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Your Money Map Replay: Decumulation Demystified with Christine Benz and David Blanchett

2024/12/13
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Christine Benz
知名投资分析师和记者,专注于个人财务和投资策略。
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David Blanchett
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David Blanchett:退休金积累的第二个阶段是支出阶段,需要谨慎规划以维持退休后的生活水平。退休收入规划的复杂性源于各种不确定性风险,例如投资回报和寿命,而转向个人养老金账户体系加剧了这种复杂性。为了有效地利用剩余财富,人们需要考虑其目标和偏好,并利用现有的终身收入(如社会保障金)作为基础。每个人都应该确保其基本生活支出由终身收入保障,这有助于人们更安心地使用剩余储蓄。退休规划应该从“财务独立”的角度出发,而不是“退休”,这有助于人们更积极地规划退休后的生活,并根据自身情况调整支出。接近退休年龄的人应该寻求专业理财顾问的帮助,以制定周全的退休计划,并确保做出正确的决策。 Christine Benz:确定退休后每年可以安全支出的金额是一个难题,许多人习惯于储蓄,难以适应从投资组合中支出的转变。制定退休支出计划需要专业人士的帮助,因为这涉及到许多复杂因素,例如资产类型和税收规划。制定退休计划应该从对退休生活的整体规划开始,包括休闲娱乐和个人目标,并考虑这些活动的财务影响。退休支出规划应考虑不同类型的支出,例如旅行,并为其设置灵活的预算,而不是固定金额。退休规划应考虑分阶段退休,并利用终身收入来保障基本生活支出,从而更灵活地使用投资组合。退休规划应考虑长期护理成本,并制定相应的计划,例如自筹资金、政府援助或购买保险产品。

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Why is decumulation considered the most complicated problem in financial planning?

Decumulation involves determining how much you can safely spend each year over an unknowable time horizon, with uncertainties about lifespan and portfolio performance. It also requires transitioning from a saving mindset to a spending mindset, which many lifelong savers struggle with.

What percentage of American retirees report that spending down their savings is taking an emotional toll?

46% of American retirees say spending down their savings is causing emotional stress.

Why do lifelong savers often find it difficult to spend their retirement savings?

Lifelong savers have developed a strong identity around saving and often feel guilty about spending their hard-earned money. This psychological barrier makes it challenging to transition to a spending mindset in retirement.

What role do annuities play in retirement planning according to David Blanchett?

Annuities can provide guaranteed lifetime income, which helps retirees feel more secure and comfortable spending their savings. David suggests that everyone should have their essential expenses covered by lifetime income, which could include Social Security or annuities.

What is the average withdrawal rate from retirement portfolios for a 65-year-old married couple, according to David Blanchett?

The average withdrawal rate for a 65-year-old married couple is 2% or less, which is well below the commonly suggested 4% rule.

What does Christine Benz suggest as a way to maximize happiness in retirement spending?

Christine recommends creating a vision for retirement that includes both purposeful activities and leisure. She suggests using discretionary spending pots for activities like travel, allowing retirees to enjoy their savings without guilt.

What controversial idea does David Blanchett propose regarding employer contributions in 401(k) plans?

David suggests that all employer contributions should be annuitized, creating a guaranteed stream of income for retirees. This would help mitigate the anxiety around spending down personal savings.

How does Christine Benz think guaranteed income can help with retirement anxiety?

Guaranteed income, such as Social Security or annuities, can cover fixed expenses, providing peace of mind and allowing retirees to maintain a more aggressive investment portfolio. This reduces the need to withdraw from fluctuating assets during market downturns.

What advice does David Blanchett give for those approaching retirement without a financial advisor?

David advises getting help from a qualified financial advisor, especially when approaching retirement. He believes that having a second set of eyes on your plan is invaluable for making irrevocable decisions.

What does Christine Benz recommend to address long-term care costs in retirement planning?

Christine suggests creating a plan for long-term care costs by determining whether you will self-fund, rely on government care, or consider insurance. This helps alleviate anxiety about potential catastrophic expenses later in life.

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Many retirees struggle with the emotional toll of spending their savings. This is due to the complexity of decumulation and the psychological shift from saving to spending. The transition to defined contribution plans exacerbates this anxiety.
  • 46% of American retirees find spending down savings emotionally taxing
  • Decumulation is the process of spending retirement savings
  • Defined contribution plans increase retirement anxiety due to complexity and personal responsibility

Shownotes Transcript

Many of us spend decades saving for retirement. But what happens when it’s time to spend those hard-earned dollars…how do you make them last? 

On the most recent episode of Your Money Map), our weekly show with the Alliance for Lifetime Income, we talk about all things decumulation with the pros — Christine Benz, Director of Personal Finance and Retirement Planning for Morningstar, and David Blanchett, Research Fellow with the Alliance for Lifetime Income Institute.

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CHAPTERS:

00:00 Retirement worries

05:00 Why spending down our money in retirement can be so stressful

16:00 Redefining retirement as financial independence

25:00 Spending for maximum happiness

TAKEAWAYS:

  • Start by identifying your essential expenses and aligning them with guaranteed income like Social Security or annuities to cover the basics.

  • Lifelong savers often struggle to spend their hard-earned money. To overcome this mindset, consider using strategies like “spending pots” for travel or hobbies, which allow you to enjoy your savings guilt-free.

  • Adding guaranteed income (like annuities) to your retirement plan can provide peace of mind and allow you to spend more freely, knowing your essential needs are covered.

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