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Welcome to Guys We Fuck, the anti-slut-shaming podcast. I'm Christina Hudson. I'm Corinne Fiske. Slutting, you're horny, and you're shaming.

Hey, you with one? Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about fucking. Hello, listeners, members of planet Earth, members of this Milky Way universe, galaxy. None of those are curse words or obscene. That's great. Welcome to the podcast. We're super happy to have you. Sorry, I'm stuck in the cord.

Okay, that was fun. Hi. Hello. Hi. Did we say that? You said you said you can't say welcome to guys we it's the anti slut shaving podcast. I'm Corinne Fisher. I'm Christina Hutchinson. Welcome to the show.

If you want to email us, sorry about last night's show, gmail.com, baby. But before you do that, go to CorinneFisher.com and donate or sign up to volunteer or read about her platforms or watch her video and follow Corinne Fisher for Mayor on Instagram. Yeah, right now you probably, you know, hopefully you're not just hearing the news. That means we didn't do our job. But hopefully you know that I am running for mayor of New York City for the 2025 election.

If you're not familiar with politics in New York City, we pretty much always elect a Democratic mayor. I would like to knock on wood because you never know what's the right shift. Which means that the primary that happens on June 24th in New York City is extremely important. Everything is leading up until that.

There will be opportunities to volunteer both in New York City and remotely. If you're good at phone banking, if you're good at asking people for money, then you're automatically a volunteer. Where are my sugar babies? Wait, where are my OnlyFans girls at? You making all that money from that ass? You could give some to Corinne Fisher. And then if you're OnlyFans bad girl rich bitch, you know other OnlyFans bad girl rich bitches. And

I mean, so do we, but they haven't donated yet. So, uh, you know, some of them have, some of them have, some of them have, um, I mean, I'm just assuming by the donations. I'm like, I'm sure some of them. Yeah, sure. Sure. That's true. That's true. I haven't looked at any of the donations, but, uh, if you have money, but then if you want to sign up to volunteer and you live somewhere else, unfortunately we cannot accept donations from anybody who's not a U S citizen. Yeah. It could be a naturalized citizen. So like my boyfriend has a green card. He's an, or no, he's a, he's a naturalized citizen. He hasn't a green card. He's a citizen. No foreign nationals. No foreign nationals. Yes. Um,

This is very important. I recently learned that meme. This is very important. This is very legal because then the campaign has to take time to refund your donation. Yeah. And it creates a whole lot of stuff. Flu problems. But. That we got to do. Yeah. Something that you can do without reaching out to us, without asking us, is if you live in America and you have friends that you would feel comfortable asking if they could donate because use your own best judgment. Yeah.

Do they have money or are they stressed out? If they're in LA and their house got burned down, we let them rest, okay? We give to their GoFundMes, whatever. But we cannot...

hire staff or do anything without these donations. It's illegal for us to contribute to our campaign. Corinne already contributed her max amount, but we kind of are sitting with our thumbs twiddling because we can't do certain things and hire certain people unless we have the donations. And thank you so much to everyone who already donated. Today, we're recording this on the day that we announced, and I am truly overwhelmed by it. I mean, I get an email every time someone contributes to, and my...

inbox is exploding. My DMS are exploding. So many shared the announcement video. Uh, I, I am, I, I think if you, especially if you've been, you've been watching with the out of country, you specifically have been really kind of following my mental process with, uh,

figuring out what it is I want to do in politics or, you know, and me kind of vowing to run for a political office. And then here you see me actually doing it, which is crazy and weird. But here we are. And I'm excited about it. I'm also excited about how many people

With pretty impressive track records in politics are excited and energized by the campaign that Christina and I have put together. Yeah, they're all they were. It seemed like they were all itching to work with somebody who was new and exciting and fun in politics and a fresh new voice. And I mean, you are a

You are the literal definition of that. Yeah, it's really cool to see how also to a lot of the people that are on our staff so far, I noticed that, I mean, I never met them before this, but that they feel freer with their language and they can like just have more fun. Like they want to call us because they could say stuff. They can curse in our meetings and we don't care. Don't say the word titties, sir.

I'm a lady. Fuck that. Say whatever you want. I mean, I believe I used the phrase fat ass in a meeting yesterday. You did. You did. And then we high-fived each other. We did. Yeah. Corinne, I think your exact sentence was, if I just wanted attention, I would just post pictures of my fat ass. Yeah. Which honestly would have been a lot easier. A lot easier, yeah. We were thinking of political responses. Yeah.

to when people would ask me, is this some kind of a publicity stunt? It is not. Or is this a joke? Look at our eyes. We haven't slept. This is not a stunt. Yeah, I cannot reiterate enough how much of not a joke this is. And as I said, there's a far...

easier ways to get both money and attention. If you want money or attention, I actually would not recommend getting into politics. No. This is the only thing I've done since December 6th. I literally cannot...

I mean, there's so much training. There's so much financial disclosure. There's so much information to get a grasp of. There's so many new things you're learning. You're hiring new people. People you're meeting. The second you hire them, you have to keep talking to them every day. Everyone has an opinion on how –

you should present yourself to the world, uh, on the policies that are most important. Please know my entire platform. I got feedback on it, but the platform was created a hundred percent by me. Uh, cause I've lived here for over 20 years in New York city and I just walked around and use my eyes and my observations and you lived your life. And I, you know, also as a comedian, we have, uh,

it's cool because we are visiting multiple boroughs every week. You know, there's, there's been plenty of nights when I was in Queens, Brooklyn and Manhattan within the course of a few hours. So I really feel like I understand the pulse of this city in a way that I don't understand. Honestly, even the place that I'm from. Yeah.

I've, you know, I've now lived in New York city longer than I've lived in, in, in New Jersey. Yeah. Um, can't say that for every mayor. No, uh, can't say that for every mayor.

I was looking at you, Eric. But yeah, it's certainly been a long road to get here and it'll be an even longer road to the primary. But I'm excited and it's cool that everybody knows now. I did want to share. Thank God. I don't have to keep it serious. I know. I'm so proud of Christina. Oh, Jesus Christ. Every time I would see her Instagram story, she was just...

bursting at the seams i noticed that you haven't stopped tagging me because you just like wrote corinne and i'm like oh she probably doesn't want me to see this yeah no i knew you would i knew you would i'm just like i don't i'm not just hurry up and get here january 31st um yeah and so uh i i did want to share just two text messages i received on announcement day oh good um

One is an example of how not to be a male friend to your heterosexual female friend. Listen up, man. And one is an example of how you should be a friend. Which one would you like to hear first, Christina? Names, names. How you should be a friend first. Okay, so how you should be a male heterosexual friend. This award goes to John Campanelli. Oh, okay, okay.

So, and I, first of all, I feel bad because I, my closest friends, I did try to go out of my way to call all of them personally. So they didn't hear the news online. I did. I only got to my literal best friend, Paula last night at like 9 30 PM. And I was worried that was already too late. Cause she has two very young children. Oh shit. Did you get her on the phone? I did. Good. Good.

bless this woman. I texted her. Hey, I was like, I have something really exciting to tell you. Is it okay if I give you a call? And then I was like, I'm not engaged. She's like, didn't think so. And she called, I mean, that phone rang so fast that my hand was still on it. And I accidentally declined it because my hand wasn't in the right place. I was going to say, knowing you, you don't send shit like that. I don't. The reaction time.

I said, you don't ever send shit like that. You've been my best friend since sixth grade and you're still my best friend. Um, so she goes, so Paul, I, I told her immediately. And then she was like, this makes sense. And then she goes, actually, you know, I read about this on Reddit, um,

reddit well good for you girl paula like made the mistake of signing up for google alerts oh no and then started getting all these reddit threads about me and now my one friend did that i got you got it then they would relay it to me like don't tell me what people said she's like been sucked into reddit and and i was like wait they knew i was i was like i'm i didn't announce it yet and then she's like no they didn't know you were running for mayor but they knew that you were gonna announce that you were running for a political office and i was like okay well that's yeah that's something that i've been teasing for a long time yeah um

And so Paula said, well, I thought she said she said I thought that you were going to tell me that you got a TV show. So I like that she knows me well enough that she knew what I would be excited about was career related. And she said, well, if it wasn't that my second guest would have been engagement, but I like that her first guest was career.

clearly no questions asked honestly related if when you tell me you're engaged if you're ever going to engage you're like oh by the way I'm engaged anyway can we go to this episode like I can't even imagine you spending more than two seconds on it I like I feel like I would be excited and share that joy with the person yeah but like I just

don't know that I would be very excited to tell my friends because to me relationships are so between me and the person although when I like them that way when my yeah when my friends have told me they got engaged I do get really excited I was really happy when Paula got engaged yeah and so so John Campanelli wins how to be a friend to a straight woman yeah John wins he texted me

as soon as he saw the announcement, and he lives in LA, so that's even more impressive. Wow. Early bird. We posted this 10 a.m. Eastern time, and he said, you're amazing, and let me know any way I can help. What a perfect heterosexual male text message. Didn't give you his opinion on the policies. He said something positive and complimentary. He offered to help. And offered assistance. What? No notes. No notes. No notes, Sean Kavanaugh. And then...

Followed up with actually connecting me with people that he knows who could help and are knowledgeable in the world of politics. John, good job. Good job. This is what I want to see from you, John. Good job. I really, really love this. Who could suck it? Okay, so I'm not going to name a name. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. What are some of your relationship green flags? We often hear about red flags of things we should avoid, but what if we focused more on looking for green flags instead?

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What the hell? Okay. It's not going on, but it's this person. Oh, yeah. Ish, ish, ish. Okay. Yeah.

So this person – I don't have a good vibe towards him. This is not a person I really speak to. It's a person who I saw more regularly in my – so like 15 years ago. Yeah. That's why – yeah, I know exactly. Yeah. And even – The establishment. So was in a friend group that I hung out with regularly 15 years ago. Yeah. Have not seen this person in person before.

Over a decade. Maybe a little more recently, but doesn't live in the state anymore. Anyway, so he says, Corinne, you are so incredible. Okay, good so far. That's fine. No, no. I can't believe I botched a chance to sleep with the future mayor of NYC. Oh my God.

And then knowing that I might not like that in the same text offers an alt of the same text, which I've never really seen a text presented in this matter. But he goes or semicolon. I'm so happy to be personal friends with the future mayor of NYC. I adore you. Oh, my God. Nothing you say matters after the sleeping thing. I've since cooled down, but I.

was so excited and so hyped up with the response to the announcement ad. It's a pretty good response. We were up really, really late working on this, like down to the wire. I was writing a press release half asleep. I'm texting. I was trying to text you. I was like, I'm fine. I gotta go. You know, everything made it on time. But I mean, I was, you know, I was... Down to the wire though. I was doing web copy copies.

corrections just I wanted everything to be really perfect right you know because you're gonna get scrutinized when they have eyes on you well and also you know this is a this is my first impression in the political community right you know so I'm already a public figure but to me this is different this is totally different you only get for one first chance just the same way as like you know

When people see you do comedy, you only get one first chance. So you better be pretty good that first time that you have people spend their hard-earned money to come see you. So I wanted to take this extremely seriously. I'm a perfectionist. And I also wanted to make sure with issues like policy that I was –

conveying exactly what I wanted to convey so there was no misinterpretation about anything. Wise. And so I was so hyped up. I really was so hyped up. And, you know, it just, it went well. And then this, like,

It just, it, it soured. Yeah. It, it disappointed me. It was inappropriate. It's, it's, it's like sad. It was for, first of all, I do want to just clarify, um, at no time,

point in my life was having sexual relations with this man ever on the table for you for me yeah and so first of all it's like weird yeah it's like it's like your friend that's a brother yeah admitting that he jerked off to you you're like and

And it's just reinforces the worst part of men. And I actually wasn't feeling that today. Like, yes, I will say pretty much the only few negative comments were from men, but I know where they're from, what universe they're from. Oh yeah. Let's say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was expecting it. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's fine. You know, the only negative comment I saw from a woman was someone who said, you're not a New Yorker. You moved here when you were. And then says she was moved here when she was 17. And I'm like,

Please look up the dictionary definition of a New Yorker. The definition is a native or an inhabitant of New York. Oh, okay. So I am a New Yorker. I love that for you. But again, also you, you, I mean, yeah, I knew people would do that, you know, to do it. Well, cause you, you've always, you've always without intention triggered other people's insecurities without trying at all, just being you. And I, yes, of course that doing something so bold that, um,

most people, including myself, do not have the balls to fucking do. I am not interested in running for office in any way ever. So it takes a certain person, and I feel like if you have a hatred towards yourself, you're going to take that potential admiration for somebody doing something so fucking bold and brave and just take it personally. So that makes sense. Yeah, and I was just excited, and I felt like people –

You know, I do sometimes have a problem with how I am perceived. Not a personal problem with it, but I'm like, sometimes I feel like there's a miscommunication or... Yeah, it gets in the way. People project onto you. And it's like, dude... But in this announcement, I really felt... Like, I genuinely really want to work hard to make this city a better place for everybody. And I felt like that came across and people responded to it. Yes, yeah. And were like... So you felt seen for who you are. They were like, yes, let's do this. Um...

And I love that. And we want more people who are like, or her like, yeah, I don't want to run for office. Yeah. Fuck that shit. But I'll gladly support someone. Yes. Who's going to, you know, throw themselves to the wall, throw herself to the walls. Cause she's, cause she's in the words of my brother, a psychopath. My brother's very supportive, but he did say that. I mean, it is a batshit crazy thing, but it also makes so much sense. I can only imagine if I was my older sister.

I can only imagine. If I was related to you, I'd be like, yeah, it makes sense. No, my brother is so sweet. He like posted on Instagram and he was like, wait, he was like, way to go. Like, let's go sis. Oh, that's cute. And then gave me all this other information and contributed and everything. And so, yeah, I was so, I just was getting so angry because I was, I was,

It was reinforcing all these things, these negative things that we talk about in relationship to men, heterosexual men on this podcast. And I was like, even on an announcement day, a day where I am announcing my candidacy for public office, this person was

Had to, number one, try to still get in a door that has never been open. It's been locked, bolted shut. There's three doors together. You know the Nosferatu dungeon? That's one of the doors. And secondly, just reminding me in...

an indirect direct way that the only reason I am still in his life and I have tried not to be, I'm going to block him after this. I just don't know if I should say something or if I should not say something is because he is still holding on to a what if that was never a what if on my end. And it was really just really disappointing. And I know I have to get better at like,

you know, just one thing not affecting me. And it's not sour the whole day or anything, but like, well, especially because you were getting this amazing reaction. It made this just, this, this just something about this. And also because I've done a really good job of cutting men like this out of my life. Yeah. Right. So it feels so extra. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I know, I do know who this person is and I think slimely of them.

Like I think they are a slimy person before you would have shown me that just their name. I'm like, Oh, I remember it's a person at a Halloween party with that person. Ages ago. I know exactly what you were talking about. I didn't fucking like him then either. Yeah. This isn't, this is, this is a person who there's another instance of my, of our mutual friend who is now married and,

but she has a story where she like went out to dinner with him and she's like, Oh, I didn't know this was the date. And like, he thought it was like a whole day. Like, so this has been going on. Yeah. Yeah. He's probably, you know, faking incompetence. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. Pissed you off. I think there was just something specifically, you know, triggering quite honestly to me about, um,

Even a woman on the day that she is announcing she is running for mayor of New York City still has to deal with the guys who are still wondering if they ever had a shot. And that I guess that just blew my mind.

Yeah. I didn't think that poorly. That's bolder than you running from air. Well, I also, yeah, I think I really did it. Yeah. It's just, it's gross. It's just, it's a type of guy that's like a tiny chunk, but that tiny chunk is so gross and they make me disappointed in humanity. If you get too wrapped up in their world and their thoughts and that's why you have to keep them at a distance. Yeah. And so I wanted to share that because throughout this process, uh,

one thing that I, that I really think is important and that I want to do and that I've talked to Christina about and that we will be doing, uh, is sharing the process of running for public office. Yeah. Uh, it's not for the faint of heart. Yeah. I want a lot of transparency because I want,

who watches this show, specifically young women, um, but not, it doesn't have to be young. I'm not, I'm not, I mean, in politics, I'm young, but I'm not, you know, it's not crazy. We're young ladies, um, to, to, to see what it takes to run for office. And my hope is that it makes it less scary when you see someone else doing it. And you just understand, uh,

what goes into it. Um, and obviously it doesn't have to be something like the mayor of New York. It can be, uh, and, and, and mayor in many places is a, is a smaller and more local office that I think, yeah, throw your hat in the ring. Absolutely. If you live in a town, even, you know, I think where I'm from, you can affect change, you know, town of like 58,000, even right. Right.

mayor. Do it. The mayor dictates the budget. Yeah, a lot of times people just keep getting reelected because no one's challenging them. I'm not recommending that you challenge someone who you think is doing a good job just to say, ha ha, I'm the mayor. Yeah, don't do that. What are you, in Portlandia? You know, but if

People are not doing a good job and they're not being challenged. Challenge them. Even if you don't win, you're going to make everyone in your community think, you know what? We should be keeping an eye on this person a little bit more. And I'm glad you challenged them. And I think you'll really gain the respect of the people around you. We are living in such a – and I can say this for certainty. Even though I'm only 36 and I have not – so I've only been in the world that long –

And this is the only lifetime that I have any fucking recollection of. We are living in a world where we had the first midair collision in our aviation airspace. And the president who runs our country blamed it on the FAA hiring people that have things like dwarfism and missing limbs.

And that's not a joke. Like, I have a friend, Jordan, who lives in Bali and she does not watch the news at all. She's only on Instagram to post. She's amazing. She's got planet butter. Go follow her with an I in the planet. But,

I'll zoom with her every two weeks and I'll tell her what's going on and we'll cry laughing because I hear myself saying it. It sounds made up. It sounds so made up. I haven't told her about the whole him going on the rant about like dwarfism and missing limbs and psychiatric problems. I mean – Well, I think he blamed it on DEI and then I think everyone got so angry at him for racism that he's like, no, I didn't mean different races. I meant different heights. Yeah.

I'm in heights. I'm in people with, uh, yeah, physical, uh, disabilities. And you're like, Oh, okay. Also really bad. Like, I mean, it's just, and you know, I'm not, Oh my God. You think he's not going to say more stuff to shock you. And then, and then he does. So now I, okay. So now I've prepared myself of like, this is just going to be the four years is that, but I think you,

And I know this is a bold thing to say, but we in a bold space right now. I think you are going to make a permanent dent in how politics goes in the future because we need actual people running the country because there's so many Americans in this country that are amazing. Amazing Americans who voted for Trump and amazing Americans who voted for Kamala because let me tell you, we've been sold on a lie that we're too different. We are not.

We want the same things. We want to feel seen and heard and respected. We want to earn a living so that we don't have to fucking stress out. We don't want one job. We want to have a nice life. And you deserve that. You deserve a nice life. Every single person deserves a nice life. So, and an opportunity to get a nice life for themselves. So I really think that. I want a difficult life. So I'm going to, I'm going to, I, I, something about, now I get, I like having a difficult life.

life so yeah I really do thank God thank God but I but I want you guys to enjoy your nice life so just so but just don't chastise me for wanting to lead a difficult life I'm not want a nice life now I ask when you used to say I don't like having fun and I would always go what yeah you do but now I get it to me this is fun

To me, learning how to run for mayor and doing it. And it is fun. I've, this is the most fun I've had. I'm fascinated by this whole process. I feel like we're, I feel like we're in Veep. I fucking love the show Veep on HBO or Showtime for HBO. It's a great fucking show, but I feel like it's Veep now. Like we're having the almost like identical conversations and we could talk how we want to talk. And I think that's inviting members of our staff to do the same who feel comfortable with that. But like,

I just think that there should be no reason that someone should feel threatened that they can't run for office because they don't have experience. The only experience you need is understanding the place that you want to govern and having a vision for how that place can be better. I really believe. And I think that where the pivot we're making is also going to eventually make everybody realize that kindness isn't weak, caring for somebody's wellbeing, caring for any minority group, whether that be economical, racial disability, any of that is not,

weak. You're not a pussy ass bitch for caring about people. That's actually my campaign motto. I'll take a percentage of the funds. Yeah, no, but like that's, it seems like that's the message that's getting put across is like,

Because I think we all have been sold this illusion that we don't have enough room to care about everything. But it doesn't take as much mental fortitude to like, you know, show up for a cause that we believe in, whether it's donating your time or your money or spreading the word. Well, I think we've made a mistake as a society that we either care about – we have to either care about nothing or care about everything. True. True.

And caring about everything will push you to exhaustion. But and I think this is really a criticism I actually have for the left. And again, I'm Democrat. I'm running for the Democratic Party. But I have a lot of I have a lot of criticisms for the left. And I think we need to rebrand. And this is not just me. This is anyone who cares about the future of the Democratic Party knows this.

But I think on the left, we have convinced ourselves that we have to come down hard on anyone who's not caring about everything. And that has led us to the place that we are in now. You can't yell at somebody because they're not a vegetarian. Like you just get, we gotta stop with that. You can't, you can't. But you can live your truth and stand up for the...

Everybody has causes that they care about and that's how it should be. Like my causes that I care about are different from Corinne's causes. Good. Because if we all had the same cause, then all the other causes will get left in the dust. That's true. Let's go to these emails. Um,

This email, it says, why can men never think of safety from a woman's perspective? Hi, Corinne and Christina, long time fucker here. I'll get right into it. I am a single 30-year-old female. I'll call myself Sarah. I bought a single family home in 2022 and renovated it so that the basement is a second union. Oh my God, I'm so jealous.

It has its own entrance and everything. Oh, that's so nice. The only shared spaces with the upstairs unit is the backyard, and there is a shared laundry room also in the basement. I've been renting out both the upstairs and downstairs until the past year or so, but I decided to move into the upstairs unit recently. Good for you, girl.

That's very nice.

For example, one time I had found out he installed his own security cameras on the house without asking me. Like the exterior, that just feels like a man move, but okay. When I asked about it, he said he was just a little paranoid because he was a veteran with PTSD. Understandable. But I feel like he should have asked first. Yeah, he should have asked. Yeah, but I also get...

him freaking out and just doing it recently i was relaxing on my deck and had to re-angle the camera he installed because i felt like it was pointing directly at me that's not good well that's weird one time he can't blame that on the ptsd yeah one time he called me and when i didn't answer he texted and said he was just calling to wish me happy holidays okay okay all right okay i don't think i've ever called a landlord for anything yet alone just to say happy holidays i mean

I mean, yeah, I love I love saying happy holidays and happy new year to everybody. It's one of my favorite. I do, too. I get so joyous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love text. Happy New Year. I love it. I don't care if they ever text me back. Don't matter. I just love spreading the joy of a happy new year. Yeah. Another time he told me he liked my Christmas tree. And when I asked if he was getting one, he laughed and said, I work for the mob, Sarah. I'm not getting a Christmas tree. That's a little weird. What? It's a little strange.

It very well could have been just a joke, but there are a lot of reports about the mafia being associated with Italian restaurants in the area I'm in. Oh, wait. That explains the security cameras. Yeah. Oh, shit. Italians love... We love Christmas trees. Italians love Christmas trees. Yeah, but I don't know. That I don't know about. But if he's joking that he's in the mob and he installed security cameras, maybe he's in the mob.

I'm probably overthinking it, but what finally brought me here to type up this email is the text that I got from him today. He said, Hey, Sarah, are you working tomorrow night? One of these nights, if you are free and up for it, I was informed about a cool place to check out. I mean, he's trying to ask you on a date. Yeah. I don't know anyone around here and maybe you wouldn't mind accompanying. Yeah. You don't, but you've lived there for over a year. You don't know anybody. Yeah.

How about how come you don't know anybody at Italian restaurant? Now I'm a little sus. Well, men don't make friends a lot of times. That's their problem. I mean, yeah, but I'm... Because I think they don't... They don't know how? That's why they ask women out a lot, I think, because they're like, oh, it's kind of like a friendship, but I could get more.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're not wrong. I get it. Well, sometimes, too, it's more comfortable going to the opposite sex to, like, hang out for some reason. Like, it's just, even if you don't want to hook up with that person, it's just like, I don't know. This is what we're supposed to do. So, like, that's why a lot of guy friends...

I'm confused because he's lived in the area at least since 2023 when he moved into my house. But on the application he filled out, it also said he owned a home in the area since 2020 that he had sold recently. So maybe he's just lonely. But saying he doesn't know in the area struck me as odd. It also just frustrates me that men don't have to ever think about safety like we do as women. Yeah, I can't do anything about that. How can you not see that living alone as a single female being asked out by the man that lives below me might make a gal a bit uncomfortable?

I wish we lived in a world where that was the case. And some of the best men I know also might have done that faux pas too. I wouldn't even want a male tenant, to be honest. No, I would never get a male tenant. But nothing bad for you, person who wrote us, that you did. I get it. Especially, too, if you meet him and you're like, oh, this guy seems nice. I could—

Yeah. I mean, I've had a male roommate, but I knew him and I had a crush. Yeah. I was gonna say that being said, I had three male roommates that I didn't know, but I just really wanted that apartment. And for some reason we interviewed so many women, but only men were receptive to the apartment because it was not like cozy. Like, yeah, it was, yeah. That was one of the best apartments I've ever been in. Yeah. It was wild.

I already have anxiety about living alone as it is, which is my fault for listening to too many true crime podcasts. But now – You're a woman in the world. We get it. We get it. But now I have to worry about my tenant retaliating for rejecting him or not having the mob on my side, LOL. I mean, we don't know that for sure. Did he react in a way that was – He could just be just a little weird. Yeah. Which –

I know guys that are innocently weird. Yeah, you could just say like – And at first I was freaked out by them and then I just realized, oh, you're like a sweetie but you're weird. Okay. And maybe he does want to fuck. He's a man. You're a woman. Maybe he does want – but it's every guy. You could just like say like, hey, I just like make it – I just set a rule for myself that when I became a landlord that I wasn't going to really –

interact socially with my tenants. I just think it's a gray area and I'd like to not make things confusing. Sure. That's fair. And take note of how he responds. Yeah. And maybe he is just asking me out platonically, but then I think no grown man wants to be your friend. Correct. I don't think he's asking.

out. I've already decided I'm going to text him back and say something along the lines of thank you for thinking of me but I like to keep a strictly professional relationship with all of my tenants. I hope you understand. You clearly have listened to us. Beautiful. But my question is am I being an asshole? No. No.

No. Am I overthinking it? No, you have a spidey sense. Am I correct that he's being inappropriate? Am I gaslighting myself? I don't know that he's being appropriate, but I don't think he really fully thought this through. Yeah. Right? Like, I don't... No, that's a man move. I think perhaps because I'm guessing you're both the same age, that he's not thinking...

So he thinks of the relationship differently. Yeah. Like if the landlord was a guy his age, I could see him also asking a world where he would ask that guy out to go to this place. Like, hey, dude, you want to grab a few beers? Absolutely. Yeah. I think of my home personal space as sacred and feeling comfortable and safe in my own house is important to me. That's why I wouldn't get a male tenant. Even if it was like your roommate, I would recommend not having sex with that person. It's just a muddy area. And I do agree in keeping your space sacred. Listen.

lesson learned not to rent out to a single man again there you go sure yeah which not to say this guy's bad because i don't know i don't know i don't think so but also a man can become single at any time you know you can't really control that 24 7 yeah uh but in the meantime how do i move forward with the situation there's a lot of time between now and summer 2025 thanks for any advice at all have friends over and for all that you do have friends over to your part of the house and just have a community of people where you hang out but also the guy she didn't

even she didn't even as of writing this email she didn't even text the boundary to the guy so maybe hopefully the guy just responds with okay I understand yeah which is totally possible yeah I don't think if he as long as he responds in a rational way you don't have to do anything differently than what you've been doing and I also curious where did he put the camera was it outside of the entrance to his unit because he

But then does people come over a lot? You know what I'm saying? And like, was it pointing towards you? Cause it's a motion sensor camera. Exactly. Which it could be. He's in the basement. Like Dr. Evil. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I, where does the feed go for the security camera? You're the landlord. You should have access to the feed.

Or does the security company actually, I think, has access to the feed? Well, I think it's like a ring camera. I mean, they'll have access to the feed, but it also goes to whoever owns the camera. This seems like it's a security camera where it would be for the hired security company. Because it depends. If it's a ring camera, yes, it goes to the owner of security. Like you can actually have a hired company that is surveying it. That's more like what you would do. No, no.

No, that's like, no, you would do business or a home. See, I'm trying to buy a house in the woods soon and I want security cameras everywhere, but that's just so I could see the animal interactions. So then you should get like ones on the ground with motion sensors and you can see like a little gopher. Uh huh. Uh huh. Or any like ghosts or whatever. I don't know who fucking knows, you know, catching a comet. Who knows? There's so much shit that can happen in the woods. So many mystical creatures. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm like, there is a world where maybe he just wants to see the squirrels, but that's probably unlikely. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, so hopefully you set the boundary. Yeah. Hopefully you set the boundary. You're not overthinking it too because it's a little weird. It's one of those things where if you're a woman and the situation involves a straight man and it's possible that some elements could be weird but you just don't know, statistically speaking, it's safer for the woman to go, I'm going to keep a little bit of a distance. That doesn't mean that this guy has any ill intentions. But who knows? Who knows? Maybe he's just a sweetie, you know? Yeah.

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Maybe just pause the Patreon because, again, every donation matters. And, you know, part of what I wanted to prove in this campaign – there's a lot of things I want to prove. But part of what I also wanted to prove was that – or answer the question, do you need to be a millionaire to run for mayor? That was an article that was printed in –

a news outlet and do you have a couple years ago do you have to promise corrupt people corrupt things to get into office yeah i mean when i learned that the maximum donation if you're participating in the matching funds campaign is two thousand one hundred dollars i'm like so then i wouldn't think you could corrupt people but i guess there's promises made behind closed doors that's i mean look at trump i mean it's like endorse yeah yeah that's like that comes with like a development yeah and uh

I'm also curious. When you endorse a union, obviously you need to genuinely feel excited about what they're doing and want to protect these people and have an understanding of their day-to-day jobs, what they're up against. But then what do they – I'm just curious to learn what do they –

expect from you maybe just like more recognition, more eyes on them maybe? Sure, yeah. I mean, so far, very few people, I mean, you guys have given me lots of donations without asking for anything, but anyone who I know in real life has, they've all kind of expected that I'm going to push their policy through. And I'm talking about like just comics. And I'm like, oh my God. What? Oh my God. Everyone thinks. I think we're serious about it. Well, look, everyone is the star of their own life, but like don't bring that over to Corinne's life. You know what I mean? Well, but I, you know, as I,

As I run everything, I truly have an idea that, I mean, it's not like we can have a bunch of elections every time we're going to make a decision. Sure. And I'm not going to, you know, everyone's not... Everyone doesn't have a say. Yeah, everyone doesn't have a say in everything, but...

I'm really going to listen to the people. Yeah, I know you are. I know you are. I want to do the things that the people in the city want. You know what I've been doing too lately? I've been acting like a politician. My drum teacher, he has a child in public school. I'm like, hey, what? And I was asking him about his experience with dealing with New York City public schools that had me asking other people that I knew that had kids in public schools and private schools. And then I'm talking to all my cab drivers. I had the best, oh my God, the best cab driver from Bangladesh, but he's lived here for 29 years.

I had the best conversation with him about his rent and how his rent has gone from like in 96, $300 for a two bedroom to like, you know, he's like, you can't get a one bedroom in this area for five under $5,000. I'm like, that's insane. It's insane. But you really go like, there is such a need for politics to do good,

by the people and it's just not happening. So I'm very excited. And I'm interested to see how difficult it really is, how many hurdles there are and how many kind of, you know, evil video game characters you have to pass at every level. And I know that you're not even interested in placating anybody that you don't respect or have any... I'm not in here to be a career politician. I intend on being mayor for eight years and then going back to being an entertainer. Yeah. I mean, you'll have a lot of material. But yeah, for sure. But...

Yeah, because I'm still so confused as to how – and I know this is different. It's a country, but it's – to be fair, New York City is the largest municipality budget of any country – any city in this country. Yeah.

Why – it's always bothered me why the United States government can fund all these bomber planes, all these like aid for foreign countries, which I understand the allyship and I vaguely understand that. But the fact that we have people in this country that are hungry and can't afford to like take their kid to the doctor –

It just – it still blows my mind that we have money and we just – we don't spend money on people. And I think a lot of people feel that way. And there is – I do understand that as a country you have to maintain relationships with your allies in other countries and that you don't want to only think nationally. You do want to think globally. Sure.

But yeah, I mean... And you don't want other people to suffer. You don't want your allies if you can help them. The amount of money that we give to other countries to do destructive things... Yeah, it's not great. ...to hurt other people... When people in our country are suffering. ...when people in our country are going to bed hungry or unhoused, yeah, is reprehensible. And we push him. And I truly... I'm... I was already thinking... I was already thinking just the weight I would feel or will feel when...

Like even if something, you know, obviously things are, people are going to die in your city in public spaces, right? Oh yeah. Yes. And then especially New York city. And I was already thinking like, I am going to have to have like five therapists. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree because I am going to blame you for it. Well,

They can do whatever they want. But that's got to – I am going to – I feel like I'm going to be like, what could I have done so that that didn't happen? Yeah, I mean there's a lot of – I know you want to tackle the loneliness epidemic in New York City. New York City is so famously –

And we're also cool. We should talk to each other. Yeah, totally. But like, I love talking. I actually love talking in my, to my neighbors, which is what an unme thing to say. It is interesting. I like, I like a sense of community. I'm always chatting at the dog park, but that Hudson yard structure, like the honeycomb structure. Yes. They had to have a rule that too, you can't go up without a buddy because people just jumped off and killing themselves. And that happens a lot in New York city. People do. I, my old apartment building, somebody jumped off the roof while I was sitting in the living room and I heard it.

I remember that. The George Washington Bridge. And this is like – mental health means so much to me as somebody who grew up in a thunderstorm of mental health not being handled well. And me as a lot of – my friends have killed themselves. Yeah, seriously. I feel like as a soundbite doesn't sound good as a reflection on – No, it's not. I mean, no, it's not because of you.

No, I know. Yeah. That would be narcissistic if I was like everyone. Yeah. I'm just like so annoying that everyone did that. But I think that like, yeah, I think there's a really great opportunity to foster a sense of community, which is that's one of the best feelings in the entire world. And that's why people join extremist groups. It's because they feel lonely in the basement. And here's a group that will accept them with open arms. That's all anybody wants.

We want to be accepted and loved for who we are. And we want to be supportive so we can go after the life we want. And I can't wait for you to live in New York City when Corinne's mayor because that's going to happen. Yeah, come. Come move here. Come on. A city for girls. Wow.

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And actually, okay, so New York City does have, it's like 52, it's like 53% women, right? It goes back and forth, but it's like 52, 53% women. So we do always have more women here than men. So it's a city where it rolls.

And boys. And they, thems. And transgender, non-binary, all that. Obviously, it's a fucking hub for any... Well, that's the coolest thing about New York City. It's a place for everybody. I couldn't wait to move here when I was a teenager. Yeah. Because I was like, I'm so sick of wearing a...

mildly interesting outfit and everyone get their necks falling off because they turned around so fast. I love this town because you could absolutely scream cry on the streets and everyone's like, yeah, that's okay. Honestly, I love that. That's a selling. Maybe we could, no one looks at you weird. We could sell it as a tourist destination for those going through something. Honestly. Yeah.

Oh, and it's the best city to explore by yourself. Holy shit. But I've cried. I've done so much whack shit in public. Ain't nobody looking at me weird. They're like, whatever you're going through, I've probably been there too. It's okay.

It's the best town ever. It's truly the best town. It'll be our eat, pray, cry, eat, scream, cry, whatever it is. There's plenty of prayer here. Any religion that you are, you can find a place, a house of worship for your religion. Can we do a day of screaming if you're mayor? That's where we get too far left, Christina. No, it's just to let it out. That's too far left. It's just getting outraged. Oh no, this is a big... Screaming, this is like a thing on the far left.

Really? Yeah, like when a politician you don't like is elected into office, the right waits for us to scream and cry and then shares clips of it. That's hilarious. Honestly, if I was the right, I would do the same thing. I was like, this is part of the rebrand. Who I am naturally is actually, I think, really good for...

what the, the rebrand that the democratic party needs because I, we, you need to have empathy, but you need to be a pussy. You need to, yeah, there needs to be a toughness about the empathy. Yeah. It's like a hard outer shell and a soft center, which I'll have. My boyfriends can come on my to tell you. Yeah, no, my, my screaming was more stress induced, not like sadness, but yeah. Um, also my kid mayor campaign is, um,

I'm telling you, it's going to be a hit kid mayor. Yeah. Kid mayor. Yeah. I know. Elected public school kid mayor. I love getting children more. And I think that will also help, you know, the right loves to talk about how everyone's getting indoctrinated. It's like, well, what do you think you putting there, your religious beliefs and your social beliefs, books that they can read and your political beliefs on them is, what do you think that is? That's, that's that. So, yeah, well, I mean, kid mayor is a,

is very aligned with my policy about critical thinking programs that I want to introduce into schools. Yep. Guys, wackos, read the website. You're going to love that. Dude, it's very exciting. Yeah. It's actually very exciting. We want a future of leaders, not followers. That's how you prevent Donald Trump. Yeah. And he's not doing a good job.

But you know who is doing a good job? Today's guest. Yes, she is. Oh my God. She's great. She's great. So funny. This is her second appearance on the show. Yeah. I love her. Every time I see her at a comedy club or any in a party, I'm just like, thank God. I love her. I love this woman. She has amazing stories. Yes. She's a stand-up comedian and she just, she's lived a thousand lives. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Tracy Carnazzo. Hello.

We are here with staring villainous stand-up comedian Tracy Cardenas.

Hi. Hi, Tracy. Thank you for having me. I feel like we've had you on before, but that's just because I've had a lot of late night conversations with you. We have, right? That's why. That's why. I was going to say, like, we definitely did. I just don't know when. A long time ago. Yeah. You were at my house? I was at your house. Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought. Well, happy to have you back. Thank you so much. Did you even know you were having me back?

I figured you, I feel like we've asked you a thousand times and then maybe this is only your second appearance. It's my second appearance. Yeah. But yeah, but we, I, but I feel like, cause I, I just like a few months ago I was like, Hey, do you want to come on guys? And I was like, yes. And then we're like, all right, let's schedule that. I was like, okay, I'm pretty, I'm pretty easygoing. Just very chill. Yeah. Um, you're easygoing, but you also would kill for Alec Baldwin. Kill. What's that about? I love him. I've always loved him. Beetlejuice. Oh,

Oh, it's Beetlejuice that's out for you? That's what did it? Yeah. Yeah. I was pretty young when Beetlejuice came out and I knew that I wanted him. Beetlejuice was pretty hot. Like the fact that like Lydia's young and he's just like coming into her room an older man. Like it was sensual. Wait, Alec wasn't Beetlejuice so that was Michael Keaton, right? Right, but he was in Beetlejuice. What year was Beetlejuice? Michael Keaton.

88, yeah. 87 was my guess. Are you guessing that? Is that off the top of your head, Eric? Well, I'm 33, so I wasn't even born yet. Eric wasn't even born in 1988. Yeah, I don't trust Eric's answer unless it was internet researched. Also, very weird that you would just know that then. Yeah. It's like you were waiting in the winds for us to ask. Yo, Michael Keaton, though, that's my guy. No, I couldn't even see him. Oh, he's so hot.

Wow. You really love Alec. Have you ever ran into him? He's a prominent New Yorker. I haven't ran into him, but he was arrested in a friend's precinct. And I was like, I'll come pick him up right now. Yeah.

I was like, do you need me to bail him? I'll bail him right now. When he was accused of shooting the prop, the woman. Devastated. Yeah. Yeah. I was devastated. I was like, my baby. Yeah. I'll bail you out. I've been to her grave site. It's in Hollywood Cemetery. Oh, dear. Oh, dear.

That's such a correct move. Wow, we're kind of like on opposite sides right now. I mean, I wasn't like there to mourn her. But I did notice it and I was like, oh, that was sad. Right. Well, yeah, she's, I mean, like, because there's a ton of celebrities there and she was near, like, she's, her grave is near the water. Oh, nice. One of the Ramones, I think. Ooh. Yeah. The Ramones are from Forest Hills. Really? Yeah, they're from my neighborhood. All right. A lot of good people from Queens. That's it. No. Question mark. What?

Speaking of question marks, you've dated some question marks. No. I'm doing well. Well, that's because you said that you've de-centered men in your life. Isn't it fun? Yes. And we were just talking about that last week. Corinne read an article about this concept of de-centering men. And I was like, oh, that's a really great way to put that because it's not anti-men. It's not – and we've been – you and I were texting like how much –

socializing and like just we have been trained to center men. Women have been trained to center men. Oh, I mean society has been trained to center men. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that. It's very weird because I've been like reading a lot about the male gaze and the things that we do for the male gaze. Right.

You don't realize it. Oh my God. And I think about like, God, I wish you could pick your, your sexual orientation. Cause the idea of being gay, the idea of being a lesbian, like it automatically takes pressure off of me of like, I don't care everything I do. I wouldn't even have to think twice. I knew I was doing it for myself. Of course. Now also it's like the way that you dress, the way that you speak, the way everything is like, everything's curated. Right. Yeah.

The thing is though, like we would, so even if you were a lesbian and you were trying to attract women, you would have to attract women before they were damaged by the ingrained misogyny because women are just as mean as men. Well, that's the thing. I would go to Brooklyn and it's ingrained misogyny and like, and you, and you see it, you see it, you see it in the gay community for sure. You know? Yeah. Uh,

I think the queer, like if, when you talk about like the queer community specifically is for our freeing themselves a little bit more from it, but it's, but it's there everywhere. Like, like gay men and, and, and lesbians certainly still having green massage. And he's very bad. Mm hmm.

What are examples of urinary massage? Oh my God. I mean the way that we dress. Yeah. The way that, you know, it's also just like when I think about sometimes I'll just judge a woman in my head and I'm like, Christina, shut the fuck. But, but that's the automatic thing that we do. Yeah. Well, we're, we're constantly criticizing. I actually, this is so lame, but I started an exercise where like, instead of like, uh,

Just to recalibrate my brain, when I walk down the street, I make myself give everyone a compliment in my head. That's good. I love that. Because I just feel like, especially in internet culture, our immediate response is to say something negative or what we don't like. So I was like, how can I say...

even if they look like a wreck, I go, even if she's trying, she, you're trying strong. I like, look at all that person's been through and they're still here. Yeah. But,

That's so funny. Sometimes I'll say to myself. Very backhanded, but still a compliment. I'll look at people in my head. Disgusting lady. She's so gross. I don't say that. And still got on the train like this dirtbag that she is. Well, I just, I'm picturing my head. I saw that I'm a young man who was like really fucked up on math on the way here. And so I was just thinking about saying something positive.

about he probably had a tough upbringing yeah i actually did think that i always think about people's parents i go oh i go oh he probably he didn't his mother's he didn't he didn't have a good we don't have the all have the mental fortitude to survive a traumatic childhood yeah we just what do you mean i was fine was your childhood how was your childhood it was weird yeah weird as as it can be in what way there's so many so the thing is my childhood was like regular from the outside

Okay. But from the inside is what counts. It's on the inside. It's weirder. You know, when you, when you go to therapy and you like really pull things apart, you're like, Oh fuck. Hmm. That was not, that was not. Hmm. Yeah. You kind of like uncover things that you're like, I thought that was totally normal. Yeah. What was it? What's an example of something that you go, Hmm. Uh,

Um, I don't know. I mean, there's like really deep shit that like, I don't know if I want to divulge, but just things that you reflect on where you're like, yes, this was a proper treatment of this thing that happened to me. And then, uh, your therapist is like, what? Right. That,

No, no. This is, oh, wow. Okay. This explains everything. Yeah. Oh, those moments in a therapist's office are, Ooh, he need like a sport. It makes you feel less crazy though. It does. But it may, does it make you, sometimes it makes me feel a little more crazy. Cause you're like, I swore that was normal. No, it makes you feel less. Well, it makes me feel less crazy because I feel like, um, sorry, my headphones went out. Oh, let me see. Oh, well, that's great. Let me see.

No. Now I can hear again. Sorry. Unless it was shocking Christina. The winter on top of the shag rug is prime.

Well, goodbye forever, Christina. So anyway, fucked up childhood trans thing. Let's go back. No, I think that it makes you feel like validated. Yeah. Where you're like, I feel like there was something wrong there, right? Yeah. But my parents said everything was fine, right? And you're like, no. Okay, that was like a normal reaction that I had at least. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so how did you get to this point in your life where you are now where you're super happy and you're de-centering men? Okay, super happy, relax. But –

When it was coming out of her mouth, I go, did Tracy say that too? I don't think that's accurate. That's very nice though, that you would think that of me. I guess that's what I want for you. I don't know that I've ever met a comedian who's super happy. I think that I'm happier than some. Yeah, that's good. That's pretty good. Right. Um, I was in a very bad abusive relationship for five years and it was so bad and I was just like feeling so bad about myself. And then when I removed myself from it, you know, it took a while, but I did it.

And now I'm like, hmm. You look back and you're like, yeah, that was very bad. Right. I should not have been doing that. Yeah. And so millions of people, mostly women, but men too, get themselves in these situations. Sure. And sometimes they marry that person and they have kids with that person and then they die. What a nightmare. Yeah. What a nightmare. But no, I think that reflecting on it positively –

Was really helpful to me. Yeah. How do you reflectively, I mean, positively reflect on a, on a abusive relationship? You say where, what was my place in this? Right. Why was I like accountability? Okay. Accountability. Listen, it wasn't my fault per se. Yeah.

But why was I doing that? Why was I accepting that? What can I be responsible for? What was my self-esteem like that I was like, hmm? Like what part of me needs to be healed so that I don't get in that situation again? Exactly. Because I was in bad situations before, but it wasn't physical. Okay. And then when it became physical, you're like, wait a minute, this is bad. And then you really look back and you're like, well, everything else was pretty bad too. Yeah, that's a fun moment. Right. Right.

And you're like, okay, I just kept doing it over and over with different guys, but it just kept getting worse. Right. Until you realize you had to make a difference. Right. And it's like, oh, no, no. I learned my lesson. Thank you. Right. And like physical abuse, I think the thing about it is like it's much harder to make an excuse for physical abuse than it is for mental abuse. Yes. Absolutely. There's proof.

Yes. Undeniable proof in the scars and stuff. And we all like I've always. But sometimes you don't even realize it when it's happening, even though there's scars. And well, that's what I was going to ask you. You know, I've the decade doing the show, reading a lot about physically abusive relationships. And so it makes me personally like put myself in those in that person's shoes of like, how would I react? You don't know until it happens. OK, so before I was in a situation like that and I saw other people in situations like that, I was very judgmental of it.

Oh, really? Yeah. I was like, just leave. What is your problem? Just leave. One time, one time that would happen to me and that would be it. Yeah. That's what I say in my head. I'm like, bitch, you don't know that that's how you would react. No, because you don't even really know what's happening. Well, I mean, you don't, I didn't. Right.

It was a very confusing time. Did you disassociate when the physical abuse kicked in? I love disassociating. Yeah. That is my favorite thing to do. Yeah. And that's part of the personal responsibility of like it's tough not to, but like not disassociating is what gets you out of it, I imagine. Yes. But also the funny part of that is when I look back on it, I'm like the physical abuse was

But like not the worst part. Yeah. What was the worst part? The emotional abuse. Just the like dragging me constantly every single day. Like just wearing me down. It's like you could take a punch. Oh, yeah. You could take a punch. Yeah. And you could move on. Right. But like the actual like questioning your reality. Yeah.

is the psyche so delicate yes and the person that is your partner your chosen partner you're not even born into this family of this person that's physically abusing you and mentally abusing you it's like wait i chose this so it can't be that bad and i imagine just was some part of you not wanting to believe it was true or you were just disassociating so far from it that i didn't want to believe it was true yeah i was told it wasn't true he told me it wasn't true he

me it wasn't true. So like you, you accused, you said you're abusing, you're being abusive. And he said, I mean, I would say you just, you know, whatever he did. And he would say, no, I didn't. Wow. And I go, Hmm. Interesting take. Yeah. I see what you're saying. And I'm going to think it's like, I will consider that. Right. Yeah. And, and this person is still walking around on the planet. And I, I was telling you that night, um, I think it was Coscarelli's birthday party that we were talking about.

Uh, for some, I have a close friend that's experiencing this, this shit bag and the rage I feel, and I'm not involved in the situation is immense. And so what do you do with your rage after? I imagine that maybe the rage is greater after you get out of it because the dust settles and you have time to go and evaluate it properly. Where do you put the rage? Well, I mean, I was very angry at myself to be honest with you. Right. I'm sure that's, I'm sure a lot of people feel that way. And that's the worst kind of anger. Why did I do that? Why did I do that? Yeah. Yeah.

I wouldn't let my friend be in that situation. Right. But I let me be in that situation. So, well, to quote one of my favorite Alanis Morissette lyrics, I'm sorry to myself for treating me worse than I would anybody else. Oh.

I mean, applicable to so many situations. I think especially for women existing on the planet. Yes. Wow. That's really deep. I like that. Yeah, it's good. Do you ever run into this person or do you ever have fantasies of, I don't know, knocking them off? No, I want him to live forever. Oh, why? Honestly,

worse punishment I love this take I want him to live it himself every single thing that I do on this earth is so that he could see how successful I am it was probably the best thing that ever happened for my career really oh how so absolutely because I was I don't know I think that there's like some unmotivation in all of us right where you're like I don't need to do that that is not

Yeah. It's very powerful. What is it? I could do all things through spite. Is that a quote? I believe it. I don't know. I think I, I thought it was all things through like Jesus. No spite. I'm Tracy's version of spite. I would say, I would say, I believe you tailored some kind of a religious quote there. It's the religion of Tracy. All things through spite. Spite has, um, yeah, I, I want to, I want to, um,

I know that it would really hurt his feelings if he succeeded. Yes. And honestly, like when I'm an abusive man like that, like hurting their feelings is kind of a challenge. So you know, I have figured it out. So, uh, Adrian Appaloochee, who's one of my very, very best friends, friend of the show. Love her. She's amazing. So she, Oh God, I hope so. 50. If you're listening, uh,

which I think he does. He's a luminary subscriber. We heard. Hell yeah. I think they gave him a free one. It doesn't matter. It still counts. No. So she, you know, there were all these things where I was like, I need to do this to better myself and I need to do this because, you know, he said this about me and she's like, Tracy, the only thing you need to do is be successful. He'll hate that. Yeah. Yeah.

All these little stupid things that you're saying are just – Yeah. No. Have you ever had the desire or do you still have the desire to make him face what he did to you in another way? No. Nice. He's not going to. That's very healthy.

You have a really healthy mindset about this. Oh, I don't know about that. I think that it's just, but I mean, you're, you're not trying to do something that's like pointless and impossible and that's great. Right. Like, I mean, so you and I were talking yesterday about, um, stop trying to make things work. Yeah. Right. It's like you have to stop. And that's, you know what? I love that. That's like a slogan for life. Yes. It's something that like really kind of, uh, brought me a little bit more peace in my

line yeah i see all of my friends and they're like i'm gonna show this guy i need to tell i need to write him an email oh no stop writing the email stop writing the email stop writing the email yeah i know i see i see you know you you see you know men receiving texts a mile long and like and they go women are like they're really gonna take this and it's like well if they didn't take in anything you said or felt for the duration of the relationship why are they gonna take in a text message they don't care about the text they're probably waiting on some other girl that they're gonna fuck them

To text them. And it's all a control game for them, right? I assume. Who cares? Right.

Who cares? Yeah. That's the thing. It's like stop caring so much about like their reactions to thing. And it's like – Yeah, it's very true. I wasted so much time and energy in therapy talking about the guy you're with and like why is he doing this to me? Why is he doing this to me? And it's like – Why are you taking it? It doesn't really matter why he's doing it to you. It could be because his brain is broken. It could be because he's mean. It could be because he was abused.

who cares? Yeah. It's not even like why it's exactly. I really liked that. It's, it's not, why is he doing this? It's like, why are you thinking about why he's doing this? Why are you not moving on? That's great. Well, it's like, yeah, I, I saw this thing yesterday on one, like the witch, uh, the witch accounts I follow. And it literally said just like date the person that you don't have to pull a tarot card about every day. And I was like, thank you for

putting it in language that I understand. That's so real though. That's really real. Yeah. Yeah. The amount of times I've seen a psychic on the streets of New York, I'm like, what are his motives? Who cares? What are your motives? What are you doing? Yeah. So you're like the psychic, you know, the psychic and the tarot does help, but it's not the answers that lie within those things. It's the fact that you need to do it. Well, it's like looking through the phone, right? Yes.

You're outsourcing the problem. Why are you looking through the phone? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know you want to break up with him. You know he's doing something wrong. It's like women feel like they need to find evidence to give them permission to do something when the permission has been inside of us all along. Also, who cares? Leave. Maybe it's the wrong thing to do. Good. Figure it out. Why do we care? Why do we care?

That's a good question. I want to dissect that. Like, why, why do we care? Because this is ingrained in us. It's the misogyny that's ingrained in us. Is that like, obviously I've done something wrong. And it's, this is goes back to centering men, centering his motive, centering the way his mind works. And it's like, fuck that. How does my mind work? We're also trained to like, to fix things to, you know, to problem solve. I, and we're good at it, but our powers aren't,

Well, it's the old marriage stuff, right? So it's like you get married, right? Even when I used – I worked in corporate and my mother used to say like I had my job my whole life. You need to keep your job forever. That's terrible advice. Yeah. Right. But that's the advice that older people think, right? Absolutely. So when you're married, you get married once. You know that, right? You get married and when you get married and you say your vows before Jesus in spite – Oh, jeez.

It's forever. Whenever you hear of a really interesting person historically, like in Hollywood or politics, they've always been married about five times. Sure. Yeah, because it's not real. And a lot of times... Marriage isn't real. Marriage isn't real. Oh, we made it up. Yeah. We 100%... It's a weird legal thing, okay? Oh, it's a business deal. It's a business contract. Yeah. It's a business contract. Well, because women up until the, what, 70s couldn't sign a mortgage for themselves without a husband or couldn't get a credit card. Mm-hmm.

Which, you know, I'm not proof of us doing great with that. But hey, we out here trying. We out here trying. I'll cry. I still honestly feel like immense panic when I think about getting married. Even when I really like someone. It's just there's something... Well, what's the point? Do you want kids? Feels...

I don't think so. I got it. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't think so. If you want kids and you're going to have kids, I think that marriage is important sometimes. Yeah. Unless you have other documents in place to protect your children and your custody and financially. Yeah. Uh, other than that,

What are we doing? A party. You could throw a party. Because for me, it's there still is like and I know this is like untrue and how it lies legally, but it's like, oh, it seems romantic to make this like. Yes. Till death commitment. Till death. But you see what I'm saying? Till death commitment. So toxic and juicy. We used to live like 30 years. Yeah. Till death commitment. Yeah. Yeah.

This is ridiculous. There's something a little Wiccan about it. Yeah. Yeah. Then have a Wiccan ceremony. Oh, I bet. So I would. A hundred. Sure. I wouldn't. I wouldn't be. Yeah. No, I wouldn't have a ceremony in like a Catholic church or something. No, no. But I'm saying then have a Wiccan ceremony. You don't have to get the government involved. Yeah. You could do whatever you want. You just you just save a lot on taxes. You could. But see, that's the thing. It's a business contract. For sure. So if there's a reason why you want to get married. Yeah. Like. Yeah. Financially. Do it. Yeah. Yeah.

If not, why? Do you want to, you don't want to get married. Here's the thing. If I was with someone and he needed to get married because of a thing, because I don't know. This sounds worse. No, meaning like a guy, a felony. Yeah.

If there was a reason why I needed to get married, whether it be financial, if it's super important to him, that's his dream. I don't know. I could bend on it, but like, what am I doing? Why do I need to get married? I don't want to have kids. Right. So why do I need to get married?

Yeah, you really don't. Can't we just like high five somewhere? Yeah. In the park. And be like, all right, I'll try not to cheat on you. Yeah. And a lot of people have been having... Doing the opposite. Having kids and not getting married. Like... It's so funny. I had...

been like friends on, on Instagram with Whitney Cummings for a couple of years. And I only met her like in the past year. And in the midst of our first conversation, she literally said to me, she was like, if you want to have kids, have kids, but you don't need to get married. You don't. And I was like, I don't even know what this came about Whitney. But thanks Whitney. You need to protect yourself legally. That's the only thing. Oh, well, a hundred percent. Listen, in 2024, you know,

if you be having a prenup, whether or not to have a prenup shouldn't even be a discussion. You have a prenup, whether you have money or not. Like to me, it's just decisions that need to be made. To me, not having a prenup because you don't have a lot of money now. Oh, so how like short are you selling yourself? What? You have no aspirations. You could win the lottery. You could,

You have no faith in yourself that you're going to achieve anything or invent something or have this – something amazing is going to happen. But why do we need it if we're not going to break up because we're married forever and ever and ever? That's absolutely crazy. Exactly. And that only benefits men. Exactly. So that's why I think that we fix things because we're told that we have to. Your marriage is forever and you go to marriage counseling. I think that marriage counseling should be illegal. If you're at the point where you need to go to marriage counseling –

Yeah. I mean, sometimes people don't know how to talk and they need a middleman. Sure. That's not usually why we're going. It's usually like a last ditch resort. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like it was a communication that great to begin with. Why are we doing this? Right. Why are we doing this? Let's scrap it. Well, there was a statistic. Who was it for like a marriage counselor did say, you know, nine times out of 10 couples are going basically because they need a mediator for a breakup and like it will ultimately go there. I mean, I know

I know multiple couples though, who are in couples therapy, who maybe they should break up. It's, it's been healing for them or like helpful. They should go to therapy by themselves. I also know people. Yes. I also know people though, who like haven't been dating that long. I'm talking like under a year who are in couples therapy. And I go, very bad thing. I go that. What? Yeah. You should have a requirement. You should have to have like children or you should have to be together for a really long time. Right. There's no reason to work anything out.

Well, I mean, for six, like, yeah, like six, seven months, I go, what the fuck?

What the fuck are you doing? It should be that hard. It's like, what happened? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know there's like another guy that's like mediocre that you could just date. That's true. There's a surplus of mediocre men. Speaking of surplus of mediocre men, you told me a story over text that I did not share it with Corinne yet because I was like, this might be the craziest fucking shit I've ever heard. I have a lot of stories like this. Sometimes people think that I'm not telling the truth. Yeah, but that's how good your stories are. But that's not true. Yeah. There is a...

There is an article that corresponds with it. This story is Google-able. That's all I'm saying. I love that. Love some evidence. Years ago, I dated a man who, I don't know, I thought he was beautiful. He looked just like Joe Pesci. What? You have weird taste, girl. Oh, it's not good. Joe Pesci. He's kind of sexy. Honestly. Not really that young. Especially for like an East Coast vibe, girly. Oh, no. My taste is not great.

I could see fucking Joe Pesci. Yeah, 100%. You loved weathered New York men. Yeah, I do. I'd actually rather fuck Joe Pesci than Robert De Niro, and I think that's a hot take. That is a hot take. Yeah, I think so. He's a little spunkier. Robert De Niro, when he's on SNL, he doesn't read the cue cards right. I'm like, you can't. Well, I mean, he's 92. Yeah, yeah.

with a 20 year old girlfriend with a newborn baby. Yeah. Let's spread false rumors about how old famous men are on this show. You know what? Yolo. So I'm dating this guy and he gets his, this other woman pregnant while you're dating. Yeah. It's like a little, there's a little bit of a crossover there. I'll say.

Literally. I thought it was very cool to date this guy. Number one, he's so cute. Number two, his family is like very off the boat Italian. His backyard is set up as a scene from his town in Sicily. Oh, yeah.

Like a nice Italian restaurant. Yes. And I'm like, this is fun. You'll eat everything that Nono puts on your plate. Yeah. I mean, his father's in the backyard by their homemade bar. And, you know, he's like offering me some cordials and, you know, some Sicilian delicacies. And I'm like, this is great. This is everything I've always wanted in a man, right? Yeah. So we're having a nice time, whatever. He ends up getting this other girl pregnant. And I...

I stepped back. How did you find out? Did he tell you? I got to tell you, I don't remember. This was a very long time ago. We weren't that serious, so it was kind of like, eh, better her than me. Yeah. In the meantime, his friends, who are brothers, their mother passes. And while they are at their mother's funeral, the man that I dated decided to go to the home of the deceased woman

and steal her engagement ring so he could propose to his pregnant girlfriend. What are men on? What? No good? What are men on? That's crazy. Well, he figured everyone would be out of the house at the funeral and he knew that there was an engagement ring involved. Was there a nanny cam? How did this... Nanny cam? This is years ago. Okay. How did he get found out? Because obviously there's an article. Well, he proposes... He gets found out. He gets to see the ring. Because he proposes to his pregnant girlfriend. And they're like...

Wait a minute. Mom's ring is missing. Oh my God. That's mom's ring. Did he get offed?

You have to at least have the ring adjusted or something changed. A different setting. Do you think the man that has stolen the ring while the... Off a corpse. Off his friend's mom's corpse. You think he's having the ring reset? Probably not. His family is there in his house, in his Sicilian home. In that backyard with the fucking corpse. The two nice young boys who have just lost their mother. Oh,

Drive to the house and they have his family come outside. I think it's his grandfather, his mother, his father, and maybe his grandmother. Yeah.

And they have a car. They have a big truck. And they mow down his family. What? In the backyard? In the front yard. So they're like beeping the horn. Everyone comes out. They like punch someone in the face. They hit someone with the car. They run someone over and then back up and run over them again. You take my mother's ring, you're fucking dead. Did anybody die? No one died. So annoying. Well, their mother died. Right. Right.

Wow. Yeah. And did the guy, when you learned that story, were you shocked or were you like, that seems on brand? I was like, yep. Wow. Now the best part of this story is, so this all happened and the guys that came with the car, they got in a bit of trouble. They were, they had been, I know you're going to be shocked. They had been in a little bit of trouble before previously. Oh my God.

I know you're going to be shocked. They had a little bit of a, you know, a sordid past, if you will. Okay. Uh-huh. So they get in a little bit of trouble and then, you know, he has these kids with this woman. He marries her and –

marriage is not forever. Turns out they split up. Yeah. Oh, they did. Yeah. It was such a smooth beginning. It was, it seemed like it was going to work. Yeah. It just, it seemed like forever. The kids are a few years old. They're split. And he calls me and he's like, Oh, we should get back together. No. And I'm like, you know, you say yes. And we're still together. And that's how I met my boyfriend. Come on in Dan. We're in couples counseling. Yeah.

We're going to work it out. What were the words you said? Do you remember? I was like, oh, no, thank you. You said, no, thank you. That's so funny. Yeah. And then he called me like terrible, terrible names, started like harassing me online. And I was like, this checks out. Oh, my God. Yeah. This guy's a monster. He's still roaming the streets? He is roaming the streets. He was also sending me – he was a recording artist, self-proclaimed. Oh, God.

I love a self-proclaimed recording artist. And he was trying to woo me with his songs. He was recording songs. Oh, they weren't in English. I have no clue. They were in Italian? Wow. Very romantic. Wow. Yeah.

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Grow your career and your pay. Learn more at aboutamazon.com. What other stories you got from these crazies? This is great that you're decentering. I mean, there's a lot. But you see what I'm saying? It's like, how can you take this seriously? And granted, I have had a little bit more...

odd experiences than others probably. Queens, New York really brings out the best in everyone. Yeah. And also, do you date a lot of Italian guys? Italian guys are really intense. I did for a long time. They're very intense. Yeah. I don't know if- And they all cheat. I mean, that's not fair to say. That is pretty fair. But I'm only getting it from the Sopranos. It's pretty fair. Statistically, the odds are high. Because you got information from the Sopranos.

Well, the goulas. They're everywhere. Way to put us in a box, huh? It's so funny. Very upsetting. Is that box accurate? The box is very accurate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I only hope the Italian ladies are getting some D on the side. Well, you get cash. That's the thing. I mean, cool. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Okay.

Cash is nice. Cash is nice. The problem is the children. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you make me take care of these kids. I think as you get older, you realize like what a good idea gold diggers had. You know, I think I think when you're in your 20s are like, oh, I just like want, you know, love and like seen in her. These gold diggers are so sad. And like you call other people gold diggers. And then as you get older, you're like, no, they actually had literally the right idea.

Yeah. I think that if the housing market wasn't so high, right? Right. We wouldn't really have to get married. Right. This is like, it's just pushed on us. Yeah. And yeah, adding two household incomes is right. To buy a house. Right. Right now, the people that want to get married. Maybe that's why the housing prices are so high because they're trying to repress women still. Oh,

I figured it out. Absolutely. This is what's happening. You have to be married and have two incomes to get a house. Well, you think about like why your friends want to get married, your regular people friends, non-comedian friends. It's part of what you do. Yeah. You get married. You have kids. You have two incomes. Then you get to stay home. I mean it's not great. No. It's boring. If I had children, I would bring them to the firehouse and leave them forever. Yeah.

No questions asked. They don't ask you any questions. Have you ever dated a rich guy? I've dated a few rich guys, yeah. How was it?

It's not better. Right. I mean, there's more money involved. It depends. Okay. There's a very big difference between dating a rich guy and dating a generous rich guy. Oh, let's talk about it. I dated a non-generous rich guy for a very long time. Jewish guy? No, Italian. Okay. Listen, they come in all flavors. They do. They do. You can't box them in. In what ways was he not generous? Like, did he split the bills? He was just cheap. He lived, you know, well-bought...

below his means in like a weird way. That's how you stay rich. Yeah. Yeah, but what, like when do you benefit from your hard work? No, I agree with you. It's a strange way. Yeah. Don't get buried with your points. Listen, I love being like, you know, frugal and like saving because I love saving money. You know, I want to buy a giant house. Like that's,

But there is – we shouldn't suffer in life. For sure. For sure. Yeah. What did he cheap out on? Do you remember? I mean his apartment was so small that we didn't have a full couch. We had a part of a sectional. It was just one part and it was the chaise lounge part where half of it didn't have a back and that was the part I had to sit on. I'm like, oh, I kind of – I can't really sit up straight. So comfy.

I would just sit on the floor at that point. Yeah. There wasn't – I mean there was no more space. That was it. That was the whole living room. Things like that. So the generous rich guy, what was that like?

January's rich is nice, but there's also like, there's a reason why sometimes there's always like a catch. Is there? Yeah. There might not ever not be a catch. Yeah. I think heterosexuality is a catch for women. There's that too. I dated another guy that was very frugal, if you will. And he drove, um, he drove a pickup truck from like the eighties. Oh, was it restored or was it changed?

He had the same sneakers from I think the time – like probably years before we dated. He's probably wearing them today. I was a teenager. Wow. Men be saving their clothes for the whole lifetime. Yes. Weird. I mean I guess it's environmentally conscious but also –

If they're torn, you can get new pants. Okay. One of the guys that I dated that was very, very cheap, he was in his sister's wedding and he had ripped his tuxedo pants. Okay. And he was like, don't worry about it. I have dockers. And his mother was like, yeah, but there's that stripe down the side. And he's like, I have duct tape. And he...

He put a piece of duct tape up a pair of dockers because he wouldn't just go get a new pair of slacks. Oh, my God. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay. So when you're decentering men, are you dating or not?

Not really. Yeah. So what are your priorities in your life right now? Career. Yeah. End of list. Myself. Yeah. Not being crazy. Yeah, that's a good one. Not... Not being crazy is great. Not getting stressed out by things that have nothing to do with me. Oh, that's a good one. Like men. Yeah. It's like, hey man, your problems have...

nothing to do with me. Isn't that freeing? Go be crazy over there. Leave me alone. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I don't want to blame like a lot of these men that are just absolutely awful. Like women keep dating them and it's not women's fault, but boy, it's confusing. We stopped dating them.

They'd have nowhere to go. We keep consuming the product. That's why the product isn't improving. You know, if you just think about it in like true, the capitalist terms, why would they, why would they take the time, the money, the energy to improve a product? If the consumption rate does not go down, it has gone down a little bit. Um, but you know, and like the rate of, you know, marriage and, and, and, and childbirth has gone down, but not enough, uh,

where it affects men. I mean, like, you know, the ones who are lonely and stuff, I think we're kind of going to be, you know, in soul culture anyway. Yeah. I think that also the things that make you feel good sometimes are male attention. Yeah. And I've just changed the things that make me feel good. Yeah. You rewire your brain. Yes. And you're like, oh, I have to look at my own accomplishments. And you know what makes me really happy is working towards my goals. Yeah. It's very fun. And when you think

Male attention is interesting because when you think about it, it's like if I could choose between getting male attention and then that included bad and good attention or just men never acknowledging me at all, I would easily choose men never acknowledging me at all. You think that though? It's hard to...

I would say that as well but it is very hard to I know what you mean you probably have a lot more free time though but like I have a lot more free time now I have mirrors so I don't really need male attention sure but it is validating

I don't feel that way anymore, to be honest. It depends on who it is, though. I will say that. I have gotten a lot of male attention lately from men that I 100% do not want attention from. Oh, that's the... That is... That'll make me a murderer. That feels terrible. Non-consensual attention is like from... It really bothered me. I told Christina, we rented this over-the-top coat

from Rent the Runway, right? We just coincidentally rented the same coat. And it looks like a coat Cameron would wear for a millennial reference, like pink fuzzy. And I was just getting so much, I loved the coat. I loved the coat. I loved how I felt in the coat. It was so beautiful, but I was getting so much attention wearing this coat. Yeah.

When I was not on stage... It's like you had an extra pair of tits. That I was like, I have to return this coat because it's become an inconvenience in my life. It's not what I want the focal point to be. Yeah. Yeah. But sometimes too... And that's what male attention, non-consensual male attention feels like. Wearing that coat all the time is being a woman. It makes me feel sick when a man hits on me that is...

that you don't want that I don't want it actually makes me feel physically ill yeah I don't know it feels like a violation it does and it's not right because I know that it's like it's not yeah they're not necessarily doing anything wrong being ugly and existing is a violation of women's rights I love an uggo

I don't mind. I don't mind an uggo. Yeah, because uggos have to step it up another way. No, it's not even that. I like what I like. Right. Exactly. I used to not mind, but then men tired me out too much that now you need to have abs if we're dating. Right. I adjusted that, though. I used to not care. I prefer no abs.

Yeah, abs are turned off. Yeah, a little chubby, hairy. I used to not care, but now I care. Do you ever get conflicted? I get like this when I go out and I want to dress super sexy because I'm just feeling it, right? Sure. And I sometimes interrogate because for the longest time I didn't want to show cleavage. I'm like, I just don't want that smoke because I don't like getting attention from the people I don't want attention from. It's more gross than...

going out and feeling great feels. 100% it is. It's very scary. Yeah. And so, but then sometimes I'll go out and I'm like, ooh, I feel good. And then I'm like, I'm doing this for me. I want to look hot tonight. I feel sexy and whatever. And then you get the tension you don't want. And you're like, I shouldn't have done this. Right. Yeah. Well, it feels like they took your power away from you. And you can take it right back, but it's a lot of mental fortitude. It is. And I've had a problem. The last four,

few years, right? The last three years or whatever, I have a very big problem feeling safe around men. Yeah. Yeah, sure. I am struggling with that so much. You shouldn't. I think you just had a smart realization. Yeah. You know? They really are very dangerous and the chunk of men that are violent are... They make it so that you can put all men in a box because it's like, take care of your own, men. Right. Like, you know, step up. But even if they're not physically... The non-violent ones. No, no. It's not even about physically. I think...

you know, for the most part, I think all men are violent, like are dangerous in that, like they chip away at your self esteem or like they talk, they don't give you time to speak. A lot, a lot of that statement in and of itself is fucking violent. It's terrible. Yeah. And if a man ever says that not all men thing and they get offended or pissed off and I'm like, well then now I put you in the bad category because it's,

when people talk about like women and stuff, I can understand, like I can use my own discernment to say, yeah, there are a chunk of women that do that. And you're just voicing your frustration about that chunk of women. I've never seen a woman say not all women. No. Even when they say things that are not like, you know, like women always be shopping. Like even when someone says that, I go, I mean, that's not true of me in my, in my head, but I, I've never, it's never once crossed my mind to say out loud. I don't,

I don't shop. Wait a second. Wait a second. Well, I'll tell you about women shopping. That's fine. Good for them. Yeah. The internalized misogyny. Right. And this thing where, you know, men are just kind of greater than us. And that's the belief that I've always had in my head that I thought it was just ingrained in me. Uh, you guys did a Ted talk a while ago. Do you remember this? Yes. How much? I like, I like that. He just asked us if we remembered our Ted talk.

Because I got to tell you, I remember your TED Talk. This is like the Chris Farley show. I was... Are you guys strung out? Are you guys strung out? I was way too old. It was way too late in my life to watch that and go...

This is new information. Yeah. And it was brand new information to me. You said it was something along the lines – I don't want to misquote you, but it was something along the lines of like a man is never, ever deserving of your body, your time, your attention, whatever it is, no matter what. Not if he bought you dinner. Yeah. Not if you were hooking up or whatever it is. It's like there's actually no reason why a man is ever deserving – Entitled. Entitled to your body. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like –

Yeah, but what if he paid – oh, you just said that. Okay. Okay.

Right, it feels like there almost should be some kind of occurrence. Yeah, I'm like... The amount of guilt I have felt in my life up until my mid, late 20s, well, because I was in a relationship for a lot of my 20s, but up until that relationship, I would feel like I owed the guy something. I'm telling you, when you guys said that, I'm like, this is misinformation. This does not compute. No one fact-checked this. They're just letting any old whores up on my TED stage. It was upsetting to me, though, to hear you guys say that, because it was like...

I didn't know I was entitled to that information. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. Yeah, and man, just like – do you have good guy friends in your life? I have really good guy friends. I have the best friends in the world. I will say that. That makes or breaks a life. When you said like, oh, you're so happy, it's like that is the only reason I'm really happy. It's like I have the best friends in the whole world. Yeah, that's amazing. And it's nice to have, at least for me –

It's nice to have straight male friends that I really respect. Oh, I have a list of them on my phone. Yeah. Of safe men? Yeah. Men we can trust? Literally. I'm not kidding you. Because sometimes I get really – I get down. I get like confused. Well, what do you do like when a guy – like we have a – there's a guy that is our friend, was our friend, is our friend that really had revealed himself to be –

super misogynistic. And like, I'll think of the things he says and I'm like, you don't fucking get it, dude. Like, and what you're saying is gross and I don't want to hang out with you anymore. But it's like, what do you do when you have you encountered that? And so, yeah, it's comedy. Um, and that, um, do you say something to the person? Do you just stop talking to them? I think that, um, you shouldn't fix everything. Right. Right. But if someone's like a really good friend of yours, um,

I remember when I thought these things without any kind of information. You guys were a part of giving me information, right? And I thank you both for that. So why can't I give someone else some information? Sure. Right. They might reject it. Yeah. That's exactly what happened. I believe I know Christina is talking about and I did try to give him information. And then he basically gaslit me because I mean, some of it involved like a treatment of me specifically. Sure.

And I was like, I don't want to be treated in this way. Right. You know, even though you think this is the best treatment for me, I'm not your pet. Right. And one of the downsides of like the male dominated career thing, especially with standup is like when you call a guy friend out on this shit, they just accuse you of like not having a sense of humor. And it's like, you're a comedian. Oh my, my guy. No, no, no.

Well, that's why I got so fucking enraged recently because like I have been a staunch defender of free speech on record for years and years. And now it's being weapon jokes in quotes are being weaponized against women. And I'm fucking sick of it for real. Yeah, but I was kidding. Exactly. Yeah. But I was aren't you a comedian? I mean, how many times do I get that on a dating app that I don't tell anyone that I'm a comic?

Right. Good. Yeah. You can't. Otherwise you won't get dates. Yeah. Oh no. You'll get tons of dates. We won't. We didn't get any. We didn't get any. Until I switched to writer. You got to say writer. Yeah. Quiet. Oh. She don't talk. You know what I write? She's silent. Internal corporate materials.

Whoa. Because you know what I also realized when you say writer, they go, what are you right? Send me a link of something you've written. I say feminist memoirs. I say your obituary. Ooh. Wow. Play your cards wrong. The backs of condom boxes. Internal corporate materials. Mm-hmm.

I love that. Yeah. That, I think the key to life is saying that whatever you do is so boring that there's no followup questions. Yeah. I learned that riding in Ubers. I'm so proud of what I do for a living that I want to tell people because I'm excited and I literally have never not regretted it. Yeah.

At parties, maybe it's cool. I was at a funeral recently. Yeah. And I had a show after the funeral. Yeah. You know, because what are you going to do? You got to get those spots in. Yeah. And I went with my mom and she's like telling me when she's like, yeah, she's got to go to a comedy show now. I'm like, hey, just like cool it a little bit, you know, just like cool it a little bit. And everyone's like, oh,

tell me about your show tonight. I'm like, all right, but I just need to finish crying over my dead friend. Yeah. Yeah. That first, that first. Can we not? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Someone asked me for tickets. It was not great. When will you be performing next? Every night of my fucking life. You guys aren't coming. Yeah. And I don't want you to, you know what I say now? This is my obnoxious answer. Every single person who's like, can I,

Can I come out and see you? I want to come out. I'm dying to come out and see you. We've all wanted to come out and see you. Tracy carnazzo.com. Yeah. Yeah. You should take, you should take out like your phone and be able to, and charge them, like put a insert the square. Oh yeah. I'll buy tickets right now. Yeah. Do you have a credit card? Put your money where your mouth is. Buy a ticket right now. Buy tickets to nothing. Yeah. Oh my God.

That's great. Yeah. And I just give them my website and they will ask me constantly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had a guy yesterday that's been following me on social media since the beginning of social media. I went to high school with him. And he messaged me about a show that I did recently. And he's like, wow, you did this show. That's so cool. Are you a comedian? What? And I look back at my post. He's liked every post of mine for, I don't know, 25 years. Yeah.

And I'm like, what did you think you've been liking all these years? He's your speech. Because I actually had no clue. No clue. That you were a comic. Wow. The one other job does a woman is a woman on stage by herself with a microphone in her hand. Stripper. Probably just microphone. Waitress. Drive through waitress. Drive through waitress. That's a TED talk. Yeah.

Yeah. Men be weird. There's this one guy that comments on every single story and he just goes, hot, hot, hot. And then we post things together. He goes, hot, Christina, hot. I'm like, just. Listen, we all have these guys. I had a guy, I was wearing pants in a picture, in a photograph. He goes. You whore. You look so hot in that mini skirt. And I'm like, that was, you imagine that. What are you?

That's creative. That was very creative, sir. Oh my God. Yeah. But it's always the guys you don't want hitting on you that are hitting on you. Yeah. Yeah. But when the guy that you want to hit on you hits on you, it's pretty fun. It's beautiful. It's pretty fun. It's beautiful, but it's never that guy. Sometimes every once in a while, it's that guy. Those are core memories when it's that guy. Yeah. You could count them on one hand. Yeah. Oh, it's great. Absolutely. That's a woman's dream. Um, what, what other stories do you have dating wise for us?

God. Well, I mean, I did have a guy that I was talking to. I saw him on dating app. So I'm like, I'm on the dating apps. It's like a video game. Which ones are you on? Every single one of them. Raya? I'm not on Raya yet. Okay. I have like, I would love to hear your critique of Raya. I'm up to 21 referrals. That's a lot.

People have been having trouble lately. I think they changed whatever's going on with Raya. Because they were being a little too loosey-goosey at some point. And I saw some people on there who shouldn't have been on there. Unremarkable.

It's across the board. I will say, though, I did meet one good boyfriend on Raya. It's very tough in general. I'm on the league. I'm on – Oh, yeah. What's the league? It's not great. You get three people a day. They're usually professionals. But, like, who is vetting this? Are enough people signed up for that? That was my thing with the league. It felt like there wasn't enough people in the dating pool. Well, you only get three a day. That's because that's all they have. Probably. Yeah.

That's part of the rules? Also, so the thing about the league is they try to like swindle you into buying your way in. But if you just wait like two or three days, they just let you in. Oh, wow. That's a hot tip. That's a hot tip. Don't ever pay for the league. Are they hot? No. No. Have you gone on dates with these leaguers? No. I've gone on a date with no one. Right. I go on zero dates. How long have you been on dating apps? I don't know, 15 years. And you've never gone on one date from a dating app?

I've never gone on one date from a dating app. I've been, I mean, I've gone on one date from a dating app. How was it? Um, well, cause I wonder the, I do wonder the stats on this because I've also think about like how, like I'm not super active, but how long I've maybe been on them. And like, then how many dates I've been on, like three, I've been on one date from a dating app. Um, he was obviously Italian, right? Um,

I pull up into the parking lot and he's like, your registration is going to expire. What? And I'm like, oh my God, my father has reincarnated. And he's in this parking lot. This is wild. He ordered for me. He was like, you're not going to eat? Then he told me about how his father is incarcerated, obviously. And then he made out with my body. With your body? He just made out with me. And I was like, oh no. Your neck? No, just like my face. But I let it happen. But it was like...

Sometimes a guy goes to make out with you and you're like, I don't want this. I'm not repulsed. I just want to see what you do. So here's the thing. He was good looking. It wasn't that. It's just like, I don't think I was ready for that. But here we are. Whatever. It was fine. And then he, it was right around Christmas time. And he was like, you know, I want you to spend Christmas with me and my family. Uh oh. After how many dates? One? Just the one. Just the one. Jesus Christ. And I was like, oh.

All right. I don't think I could do that at this point. Yeah. Thank you for your inquiry. The only thing scarier than a man who doesn't want to commit is a man who wants to commit too much. Right. But it's like. He's going to kill you. Both of them are going to kill you. But yeah, that was definitely. He was really cute, though, but he went way too hard. But because I think he was also I think that was his tactic on trying to get me to sleep with him. Oh.

oh right like I want you to be my mother cause he's like why don't you come over why don't you come to my house and I'm like I don't even know you I'm not coming to your house and then like a week later he's like well I was just trying to sleep with you and I'm like cool alright

Here's the thing. I'm not mad. Yeah. Right. I don't even know you. They be doing what they do. Right. They be doing what they do. And part of me think, like, I want to talk about this in the intro, but a guy DM'd me something that I found to be very inappropriate. And I was telling Colin about it yesterday. And he was, and I was like, I responded to the guy and I was like, I wish you knew better. And Colin goes, he knew better. He knew better. And I'm like, yeah. It's worth a shot. The thing is, it's always worth a shot with a man. It was really sweet, Christina. Yeah.

that you were like, he just doesn't know. If I just tell him now, he's going to know. I let him know I'm disappointed in him. He's good. Turn it right around. These are the text messages. These are the emails. These are like, hear me and, and just know that like that wasn't okay. And it's like, yeah, there's also a specific type of man that doesn't like his mother.

That like Duttler, like his mother was abusive to him. I mean, I'm thinking of one right now. Yeah, same. We all have them. Or the one that doesn't, like his mother was abusive to him, but he's obsessed with his mother. Right. That guy's going to kill you. There's a lot of guys that are going to kill you. I'm not going to lie to you. Because they're going to take it out. And that's a shirt for the holidays. I met a guy. Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. I met a guy at a show years ago and we got along really well and we hung out for a while. Uh,

not a while like in a just like that night we hung out was he an audience member or comedian he was an audience member and he was really really nice and he was like decent looking he wasn't like great but i was like this is fun like we're really connecting and he was like hey you could come over but i have seven roommates and our walls seven is he a dwarf you live in an old woman in the shoe what the fuck he's like our walls don't go to the ceiling and i was like do you live in a tanning salon what

What is happening? He's inviting you to a gangbang. Because it was like partitioned. No, it was like a loft, I guess, that they partitioned in Greenpoint. But it didn't go to the ceiling. Right. Because it was just like dividers almost. Like a tank salon. It's like a WeWork. Yeah. It was a WeWork. Jeez. It was a cubicle farm, basically. Yes.

And I was like, oh, okay, that's a red flag. But Tracy, you're so picky, you know, like just go with the flow. That's so funny. And then one day he was like, oh, send me a picture of yourself. And I sent him like a cute selfie, right? And then he was like, do you want me to send you a picture? I was like, sure. Innocent. He was so nice to me when we hung out, like nothing weird. He just kept sending me pictures of his butt. His butt? Yeah.

What? His naked butt. Did you see his balls? Was he spreading the cheeks? He wasn't spreading. Was it a profile view of the ass? Was it a straight on view? Yeah, there was a bunch of them. Was it a bubble butt? Like, did he have an ass that was worth? Oh, God. No, I think it's pretty wild to lead with that regardless of the shape of your ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, it could be anyone's ass. No, it was his.

Wow. Yeah. Did you see it later? That was it. That was it. Were you asking like, I'm good on the ass. I know what it looks like. Well, the funny part was, is that all his coworkers were at the show and it was like this monthly show and they would come a lot. Okay. Like the same people would come a lot. And the next time I did the show, I was like, yeah, I was like, your coworker was like hitting on me, sending me pictures of his ass. And like, wow. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that.

Don't tell him. Gotta go. I don't even remember his name. I had to delete that from my head. Ass guy. The thing is, it's funny that you felt like you shouldn't have said that. It's like, no, you didn't do anything wrong here. Because we never had a sexual conversation. We're always forced to fucking keep men's secrets. I'm so sick of it. I am so sick of it. I'm not keeping any more secrets. It's not our burden to bear. It's their burden. He sent me pictures of his ass.

Stop doing that, motherfucker. And now we're going to post him on Zanga. Yeah. If I could only remember his name, I would tag him one day. Oh my God. What's the worst thing a guy's ever sent you? As far as pictures? Or anything. Well, I'm glad you asked. I was talking to some guy on...

tinder maybe he was so cute that I was like this is not a real person so I was like I'm gonna video chat with him in the app oh you can do that yes you could in app video chat because I don't believe that this is a real person we video chat he's hotter oh and he loves me oh he's like you are beautiful I'm like I know

The next day, we're – so I give him my phone number. I never give out my phone number. Yeah. But I'm like, you know what? We kind of met, right? This guy passed the test. Yeah, yeah. He's so beautiful. He sends me the next day a picture of his sweatpants. Oh, God. Covered in cum. Covered? And I go, oh, what? What?

And he's like, yeah. He's like, see what you made me do? And I'm like, when has that worked? When has that worked? Oh my God. You made me do. When has that worked? Was the semen on the – It was just – Was he –

Yeah. See, the thing is down to jerk off. I guess if I had gone on like three dates with this guy, give me room to walk. This would have worked on me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I want, I like a little perversion, but like you've never even met. I've never met him. We never even smell someone. We didn't even say that when we meet, we were going to kiss. Like it was. Wow. Yeah. So,

So he sent me that and I was like, hey, I actually like cannot possibly talk to you anymore. Like, you know why. And he goes, would it be better if I said it was glue? And I was like, I don't know. Probably not. That would be like psychotic, weird art. I really don't know. Yeah. The shittiest Jackson Pollock. Look what you made me do. Spill glue all over my sweatpants like I'm a preschooler. What? I was at Michael's Crafting and I thought of you and I just spilled all the glue. Yeah, it was Mod Podge. Mod Podge.

I was not thrilled with that. That's the grossest thing that anyone ever sent me. Yeah, that's pretty gross. Also, I think about this too. I'm a pretty horny lady. Sure. But women can by far go so much longer without sex than men can. Forever. Oh my God. Yeah, I don't think that it would. I mean, having good sex, I would rather have no sex than bad sex. Yeah, but here's the thing. Feel the situation out. Not you, but these guys. It's like...

Pick up cues, context clues. Oh, right. What in our conversation of nothing has made you think that that was a good idea? Yeah. You were really jumping to, like you said, a few dates and you had like, you know, some kind of, right. Some kind of weird discussion or whatever. And it's like, oh, she's going to love this. Right. Like, yeah, you had, you had had a mildly kinky discussion. There was nothing about our conversation that was like, this is.

This is for her. Tracy's speed. Yeah. It's not my speed. Men need to have a discernment class. They need a discernment class. They don't care. I guess not. They're not going to listen. I'm like, don't you guys want to get laid? Yeah. Like this type of guy that I'm talking about that we're all talking about right now. I'm like, you want to get laid. I know it. Because that's how – When does this work? Yeah. A lot of the Me Too movement I feel like really was about men being unable to read the room. And like that's not even me defending them. I don't know about unable. Right.

refusing to read the room. Yeah. It could be that too. Because then when you say you can't read the room, they get pissed off instead of going, oh, okay, that's an interesting point you're making. Let's interrogate that. Right.

It's that simple. I've even been there. There's been points when I was, you know, on my in my dating people I don't like phase, which lasted several years. And one of the people still doing that. One of the people I didn't like that I was dating, like at the point where I wasn't even sexually attracted to him anymore. Like I couldn't have been more obvious about it. And I was like not being attracted. Yeah. And I was like, how can this guy like he was just like, I don't know. I don't have sex. And like I'm like, fuck, read the room. I don't. You're old and gross. Yeah.

Well, send him my way. You crusty ass bitch.

yeah but i think that there is a little bit of responsibility and i don't mean that like in a misogynistic way but there is a responsibility of us to stop just cut these people off yeah i've blocked with no explanation so many men in the past i know but i would felt so good before i was scared it's like no we have to give this a chance yeah we always have to give everything a chance and i'm tired of giving things a chance i don't feel comfortable with this i don't want to do this yeah well then even some of these

I'm like, oh, we have a history. We've been friends for a long time. Oh, sure. And then I go, but have we been friends? No. I go, but have we been friends? Yeah. I go, I don't know that we have been actually. No, absolutely not. Yeah. I was providing some sort of a service to you, even if it wasn't, you know, sexual. I was, you know, some kind of advice. Free, exactly. Free therapy or, you know, plus one to events when you couldn't get someone. Oh, there's so many free therapies.

There's so many. Yeah. The amount of men who have asked me to be their plus one to a wedding that I was not romantically involved in. You got to be out of your fucking mind. Why would you want to do that? You've got to be out of your fucking mind. And out of state ones too. Oh my God. Because they want to stay over. They surely never invite me to a wedding. Wow. Oh my God. You heard it here folks. I mean the amount of male comedian friends I've had. I mean unless they were dating or a friend. You know. That I'm like man. I look back and I'm like you just wanted to vent to somebody. Yeah. And I was like what's going on? Are you okay? Yeah.

And you loved having me around for that. Well, you get. And then the second I say, nah, I'm not good. Like fucking bitch. Well, I mean, and that all goes back to like why we're fucking angry about Donald Trump being elected. Because I've heard so many men, like even on the street, have conversations where like, I don't know.

just understand like my friend's so angry or my girlfriend's so angry it's like yeah because you know what the amount of free services that we've provided to you and you couldn't do one fucking thing for us you just cast a vote for someone who would be appropriate rapist no I mean how many phone calls that I get from men friends or whatever that you know tell me what's wrong

Yeah. Right. They tell me what's going on with them. What's wrong. And we, you know, we have to talk them through it off the ledge or whatever. And then it's like, how are you doing buddy? And I'm like, yeah, well actually, and they're like, I actually got to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, are you fucking kidding me? And it's like such a common dynamic. Yeah. Oh, I've had,

Explain friendship to men. We're not. See, here's the thing. Twenty twenty five. I agree with you. We're not explaining anything. I already stopped. Don't you worry, Tracy. But like I literally one time had to sit a guy friend of mine down and say, like French, like when you call me and you just vent like that's therapy. But a friendship would be like you can vent and then you say, and how are things going with you? Well, they do say that to me. And then when I started talking, they go.

You know what? Let me go, buddy. I got to close the door. I love when men call me buddy. Never again. I'm like, oh, all right. Well, I hope your wife kills you in your sleep. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And to all a good night. Just saying. Everything's fine. Yeah. Well, it's good. I mean, it's but oh, what I was saying about the sex thing.

How are you doing with that? Like, are you a person that can go years without sex? Yeah, yeah. I feel like the longer you go without sex, the easier it gets to go without sex. This is what I will say about sex. I think that not all women – We were going to get an email. Thank God Tracy said that. There was going to be a riot. I know. I know the men that listen are very adamant about male rights. But –

I think that for men, right, they get horny and they want to have sex. I think that for women, they want to have sex with someone specific. Yeah. Whereas like a man, if he had plans to have sex with you and then you cancel, he'll maybe go to someone else. Yeah, sure. To the left, to the left. Yeah, I was doing this anyway tonight. Yeah. Who's going to fit into this? Yeah. Could not agree more. If you're totally into someone and they cancel on you, like the night is over. Right. Yeah.

You're not like, well, let me call this other guy. If anything, you're just masturbating to the thought of what could have been. Which is also fun. Yeah. Right. But we have to have an object of our affection for some kind of direction. Yeah. We direct our sexual energy towards someone. Right. And men direct it out. They throw enough shit to the wall to see what sticks. Right. Well, that's why I liked drinking so much, though, because that quelled that. Quelled what? It made me be able to live like a man a little bit. Yes.

Because you have no judgments anymore. Exactly. Do you see? Exactly. So being drunk is similar to being a man. A drunk woman is a man. Yeah, is a man, is a sober man. Right. You take away your intuition. You take away any kind of decision making skills. Yes. Standards. Yeah. Standards. All of it. Yes. And like I'm saying,

it as a joke but honestly i really meant that because i'm like yeah then kind of kind of like a lot i would be a lot easier breezier on the standard that's why in my 20s i had like a little rotation and i'd be like who's gonna be tonight when you're drinking and i was excited about it oh i mean i didn't even drink and i was cool with that like it's i think it's also just being younger and not knowing yeah and not wanting anything serious anyway like i think a lot of women in their 20s are like i want to it's just more fun and then as you get older you're like

Yeah, it's not as fun anymore. I'm going to get murdered, number one. Yeah, right. And you're like, so many of these people are bad. Like, I don't want even – I don't want them in me. Yes. I know. It's a really intimate thing, sex. I mean, Jesus Christ. It is pretty intimate. A guy eating you out is so intimate. It's so intimate. I think that's more intimate than penetration.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's all like just even letting a man in my house is pretty intimate to me. I'm like, leave that package right there, sir. Have you had moments where you were you letting a lot of FedEx guys all the way in? I'm not into FedEx guys. No FedEx guys? That uniform? They got calves and I don't even care about calves. Yeah, but they have no money. Oh, I think UPS is a cuter outfit.

UPS is good too. Honestly, I'm not a fan of brown outfits for anyone, but UPS is so cute. The shorts do something. It really is cute. The shorts do nothing. I don't think men should wear shorts to begin with. It's the socks that go with the UPS outfits that you like maybe. Oh, with the blue stripes? Yeah, it's just like you pull up the...

The socks. Yeah. I'm more into like a city worker. Yeah. I mean, city workers got grit, a blue collar, a blue collar guy. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's a good, that'll, that guy will hang a shelf for you. That's what I enjoy more. A little bit more. Yeah. I like the hanging shelves. That's helpful. We have to wrap because we've been talking for an hour, but is there any other stories you want to leave us with? Any words of wisdom, anything? Stop making it work. Yeah. Stop making it work is a great one.

You really should get merch that says that. I should. I just – you know what? It just – it worries me because I see – I talk to a lot of very young girls that are like fans and listeners of my podcast as well. And I just see so many of them being like, I have to get married. I have to get a boyfriend. I have to get married. I have to get a boyfriend. More than ever. What? Yeah.

More than ever. And a lot of trad wives listen to your podcast. I mean, I don't know what it is. So there's something in the water that ain't good. There is something also not in New York City. You don't even like just in middle America or whatever. That is still it's still.

Well, I was just listening to the Ezra Klein podcast from New York Times on the way here, getting hardcore into politics. And I mean, it's not just America that's returning to conservative values. It feels like us, but it's actually happening all over the world, like Sweden, Brazil, France, like all these countries are kind of – and it's basically – I mean, if you want to really boil it down, it's an overcorrection of what happened –

a big part of which was cancel culture. So as comedians, we really were, you know, on the front lines of feeling that and you knew there was going to be an overcorrection and it was even more severe than we thought. And in this includes like how people live because, uh, people turn their backs on like religion, um, and they were financially comfortable. So they, they had the, um, luxury of being able to worry about things like being, it

Whether or not you're gender fluid to Jesus, you know, and when we, and we talk about like things like that, like who you are, like the ability to have time to think about who you are and how you want to appear in the world really is a luxury that can only, that you can only, um, investigate after you've taken care of having a house, having clothes, feeding your family, you know, that those things come first. But I think it's also social media that's,

These young girls are looking at social media and looking at these people that are married that have a good-looking husband and a nice house and all these kids, and it's something that they need to get right now. Yeah, just as much as men want a trophy hot chick on their arm, women want a trophy guy or trophy life rather. Trophy life. I don't know if it's as aesthetic. I don't think a woman has ever really experienced many trophy men in her life.

her life. No, I think that it's, I need to have kids. I need to have a house. I need to post this on Instagram so that all of my classmates see that I am quote unquote successful. But if you really think about it, if in my twenties, I would have focused on my career and who I want to be and, you know, healing my trauma and all of these things, instead of focusing it on men that were being emotionally abusive to me, I would be

I would have been a little bit ahead of the game. And now it's like, now I'm older and I'm just realizing this stuff now. Yeah. And that's the, that's what I see in like the young girls that come and talk to me. It's like, no, please just go to school or, or, you know, do whatever you want to do in your career. And you don't need a rich guy to buy you a house. It's like, you're going to buy you a house. You have to be the person that you're dependent on because there are too many women that are in bad situations because they don't

chose to be with a man who's going to quote unquote support them. And now things are going south and they're screwed. Well, especially in a capitalist society, money is freedom. And so if you're not, if you're not interested in making money, I honestly recommend not living in America.

And I don't say that in like a get out kind of a way. I go, it's literally just not a good economy to live in. It's a bad idea. It's in fact dangerous. I have, I have people in my life. I have friends that, that are going to stay with their husband because they don't have a lot of choices. Yeah. Um,

With kids, without kids, it doesn't matter. It's like they can't live on their own. Yeah. Jesus. So it's like I will – I never want to be in that situation. And you know what? I could have been in that situation. Totally. And I'm so grateful that I snapped out of it and I'm not in that situation. Is there any factors that contributed to you snapping out of it or was it just over time? Watching everyone around me. I think that when you're younger – I'm from Queens, right? And it's not small-town USA but it's like kind of not small-town USA.

say. And I think a lot of people get married young and they have kids. And now, you know, when you get a little bit older, 10 years into that, everyone's getting divorced and they're trying to, you know, scramble. And it's like, well, it's hard because I have the kids in school and I can only work part time and I don't really have a career.

because I didn't have a career because I thought that this was going to be my career. I thought I was going to work, you know, part time. And I thought I was going to sell candles for the rest of my life. That's the thing. Get, no matter what you want to do with men, get good at something that you can monetize. Like really learn a skill. Something, anything. You don't have to go to school. Exactly. You don't have to just something that you can monetize. Even if it's like, I'm going to get really fucking good at crocheting. Like,

whatever it is, you need to monetize it on a high level. The scary thing for me is watching these women become like these damsels in distress and the men that prey on that.

And it's like, you're not attracting someone that wants you to succeed. You're not attracting, you're attracting someone who wants to dominate you. Right. Cause there are plenty of men that love strong women that are very well. And that's what I listen. The only kind of man that I will ever attract is a man that will, uh, you know, that wants an independent woman. Cause I am independent. I don't need a man at all. I, and I think that at this point in my life, I've made my life where I don't need a man. Um,

Which is – and I know that sounds like very sad and like – No, it sounds amazing. It doesn't sound sad. It sounds free. It doesn't sound sad at all. Right. But now if I ever have a man in my life, it's a man that I want in my life. Someone that brings something. That's the key. Someone that adds something. A relationship should be a cherry on top to an already great life that you carved out. And it should be a partnership. Wise women wrote that one day in a book. I will do everything through Spidey.

That's also very wise. That's what it is. Where can we find you online? What's your podcast? Where can we get more? Thank you for asking. I do teen mom, trash talk podcast, 90 day fiance, trash talk podcast, reality garbage. If you guys are into it, if you're not, don't, don't listen to it. If you're not, we cover Vanderpump rules, Jersey shore, real housewives of New Jersey. Amazing.

We cover like all these things on our Patreon. Wait, is the unexpected one people who are pregnant who didn't know they were pregnant? No, I wish. That's a very good one too. No, unexpected is just like another version of 16 and pregnant on TLC. Okay. So we cover all of those things on our Patreon. You could find me at Trixie, T-R-I-X-I-E-T-U-Z-Z-I-N-I on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok. TracyCarnazzo.com for all of my upcoming show dates and everything podcast related. Okay.

Amazing. Thank you so much. Always a pleasure. You're the best. This has been guys. We fucked the anti-slut chiming podcast. We'll talk to you next Friday. Guys. We fucked is presented by luminary created and hosted by Corinne Fisher and Christina Hutchinson editing and music coordination by Eric Freddie theme song by Rob Patterson and Jake Cosen.

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