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Send us your stories. Send us your problems. Today's subject line, friends find out they were included in AI-generated porn. My personal nightmare. Hi, ladies. Long-time fucker. First time writing in. Listening to the stories everyone emails in has been something I look forward to every week. Fellow fuckers, you have no idea how many folks might be going through what you are going through. There have been some weeks the advice from Kurt and Christina was exactly what I needed to hear. So thanks for sharing your stories and seeing Kay for the words of advice.

However, I don't believe I've heard anything like this one. Long story very short, I have an acquaintance whose divorce has been put on blast because his wife found AI-generated porn on his computer that included the faces, likeliness of their colleagues and friends, including some of my work colleagues. Oh, that's a fun combo. What's in that folder, honey? Yep, just as creepy as it sounds.

Yeah, I mean, guys, I feel like guys jerk off to your boyfriend or husband is going to jerk off to your friends more than he's going to jerk off to porn at this point. That's I feel from my understanding, the deep fakes weren't circulated or uploaded anywhere. And his wife let everyone who she recognized know that they were included in it. I don't think that was a good idea. I don't think so either. I could probably could if I was one of the gals, I probably could have gone without knowing that. Yeah, it could have just been deleted because as long as it's not circulated, I mean, like the larger issue here is it's like a whole thing.

it's like a revenge porn kind. Like, does it, is it revenge porn? Isn't it? Because the person didn't consent to having their face in it. Like it is very messy. But yeah. How can you be controlling people's fantasies? But then when they make their fantasy, an actual digital, I'm going to say art piece, but it's not art. Yeah. I mean, if it was circulated, I would sue. Yeah. No, no questions asked. Um, but like privately it's like, okay, well you,

if you just didn't tell everyone. Yeah, it's either in your head or it's in your head and then you ask an AI app to make it happen. But then you have to upload photos of the people.

Ew. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's gotten really messy. Yeah. I mean, people make deep fakes like of me all the time, but not sexual ones. Just like me as Wednesday Addams. Did I show you the guy that said, I always wonder what you and Karim would look like naked and here you go. And he sent us a picture of me and you naked. No. I got so mad. Oh my God. I got so mad. Anyway, it's gotten really messy. Jokes on him. The fake one was probably better. Yeah.

We looked great. We did look great. Our tits were perky and... Guess that's not what I look like after I just ate a block of Velveeta cheese that I cooked in a crock pot for two hours. I should have responded to that photo with an AI version of us just like downing Taco Bell. Mm.

With guts. With guts. Fear guts. Shit. Ah, hindsight, right? Anyway, okay, so it's gotten really messy. I can't imagine how violated they feel. And it's deeply disturbing. This is the reality we live in. Also, like, boo, is your imagination that weak that you can't just fucking picture it?

Yeah. When I heard the story, it did make me think, what would Corinne and Christina think of AI porn for private use? That's a tricky one. My thought is we shouldn't know about it if everyone just shuts the fuck up. It's like if you work at a shoe store and you have a foot fetish, if you shut the fuck up about it and you're not weird. Correct. Yeah, put my shoe on. Thanks. Have fun in your head. I don't give a shit. That's how I feel too. Don't make me feel uncomfortable. Everyone needs to shut the fuck up.

that is the motto of 2025. Everyone needs to shut the fuck up, which is really hard when you're running for mayor. Yeah. Well, you can't shut the fuck up. I can't. There has to be some voices for the people. Brynn Fisher. Uh, what advice would you have for someone who finds out they were included in AI generated porn? I'm sure this instance,

and what Megan Thee Stallion went through won't be the last we hear of it. So who knows who might need to hear your voice on it this week. I'm going to step in and say what we're going through and what Megan Thee Stallion is going through are not the same things. I mean, there's some similarities. I'm going to step in right now and say this is not at all on the same level of what Megan Thee Stallion went through.

I'm assuming she was in an AI generated porn and it got circulated. I actually didn't even know that. She got shot, which was shot in the face. That was seemed more pressing. Yeah. That, that one, I would remember more. The, the AI porn got buried. Yeah. I mean, by F if you get shot in the face, by the time someone makes AI porn about you, you're just happy to be alive and have that hot face back. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, I'm sure this instance and what Megan Thee Stallion went through won't be the last we hear of it. Thank you for everything over the years, including the happy birthday video and the voicemail you sent me many years ago. That boyfriend who got a hold of you to request them is my husband now. Our nine-year anniversary is this September. Wait, I was just thinking, is that the guy that asked us and then complained? When you were telling me the story from earlier today, I was making a thought of that. I don't think it was that guy. I don't know. I don't really know, though. I don't either. I don't know.

Um, well, I know you don't, you don't really have thoughts on like if somebody generated AI porn of you and circulated it, how would you feel? Oh, that's disgusting. And I would sue them. Yeah. Yeah. It's gross. Yeah. I mean, it's like you, you can sue them, right? Uh, it depends. I believe what state you live in. I think the, uh, the porn law is state by state.

California was one of the first, but that's because celebrities, you know, most celebrities live there. And I think revenge porn started being a thing. I mean, do I want to say it was like the black China, like Rob Kardashian is one of the first kind of things I heard about. I think if I'm pulling from my memory correctly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, there's.

There was a yes, I was remembering this right. There's a thing with Taylor Swift where people were making it of her. And then there was a bill introduced last February that would make it illegal on a federal level. Yes. Wow. OK, so you go. Well, there you go. Because they had started doing it state by state like, yeah, several years ago. So I'd be curious to federal if you make it and don't circulate it. Is it still illegal? No.

I would guess if your computer had to be seized for an additional – like some reason and they found that, then that would be, yes, a hit against you. But your computer would have to be seized. So as long as you didn't do anything else, there should be no reason your computer is getting – like if your computer is getting seized, you did something extremely bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so –

That, like, if you had, you know, bestiality or, yeah, exactly like child stuff on there, that then you would get a hit for every single one you had. Ugh. Three strikes, you're out, baby. Yeah, I would absolutely... I mean, I would lose my shit. And this is something that, like, you can't control somebody else doing. You can't control what people fantasize about, but...

I'm sorry. Like men get not all men, but like you can't, it's just got it. You don't allow yourself to do this. Like just think about it in your head. Think of what it would be like to fuck the person you want to fuck in your head. Like other people do. It's not that hard. Well, men are just so used to having ownership over women's bodies that I don't even think the, like they are understanding the,

That this is like a loss of autonomy. I don't even think it's, they're thinking that all the way through. They're just like me, like booze, but it's, but it's like, okay, you have to use your brain better. You have to. Yeah. Like I know your brain, I know your brain works. Yeah. You've ran the world for up until now and it's not, it's not going great.

Unless you're a part of the Eagles team. Hey, go birds. Go birds. Am I right? Oh, yes. Congratulations. Thank you. Oh, what a game. What a game. Ivy was there. It was kind of boring because the Eagles just won so hard. Easily. Oh, so hard. But I remember when we went to the Super Bowl at Mike Cox's house. I do. However many years ago the Eagles were playing. That was only two years ago. That was 2023. I thought so. I was like, let's see who

two or three. Yeah, because it was the same Super Bowl lineup 2023. Oh, right. The Chiefs. Yeah, it was Chiefs-Eagles. Yeah, last year was Chiefs-49ers. Right. The Chiefs are in it a ton. The Eagles are also in it a ton. It's like the same couple of teams who end up going, you know. And the Eagles, last time they won was like 2018, I think. Yeah, they only won one other Super Bowl title. This is their second ever Super Bowl title. Oh, really? Because I was like, it was pretty recently. This is their second ring, yeah. Yeah, go for it.

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And we live on a very quiet street in Long Island City, very quiet. But there is a bar across the street that's only open certain days but not late because it's a sports bar because it was a Super Bowl. There's all these people out. We were going to bed at like midnight, something sensible like that. And I just heard – I was trying to meditate in my headphones and I heard just like women screaming, screaming, screaming. And Colin had gotten up and was looking and I saw him go, oh, shit. And I was like, what? And so I got up.

And this chick was punching the shit out of her boyfriend. Oh, in a way, you know, those such like a type of situation where your flight or flight, uh, fight or flight instincts are, are, are, are sparked. Uh, you kind of, you could say you could predict how you think you would act, but you don't really know. And I, and I will say, I, I like open my window and I was like, Oh my God, she was, yo, this girl, it's like she took boxing classes her whole life. She punched her.

And I got so mad. I'm like, don't you fucking touch. I got just as mad as if it was a guy punching a girl. And I was like, that's good. I am. Okay. I do want men to be protected as much as women, anybody from violence. Like I had the exact same like feelings in my body. If, if that was a chick getting punched in the face. And then this guy came down, this girl, she kept punching him and then crying.

And then like fall into the floor. My first thought was, what did he do? Well, but I actually didn't think that at first, but he did. He was doing 100 percent. There's no that's because but and then I stopped myself and I was like, well, if a woman cheated, she and her boyfriend was getting was punching her. That's

Unacceptable. So this is also unacceptable. Exactly. People cheat. You don't punch someone in the face. I knew it just wasn't for no reason. It wasn't for no reason. Yeah. But yeah. And then this guy in the neighboring building came out and he was, he's like, what the, you just punch him? And he was bleeding. The guy was bleeding everywhere. And it was one of those situations where I'm like,

He didn't even flinch when he got punched. Like, and if he would have hit her back, I would have been like, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Like, that's how badly she was beating the crap out of him. Or just at least, like, do something to get the person away. He didn't put his hands on her. I was like, that guy. Oh, then he did something really bad. I know.

Like if he's just letting the – Finally the cop showed up. Like four cop cars showed up. Yeah, he did something really bad unfortunately. Yeah, but still. I mean I've never – I've seen a lot of domestic violence disputes on the streets of New York City. It's been a while, but I've seen them and it's always violence against a woman. I've not – I've yet seen a man being beat up by a woman. Maybe he like touched her kid or something though. Oh, I mean –

Well, it sounds brutal. Yeah, it was brutal. But the thing was, she was punching him and then she was wasted, obviously. And then she was crying and then going like, I'm so sorry. I was literally witnessing the cycles of abuse and not knowing at all what the circumstances were behind in their personal life. But she was punching him so hard. He was bleeding. And then she was crying like, oh, baby, I'm so sorry and hugging him.

And I was like, this is so confusing. But then I'm like, wow, chicks can do that too. Chicks could do that too. Yeah. But I mean, that sounds like she might have some kind of a mental. I think so. I think so. Either he did something fucked up or she's, she needs some help. I mean, she needs help. She needs help regardless. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so that was interesting. Oh, but also one of the things I want to talk to, speaking of people who need help, Bianca Sensori, dude, I, I, okay. There's this article in the daily beast is Bianca Sensori crying out for attention or for help.

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When I saw, this is Kanye West's wife, if you guys don't know. This woman is in a cult and there's only one member and it's her and there's one leader and it's Kanye West. Yes. Having watching rapper Kanye West and his wife Bianca Sensori get kicked out of the Grammy Awards. I'm sorry, I need to get this ad of them making sandwiches out of cucumber slices out because it's triggering me. I'm sorry, I just watched someone wipe hummus on a limp cucumber and then be like, eat this. Stop. Stop.

Though West, of course, denies this happened. The public should ask, is Sensori okay? And why in the world are we all watching West's erratic, problematic behavior and acting like it or he is acceptable? I'm not. I stopped following him a long time ago. Yeah, me too. A long time ago. But I saw the clip of them on the red carpet and then him, you know, obviously being fully clothed for the...

the dozen times that this has happened where he's completely clothed and she's totally naked. Yeah. And he, like, ordered her to take her clothes off, and she did. And she looked like... She looked like she was either drugged... Yeah, she does look like a drugged... Or she left her body the second she met that guy and just is going on with the motions because... She's disassociated, yeah. Yeah. She has dead eyes. Absolutely, and so does he. I mean, he has, like, evil eyes, I would say. Well, I mean, he's just...

in mania. Yeah. Yeah. And it was interesting what to hear you talk about bipolar disorder a week or two ago. Um, that is what it is. It's like, you think you're king of the world. Um, yeah, that's one of, that's one of the, that's one of the main or easiest ways to tell if someone is undiagnosed, uh, is if they just, yeah, walk around truly like they are the best person ever, uh,

Yeah. Kanye is difficult though because he is so talented. Right. Right. So it's confusing. The other people I know with bipolar disorder aren't. So it was much easier diagnosis. Oh.

if you're bipolar and you don't got a talent or you think you do, but you really don't. Yeah. What are you going to do? Much simpler diagnosis. Um, yeah, the 28 year old, the Mary, the 46 year old Kanye West in a non-legally binding ceremony in January. I didn't realize that she was only 28. I thought she was at least in her thirties. That's really sad. I think she's 31 now or 30 years old at, uh,

now. Oh, okay. This is another article talking about her friend's concerns. Things came to a head this week after the two were observed in a compromising position on an Italian water taxi resulting from the couple reportedly being banned from this water taxi company. Well, it's also so weird because she looks exactly like Kim Kardashian. I know.

I know. She's, I mean, she's mold. It's creepy. She's stunning, but it's, you know. Yeah. But it's like, and it's so, it was so interesting watching her. Like I watched that clip, the red carpet clip happened in real time. And it, it was, it was so, I had a very visceral reaction because you know, when a woman, people were, women were more clothed at the AVN awards than this chick. Like it's not, it's not artistic. It's gross. And it's abuse. It's, it's gross. Cause it's so abusive. Oh my God. And it's just like, well,

you can't do anything about it. It's one, it's not your life, but they got kicked out of the Grammys. Yeah. That's which is good. Good. That's good. Yeah. Um, but yeah, that free that, it was so freaky and gross and disgusting and disturbing. And, uh, it also makes it equally confusing that this person is talented. Like why? Like people with talent who are also monsters. There's a lot of them floating around. It's very confusing. Yeah. And then it's hard to separate which parts of Kanye's, uh,

actions are his bipolar disorder and which parts are him being a monster yeah yep wild yeah

It's not good. Wolf in sheep's clothing. Not good. How you doing, girl? How's running for mayor? Great. Yeah, quite a weekend. I was like, what do we do this, you know, starting Friday? Yeah. We had a big lot of things on the docket. We went to a rally just to see what was going on. It ended up being a small rally. Yeah, very small.

Hey, I'm always interested in people organizing for a cause that they believe in. I always think there's something interesting behind that and to kind of observe why are you passionate about what you're passionate about. Yeah, well, Eric Adams introduced a new initiative for the NYPD called Quality of Life, and this group was concerned that it was just another way for him to kind of over-police the city and especially target people of color and immigrants who own...

food carts and so I was like okay let me show let me see I just you know I was like I'm not sure if I support this based on reading it I was like I think I agree with some of this I don't agree with all of it but I want to show up and like you know because you can watch the rally you don't need to be a part of it and I was like I'll observe what's going on here and then you know we'll see if we want to talk to the people if I want to speak if I want to participate um

You know a rally is not successful when you have trouble finding it even though you go to the exact address they put on Instagram. So I will say that.

I second thing I almost asked the cops excuse me can you tell me where the protest is against you guys both Christina and my boyfriend um I thought that it was a good idea to ask the cop like my my boyfriend was like pulling he was like surely they know pulling into one police plaza and he goes what do I say to the cop when I pull in I go nothing because we're not going to try to drive into one police plaza that would be interpreted as terrorism protest the police yep so turn the car around yeah um

And, yeah, and then we finally found it because I was just kind of tracking them on their Instagram. And there was a, you know, apparently there was a police presence ready for them. And then they said on Instagram, they're not ready for us. And I said, I think they're more than ready. They were overprepared for you, actually. And then they went back inside because they saw how many of you there were.

That being said, I never want to make fun of anybody for going out and speaking about what they believe in. I think that's a cool way to spend a Friday night. And I hope they get more people on their side. Again, after watching them speak, I was like,

I don't, I think this is like a little too anarchist for me. Yeah. I'm not defunding. The police is just never anything that's going to actually work. And I don't think that that's what people actually want because they want to feel like they're being protected. Well, the issue is, and again, like, yeah,

Corinne Fisher for mayor. Got it. It's so... Like, it's hard because you have to keep saying it, but it's like... It brings up this icky feeling and the reason that I just have so many issues with the entertainment business. That being said, I really, really believe that I would be a good mayor. Yes. So I have to keep saying it. But, like...

That's why part of my platform is specifically tailored to heal the relationship between the NYPD and the citizens of New York. Because that's what I think is the root of the issue. The police have given up. They...

Yeah, after the one I knew that used to work at Apple. Yeah. After the George Floyd protests, he I remember I think I told you this. I saw him. He was my precinct was where I lived at the time he worked there. And I was like, Oh, dude, what's up? It was so good to see him. I really liked this guy.

And he said he was retiring early because he's getting shit thrown at him. He's just being called a fucking pig every day. And I knew him for years and he was so sweet. I didn't know everything about him, but he was kind and sweet and like very funny and kind of like would be like your, you know, your kid's favorite uncle, like a really genuinely kind person. And I'm like,

And that was the first time I realized, oh, yeah, you know, getting in a police officer's face and calling them a pig. You don't... You're not humanizing the person you're talking to. But also... I also don't know why the person signed up to begin with. Exactly. Like, I do believe many police officers signed up because...

They wanted to do good. And I think it's yet another instance, as is almost everything I've ever experienced in life, where when you become a part of whatever group, like you have a reason that you wanted to become a part of the group, right? And then you become a part of the group and you realize, wow, there's a lot about this group that I didn't know before I wanted to. And that's true of politics. That's true of being a comedian. It's true of everything I've ever done. It's even true of being a woman, okay?

Okay. I mean, I was born into that, but like there's a bunch of stuff going on in any group of people that like will personally probably not reflect the reasons why you got into that group. That doesn't mean that you can't still hold the reasons that you got into that group in your heart and, and try to be of service in that way. And I, and I've tried to apply that to the entertainment business. I've tried to apply that to being a woman. Um,

I am working on applying that to politics. Again, it's been like two months and there's already been so many instances where disgusting things could have happened. And I said, absolutely not. Yeah. Because I don't need to. I don't owe anyone any favors. And that's the biggest reason you should vote for me. I don't owe anyone jack shit. Yeah. You just want to do right by the people of New York City. You know, vote for me.

Vote for the mayor who walks through the streets. I'm so over the top. I was like walking because I started walking through New York City when I decided to do this as if I'm already mayor. Yes, you should. Not to manifest it or anything like that, though, because I'm like, I'm like, let me start like thinking about these changes in real time. Right. Yeah. As if I, you know, and, you know, I'm I'm.

I'm crying. I'm like, that person needs help immediately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to be due. I don't know. I don't know how we're going to manage this in some way. But yeah, so that's what we did. Yeah, we went to the rally.

Kind of a bus, but you live, you learn. And again, I think the part when I mentally checked out is when they started saying oink, oink, piggy, piggy. And I was like, I don't – you want to empower people. You want to empower people to do the best job that they can do in whatever the job is and especially if that job involves carrying a gun. You want that person to have good self-esteem and good reflexes and a good handle on their emotions. Yeah.

And saying oink, oink, piggy, piggy will chip away at even the most self-actualized person. Right. And it's like, you know, so my idea, and I've had this idea for a long time, is that good police officers should be paid extremely well. It's a really tough job, right? Yeah. Literally, because you should be willing to put your life on the line at any moment, right? That's what you're agreeing to, basically, to serve the people of your community. Yeah.

So you should, if we expect people to do that bravely, they need to be being paid a lot. Yeah. But only the ones who are doing their jobs, right? Yeah. You can't be on your phones. Don't text. I think you need to show up for regular mental health checks. And I also think you need to, there's a physical standard that you need to meet. And, you know, every year or every two years, I think you need to take this physical test. Normally, a year kind of goes by fast. So I'm like, I don't know.

Maybe every two years just because for the sake of taxpayers' money. And it's like how out of shape can you get in two years? Challenge accepted. It's like I don't care how you meet these requirements, physical requirements, but you got to be meeting them. And I think this is something all New Yorkers agree on. We all see these people walking around. They're not physically fit. They cannot –

run after people that they need to run after. And they're not paying attention because they're on their phones. Yeah. The cops on the subways, every cop on the subway is on their phone. And I'm like, I don't, I highly doubt that all y'all are looking at where you got to report to next. You're looking at Instagram. I see it. I see your phone. And I also went to a community meeting in my neighborhood, um, uh, to listen to someone who is running for city council in my, in my district speak, uh,

and something that they were this is a person who's much older than me and something he was talking about is how when he was younger because he's a lifelong New Yorker the police officers used to patrol the streets and they would have a neighborhood that they were assigned to and everyone in the neighborhood would know them and they would patrol by foot whereas now the cops patrol by car they call it cooping

If they're two together, they're not paying attention and they're not really getting out unless something actually, you know, extreme is happening. Yeah. And so that's another way that the community members, um, well, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like, uh, the police officers can earn trust from community members. If you have the same officer patrolling the blocks, he knows the people in the neighborhood. He knows, is this a repeat offender? You know, is this a person who I arrested last week?

Because there's also a very high rate of recidivism right now, and that's a problem. That means that we're not doing something right as a city. If the same person is being arrested for the same category of crime one, two, three times in a small period of time, it's not okay. It's almost like just putting somebody in a cage and yelling at them doesn't work. Also, that documentary I talked to you about where –

The about the women who are all who are sexually assaulted went in to filed a police report and then were all convinced there was like six of them that were convinced to say that they lied about it. And you think about that and you go, what? No way. If I was sexually assaulted and I went in and I was brave enough to tell everybody, I wouldn't take it back. But then you see how easy it is to do that because you're scared, you're freaked out and they keep you at the station for 12 hours.

But part of the resolution to that type of problem was these women who were sexually assaulted and coerced into giving a false statement after they filed their initial report…

taught classes to these police officers and said, this is what I went through and this is how it felt. And this is what the cops did to me. And you watch the cops and they were crying because they were like, holy shit. And so they got to see the human side of their tactics that they've been told to instill. And, and then that dissolves that practice because of humanization. So,

everybody's a person at the end of the day. Yeah. I think that's what we forget. Yeah. And as much as I do think, you know, I do think there's a lot of problems in policing in America. How can there not be? It's an organization that was literally created to

keep black people down, you know, down after the, after, uh, the slaves were freed and they were like, we can't just let the slaves be free. I mean, if you don't know, I mean, look it up. It's literally not the word slavery. I'm not making this up. Um, that's why police exist. Um, and so when that's the start, uh, of a, of a group, how can it not continue to, uh,

treat black and brown people differently. Yeah. You know, and that's, and that's a huge problem yet. People want to be safe. It's something that we're now accustomed to having, you know, being able to call the police is something that makes us feel safe, but how can it be safe in a way that is just, you know, if, if any New Yorker sees a,

A black man having a mental health crisis, we're not calling the cops. We're not calling the cops because we don't want the things that have historically happened for decades to be happening again. And again, there are many other cities where you can have the option to call either the police or a mental health advocate, a social worker, but

And I want to implement it so that if you're in any of the five boroughs 24-7, just the same way as you could call the police or the fire department, you can also call a social worker to the scene if it's clear that the person is having a mental health crisis and does not need to be held at gunpoint. Yeah, yeah, which is – that's a rare – it's rare that they do. Also, the cops in England –

They don't even have guns. There's so many countries that the cops don't have guns and they're fine. I mean, there's a lot of stabbings. Yeah. But you can run from a stabber. It's hard to run from a bullet. Can't really outrun a bullet. You can outrun a knife, maybe. Run from a stabber. You got to eat that protein, girl. Okay.

Corinne for mayor. I'm very excited for you to win there. And then, and yet please visit Corinne Fisher.com again. Thank you. So we've been getting constant donations. Um, again, a lot of, uh, lower number donations and that's totally fine. We love that. Especially if you're a New Yorker, even $10, even if you barely like me, just $10 says, I think, you know, I don't know if I like you or not, but I think that you should be able to run, which I think is a really strong sentiment. Like before, uh,

I'm even worried about winning your vote. I want to, I would just want the ability to prove myself to you. Right. That's step one. And to meet step one, um, I need money and I need to be able to get X amount of signatures, 2,250 to be exact. Uh, but that doesn't happen until February 25th. Yeah. A couple of weeks. Um,

And so that's the first step. But yeah, a donation, if you have more to donate, that of course is super helpful because we are going against a lot of candidates who have kind of been going at fundraising for like three months already. And so while, yeah, the donations have been consistent, it's definitely a grassroots organization. A couple of you have given...

a huge amount of money. There is a, a CEO who gave me $2,100. And like, I just want to say thank you so much. I, I was very helpful. I was crying again when I got, when I got that, I was like, that's, that's a lot of money to give a stranger. And I really appreciate that. That's an honor. Um,

But yeah, and like I said, it says everyone's occupation. So I'm like, oh, this is so fun. What do you do for a living? Yeah. Yo, guys, listeners have very fascinating jobs. They really do. And it's been such an honor to get to know you guys. Also, too, when we collect those signatures February 25th to April 2nd or 3rd, you have to be a registered Democrat.

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Um, speaking of, guess who's knocking on today's door?

It's a comedian. Yeah. Today's guest. Yeah, he's got like 20 abs and a gorgeous face, and he's funny, which is weird. Did you know men can be hot and funny? I had no idea. I found out today. This feels like a male podcast introducing a female comic. That's exactly what I was going for. Yeah. All right, guys. He's a stand-up comedian, and he's the host of the No Facts with Max show, which is a podcast you can listen to. Ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for Max Mantikoff. Max Mantikoff.

Guys, we're here with stand-up comedian Max Manticoff. And we can continue the conversation. Yeah, we're just talking about how if you're ugly, he's not going to fall in love with you. No, no, no. You can, but looks are definitely the first thing you see. Sure. Have you ever had romantic feelings for a woman who was unattractive? Honestly, seven and below. Seven's hot.

I don't think under a seven, but I think we've hit like a seven and been like, I love her. So generous. So generous. Giving back to the community. That's so beautiful. I just want to make sure everyone feels included. I mean, seven and above feel included. Do you, have you ever like led someone on or like got into a situation where they were like attached and you were like, ha ha ha ha, gotta go. Yeah. Like often. Okay. How does that work out? But I don't do it on purpose. I just like, I'm a. Of course you don't, Max. I swear. It's the thing.

Sweetie dough. I'm like a good person. So I'll hang out with a girl for like a couple weeks. She's like, oh, look, he goes and sees his grandma. He hangs out with his friends. You do? He has like a normal life. That's cute. And then people are like, I'm attracted to that. And then I get a couple weeks in and I'm like, well, I don't really like what you bring to the table. And I'm like, I'm sorry, but like I might step away. Right. Sure. And that's fair. Oh, but like he's.

He has these things. But I want him. He can't. Exactly. And then you look like the asshole. Women need to get better at rejection. Men are pretty good at it. I also think it's living in New York. Like, you meet so many people that, like, whose families aren't here. Yeah. I'm from here. Oh, okay. So for me, it's like, I get to see those people regularly. Like, it's generally, like, a big part of my life.

Yeah. So I enjoy that. But like you'll meet people and you're like, oh man, like a hundred percent of your free time is going out. Yeah. Like seeing your friends. And it's just, that becomes too much for me. I'm like, if your family isn't here or if you don't like visit them somewhat often, there's like a disconnect. What if the girl doesn't talk to her family? Cause that's a disconnect immediately. Yeah. Right. Well, what if they're abusive and she escaped? Someone will love her. Like, here's the thing is like, I don't have to.

That's a great name for your next comedy special. Someone will love her. Someone will love her.

I feel like it doesn't have to be me. Sure. And you're right. You're right. So what do you want to go to bring to the table? It's a real feminist stance. Yeah. It doesn't have to be him. And that's fair because I think in feminism, we have forgotten, number one, that we as women have to bring something to the table. And I'm not being silly. I truly think that a lot of times women think that just our existence is enough. But men treat us like, oh, you got those juicy tits. Like, I don't need you to bring anything into the table. Like, when you're treated like that. Right.

You do get an ego about it. You do have to bring something to the table. Yeah, but like juicy tits and... I mean, you got ass and got great face. But like juicy tits and a good relationship with your father is nice. What if your father's dead, Max?

What if your father doesn't? I'm sorry. What if your father told you that you can't be openly proud? We'll get to that later. Because I do love to talk about dead parents. No, me too. Wait, which parent's dead? I mention it too much. I know. It's a big deal. I like to talk about it too. Which parent died? My mom. How long ago? Like four years ago. Fuck. Oh, we're almost on the same exact timeline. I didn't realize.

It makes people uncomfortable. But like, you're okay, right? Yeah. Am I? Yeah, I'm okay. But I mean, you know how grief is. You just be like walking down the street and then you'll cry for like three minutes and then you'll go on with your day. And it's like, you're just used to it by now. But that's why like I'll crack jokes and whatever. People are like, oof. People will feel weird and they're like, oh no. But it's like my mom. Because she has a lot of material about her dead dad. Yeah, they're just like thinking about

themselves so i i it used to make me angry when i first tried to make jokes about it and the way people would respond but now i realize it's just like you know we're kind of all walking around thinking about ourselves which is a larger issue and um they just fear that moment so much and i remember how much i feared one of my parents dying before it happened and now it's happened and now i can make jokes about it yeah yeah i mean it's already it's done done

Right. Like the thing I feel, I did the thing. Yeah. I got through the thing that I feared the most and there is some freedom in that. Yeah. Well, it's, it's good and bad. Cause it almost like you're like, nothing hurts like that. Yeah. We were just kind of talking about like the dating stuff. It's like, that's why I feel like I sometimes I'm like, ah, this isn't for me and I can just move on. Oh, I literally have a joke. That's, that's kind of like, uh,

like love means nothing to me because my dad loved me so much and he's dead now. And I kind of do mean that. So like romantic love now kind of means nothing to me. Uh, cause the jokes, like my, my dad wrote, uh, and performed a poem for me on my 16th birthday, which is true. And I was like, you know, like no one's gonna make me come that hard. So like, where are we going from here? Right. But, and so when I compare the love that my parents had for me, uh,

especially my dad being like the male perspective. I'm like, yeah, everyone else is just absolutely flailing in comparison to the love that I felt for him. I feel like that's a healthy place to be though. Were you and your mom close? Your parents should provide the love that you look for in the future. They should, but most people don't. I'm sorry. But sometimes both of them don't. But most people don't. And someone will love you regardless.

But most people don't. But then I think that makes romantic – on the flip side, it makes romantic relationships a lot – but it makes them a lot more valuable. Oh, 100%. But there's pros and cons to that. Sure. There's pros and cons to that. My parents got married after two weeks of meeting each other. Really? So that's like – Dharma and Greg? Yeah. That's really cute. He's not going to get that reference. He's like, what are you talking about? No, I'm sorry.

Is that a comedy duel? It's a sitcom from when we were young. So you and your mom were close? Yeah, very close. That's awesome. That must have been... A mom, I mean, that's... Boy, how do you deal with that? How do you deal with that? I don't think you do. It's the same that we were just talking about. You kind of just, you know it happened and then you continue to live life and you're like, I have bills.

Right. Like you get to an age where you're like, okay, this really sucks, but like I have to go work. And that it kind of evolved the way you think of women in your life, like the place that they hold in your life in terms of dating and stuff. So you were saying like, it's, you know, if it's not working out, you can easily walk away. Whereas beforehand, could you not easily walk away or was there more? Yeah, I would like stick in something. Like I feel like it was easier for me to leave a relationship when my mom passed away. I know it's weird, but that's great. No, I totally get that. But like when I was younger, I dumped my boyfriend immediately after my dad. Me too.

Me too. Within like a year. Why? Because it felt like a lot. It just felt like overbearing. The person was kind of like trying to fill this gap that was, you know, empty. And could not possibly be filled. And I'm like, it's not for you to feel like, leave it. Yeah. Oh, so they were trying to overcompensate to help you heal? I would get like gifts of like, I don't know, memoriams of like my mom. Oh, so I was dating a man, so it was the opposite. He was like, why aren't we having sex as much? Yeah. Like, I'm sad. Both fair complaints. Yeah, yeah.

That's so interesting. So because people, you know, will often ask me like, well, what's the right way to respond to your boyfriend or girlfriend or husband or wife when their parent dies if you have not yourself experienced it? And I never know the right answer because I think it's really...

to each person. So in my situation, the person was not being supportive enough. And in your situation, the person was being too supportive and that made you angry. I feel like there's just a lot of anger in the beginning of grief. So no matter what you do, we're going to be pissed. That's good to know though. Yeah.

We're just going to be fucking angry for no reason and it's coming out on you. It felt like I was on a constant period. Everything was a trigger. Everything was annoying. Like I said, someone would give me something that was nice about my mom, but I'm like, why are you reminding me about my mom on a Tuesday? I had a good day. And now I just came home and there's a candle of my mom's face. I'm like, bro, I don't need this. And it felt bad being like, yo, this is a lot. That would piss me off.

But the thing is, like, you're just trying to be a good person. I sure I hope. Oh, yeah, sure. Sure. Of course she was. But it's just it becomes too much. You're like, this is I just want to be like you be you again. I'll be me. And like, that's a whole different section of my life that I'll deal with on my own. Right. Everyone's kind of walking around and treating you, handling you with kid gloves. And that makes you angrier. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. I don't need help. Yeah. And then when you do need help, you ask for it.

it. It's like, you know, and it's, and it's going to vary day to day, hour to hour sometimes. Well, I think that's a good recommendation. I think like the, the, you know, the part where you're like, Oh, I had this in like moment of respite where I wasn't thinking about my dead parents and now you brought it up again. So I think it's like, be willing to listen if the person experiencing the grief brings it up, but don't bring it up out of the blue if they are not

talking about it because they probably like when they when we want to talk about it we'll talk about it right but don't like bring it up at like at a part there's just times when um you know people will be like i'm so sorry about your dad i'm like that was four years ago and now i'm crying in the middle of my birthday party oh you're like this wasn't necessary it's the same thing when like a tragedy like i know a dude who lost his wife not that long ago yeah he hasn't mentioned it once i know it happened

Yeah. He hasn't mentioned it. Why would I ever? Right. Like, we're hanging and we're having like a good time. I'm not going to be like, how are you? How are you handling? Okay. But he hasn't mentioned it at all. That seems like.

But I've only seen him in like a social setting. Okay. Okay. So it's one of those worlds where it's like, I haven't sat in like my living room with him. Yeah. And had like a deeper conversation. But like, if we're like out, we're drinking. Right. I haven't brought it up. Yeah. You're not mentioning it. So I'm not going to bring your mood down. Like maybe you need this. You need to come out and have a drink. Sure. I'm not going to like, it's definitely on your mind. Yeah. Yeah.

Of course. It's way worse if I bring it up. Dude, losing a spouse and losing a kid, that has got to be the gnarliest experience. That's what I think was like harder for me was like watching my pops. Cause I was like, yeah, it was my mom. But like my parents, like I said, they got married after two weeks. So they were like lovers, like from the jump. And until the end. Yeah. Until the end. That was like her caretaker and stuff. So like for us, it was more like we like inherited a child. Cause we're like, damn, now we got to take care of my dad. Make sure he's fine. Cause me and my sister just kept working. We were like,

this sucks but my mom spoke to us yeah terminal illness three years of her constantly being like hey when it happens it happens i love y'all uh-huh wow and so like that was easier to let go but like his significant other like at that age he's now alone in the house and has do you feel like he like was able to come to terms with it or is still in denial like i think he still deals with it like you know he's still like a guy like yeah you know so he'll just sit and he'll be like i'm i'm good and you're like oof i don't know are

though. Yeah, I don't know. But he's the type to be like, I went to therapy. And I'm like, you didn't go to therapy.

Oh, you think your dad's lying about going to therapy? A hundred percent. Really? Like I love my father, but like I said, my dad's like a guy. My dad's like a man. But a man, like a guy in my, in my like stereotypical guy, my girlfriend wouldn't even lie about going. He'd be just like, fuck therapy. That's for pussies. Yeah. Yeah. No, but he's at least saying I would rather lie. Oh, I don't know why, but it's kind of sweet. I would like to rebrand what it, what it means to be a man.

You know, I think it's very manly to go to therapy and not take anger out on people. You went, you went because your mom passed away. Cause like I knew, so I started like a month before cause my mom went into hospice. So when she was in hospice, I was like, all right, we're coming to an end. I was like, I should start to speak to someone just to be like, Hey, this is how I'm feeling. That's really smart. I was like, how do I like make sure I let go of this? And they were like, Hey, any conversations you can have, try to have them.

Yeah. Those moments like you have a couple of weeks left. Did you get any conversations in that like you wouldn't have gotten in otherwise had she not been dying? We already talked about everything. Wow. Because it was like I said, it was like three years of her having like a terminal illness. Wow. Right. So you had time to bond. We saw like chemo remission again. It's back. Like.

some trial stuff that they're doing. Like we saw every aspect of it. Yeah. The whole thing. She was like, we don't know if the trial is going to, and then boom, she lives like another year. And we're like, at least we've been talking about you dying. Yeah. So we make it real. Yeah. My mom was just, my mom was that bitch too. Good. Yeah. That's a G move. Gravestone.

That bitch. RIP to that bitch. It's on the urn. As it should be. She earned that. So how has dating been different for you since? I just feel like for me it's –

It's harder to commit to something like that because I know this is super random too, but I grew up playing sports. The second I coached a baseball team, I was like, man, I want to be a dad. Oh, really? The second I coached a baseball team, I was like, yeah, I would love to. And then the years go by. That was like three years ago now. And I'm like, dude, it's impossible to find someone that you're like, I would raise a child with you. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. I love hearing this from the male perspective because we also think this about you guys. You know, we think no one's up to, up to the challenge. So what are like when you are dating, are you purely looking for like who would be the mother of my children? I feel like men really date with that in mind a lot and it kind of hurts our feelings. Who would be the mother? Cause it just looks like you're like, yeah, looking for someone to fill a role rather than like, this is the love of my life, you know? Yeah. But I think you have to like,

You know, it's more logistically savvy. Yeah. What men are doing to and I'm dating. We're just fucking. Yeah. Just enjoying it. Right. Like I'm 29 now. Not that I'm like old, but I'm also in my head. I go, hey, before 35, I would like to have kids. Yeah. Just kind of want to be in my life. So I go, hey, over the next couple of years, it has to be more serious. Yeah. Like I don't want to get into something where I go, this person doesn't even know if they want kids. And I go, I might be out.

So you've encountered a lot of women where like you, you're like, okay, there's something here. But then as you go further, you're like, I don't see, I don't see a family with you. Is that what's happening? And what, what about them? Like, what are the generic qualities that for you are red flags that you wouldn't want to raise? Oh, like not being able to like,

solve problems. That's a big one. Like, what kind of a problem? Because, like, I have, like, a big rule, like, in dating. Uh-huh. Like, no cursing, no screaming. Oh, and when you're fighting. Yeah, like, between anything. I was like, no cursing ever? Discussions or whatever. Like, no, no, curse, like, in sentences. I curse all the time. Right. But, like, don't curse at me. Sure. Don't be like, you fucking piece of... Like, for me... Fair. I gotta go take a walk. No verbal abuse. You do that, yeah, I'm gonna go take a walk. I'm like, that was a lot for me. I don't want to do this. Mm-hmm. Because, like...

You take how you're treated seriously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just – I wouldn't do that. So I just see it as like aggressive. Yeah, sure. And in my head I'm like I wouldn't put my hands on you. I wouldn't scream at you. It's like I don't want any type of aggression my direction either. And you – I assume then that means your household, your parents didn't like scream a lot. No, the thing – they did. Oh.

Yeah, I was like a lot of times people who I think I want to tell I've met a man who has this rule. They there was a lot of screaming. Yeah. My parents are Latino. Like it was. Yeah. Right. Passionate scream offs. And then they probably go fuck right after. Yeah. But you didn't know that. Yeah. I was like, I don't I don't want the screaming. Like they never my parents never touch each other like physically. Yeah. But they would like scream and stuff. Yeah. We'd be in the middle of it. And I was like, oh, I don't even want that.

It's so stressful. Because I think it's traumatizing for like a kid too. Oh, definitely. Yeah. That's what like made me play a lot of sports like growing up because I'd be like, I just want to like get out of the house. I want to go like do something if mom and dad are arguing because we didn't grow up with money. That was mainly the arguments. In regards to love, they loved each other. They never did anything wrong to each other. Yeah. But money-wise, it was always like –

figuring out bills and shit. So that's what the screaming was about most of the time? A lot of times it was things like that and then obviously you have little random relationship shit that like I didn't understand as like a kid. Sure, yeah. But it was like nothing against each other. It was just like the stresses of life. Of course. And like raising kids in New York City and like I went to private school. So like just the screaming stuff. I'm like there's other ways to like solve an issue where I don't even want

that so have you had a relationship where there was screaming and you're like see a hundred percent yeah and how like on the first go like did you make it clear like I'm just curious how quickly that unfolded for you in terms of I let it rock for a while yeah I just like I let it happen right because I didn't really know what to do and then I got to a place where I was like what am I doing yeah this isn't for me and then after that I kind of set that boundary of like no none of that yeah okay so no screaming and no cursing at each other when you're in the heat of the moment what else

I like the family stuff. Like I said, I think that's important to me. Yeah, because even yesterday, we got together for my grandma's 90th birthday. That's great. Oh, 90. Yeah, she's old. That's great. So everyone shows up. She sees some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grandmas be old. Grandmas be old. Oh, fuck. But the whole family pulled up, and it was like 20 people. And for me, I'm like, that's what I'm accustomed to.

Yeah. So like when my family does things, like everyone gets together. Most of us live in New York. Yeah, we have family in other places. Yeah. We have a big group of people here. That's special. So for me, I'm like a girl needs to know what that is. Yeah, yeah. Because I've also had someone that I've introduced into my family life and then they became too much into my family life. Like too integrated. Yeah, like bro, stop texting my aunt.

So you want them to be family oriented, but not too oriented to your family. Like grow that. Right. Right. Over the years. Like not like the first time I introduced you to my aunt, you're like, bitch, give me your number. Well, she probably heard you talk about how much you value family and then was like, I'm going to really lock this down by becoming best friends with his aunt. Which would piss me off. Cause I'm like, I see that tactic. Don't do that. That is now a tactic. Oh, I get you. Right. Right. Like people move in a certain way. Cause it's maybe worked for them. Yeah. For me, I'm like, bro, just be you.

Yeah, yeah, totally. If you really want to text my aunt, text my aunt. But it's like after we broke up, she made sure to see my aunt even more. And I was like, this is a lie. That's manipulative. No, that was the same girl. That was the same girl that would do the memoriams of my mom. This is what I'm saying. There's a certain thing that I learned from that where I was like, I'm not a bad person. It was just too much.

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Was she hot? It seems like this is like an excessive. Was she the set? Was that the seven max? No, that seems like seven behavior. I'm not going to say what are you talking about? It's all opinion. I will say like, I don't have, so I don't talk to my parents for reasons that I feel very confident about my brother. I'm fucking obsessed with, but I have a partner with a big family and they're all great. And it's like, Oh, this does feel real.

really nice so I can absolutely understand you having somebody with a big tight family also wanting that that is an asset you're right it's really nice it also gives you this solid foundation and self confidence that is unique to that situation yeah also I mean do you want kids yes this week no I don't I want kids this week nice

Well, yeah, just watching my friends have kids. Go pick them up. Just go adopt a couple kids. Yeah. Do you have friends with kids? I do, yeah. Like babies? Yeah. That's really cool, like seeing your friend become a mom or a dad. It's so weird when we all get together. That does something to you. You're like, oh, shit, there's something to this. This like beautiful little pure –

that you get to be beside as they figure out who they are. I mean, this is the thing. Obviously, you guys work in comedy as well. Comedy is like, it's not a real world. No. Correct. The people in it, the way people live, the way people do things, it's not the reality that I grew up in.

I just go, this is my job. It's not the reality that anyone grew up in, hopefully. Yeah. But well, some people enjoy it. Like some people make it their social life. They make it everything. And I'm like, for me, I love my friends that I grew up with in Queens that have families and they're married. And like that for me is like, once again, that's what I prefer to be around on my free time.

Yeah, non-comedy friends are essential to being grounded, but also like feeling more human. Yeah, yeah. Well, because I grew up with them. Like even this weekend, I'm going to Puerto Rico for like a bachelor party. My buddy's getting married to his girlfriend he's been with for 10 years. We're 29. He's been with her since they were 19, which is crazy. So it's like a beautiful thing where like now we all get to go to Puerto Rico. And like for me, I'm like that trip, you can't beat that trip.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because these are like my brothers, like people that I grew up with. It does something to you to have people in your life who've known you since Jump. Yeah. It's like you feel it on a cellular level almost. Like they're really important people to have in your life and I think it's lucky if you can have a bunch of those. Yeah. How was dating for you guys like in comedy? Because you guys have been in it a long time. I had a boyfriend. She's feeling something. I had a boyfriend the whole time. The way you ask questions really tickles me. Why?

I had a boyfriend the whole time until a couple years ago. And I had like a list of guys that I was like, oh, he's hot, he's hot, he's hot. And so it wasn't so much dating as sleeping around. That was really enjoyable because I never really got to do that. But dating and comedy, I want to date an artist, which I am. That feels good, but I wouldn't want to date a comedian, I don't think. I like something different. Like bring something to the table that I don't know about. Okay, fair. Yeah, I mean, I think we've talked about it a lot on this show, but dating –

it's like just dating as a, like a female comedian is not a very, men don't like that. Have you ever dated? It's like, Oh, what a surprise. A male comedian who doesn't want to date female comedians. Yeah. It's just like, obviously it happens, but like we talk a lot. It's also like a, like it's powerful. And then, um,

people don't like when you make more men don't like when you make more money than them. I love it. You do. I would too. You know why though? Because you're the, you're, you're, you're Gen Z, right? Or no, you're like right on the cusp. So, but I think that's like, that's why I started dating only younger guys because younger guys were able to, uh, appreciate it because they had seen stronger examples of women. Not that older women are not strong, but like younger or younger, like generations have seen outwardly strong.

They've seen women in bigger power roles because society has changed a lot. And so that's why I was like, I can't date these like guys in their fifties and forties anymore. It's just like not doing it for me. Yeah. Well, I mean, my mom was like the provider. Yeah. Oh really? My mom was like, that's great. I also find like that men who had a boss bitch for a mom are a lot easier for me to date. When I think of all my boyfriends who were like the most meaningful boyfriends, they all had a mom who was an absolute powerhouse. And I was like, obviously that makes sense. Yeah.

It's easier to know like what to expect. Have you ever dated a comedian? I have, yeah. How'd it go? It was cool. It was good. Yeah. I just think like the schedules are difficult. Yeah. Like no matter what, like it's always – it's difficult. Yeah. Well, and comedy – if you're taking comedy seriously, I mean most times comedy takes precedence and people have to really understand that. Also too, I love that my partner is not a comic because like when one of us says something funny, there's no debating who takes it on stage, me. Yeah.

He's a musician. That's my bit now. So that's good. So you mentioned earlier too before you started recording that you're in love with someone.

No. I mean like every other week. Oh, okay. I have like a problem. I'm my father's son. Like there's just something that I've realized when I look in the mirror. I go, I'm probably going to end up getting married out of nowhere in like two weeks. I see that for you. It's how my dad did it. Are you a Pisces? I'm a Taurus. Oh, interesting. Powerful. Yes, very. Okay, so you fall for people very quickly. Do you also fall out of love? Yeah, that's I think the biggest problem. Yeah, but that's healthy.

I would be like all in, I don't know. And then like, Oh, you fall out of nowhere. Well, like let's just say like I have like one weird conversation where I just feel like someone wasn't like communicating correctly. And it's immediately for me. I'm like, I didn't like that. So you get the icky easily.

If you want to call it that. Yeah. When someone does something and it's really quick and it just turns you completely off and you're like, I can't even think about you the same anymore. That's the ick. That's what we would describe as the ick. But the way they handle stuff, that's a pretty solid ick. You know what I mean? It's not like the way they ate soup. No, it's never anything. That was an ick for me. That was a personal ick. Women have different icks. Men will be like, yeah, she just didn't get along with her mom. You guys will be like, oh, he wore a belt. It's not the same thing.

That's why I feel like weird calling it an ick because like it feels more serious. No, I had an ex who stole something in front of me one time and I like pissed me off really badly. And that was an ex. Yeah. You've never been to CVS and just like. No. No, have you? Yeah.

Is it like a regular thing? No, but like. No, you know why? It wasn't just stealing something. First of all, like, why are you stealing? Like, to me, it's like very childish. Like, I would, like, you could have, he could have asked me to buy it for him and I would have bought it for him. We were at Madison Square Garden and it was like one of the, like a special cup and like whatever we were buying, you couldn't get the special cup. We had a conversation. You know who this is. It's so this person. We had a conversation. I'm with the special cup.

We had a conversation with the woman working at MSG and she explained to us why we couldn't, it wasn't part of the promotional deal. And then he just steals it. And I'm like, to me, that was so disrespectful to her. But he did it in front of her? Yeah. I'm like, that's disrespectful to that woman who we just had a conversation with. That's like stealing in front of someone. Like, for example, if I have my sister from CVS, it wasn't premeditated.

I was in CVS. I was grabbing things. No, you're fighting the powers that be. Well, no. I have like a Gatorade in my hand and I just put it in my pocket. Yeah, yeah. I'm not walling out. I'm not like being disrespectful to people when I'm doing it. You're why I have to buzz the buzzer to get a razor at CVS. Yes. I wouldn't steal a razor. I want toothpaste. I got to have a guy come with a key. I always steal very simple things like –

Oh, like a Gatorade. That's okay. Like something that like just goes in my pocket. They're going to lock up that Gatorade cabinet. When the Gatorade gets locked in CVS. That's Max's fault. You know who's Instagram to go to. What other examples of ick have you gotten? So like not getting along with parents. That's a big one for you. Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah. Um,

Think of a woman that isn't nurturing. Once again, these aren't. That's wild. I've never heard that before, Max. What? Nurturing? Yeah, I've never heard that. I've never heard that as a need. What is it with the men and the nurturing? Yo, because look, if you're sick, I'm going to take care of you like you're dying. Okay, but we don't need that.

That's a lot. That's okay. Maybe you don't need it, but that's what I provide because my parents loved me. My parents love me too. And they love me enough to not send me out into the world to coddle a little bitch. If my girl is sick though, I'm like, I'll go pick up Sue. Okay. I'll go do the thing. Like I'll go to CVS and grab your medicine. Like I'll do that. So for me, it's like, you don't have to like hold me. Okay. But like, a lot of back scratches have been requested and I'm kind of done with those. Oh, but those feel good. Just like how,

Are they healing? It's just nice. We're just hanging out. I'll go get the medicine. I'll go get the soup. I'm the same. That's totally fine. Or I'll Uber Eats it because, you know, we don't get a... Which is fine too. Door dash it. Like, look, you can do the least...

amount of work but like yeah feel like consideration yes yeah because that for me like i said like that feels nurturing to in my head i just go oh you bought me soup i'm a little sick if we had kids you would also take care of the kids like if you can't even do like the basics for me i go there's no way you can like a dog yeah but see this is confusing to me because like if i had a kid i would treat them like a kid but to me like you're a boyfriend so i treat you like an adult

But to be fair... I'm sick. But to be fair, I would look at... But I don't feel good. My tummy hurts. What do you mean? I have a cold and dying... What you just described, though, to me, I would... That's basic care. To me, it's thoughtful. Yes. I'm thoughtful. Nurturing, to me, is this thing that we talked about with...

therapists called Going From Mouth to Nipple. And a lot of heterosexual couples experience this when the man kind of becomes too childlike in the relationship. So it's like you go from making out to sucking on the woman's nipple is where that comes from. So I just am always very wary of that because I feel like it's very easy for men to fall into that role. And that's when women become bitter cunts. Maybe for you, though. Because financially, you're in a good place. That felt very...

No, like that's complimentary. Because you're rich, Corinne. Complimentary where it's like you're doing well in your life and your career and stuff. So like someone might latch on in that way. Yeah. Where it's like I feel like I would never feel like a baby because I have dreams. I have shit that I want to accomplish. Oh, for sure. I mean, if you're dating someone without dreams, that's on you. But if I'm sick, let me just be sick. Let me be like a little sick boy. Men love to milk that. Men love that. Where is that coming from? Because I don't get sick often. Where is it coming from though? I just want to know the root. Because it hurts to be sick. Where is it coming from?

But I will say when I'm sick, I'm kind of like that too. And I want my boyfriend to be like, Oh baby, it's okay. Women get like two, three days a month. Cause of like your periods. We don't do anything. We carry on. We do. You've never had a period to be like, I'm gonna have just like a day at home and like be a sad girl. No,

Not in my 30s. And I've been like diarrhea vomiting and you gotta come in. You gotta come in. I mean, I've complained about it for sure. What if it's on a Sunday? Then I stay home on the couch. I'm a church, Max. Yeah, exactly. That's a little different. But what you were saying, Max, earlier about you kind of look at how your girlfriend is considerate of you and then you kind of equate that to possibly down the road how you'd be considerate to a child. I imagine

the same thing with male partners when I'm dating them. There's this period of time though in the beginning of a relationship, maybe it's the first year. What was your longest relationship? Like a year and a half. Okay. So that you're not quite locked in yet and so the person can still give you the ick pretty easily. But then once you get this locked in level with each other, there's more, but to get there, you have to witness them do all the things that you could possibly get the ick on and you're like, okay, check, check, check, you're good, you're good, you're good.

good. So like I get it like that's that's what everybody looks for in a partner if they want kids. I think it's important like because like I said if if I didn't provide that then I wouldn't expect that. Yeah. But it's because in my head that is my go to. Sure. Like you're sick you don't feel well I got you. Yeah. That's fair. If you're if you are

giving and receiving the same that's fine i just think often women are over giving and under receiving i always but you are younger like a very giving boy it feels like the opposite yeah for me oh really women are under giving yeah i just feel like because i like i see a relationship this is also why i don't just get into relationships like i'm not the type person to like jump into the next one to the next one right it's like if i'm gonna like if i'm gonna be in one i have to like give you

a part of my life. Like in a sense where it's like the time, the hours, the care, the whatever. Like you're with someone like this person is not part of your life. I have to take out time from my life to make sure that you're good and happy and we're good. Yeah. So it's like doing that. I expect the same. Are you dating women your age, younger? What are we doing here? I like, it varies. Yeah. Well, I,

just because I find like if men are willing in their twenties to give in the way that you're describing yourself as giving, I feel like women don't clean up with older women. Yeah. Women don't appreciate that until later. Like in their twenties, they're almost looking for someone to treat them badly. Again, I haven't really gotten to the bottom of this. Yeah. Depending on the self esteem level. Yeah. It's,

But it's not even just that, though. Like, it has to be other elements because people... Like, it's kind of like anyone in their 20s is almost looking to get treated badly, whether they have self-esteem or they don't. It's just like an in-their-20s-women thing. And then...

by the time men, yeah, I mean, I don't know, but again, yeah, I started dating younger guys because I do actually believe a lot of the things you're saying. I do. I did find men in their twenties to be more considerate, but I think that part of that is because they hadn't had enough negative experiences with women yet to resent them. I read a whole study on this. That makes sense. But it, but it was basically kind of blaming, uh,

the man's first big negative experience with a woman, you know, for why men, you know, disrespect women in general. And I was like, well, it's still our problem apparently. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like you, you still have to,

Like I look at it where like if I date a younger woman, usually just the expectation of what they want in a relationship is different. Sure. So the way that I see it mentally, like if I had to like pick a perfect number, I go like 32. Yeah. Where it's like early thirties. It's like everyone is 32 listening to logged off. But you already know like where you're supposed to be at. Yeah. And you have a solid foundation with your, for your self esteem, for where you want to go in life, for what you want, what you won't tolerate. Yeah. And like,

And respectfully also, like a woman who's like in her early 30s, she already knows what she wants, but she's not in a rush. Yeah, true. It's like I think for me where I'm at, I'm 29. It's just like the perfect age. Yeah, it's a good age. That person knows what they want, but it's like, hey, there's no rush to like get to where we're going. Yeah. Like it'll get there and you're 31 if it takes us two years to be like, hey, now we know that we want to continue our life together and whatever. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Now you're 33. You're 34. A lot of women's eggs are frozen, so there's not a lot of rush for a lot of people. Yeah, really. Which is great in New York. Because rushing feels – like the energy of rushing just feels like – even if it's a great relationship and the person is great, you're like, well, now you fucked it up because this energy is not good. How many times have you been in love? Ooh, a lot.

Yeah. Please give us an actual number. I love talking to a man who's been in love a lot because it's unique. What's your... We've talked about this before. Minus six, I believe. Which, according to Family Feud, is higher than the norm.

I feel like mine's like... All my stats are from Family Feud. I mean, do intense crushes count as love? No. But what if you've been obsessed with the person? So the person loves you back? If you were in a relationship with this person, do not add this to the number. In love...

Like maybe six. I would say six. Yeah. Six is high. So where was reciprocated? Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Please. Max reciprocated. I've get crushes. I mean, I guess you could say if you were in love, but you had to have like the person had to have known. Oh, they knew. Okay. They all knew, but not, not a crush. Can't hide it. Do you guys have like those people though that like you don't date, but you go, I fucking love this person. Yeah. What do you mean? Like they just exist in your sphere. Yeah. Like,

Like there's like, that's a crush. It's a crush, but like, I love this person.

How well do you know them? Well, like I know people that like we're not together. I've known them for years and I just go like I would marry that person. I mean I felt that way about Dane Cook in college but I'm not going to include that in the number because then we're at seven. So seven, yeah. Yeah, I think that was like – that was just some kind of a weird parasocial relationship. Well, why didn't you date those people then or attempt to? For like certain reasons. Like maybe we live in like other places. It's just like more difficult. Logistical. Yeah, logistical reasons where it's like – Sure. Oh, so yeah. Yes, 100%.

But it's easy to romanticize someone who lives thousands of miles away because they can't piss you off. Someone told me this once and I 100% agree. Yeah. Dating apps and stuff. Someone told you this? Someone told me this. I prefer a long distance crush more than a short distance crush because then I could fill my own blanks in. Someone told me a woman long distance makes you fall in love quicker than a woman who's in your city. That makes sense. I get that. Yeah, because she's not there. So you fill in the blanks. She's not yap, yap, yap.

But if someone knows how to like talk to you correctly, it's like, it's the same where like, um, absence makes the heart grow fonder. Sure. Sure. It's that side where you're like, Oh, you speak to me correctly. And now I miss you. And now it's like, I can't see you. And then when I see you, it's an elevated form of like seeing anyone. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, we're at like the peak of like, Oh my God. When I see you, like if we're just dating and I see you,

You're not running down the block. Right, right. You're not jumping into my arms. Yeah. I mean, that's the same reason why people who have had sexual relationships with married people, they'll say it's heightened in a level that nothing else could. And if that person left their partner, it would fall to shit. It would fall to shit because it's the taboo-ness, but it's the lack of...

consistency too. Yeah. Like you don't see them a lot so you can just yeah. Well that feels crazy to me by the way. What? The idea of just fucking a married man and being okay with it like as a girl is crazy. Yeah. Why is it the girl's fault though? The guy's married the woman's not married. It should be the owner should be on the man. I agree. He's cheating but she's not a good person.

I've had a sexual relationship with a married man for about a month and a half. And there was things that we had talked about about his partner that him and his partner talked about that included me. But yeah, it's a weird one. But we can put blinders on whenever we want. No, I agree. I've been the guy. Yeah.

But like – That having sex with a married woman. Who was lied to, yeah. And then I felt awful after. Yeah? I was like, oh, no. Which she was lied to or you were lied to? No, I was lied to. Oh, so she said she wasn't married. She was like, I'm divorced. And I was like, oh, word. But were they in the midst of getting a divorce? They like weren't doing well, but they were married for sure. Okay. And I was like, oh, I don't want –

I was like, this bitch is crazy. I understand that you wouldn't want to be a part of it, but I mean, I think like if it's like a relationship is on the demise, I mean, and they're ultimately going to get divorced. How'd you find out? It's not cheating in the same way. I just asked. Because I was like... She just started to feel married? Yeah, it was like...

put my finger on it it was weeks later and she was still in the house with him you like someone who's family oriented Max exactly even if it's betrayal but that's why I was so attracted to her initially well I'm sure the sexual chemistry I thought you had a family she had a family you have to be more you have to ask the universe very specifically what you want to do I know are you into tarot no not at all cards

What other kind of tarot is there? Maybe like a game or something, something else. Tarot is not a game, Max. It's not a game, Max. Are you guys into astrology as well? Hell yeah. We're in our 30s and unmarried, obviously. I mean, it provides some compelling data, but you take it with a grain of salt. You can't get to anything because otherwise you can take over. I have a theory that you can only really love astrology if you're like middle class or above.

That checks. So wait, broke people can't love astrology? No, they need way more help. They got other shit to worry about. They like need God. It does feel like a luxury. They need a religion. You know what? I don't hate that. I think you should write that up. Hot take. Write that up. That's a bit. That's a bit. That's a bit. Now I resonate. I like that. That's a good one. I just feel like poor people need real help. Like they don't look up and they go, it's going to work itself out. And rich people don't really fuck with astrology because they got like...

maids and butlers. Yeah. Well, that's how I feel about self-care. You know, when something terrible in the world is happening, everyone's just like, take a bath. And I'm like, if you work two jobs, you don't have time for a bath. You need to take a five-minute shower. Yeah, yeah. Or just spray on some perfume. Also, it feels like astrology gives you excuses to do bad things. Oh, yeah. She has a great bit about that. I have a joke about that. Do you really? Yeah. Don't write that one on that. It's that where it's like...

because i already got that one religion is all like do good do good do good do good no bad no bad no bad whereas like you'll read your astrology for the day it's like you need to read you go fuck up and it's okay and you're like no no why is someone living their life through this lens okay sure i agree with your perspective on woo but i do not agree with your perspective on that religion is do good do good a lot of religion is like kill everyone who doesn't believe in this god yeah don't get an abortion not a gay person off a rooftop yeah

Kill the case. I'm talking about the commandments. You're reading the books. Like I'm talking just like. You're just going straight commandments. Yeah, straight commandments. Okay. Like what's in front of you is very just like do good. Don't lie. Don't steal. Don't, you know. Do you live your life by the Ten Commandments? Don't be a piece of shit. I lift up my shirt. Oh, no. I would die.

That's my front is the 10 commandments. The back is the, uh, uh, declaration of independence. That's my, like if someone had the 10 commandments tattooed to their chest, do not cheat. Yeah. Oh no. But it's kind of got, I was like, well, if you had abs, I'd fuck up once. And then I'd be like, but I hated that tattoo. You close your eyes. You can't see. You can't have 10 commandments, uh, tattooed on fat. That's absolutely. That's crazy. You're going to lose a couple of commandments in the world. I was going to say,

Isn't that Breaking a Commandment? What's that one? Gluttony or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. So are you currently in love with somebody or is it like a crush love? No, no, no. I was seeing someone for a little bit. Now I'm like, again, I'm like single. Yeah. Yeah, we saw some photos over the summer. You love to dangle it. There was like some woman in the shadows and I'm like, this guy loves a show. What are your thoughts on posting on social media? It was just like,

The picture was like literally like some girl tying her shoe and he's like, I had a rad summer, yo. Summer was lit. Summer was out of control. The bitch is beyond me. No, it wasn't bitches. It was my bitch. It wasn't the bitches. One bitch for summer. I really enjoyed that.

Why do I need to show everybody? Because I do think the internet is crazy. You're right. You didn't need to show anyone, but you wanted to show us that you were fucking a hot lady. You know what I'm saying? If I'm fucking a hot guy, I also want to show people. I think it also stops my DMs from being a lot.

It does? I swear. Okay. Yeah. Because I feel like people are more loose-ended when... It was overwhelming for you. Yeah. No, no. Wait. So with this post, she was in the background? I'm telling you. It was like he was on there. She was not in the background. Wait, I'm going to look at it. It's gone now. You deleted it? You archived it? Of course. Well, because that love is over. It's been two weeks. So... But yeah, I mean, it was like... It was just...

You know, you know, like the kind of idea we've all posted something like this. Yeah. What are your thoughts on posting with a partner? I think it's okay. I don't think it should be forced. Yeah. So, but like, what's your personal, um, uh, like thoughts on that? Like, would you have like, some people are like, I don't post romantic stuff on social media. I always think this, I like, I don't think you need to post consistently, but I think if you're with someone, it's like, at least make it known that, Hey, I'm with someone. Yeah. Like I said, because if I post the thing that I'm like with my girlfriend, yeah.

I'm not going to get the DMs of like, hey, do you want to grab coffee? And even if I do, it's like you understand why I didn't answer. Right, right, right. Whereas like someone else would be like, he's just a dick. It's like, bro, no, I'm in a thing. I'm not answering these DMs that are like bait.

I don't think that even if you're not in a thing, though, that if someone's calling you a dick because you're not responding to their romantic advances, I mean, just flip it. Like if a man was doing that to a woman, we don't respond all the time. So I think that's actually unfair of women to call you a dick. And this is I mean, I'm sure I never stick up for men. I will compliment your work.

right someone complains your work do you guys ever answer those messages I do occasionally yeah of course so like you'll answer that and then the person will send you another message oh and they won't shut the fuck up you're hot let's do and it's like then I that feels manipulative though because I'm like do they really like what you're doing or was that just they just wanted to compliment you to get your pants which is okay because then I go hey let's flip the script same thing I go I don't give a fuck what you think about me I go if you buy a ticket we're good yeah okay all right ticket mommy

Have you ever cheated? I have, yeah. I've been cheated on and then I cheated. I think when I cheated though, I was like trying to leave a relationship, which was never. But when she cheated, she was being a bad person. Well, she did it and stayed in it. Oh, with you? Yeah, like when I cheated, I was like, I'm out.

right and that's kind of what I'm saying exactly that's what we were just talking about before it was like almost a way for me to be like do something just like unforgivable and the person was still like we can be an open thing like it's okay it's fine and I was like no this has gotten too far okay I gotta go so this brings us to one of our favorite topics on this show why can't men just break up when they're not happy you seem like you seem like now that your mom died you've gotten to this space so now I'm good I heard I heard I heard I'm so

happy for you. My mom's dead and I have grown. Right. So before your mom... For those men listening who moms can't die yet or aren't dead yet... Kill her. What is it that...

prevents men from just breaking up. Like, why do they have to go out and cheat? This is not, it's not just you. This is a really common thing. It's very universal. And we can't, we don't understand why you won't just break up with us. We're begging you to. I think I tried, like with this one specifically. I definitely tried. How so? By just like pulling away or having a conversation? No, by telling the person, I was like, hey, I don't want to do this anymore. And the person was like, no, no, no, we're like, we're good. We're going to figure it out.

And I was like, we're not. Yeah. And then like the person would like show up to my house. Okay. Well, that seems like you have a lot of kind of like you stalker energy. Yeah. Yeah. Like with the women. Yeah. So that woman who cheated on you, she stayed in the relationship with you without you knowing that she cheated?

So she left the relationship. Yeah. So I left the relationship and then like months later, I like cleared my conscience and was like, I just want to let you know I did this thing. Okay. Oh, you told her after you broke up? Yeah. Oh, why? I don't know. She could have gone without knowing that. I get it, but like. That's for you. What you did was you gave her a burden. She was fine. She didn't know. She didn't need to know. No, I feel like, like at the end of the day, it's like it happened. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. So I just see it in a sense where I'm like, I just want to clear my conscience and be like, hey, I did this thing. Yeah. You know, it's like, I still hope you're okay. I hope you're whatever I go. But I did this thing and that's why I left. And if you ever had any questions about it, like for me, that was like my final step. Okay. So maybe if she was confused as to why you guys broke up. I didn't just message her. Like she messaged me about something like months later. And then I was like, hey, I just want to tell you I did, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was like, I don't want to rekindle this.

I don't want to fix this. I want to let you know I fucked up. I did something and then I'm going to be out. Because that feels better to walk away from that and be like, okay, at least I told her. Yeah, it's a clean break. You could walk away from it and be like, he's a piece of shit. And I go, you know what? Did I do something that was a piece of shit? Yeah. Move? Yeah, absolutely. But I go, at least I told you and I will continue to grow as a human outside of this.

Yeah, that's good. So but the girl who cheated on you, she she kept the relationship with you going without you knowing that she cheated. When did you find out that she cheated? Through friends. Oh, like other people. Yeah, that sucks. But it's OK. I mean, yeah, it was one of those things where like we were doing long distance. Oh, and so like I had like I thought she was doing it. Yeah, I had a feeling. You had a feeling. Men get feelings too.

Women have spidey senses that are kind of unparalleled, but men have spidey senses too. I think it's not even like a spidey sense. For me, I'm like, bro, you stop answering texts after like 8 p.m. every day. I go, something's off. Yeah, well, that's – Something's off. Yeah, you're right. It's like the only message coming in. It's like at 1 a.m. and you're like, hey, good night. You're like, all right, well, that was –

I know we talked during the day, but you go, something's off. It's like, you know, you could just, you know, something's off. And so I just asked the people that like, she was around and I was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they were like, yeah, she's been chilling with this dude. And I was like, ah, there we go. Oh, okay. So you asked the friends. That's nice. I hate when the friends just tell you kind of unsolicited.

You know, I don't need that. That's rude. Although I'd want to know. I'd want to know. Even if it was unsolicited. I mean, if I was still with the person, I'd want to know. Myself, you know? Ideally. It feels so embarrassing when everyone else knows before you. Sure. It's so embarrassing. It is. But I don't know why because you did nothing wrong, but it still feels so embarrassing. So embarrassing. I think that fucked me up. But that's why I want people to tell me. Early for me. Right. That was such an early relationship. And then when I cheated, it was fucked up. But...

So do you feel like you've gotten to the place where like you hate women yet or you're still okay? No, I'm good. I'm chilling. Yeah. I go into like everything like pretty like...

happy. Yeah. Like I'm like a very like you started a hundred kind of person. Like some people would be like, you got to build my trust, bitch. You have it. Yeah. And then so it's just kind of slowly eating away from the job. If I don't know you, you just, you started a hundred. Okay. Oh wow. So you, so your glass has your glasses half full. Like you, you assume the best. Yeah. Cause like you, that's a good way to tell me who you are. Yeah. And I'm a rock with that. And if I find out,

you know, something else. I can figure that out. But it's like, I'm going to give you the opportunity to tell me who you are. And if that's who you are, great. Dope. Has a woman ever told you who they were, but you didn't listen? What do you mean? Like, um, if she showed like a red flag early on and you were like, la la la la la. A hundred percent. That happens all the time. Yeah. We're all human. What's a red flag for men? Uh, like a girl, a girl being like, I'm, I'm going to go out with my girls to like do this big trip again and blah, blah, blah.

So women on vacation. Women on vacation, but like who like lie about like what they're doing on vacation. Like go on vacation. That's fine. You've had women lie about what they're doing? What were they doing? She was just like, hey, we're just going out to dinner. We're doing this. And it's like, no, y'all hung out with like other dudes and did all these other things that like you kept a secret. And nothing happened. You didn't cheat. But like the fact that you already withheld that information is enough for me to be like, that's a red flag. And I just let it rock. So wait, what if she said, hey, I'm going to go out with my girls and there's going to be other guys there. But it's not like that.

Like, is that, that's easier. Yeah. Yeah. So is that like a problem for you? We met a group of dudes on vacation. Uh, one of my friends is interested in one of the guys, whatever the truth is. Yeah. And she goes, Hey, one of my friends is really trying to smash this dude. We're going to hang out. It's guys, guys, girls, girls. Cause sometimes you got a wing woman. Yeah. I'm cool with it. Like I let, like, cause I traveled the world for like a little bit. I traveled for like two years, like just around the world and I was in a relationship for a little bit of it.

Just for funsies? Just for fun. I got him a backpack when I was like 21. Wow. And so for me, I'm like solo vacations are the way to go. Like I will always believe that even if I'm with someone. If my wife wants to be like, hey, I'm going to like do a safari in South Africa and I have to work, go do the safari. Yeah. As long as you're alone. Huh?

As long as you're along. No, go with your – if anything, go with friends. Oh, okay. But it's like don't be like hiding things. That's weirder. Like if you're like I'm going with my girls and then out of nowhere there's like two dudes that go and you have like a weird thing with one of the guys who you used to do something with who you don't – like just be honest about whatever the situation is and then you're good. Like that's also why I was saying like communication is so big. Yeah. If you don't tell me everything –

then you're leaving too much space to like assume that worse happened because you withheld information and then I found out about it. And now it's like, why do I have to spiral? Cause you just didn't tell me the truth. Yeah. Yeah. Or do you feel, find yourself spiraling a lot in not spiraling, but like, once again, like I want to communicate that. So like, I'll just be like, Hey,

Can you just tell me what happened? So how, like how frequently are you, uh, communicating with someone when you're in a relationship? Like if you're not seeing them, like, are you texting all day long or a couple of texts a day, maybe like a FaceTime, like once a day or something every two days. Like I just prefer like a, like a conversation. Like just check in. Hey, how was your day? Good. Cool. What are you doing now? I'm home. I'm eating cereal. Great. Like whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I don't have to see you every day. I'm going to check in. Have you ever lived with a partner?

For like a little bit. How was it? It was honestly great. Yeah, it's fun. It's like a sleepover all the time. What's weird is my relationship was better when I lived with this partner than when I didn't. Oh, yeah. I've had that. I've had that before. Because it just felt like I was coming home. I was like, I feel like a father. Like I would come into the house. Daddy's home. She's just reading in the room. And I was like –

I like what's going on right now. I was like, let's get a dog. Yeah, it's so funny. When I moved in with my boyfriend, he walked in on me reading. He goes, oh, this is great. It's great. It's like, this is what I want. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because when you come home, you're like, oh, this is exactly what I envision my future as. Sure. Men have a longing to be like the master of their domain, for real. I'd like that. Of course, yeah. I want to come home. I want a backyard. I want the kids to run to me. When I walk in, I want the kids to be like, dad's home. I go, fucking get over here.

Yeah. Why not? That's fun. That sounds rewarding. It's just, like I said, I like coach sports and I think that changed everything. Like I've always like, how did it change things for you? Like just being around like little kids. Cause they're funny. Like a legit role model for middle school kids. And like, it was cool. Like you were like teaching them like little valuable lessons of like life and watched them grow. And like, yeah, they looked up to you. They would ask me about things. Like even when they graduated, I was like, you guys ever need anything? Like, you know, one of the kids smoked weed.

after he graduated and he like texted me and he was like dude my parents are really mad and like I just thought that it was awesome that like he came to me for it yeah because he was like you're not going to reprimand me but you are going to tell me what not to do yeah what I need to hear like not as a parent but as like an older coach and like role model and yeah slash friend yeah yeah

And so I was like, dude, don't do that. I was like, you're too young, man. I even told him, I was like, I'm not saying don't ever smoke weed, but you're 14. Like I smoked weed for the first time when I was 21. I was like, give it some time. Don't be cool. Like don't smoke cigarettes. Don't do that. I was like, bro, you're a kid. Like go focus on the sports. Like you were good at baseball. Stay doing that. You never know where it takes you. Yeah. Yeah. And that kind of support can like completely change a kid's life, especially when they don't get that at home.

Well, because they hit you up and they're like, yo, thank you so much. Yeah, yeah. Like four weeks later and they're like, I stopped and my mom's happier. I'm like, this is dope, you know? Yeah. Because like that's not my kid, but I feel like I'm helping you. Yeah, yeah. And so there was a lot of that like in baseball and I was like, oh, dude, I'm going to coach my kids sports for sure. Yeah. Oh, that's really sweet. It's going to be a problem.

I'm going to text my agent like, dude, I can't do the road. My son's got a playoff baseball game. We didn't think we were going to go this far, but I go cancel Oklahoma. Yeah, you're a family man. But that's nice. I mean, that's nice to fight. Like if there's something more important to you, and it doesn't have to be family, but if there's something more important to you than this like quest for fame that we're all on. Do you feel like you're on a quest for fame or are you still like a purist? Like you're on the quest for it to be the best stand-up comedian you can be. I still want to be like great.

Yeah. Right. But if being great meant not being famous, would you be like, what, what is your interest level? Do you have an interest level in being famous? I mean, it's not, it's not your question. My idea is just like greatness, greatest, like kind of like, I want to generally be one of the greatest standups. Like I want to put out such like a,

I don't know. A solid special. That's like undeniably one of the top. Beyond a special, like it's like my, I want all of my work, like my portfolio of work in my career to people like marvel at it and be like, damn bro, this is awesome. Yeah. Cause I'm still pretty young in standup, but like things are going, I'm working, I'm moving, I'm on the road, I'm doing my hours and you know, whatever. I'm in, I'm in the process of working. Yeah. And I don't look at it in the mirror every day where I'm like, I'm the best, but I'm like, dude, you're getting better. Yeah. Right. So every day I just want that. And I just think like success comes with money. Like success comes with the fame.

fame. In my head, I'm like, just go be really good at this thing because all the success will bring everything else. It's just like a tree. And it's one of those careers where the more time you put in and the more you shape the clay pot and the better it gets. It's undeniable that you're going to go somewhere with it. Well, you watch people who didn't make it, right? Because maybe they were tardy for so long. Maybe they were disrespectful. Did you just say maybe they were tardy for so long? They were just tardy always. I just never heard someone use tardy.

I couldn't tell you the last time I used the word either. It just came forefront. I was like, I'm feeling tardy. Your dad energy just came out. I go, these kids. They're just tardy all the time. Okay. So they were, yeah.

but like people being late to shit and being unprofessional sure yeah and then you see them and they're 25 years in but you're like this guy's so fucking funny yeah you know yeah yeah yeah there's also people that you watch who've been doing it forever and you go but I don't even know who you are when you tell jokes like I don't want to do that either like I want to give people like a part of me but like tell it in jokes and yeah whatever which is why we're just talking about like I have like jokes about my mom dying too yeah like I talk about things that like are real to me they're not just like

what do you guys think about the fires in LA? Like, and then I write a three minute bit on the fires. It's like dope, but that's not going in the special. Yeah. Yeah. Like that might be for fun. That's like a writing activity. Like you did it at a fucking show. Right. You know, like no, no topical from Max. Yeah.

Real life shit. At a show? Yeah. But like in the special, it's like, it's me. Only evergreen. Yeah. Yeah. I just want like to give people that. Cause like it's, once again, it's like a special. So people should feel like they're taking a chunk of you from it. Sure. Ali Wong is one of my favorites that does it. Her specials are so fucking

good because they're they're they're complete mirror of the part of the life she's at like having a kid getting a divorce like she she's yeah she gives exactly what you said she gives a part of herself yeah like because i love storytelling like yeah we're just talking about like the either topical some people like just like writing punching up i'm like i love a good story yeah like a it's like you've watched him grow up yeah on stage and like there's certain dudes that you're like oh this is sick yeah like you're not just like telling stories like we're growing up with you

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm watching you go from being like – There's more investment. I'm just a broke guy who's telling funny jokes about my life and he's like, now I have a daughter and this is what I did with my kids last week and this was funny. Yeah. And you're like, oh, cool. You're giving us bits and pieces of your like personal life. Yeah. Rather than just being like, this is my take on –

this political event. Well, yeah, I mean, I was, I was interested to see what your standup would be like. Cause I was at, I was, uh, what was that comics to watch Eric that we were at? So I was at comics to watch to support Chloe LaBranche and what? The crowd was rough. Oh, I thought you was, I thought you were, I thought you were like Chloe horrible. And I was like, I will fight you right here on camera. I love her. No. Uh, yeah, no. And I, I, I, I think I was like, uh,

Don't take this the wrong way. Pleasantly surprised by your act because I thought I was just going to be like, I'm a hot guy. That's what every man thinks of us. Are you good?

He just comes out and he's like, this is life from the perspective of my nose ring. And I'm like, I'm going to have to kill myself in this thing. It was so hard being a comedy show at like 3 o'clock in the afternoon or whatever. Terrible timing. I thought you did well. I liked the bit about, I don't know, like the perception of like, you did a bit about like your family being racist and like reporting crimes. I thought that was really funny.

I thought that was really funny. It was very fun. Yeah, no, because I do think, like, when someone comes on stage and looks a certain way, but then their act...

gives you different information than you would get from looking at them about what their life is like. That's what we want to see from a comedian. Yeah. Yeah. What's your story? Everybody's a walking library. Yeah. Um, this has been a great conversation. What do you have? What do you want to promote? What do you want to, where can we see live? Do you have specials that we can listen to? Where can we find you? I have no specials. I have like some stuff up on YouTube. You guys can check me out at Max Manikoff. Um,

Not you guys, but you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys, yeah, don't look at my stuff. We've already, we've already, I've looked at the whole thing. Yeah, I got some road dates. I have like Miami and I have like a couple other dates. You can check them out on my website. And then I have my podcast. I'm actually relaunching my podcast. Nice. What's it called? No Facts with Max. No Facts with Max. Yeah, just kind of conversational. It's fun. It's silly. Yeah. Kind of storytelling based. Good. I have people come on and.

tell stories of things that have happened. Yeah, yeah. Allegedly everything in case there's any... Oh, God. We know that deal. We know that too well. We know that deal. No facts at max. We say everything's fake, nothing's real. We're just having a good time.

So it's a slanderous and defamatory podcast that you have. Allegedly. That you have labeled as not fact. We only have criminals. Right. Okay. No, no, no. Well, we look forward to checking that out. And what's your handle on Instagram? Just Max Manikoff. Just my name. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for having me. Yeah, this has been great. Thanks for trusting us. I thought I was going to have to come in here and be like. Get grilled? When was the last time you got puss? And I was going to be like, fuck it.

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