription of coben, Michael. But I want that my life. And so what I would love to see is like, okay, I want a collection of ideas, organic by theme, right across every book and all on one page.

And so for for examples, like, I want to know how all of his his Grace founders that we've covered IT up until this point, how do they think about topics, different topics, marketing, distribution, managing how to fire people, how to think about product element on and on and on and on. And so my very, very long term, again, i'm going to be doing founders. This is my life work.

I think it's obviously in the podcast I wanted do founders for as long as I have a voice. And founders notes is the tool that i'm building right alongside that to fulfill my life work. And so over time, what I really wanted to be is not just my notes and highlights, which thereby itself, it's crazy value, right? But over time, I wanted to become this ever increasing giant, valuable curriculum that condenses and clarifies the collective knowledge of history greatest sfd ders.

And so that is the long term plan right now for a limited time only. If you are interested if you were one of these people that are interested in not having an ongoing description that you want to pay ones that you're in forever, which would mean that founders becomes a tool that you use your entire career to tap into the collective knowledge of his sugar entrepreneurs do not delay. Time is limited.

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As always, thank you very much for the sport. Thank you very much for listening. I'm going to go read a book. I'll give you a hand.

You you party, you party already figure out who he says, but there may never have been in american that was wealthier if you figure out their wealth in relation to the money supply. So that is the hint on the book that i'm reading right now. Hold for the podcast we done know for five days.

I will put IT out as soon as that is done. In any case, thank you very much for listening. I hope you sign up a foundation. I will talk to you again soon.