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5. A Symposium on Care:Calypso's Island

2024/11/22
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包慧怡:本期节目讨论了美国诗人Louise Glück的诗歌《奥德修斯的决定》,以及奥德修斯在卡吕普索岛上的经历。这首诗歌简短而深刻,引发了对人类生存状态的思考:奥德修斯面临着在永生乐园和回归故土的艰难抉择。卡吕普索岛象征着一种看似完美的永生,但这种永生却缺乏人情味和意义,最终奥德修斯选择了回归充满挑战和苦难的现实生活,体现了人对责任和归属感的追求。 节目中还探讨了古希腊神话中其他关于永生和死亡的故事,例如伊俄斯和提托诺斯的故事,以及卡吕普索试图劝说奥德修斯留下,但最终被拒绝的场景。这些故事都从不同角度展现了人类对时间和死亡的复杂情感,以及对人生意义的追问。 此外,节目还涉及了对时间和变化的理解,以及不同文化对时间的不同认知。例如,节目中提到了印度文化对时间的宏大理解,以及西方文化中对时间线性流逝的认知。这些不同的视角丰富了对人生和时间的理解。 桑阳:在节目中,我从Louise Glück的诗歌《奥德修斯的决定》出发,探讨了奥德修斯离开卡吕普索岛的意义。我认为这首诗歌体现了人类的困境:在看似完美的永生和充满挑战的现实生活之间做出选择。卡吕普索岛象征着一种虚假的永生,它缺乏人际关系、挑战和意义,最终奥德修斯选择了回归故土,这体现了人对责任、归属感和意义的追求。 节目中,我们还讨论了海德格尔的存在主义哲学,以及蒙塔莱的诗歌中对“忧思”的理解。‘忧思’一词在不同语境下有着不同的含义,既可以指担忧、焦虑,也可以指关怀、责任。奥德修斯的选择,也正是对“忧思”这一概念的深刻诠释。他选择离开卡吕普索岛,并非因为他厌倦了那里的安逸,而是因为他肩负着家庭和国家的责任,他需要回归现实,去面对挑战和苦难。 此外,我们还探讨了希吉努斯关于忧思女神库拉创造人类的寓言,以及库拉、朱庇特和地狱女神之间关于人类命名权的争论。这个寓言从侧面反映了人类的生存状态:人类生来就肩负着责任和忧思,而正是这些责任和忧思,构成了我们人生的意义。

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What is the significance of Odysseus' decision to leave Calypso's island?

Odysseus' decision to leave Calypso's island, Ogygia, symbolizes the human condition of choosing mortality and the struggles of life over eternal bliss and isolation. Calypso offered him immortality and eternal youth, but he chose to return to Ithaca, where he would face hardships, responsibilities, and his identity as a father, husband, and king. This decision reflects the value of human connections, time, and the inevitability of change.

How does the concept of 'care' (Cura) relate to human existence according to the podcast?

The concept of 'care' (Cura) is central to human existence as it represents both worry and concern for others. In the podcast, the myth of Cura, the goddess who shaped humans from clay, illustrates that humans are defined by their responsibilities and connections to others. Care is what gives life meaning, as it ties individuals to their roles in society, their families, and their communities. Without care, humans lose their purpose and identity.

Why is Calypso's island described as a place of suspension in time?

Calypso's island, Ogygia, is described as a place of suspension in time because it exists outside the normal flow of human life. On the island, Odysseus is isolated from the world, free from aging, death, and the responsibilities of his mortal life. This timelessness represents a form of death, as it strips away the human experience of change, growth, and connection to others. It is a place where one exists but does not truly live.

What does the myth of Cura reveal about the human condition?

The myth of Cura reveals that humans are inherently tied to care and responsibility. Cura, the goddess who shaped humans from clay, represents the dual nature of care as both a burden and a source of meaning. Humans are defined by their relationships, their roles in society, and their ability to care for others. This myth underscores the idea that care is essential to human identity and that without it, life loses its purpose and connection to others.

How does the podcast interpret the relationship between time and human existence?

The podcast interprets time as a fundamental aspect of human existence, emphasizing that change and the passage of time are what give life meaning. Odysseus' decision to leave Calypso's island and return to Ithaca symbolizes the acceptance of time and mortality. The cyclical nature of time, as seen in the waves of the sea, reflects the human experience of growth, struggle, and renewal. Without time, life becomes stagnant and devoid of purpose.

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本期节目是《此处有龙》改版后的第一期,主播们介绍了节目模式的调整,并与听众互动,回应了听众的留言和反馈。
  • 节目模式调整:时长控制在40-45分钟
  • 与听众互动:回应听众留言和反馈

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本期节目是《此处有龙》改版后的第一期,主播们从广播台里的正襟危坐,切换到了边聊边醉的古风会饮(bu shi)。

我们的旅程始于诺奖诗人露易丝·格丽克的《奥德修斯的决定》,终于古罗马作家希吉努斯关于“忧思女神”和人类起源的寓言,中间隔着“永生仙乡”奥吉吉亚(卡吕普索的无忧岛),以及荷马笔下酒色的大海。 {Calypso's Isle, by Herbert James Draper}

当忧思女神(Cura)本身为生命赋予了形式,“无忧”(Carefreeness)是否还有可能?我忧故我在。无论是海德格尔《存在与时间》中的“烦”(Sorge),还是蒙塔莱诗中的“恶”(male),似乎都是一种无法摆脱的存在处境。

但若我们能发现忧思女神的另一张脸?Care的另一大含义是:关心,关怀,对他者,对更长远的事物的关切。我关心,故我在。 {忧思女神创造人类}

本集中出现的龙族有:荷马、赫西俄德、苏格拉底、柏拉图、亚里士多德、希吉努斯、马可·波罗、海德格尔、格丽克;还有奥德修斯、卡吕普索、赫尔墨斯、天界斟酒人迦尼美得、黎明女神伊俄丝、忒勒马库斯、佩内洛普、拉俄忒斯。

Happy dragon encountering!

@本期节目主播:  包慧怡、桑阳

@制作人: 张泽熙

🦕本期节目诗歌文本: 制作人Jersey在剪辑的过程中口水分泌过于旺盛,乃至于想直接冲进时间的长廊抢走彼时的牛排!SANTÉ )! 🦕关于我们的节目,有任何期待或建议,都欢迎发送至邮箱:[email protected]