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Can Stocks Withstand the Rate Surge? 1/10/25

2025/1/10
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Bill Baruch
创始人和首席投资官,拥有丰富的金融行业经验,专注于商品和股票交易。
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Jim Lebenthal
知名投资分析师和评论员,常客于CNBC的金融节目。
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Joe Terranova
知名华尔街分析师和投资策略师,现任 Virtus Investment Partners 首席市场策略师。
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Josh Brown
金融分析师和评论家,专注于金融市场趋势和经济预测。
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Mike Santoli
以超过20年的华尔街报道经验,目前担任CNBC高级市场评论员的金融专家。
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Phil Lebeau
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Tanaya Macheel
Topics
Scott Wapner: 就业报告强劲,收益率上升,股价下跌。我们讨论了这对市场和投资者资金的影响。 Josh Brown: 经济过热导致市场抛售是买入机会。每一次市场因为经济太好而下跌,都是买入机会。我不担心经济过热。如果就业市场崩溃,那才应该抛售股票,而不是因为就业市场太好。当前市场反应是投资者预期修正的结果。通货膨胀可能只是暂时现象,市场预期被高估。市场可能处于中期修正阶段,不必恐慌性抛售。应该关注积极因素,例如就业增长和通胀低于预期。 Joe Terranova: 高利率并不必然导致小型股回报率下降。小型股受高利率影响的根本原因是经济衰退,而非利息支出增加。小型股在经济衰退时期表现更好,强劲的经济环境不利于小型股。当前市场主要受股票与债券负相关性驱动,CPI数据和未来几周的股票走势至关重要。市场正在发生内部轮动,资金流向防御性板块。 Jim Lebenthal: 小型股的传统作用可能已经过时,因为大量资金流向私营公司。小型股在投资组合中的作用是平衡其他投资的风险。由于许多小型股不在交易所交易,很难根据历史数据预测其走势。长期来看,经济与股市相关,但短期内可能存在差异。过去15年,经济衰退时间仅为两个月。他每天都在寻找新的投资策略。 Bill Baruch: 当前市场下跌是买入机会,因为市场已经经历了一定的清洗。市场对利率变化的预期并未发生巨大转变。

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Key Insights

Why did the stock market react negatively to the strong jobs report?

The strong jobs report led to a surge in yields, with the 10-year and 30-year yields reaching their highest levels since November 2023. Higher yields create competition for stocks, as investors may prefer safer Treasury bonds over riskier equities, leading to a sell-off in the stock market.

What is the historical pattern of stock market sell-offs due to strong economic data?

Historically, stock market sell-offs due to strong economic data have often been buying opportunities. Over the past three years, every time the market sold off because the economy was perceived as too strong, it eventually rebounded, making such sell-offs temporary rather than indicative of a long-term trend.

How does a 5% yield on the 10-year Treasury impact investor behavior?

A 5% yield on the 10-year Treasury provides real competition for investors, especially those with retirement goals requiring 7-8% annual returns. The higher yield makes Treasuries more attractive, reducing the incentive to take on additional risk in the stock market.

What is the current outlook for small-cap stocks in a rising interest rate environment?

Small-cap stocks have historically struggled in a rising interest rate environment, especially if it leads to a recession. However, some analysts argue that the current economic strength may break this pattern, and small caps could benefit from a rotation out of technology stocks, which dominate large-cap indices.

Why are technology stocks particularly vulnerable to rising interest rates?

Technology stocks, especially high-multiple names, are vulnerable to rising interest rates because higher rates increase the discount rate used in valuation models, reducing the present value of future earnings. This leads to a reassessment of valuations and potential sell-offs in the sector.

What is the potential impact of the Trump administration on the crypto market?

The Trump administration's pro-crypto stance could lead to better regulation, which may benefit crypto companies. However, policies like tariffs that strengthen the dollar could weigh on Bitcoin prices, creating a choppy market environment in the short term.

How has the approval of Bitcoin ETFs impacted the crypto market?

The approval of Bitcoin ETFs has democratized access to Bitcoin, making it easier for investors to buy and sell. However, it has also introduced volatility, as ETFs can experience significant inflows and outflows, making Bitcoin more correlated with traditional risk assets like stocks.

What is the significance of Delta Airlines' strong outlook and debt reduction?

Delta Airlines' strong outlook and significant debt reduction, paying down $3.6 billion in debt last year, improve its financial health and could lead to a re-rating of its stock multiple. The company's focus on customer service and operational efficiency has also contributed to its outperformance in the airline sector.

What is the role of utilities in the AI story and why are they gaining investor interest?

Utilities are gaining investor interest due to their role in supporting the AI boom, particularly through partnerships with tech companies like Microsoft. This has transformed utilities from a traditionally defensive sector to a secular growth story, attracting long-term investors.

How has the airline industry fundamentally changed post-pandemic?

The airline industry has shifted focus from high-margin business travel to premium economy and other customer-centric offerings. Airlines like Delta and United have improved their financial health by reducing debt and focusing on operational efficiency, leading to a fundamental transformation in the sector.

Chapters
The panel discusses the impact of a surprisingly strong jobs report on the stock market. Concerns arise about whether the economy is overheating, leading to higher yields and a sell-off in stocks. The discussion touches upon investor behavior and the competition between stocks and bonds.
  • Blowout jobs report pushes yields higher and stocks lower
  • S&P gains since Election Day are gone
  • 10-year and 30-year Treasury yields at highest since November 2023
  • Significant inflow into cash and treasuries

Shownotes Transcript

Scott Wapner and the Investment Committee debate the blowout jobs report pushing yields higher and stocks lower.  The desk debates the fallout for the market and your money. Plus, the Committee discuss the crypto trade with the Trump administration taking office later this month, CNBC’s Tanaya Macheel joins us with the latest. 

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