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#149 Open Weights != Open Source with Google Engineer and Stanford Researcher Yifan Mai

2024/11/8
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Quincy Larson:即使在人工智能领域,扎实的软件工程基础仍然至关重要。未来AI技术的发展可能导致一些工作岗位的消失,但同时也会创造新的就业机会。持续学习和提升技能对于适应未来的劳动力市场至关重要。 Yifan Mai:他从谷歌TensorFlow团队离职,转而从事斯坦福大学的AI研究,更像是一位工程师,热衷于构建工具来支持科研人员。他认为学术界和工业界的职业道路差异很大,动机和激励机制也不同。美国学术界有固定的职业路径,而工业界则更为灵活。他目前在斯坦福大学的角色是通过编写开源软件和维护基础设施来支持科研人员。他喜欢构建供他人使用的工具,现在他为学术研究人员和开源用户构建工具。研究工程师/研究软件工程师帮助研究人员完成研究工作,弥补研究人员在软件工程方面的不足。在研究领域,好的软件工程实践可以显著加速研究进程。科研人员的激励机制主要在于发表论文,而非编写高质量的软件。研究人员的成果主要通过影响力来衡量,这在很大程度上取决于特定领域。在AI领域,软件的实际使用情况也成为衡量研究影响力的一个指标。 Quincy Larson:他认为Yifan的工作更像是为科研人员提供支持,类似于数据工程师的角色。科研人员在软件工程实践方面存在不足,例如,在网页应用中加载过大的JSON文件。采用React等现代化前端框架可以显著提升网页应用的性能和可维护性。科研人员的激励机制主要在于发表论文,而非编写高质量的软件。他认为,如果只衡量研究成果而不考虑代码的可重用性和可维护性,那么研究效率将会受到影响。他与许多博士生和博士后以及教师合作,发现许多研究人员的成果衡量标准是研究的影响力,这在很大程度上取决于特定领域。在AI领域,软件的实际使用情况也成为衡量研究影响力的一个指标。大型语言模型的权重(参数)是模型的核心组成部分,开源权重意味着模型可以本地运行和实验。闭源模型阻碍了研究社区对模型的深入研究和实验。Meta发布的Llama模型缩小了开源模型和闭源模型之间的差距。但“开源权重”和“开源”的概念有所不同,前者仅指模型参数的开放,后者则包含模型代码和训练数据的开放。大型语言模型的训练数据中可能包含受知识产权保护的材料,其伦理和法律框架尚不明确。

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Why did Yifan Mai leave Google to work at Stanford?

Yifan Mai left Google to work at Stanford because he wanted to focus on research and build infrastructure that supports scientific researchers, rather than being on the faculty track or publishing research himself. He enjoys being close to research and enabling other researchers through open-source software.

What is the HELM project, and what does it aim to do?

The HELM project, led by Yifan Mai, is a research initiative that benchmarks the performance of large language models (LLMs) across various tasks and use cases. It provides a standardized and transparent framework for evaluating models, allowing users to compare their performance on different benchmarks and use cases.

What is the difference between open weights and closed weights in LLMs?

Open weights refer to models where the parameters (weights) are available for anyone to download and run locally, such as Meta's LLaMA. Closed weights, on the other hand, are models like OpenAI's GPT or Google's Gemini, which are only accessible through the company's API or services, and the parameters are not publicly available.

What are some challenges in evaluating LLMs, particularly in high-stakes domains like medicine or law?

Evaluating LLMs in high-stakes domains like medicine or law is challenging because it requires domain-specific benchmarks and expert evaluation. For example, medical advice given by an LLM needs to be assessed by a real doctor, and legal advice requires verification against existing case law. These evaluations are complex and often require human judgment, which is difficult to automate.

What is the 'win rate' concept in the HELM project, and how is it calculated?

The 'win rate' in the HELM project is a metric that measures the probability of one model performing better than another across a variety of benchmarks. It aggregates results from multiple benchmarks to give an overall sense of how models compare to each other in different tasks.

What are some potential harms of LLMs, according to Yifan Mai?

Yifan Mai highlights several potential harms of LLMs, including the generation of harmful outputs like instructions for building bombs or political disinformation. There are also concerns about bias, fairness, and labor displacement, as well as the ethical implications of using AI in high-stakes applications like unemployment benefits processing.

How does Yifan Mai see the future of AI in terms of accessibility and distribution?

Yifan Mai is optimistic about the future of AI accessibility, particularly with the improvement of smaller, more efficient models that can run on consumer-grade hardware like MacBooks. He believes this will make AI more evenly distributed, though he remains concerned about who gets to decide how the technology is used and the power dynamics involved.

What advice does Yifan Mai give to aspiring AI engineers or programmers?

Yifan Mai advises aspiring AI engineers to focus on building strong software engineering fundamentals, including programming, software engineering practices, and foundational knowledge in AI, such as probability and statistics. He believes these fundamentals will be crucial regardless of the specific AI technologies that emerge in the future.

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This chapter explores the narrative of LLMs replacing jobs, particularly in programming. It emphasizes the enduring value of strong software engineering fundamentals, even within the AI field, highlighting the importance of understanding core concepts like probability and statistics.
  • LLMs are not expected to entirely replace programmers.
  • Software engineering fundamentals remain crucial, even in AI.
  • Strong foundations in probability and statistics are essential for AI professionals.

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On this week's episode of the podcast, freeCodeCamp founder Quincy Larson interviews Yifan Mai, a Senior Software Engineer on Google's TensorFlow team who left the private sector to go do AI research at Stanford. He's the lead maintainer of the open source HELM project, where he benchmarks the performance of Large Language Models.

We talk about: - Open Source VS Open Weights in LLMs - The Ragged Frontier of LLM use cases - AI impact on jobs and our predictions - What to learn so you can stay above the waterline

Can you guess what song I'm playing in the intro? I put the entire cover song at the end of the podcast if you want to listen to it, and you can watch me play all the instruments on the YouTube version of this episode.

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