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Greetings and welcome to House of R, a Ringerverse podcast on the Ringer Podcast Network. I'm Mallory Rubin and it is my absolute pleasure to invite you not only to Middle Earth, to the Witch's Road.
to Gotham, to wherever else we might be journeying today. And also, of course, back into the house of art. Joining me today, telling us she knows we believe the ring is deceiving her, but she believes it is guiding her. It'll be fine. It'll be fine. It's Joanna Robinson. What could possibly go wrong with a powerful ring? Nothing. I think it will only fill us with purpose. Yeah.
He's collageal here. Oh my God, we're so close to Rings of Power. It's so exciting. We started getting so many emails from people with their Rings of Power hype. It's very real. I can't wait. I can't wait. Joanna, you said hype. You said hype. And it's fitting that you did because we are here for a cherished seasonal tradition, the house of our hype meter. Before we refresh everybody on the rules and on speaking of proud traditions, how we have decided to define a season.
Let's say quick programming reminders. Yeah. Over on the ringer verse, you can hear the return of the midnight boys. Pew, pew, pew. Tomorrow, Wednesday, August 21st, they will be having a state of the summer franchises chat. By the time you're listening to this, you will already be able to find the latest mint edition of
in your Ringiverse feed on Alien Romulus and Watchmen Chapter 1. For us, here in the House of R, it's a one-pod week. And...
In case you hear us, you know, notice us weaving in and out of time a bit on the pod today. We are banking this a few days early because we're going, we're both going on vacation next week. We're going dark next week. So we're banking the hype meter before we head out of town. Letting you know that because if there's like a trailer, a new trailer that came out or a new date for a show or something, and that's not accounted for in the hype meter, that's why.
Also, this will be the only pod of the week. And then we will be back with you next week. Twice as usual for the rings of power season two primer at the top of the week, thrilling and the rings of power season two premiere deep dive at the end of the week. Thrilling three episodes of rings of power dropping at once next week. So wild lock in folks, Joanna. Yes. How can everybody follow along? Oh gosh. I'm thrilled to the bone that you asked me this. Listen,
Why don't you just subscribe to the pod, both ringer verse and house of R while you're at it. Sounds like a good plan to me. And a few other ringer pods while you're at it. There's a lot going on. That's great stuff for you to listen to. Um, also on social, on Instagram, on Tik TOK, on Twitter, on Facebook, uh, and make sure that all of Jomie's hard work, uh, is not for not, and that you enjoy all the added content that he puts up there for you, for your enjoyment. Um,
The email's open. It stays open. It was flooded with Dragon emails last week, and now we're starting to get Hobbit emails. It's hobbitsanddragons at gmail.com. It's how you can get in touch with us. We got an email from someone just yesterday, I think.
telling us that she was like could not bear to be separated from us so sweet she had never watched any any lord of the rings or read any lord of the rings anything and she watched the peter jackson trilogy and she's like this is my new favorite story this is the best thing i've ever seen i love it so much sam aragorn oh my god the best time and i was just like
I genuinely could not be more thrilled. So welcome to Middle Earth. This is the stuff. This is the stuff. It is a power. I'm so excited. So yeah. Delightful. There you go. You still have a few days if you're hearing this and you're inspired.
You can watch season one of Rings of Power. You can watch all of the films, perhaps read the text or do none of that and just join us. Watch Rings of Power season one. Mallory's deep in her rewatch and is sending me tattoo ideas. So that's how you know we're backing it. It's true.
Okay. You can also watch full episodes of the house of art and midnight boys on YouTube. So check out the ring of verse YouTube channel, hit subscribe. If you haven't yet, you can also watch those episodes on Spotify. Delightful stuff. What a time. Great. Thrilling. Delightful. Exciting. Also the last programming reminder, it's usually the friendly neighborhood spoiler warning.
Tough one for a hype meter always because we don't know what's going to happen in the new stuff that's yet to come out that we're going to talk about. So obviously no future plot points will come up. We're just going to talk about like things we see in trailers, casting news, like that stuff. Yeah. But nothing beyond that. What is it vaguely about? Exactly. Will some stuff from prior installments or the larger like IP world that we're talking about come into play? I mean, yeah. Maybe. Yes. Here and there. Yes, for certain. For certain. Yes. I would say definitely. Definitely.
Okay, you've been warned. Great. I love a hype meter. Joanna, you...
you've told us, you mentioned this to me, you mentioned it to John, you mentioned it to Arjuna, you mentioned it to Steve, that you would formally like us to start calling you the sharer of gifts. So I guess we should share a gift now. We should share the ball height meter rules before we dive into the pot. No, I prefer you call me Joanna, who was Halbrand and is also Sarah. Thank you so much. Okay. All right. We'll amend that moving forward. Thank you. It's definitely going to
It's only going to help the runtime of the pods. Not a problem. Okay. Anyone who's listened to a hype meter before will be very familiar with the setup because we're sticking with it. Here's how it goes. Process. We will be counting down from 10 to 1 and our lists are surprises. I don't know what is on Joanna's fall hype meter and Joanna does not know what is on my fall hype meter. So if we have picked the same title at any point, which surely will happen.
We will discuss it at the higher of the two spots. I am going to predict that we have the same top three. I am not sure if we have it in the same order. We'll find out.
I don't know how much overlap will have to be on that. I don't know. I think we definitely have, I think two of those three for Sorton. And I'm not sure about one of those three. What's your prediction for overlap overall? Oh, 80%. I didn't go too wild this time. I'm following your meatball down the middle. Fastballs down the middle. Eligibility. Like one or two that maybe you don't have, but other than that, I think we're just...
I'm excited. Yeah. I'm excited. Eligibility. These are, as always, genre picks. If we could, if we will certainly, or could potentially, if there is a world in which we could potentially, will this come up for one selection today? We'll find out. Yes. Could potentially cover a given property on House of R, on Ringiverse. It can be selected in the height meter timeframe.
Okay. We have yet in any hype meter to actually follow the literal season starts on this date and ends on this date. We're not rebels. We're storytellers. We weave our own universes in our world. Exactly right. So in our world, fall 2024 will begin today, August 20th. It will run through the end of November. We're basically shifting fall up a month and we're doing this for two reasons.
We want to be able to include some stuff that comes out at the end of August. And there's actually a lot of stuff coming in December. So, you know, we got to think ahead. Winter hype meter. I mean, the winter hype meter is going to be a doozy. So if you came to this pod today and you were excited to hear Craven selected at number one, great news. You will get to hear that. It's just going to come in the winter hype meter in a few months. And remind the kids when Craven appeared on the hype meter before. Yeah.
I did select Craven in a hype meter. And I want to say that was last winter. Yeah.
calendar year. Though... The hype continues. The hype is sustained. I just need you to know that anytime someone mentions Kraven in a Slack, in a text, whatever, Mallory's like, most anticipated movie of the year. The bit is like ongoing. Genuinely, I can't wait to watch this movie. I'm excited. I'm so excited to podcast about it with you from the crevice that is...
Like one of the ridges on Aaron Taylor Johnson's torso. Right in an abnook. Right in an abnook. I'll see you there. Greasy abnook. All right. Releases that conclude in the date range we just shared are not eligible. No. This is releases that begin in that time period. Okay.
Finally, wildcard and honorable mentions. As always, nine out of the 10 picks must be currently confirmed. Now, we cannot be held accountable for a release moving. Again, Kraven the Hunter has moved so many times that it previously appeared on a 2023 hype meter.
Nine out of the 10, they must have a release date in our range. Currently, one can be a wildcard pick, which means reasonably assumed to come out in our time range. If you can make the case that it might come out, you can pick it. But you do not have to devote one of your spots to a wildcard pick. You do not have to. It's elective. Where are you on your Stranger Things is coming out in 2024 stance that you took earlier this year?
I've moved on. Okay. I mean, I had to try it in the hype draft. I respect it. I think I would have regretted forever if I hadn't at least attempted it. Yeah. But I moved on pretty quickly after that. After being denied. Finally, honorable mentions. If we had some extra contenders that we were bummed to leave off the list or just some things that we want to mention. Yeah. We'll run through them lightning round rapid fire style at the very end. If anyone who was on this podcast
video call with us is absolutely appalled by something we left off, you know, guys, you can jump in at the end. We'll see. A lot of stuff to be excited about. Okay, should we just dive in? Let's do it. Top 10 is the time. Let's do it. Joanna, kick things off. What's your number 10? I always on these try to put a book installment in. And so we're going to start at the bottom here, number 10 with a book installment because my book selections this time around are like a little on the weak side, actually. One is...
This is a hype meter, but it's also like it's like a hope meter. It's like we hope all of these things are as good as they have the potential to be. So one, I only have one smuggle and then like one actual. The smuggle is I probably won't even read it. I just need to say it because I've gotten so many emails about it.
Brando Sando himself is putting out the fifth installment in the Stormlight archives, Nights of Wind and Truth. It is December 6th, just outside of our date range. So there are many ways in which it doesn't qualify. A, I probably won't read it. B, it doesn't come like inside the date range. I just didn't want to get anyone saying, why didn't you mention Stormlight? So Stormlight has been mentioned. Brando Sando heads, I hope you're thrilled and excited to get another Stormlight installment. Yeah.
I will be selecting, however, and again, this is like hope meter fodder, September 10th. This is my number 10. TJ Klune, who wrote... Yeah, Somewhere Beyond the Sea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have the same number 10. I have a copy of it. I have an advanced copy of it right here. I haven't read it yet. But I think you liked...
Cerulean Sea a bit more than I did. You loved it. I liked it. So since it's our number 10, we can both talk about it here. You loved it. I liked it. I am like... But there's just such good foundation there that in the...
the Hope Meter fashion, I'm, like, hopeful that this takes it to, like, another level entirely and I just have a great time with it. But if it doesn't even, like, ratchet it up, I had a fun, fine time reading the first book. So I think I'm going to definitely enjoy Somewhere Beyond the Sea. So, yeah. Delightful. Look at us. This was...
Wow. I mean, if we have we both have this at 10, we might have more overlap than I than I was anticipating. Goodness. And I like that you're you're saying hope meter because it's that's, you know, didn't say that in the rules refresher. But we should just offer a quick reminder. The hype meter is not about like predicting. And this has nothing to do necessarily with somewhere beyond the sea, but just in general. It isn't about like predicting ultimately how successful any of these releases will be. It's just like anticipation. Yeah.
What are we looking forward to? What are we excited to share with each other, with all of you, et cetera? So I also have Somewhere Beyond the Sea at number 10. I really, really, really loved the 2020s, The House in a Cerulean Sea. I did not enjoy the next Clune book I read quite as much, Under the Whispering Door, but I really loved the first Cerulean Sea book. And
First of all, I read it as part of my Cuse book club, now known as Pulp Book Club, as previously discussed on a prior pod. Pals United and Literary Pleasure. And also the Paper Pulp and Orange Pulp. Go Cuse. Okay. Do you guys have merch yet?
One of our pals, Suzanne, made everybody custom bookmarks with the pulp. I feel like you should start buying merch from the band Pulp and just repurpose it as your own merch. You know what I mean? Let's do it. This is like when I wore a Pamplemousse t-shirt in front of you the first time and you're like, is that for the band? I was like, this is a LaCroix shirt. LaCroix. You can always make it work. But not only am I looking forward to reading this next...
and what is now called the Cerulean Chronicles. So my assumption is that we will continue to get- Strap in. Installments with my beloved college buddies, with our book club. I really was just so fond of the characters in the first book. And so the idea of like, and it seems like this is going to be a very, I won't share like particulars from the story for anyone who hasn't read it, but it seems like this second installment is going to be very Arthur centric. And I really loved Arthur. So that's exciting. I have said before, I'll just say again, Theodore-
was to me one of the best characters who had ever made his way into my life.
When he came out of his little couch den and rested his chin on that waiting leg, my heart just melted. So I'm just excited to be back with the gang. You know, found family. Found family. Magic and love. It's very Charles Xavier's School for Gifted Children sort of coded story with a very cozy, lovely story of found family. So, yeah. Lovely is a great word for it. Lovely. Yeah. I'm excited. Okay. Number 10. What's your number nine? Number 10.
I have peppered this list with the remaining witch properties of the year. And number nine, coming out November 22nd, is The Musicale Wicked Part One. I do not have this on my list. Take it away. An adaptation of a stage musical that is an adaptation of a Gregory Maguire book.
Like, how long have I been with this story of, like, I bought that book, like, a gajillion years ago. I actually saw this in London during my semester abroad, which was, like, a hundred years ago because I am ancient. Exactly.
This is a little low on my list just because I don't know. There's some aspects of this movie. It's directed by John Chu, who I thought didn't do like the best job within the heights and stuff like that. So like, I'm a little worried about like the look of it and stuff like that, but I am really excited for Cynthia Erivo, who is incredible. Who's going to be playing Elphaba. Yeah.
Jeff Goldblum is going to do his thing. Michelle Yeoh is here. Johnny Bailey. I love Johnny Bailey so much, and I'm really excited that he's playing Fiyero. Dinklage is going to be here. Bowen Yang is going to be here. It's going to be a good time. Ariana Grande, yes, is also here. But she was good in the trailer. I was very skeptical. She's good in the trailer. So I still have some reservations about how synthetic...
It looks just like very CG painted, but I'm hopeful. And I still think it was a mistake to...
divide it into two musicals I still think that's like a little bit of an overreach but that's going to be more of an issue for part two than it is for part one because most of the good songs are going to be in part one so musicals which stuff uh wicked I I am ready for you November 22nd throw this out there not only not your last which stuff go not your last musical correct yeah correct
Listen, fall 2024 is Joanna's season. It really is. I can only be myself. I was like, what a time to be Joanna Robinson. I know. Boy. Thrilled for me, honestly. I'm thrilled for you too, truly. Thank you. I don't know if my number nine made your top 10, though I know it's something you're looking forward to. Silo season two. It's my number eight.
Look at this. I know. Pretty good. Delightful. So why don't you just go for it? We should just talk about it. Yeah. Because it would be your next one anyway. Okay. So this is coming November 15th. Apple TV Plus. Another 10 episodes. And this is a
adapting the second half in essence of the first book in Hugh Howey's wool series, a showrunner, Graham Yost of justified fame. This was part of why we were looking forward to season one so much. And Rebecca Ferguson, anything. My wife, Rebecca Ferguson and my husband, Ian Glenn. Wow.
We kind of caught up with season one toward the end and then did a pod on it. And I had been like wanting to read wool for so long. I'd had it on my bookshelf for years and, you know, read like the first however many pages before our pop. But then as soon as we finished the pod and finished the season, finally, sacrilegiously,
sat down and read the book and just really, really enjoyed it. So I'm excited to be back in the world. I, I quite enjoyed the first season. I liked that. Not only the way that the world of the, the silo series was brought to life, but that kind of like genre mashup inside of the larger dystopian sci-fi universe, detective story, mystery unfolding, a thriller. So yeah,
excited to see what that kind of blend and flavor is in season two of this very like specifically rendered universe. And Steve Zahn joining the cast in season two is a thrill. The best news we've ever heard.
I just can't wait for this. I love Susan. Yeah, so this is sort of similar to Cerulean Sea for me in that this was like a BB plus for me. We did binge it quite hastily in order to cover it. It wasn't our ideal way to cover it at all. There was a lot going on during its initial run that we couldn't cover it week to week. This is something that we'll probably, I think...
judging by the schedule we'll have and the fact that we're putting out two episodes a week now and stuff like that, have space to cover this
uh, week to week, uh, no promises, but, uh, definitely possible. Um, certainly not hastily more than once. Yeah. Certainly not hastily binging it at the last minute, the way that we did last time. I think this world is incredible. I love the world of the silo, uh, a lot of great performances, Rebecca Ferguson. Um, as we mentioned, uh, Tim Robbins with the mask off now is going to be like, you know, fun to watch. Uh,
Dame Harriet Walter doing like extremely baffling, extremely baffling accent work that like, frankly astonishing, just endears me more to this, uh, project. Are they going to make Steve Zahn do an accent? Who's to say? I can't wait to find out. Um,
Yeah, so this is once again on the sort of hope meter. I am hoping they take the foundation of season one, which is quite good, and build on it to something even better and stronger. And I am excited. I haven't read beyond that sort of first chunk of the first book that we read to talk about it on the pod, and so I'm excited. I do want to read the book before beginning to read. I know that they're deviating from the book. The second you come across the character Steve's on, it's playing, you're going to be like,
The excitement you already feel for him entering the story is just going to explode. Skyrocket. I know that they're deviating from the book a lot, and I think the ideas are going to do flashbacks as part of it to get some of the origin of the Silo story in there or whatever. Anyway, I'm number eight Silo season two, November 15th. Okay, my number eight is something that I have no doubt you have higher. Joker. Joker.
I have it higher. Yeah. Okay. I mean, of course. Let's put a pin in that for now. And then I look forward to you singing your explanation to me for wherever you selected it. So that takes us to your number seven then? Yeah. Like genuinely. How are there two musicals on this list? Kind of three musicals on this list. I am just so thrilled. Okay. Number seven. Not Joe Fall. Not a musical. That we know of. You mentioned Gotham. Mm-hmm.
Penguin? I have this. I have this higher. Back to you, Mallory Rubin. Back to you. I have seen episode one of Penguin, so that's informing my placement of it. Okay, back to you. Okay, I can't wait to find out if this is higher on your list or not on your list. I'm going to guess not on your list. My number seven is one of the...
Part of one of the most important franchises of our recent shared experience. It is the third and final film in this beloved property...
Yeah, I do. I watched the trailer and I just got really excited about it. I mean, it was hard for me to put it this low. Yeah. Then on the last dance, of course, is what we are alluding to. Okay. So we will circle back to Joker. We will circle back to Penguin and we will circle back to Venom. This is how I spot in the hype meter where we're like, Arjuna, Steve, make sure we don't forget to actually talk about these. Yeah. Uh, that takes us to my number six. Uh,
uh right back to the old zazlov.com it's dune prophecy november 2024 wow you're surprised it's so low yeah i'll tell you why okay i have this way higher yeah you have it in your top three i do yeah yeah okay now i think i know what your numbers what your what your top two are okay okay number wow oh what's your number six okay my number six is
We'll be releasing on the big screen in the cinema on November 22nd. I have it higher.
Well, so you're leaning into the bit with me. We have to cover this. We have to. It's so hardcore, we have to cover it. Okay, great. All right, that's Gladiator 2. It's my number six. Joe has it higher. How many minutes of the pod in a row can we go without actually talking about a property? It's over. It's time. My number five? Yeah. Ben and the Last Dance. October 25th, this comes out.
I don't know what to say. I would like I I had seen this trailer already because I definitely seen Venom Horse. But I but I sort of just like hadn't been like constantly thinking about it. And then I was processing the genius that awaits. I was like, I didn't in my initial rough draft of this list. I didn't have it. And I was like, Mallory will hit it. I don't need to hit it. Like, it's going to be fine. And then I rewatched the trailer. I was like, you know what?
This just looks like a really fun, fine time at this. This looks like an absolute shit show and I'm kind of here for it. I think it's going to be really fun. Juno Temple, I'm just like such a massive fan of after Fargo, Ted Lasso, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm excited. I hope her role isn't like a,
a thankless hot blonde in a lab coat it might be uh choo-choo joe force here like i know never a bad move incredible yeah it's like so and steven graham who is always wonderful so like i uh i don't know i'm just excited i'm excited that they're calling it sort of like like the a sense of an ending to it and stuff like that like uh and you know tom hardy
just still giving it his all. Absolutely. I just, I'm excited about this. You liked Carnage way more than I did, but, and it's possible that I won't love this as much as I'm hoping I will love it, but it kind of looks like something I hope I will love. So that's where I am. I genuinely enjoyed the first two Venom movies. Genuinely. I love them. One of my fond memories is that Venom Let There Be Carnage came out the weekend before you began working on it.
working at the ringer. And so while we had put it together before and been in touch and we're obviously like preparing for you to start officially, I would say like technically like the first work planning conversation we had was, hey, do you think we could squeeze in a venom pod between your official orientation and onboarding? Turned out the answer was no. It was a no. I like to think of that as like the moment that our shared ringer journey really began. If anybody out there is like, hey,
What's the movie going to be about? I'm just going to read the official, please. The official summation here. Eddie and Venom are on the run.
hunted by both of their worlds. And with the net closing in, the duo are forced into a devastating decision that will bring the curtains down on Venom and Eddie's last dance. It makes me so happy to think about all the people for years and years to come who are going to be Googling the last dance, looking for the outstanding Michael Jordan documentary and come across Venom, the last dance instead. Just an incredible time to be people watching content in 2024.
I can't wait for this movie. Amazing. Amazing. Okay, so you had that at five. So that means... I had it at seven. You had it at five. So we're on my number five. This is my wildcard pick. I decided to use a wildcard. Okay. Sandman, season two. Coming soon. Oh, boy. Okay. In the...
HBO mashup trailer, what's coming in the rest of 2024 and then what's coming in 2025. This was in the pre-2025 part. It was 100% in the 2024 part and it had a new series coming soon tag. Could that end up meaning December and putting it outside of our eligibility window? Yes, but I think because it's confirmed for 2024, I'm allowed to use it as my wild card. It is the franchise.
Yeah, I'm really excited about this. I'm really excited. I know some people have seen it and they really liked it. So yeah. This looks fantastic. Yeah, yeah. A Sam Mendes, Armando Iannucci joint job, a 30-minute HBO prestige comedy, a satire of our IP superhero obsession would always be welcome. But like, especially in this moment of our Iannucci veep renaissance, everybody revisiting veep.
And in this particular moment of like resetting or reinventing for so many actual superhero properties, it's just going to be a welcome area to spend time. The cast is amazing. A lot of our faves, Joe, are in this cast. A lot of our faves.
Mesh Patel is here. Cash is here. Billy Magnuson is here. Richard Grant is here. Daniel Bruhl is here. On and on and on the list goes. Daniel Bruhl. I think this is going to be fantastic. It's just hard to imagine that this wouldn't be great. I love Iannucci. Never, never misses. Never misses Iannucci. You think Mesh Patel is like, should I rewatch Station Eleven? Yes. I just assume you always are. This is going to be what I watch on my flight.
Today, maybe. Fantastic. Cheery. Cheery flight watching. I'll just be sobbing on the plane. Okay. My number four, correct, is Joker Folly. Okay. So I had that at eight. Yeah. Not surprised you have it in the top five. Tell us why it's a top five. Listen, part of this is a bit because like...
I hear all the ways in which people are like, there's no way this is good. And I didn't love the first Joker film. And I am not like a huge Todd Phillips fan in general, necessarily. So why am I in on this?
I love Harley Quinn as a character. I love Harley Quinn. I really like Lady Gaga in general. And I love a musical. And I like, so when I found out that Lady Gaga was playing Harley Quinn, I was like, that's, I was already like, that's interesting to me. When I found out it was a musical, I was like, okay, cool.
That's interesting to me. When I saw the trailer, I was like, nothing about this trailer is dissuading me from my interest in this film. The trailers have been really good. Yeah, this sort of surreal... I don't know. I'm just really excited. The trailers have been expertly cut. And I just...
I'm just very hopeful that this is very good. Brendan Gleeson is joining Joaquin Phoenix in his Oscar-winning role as the Joker. Do we talk enough about Joaquin Phoenix winning Best Actor? No. For the Joker? For playing Arthur Fleck? No. Do we talk enough about this? We don't. Lady Gaga is here. The Stairs are back. Catherine Keener's here. Like, I don't know. I just... I've just decided...
long ago to be excited about this movie. I love this. Harry Lottie, who plays my favorite character on television. Rob from industry. Actually, second favorite. Jackson Lamb is probably my favorite character on TV. What about something handsome, Gilded Age? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I am a fan of the work that Morgan Spector is doing on the Gilded Age.
There you go. But yes, Harry Lottie, you have been texting. The industry texts have been. He's tremendous. Coming fast and furious. OK, so, yeah, Joker followed you. That's where I am. I've just decided to be hopeful. And if it's terrible, we will all experience that together. Yeah. Again, hype meter, you know.
We live in the moment while we can. Yeah. I'm excited. I think both of these trailers that have come out have been really good. This feels like one where it's either going to be a complete whiff or we're going to be like, they actually pulled it off. Yeah. Wow. Right? Because they're all really going for it. So it's either going to be like, oh my God, or like, oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't wait to see how...
I think that the way you're identifying that there's this kind of surreal quality to it, how that particular tone and aura sustains across the entire film, across the reported 15 musical numbers. Yay! I want to see the vision brought to life. I'm looking forward to it. And this is pretty soon. I mean, October 4th. And it premieres a month before that, right? It premieres September 4th.
In Venice? What is the reaction? It's going to be in Venice. We'll have some idea. October 4th, as you know, is the day after my birthday. So I'm considering this a birthday gift to me. There you go. From my best friend, Todd Phillips. Thanks, Todd. Fantastic stuff. I love it. Okay, well, let's stay in the DC universe for a moment here because four is where I have the penguin. Let's do it. I'm excited. Penguin. I mean, yeah. It looks good. It looks good. I...
I love Colin Farrell. I loved the Batman. I thought that. I loved the Batman. Yeah. I mean, it feels like.
so long ago already. It's really fun now to be back in, obviously in general, thinking about this new era of DC with the James Gunn DCU and then anything that falls into the DC Elseworlds umbrella and is outside of the new continuity that they'll be establishing. And like, you know, the Batman is like its own universe now inside of this larger split universe. And to go back to that world and to that tone, to get like,
We'll circle back to the cast in a second, but just the grimy street level crime story that
DC fare in the HBO prestige world. I'm genuinely really excited about that and think that this could be quite good. I've liked the trailers so far. It's eight episodes, which also feels like a good length for this limited series. Not too short. They've got room to play, but it's not going to stretch on and perpetuity. I, I really liked our time with the,
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No, definitely. I mean, we definitely want to cover the show. Absolutely. I'm not... When did you have this? You had this at seven? Seven. Okay. So I've seen the first episode. Yeah. And I don't... Like, I don't want to watch ahead because I... Like, if we're covering it week to week, I don't want to watch ahead.
but it was the kind of premiere where I'm like, I really want to watch a couple more to get, like, I don't feel like I have a full flavor of what this is going to be. It was a lot of setup. I think, uh, Christine Miliani's character doesn't play, uh, like really a part in the first, you know, so it's just sort of like, she's second build. I don't really have a flavor for her, like a taste for her yet. Um,
Which I think is going to be key to the whole thing. But there's so many reasons to be excited about it. Like, visually, it looks very... We're back in that same visual palette, which I love for the Batman. Craig Zabel, who is, like, you know, running things, directing the first couple episodes, is knocked out of the park with Mare of Easttown. So, like, the
the idea of taking a mayor of East town sensibility to Gotham. It's very excited. Helen Shaver also is coming into direct and she directed some of my favorite episodes of station 11 speaking of, so like incredible talent, uh, working on this. Um,
An incredible cast. Clancy Brown is here. Always a treat. As Moroni, another crime boss that of notes. Theo Rossi, one of my favorite Sons of Anarchy cast members is here. Mark Strong is here in an undisclosed role. We've got a couple people from The Expanse are here. So there's just a lot of talent in the mix here in a world that I loved, the Batman I loved. So there's a lot of potential here. And this picks up like...
just days after the events in the Batman. So we're not just in that world, but we're in that time period. This is like Penguin's rise, right, in the underworld and pursuing his new powers of a crime lord. That's kind of the moment we're set in post-Carmine Falcone's demise. Timely demise. So yeah. So I think what I will say, no matter what, if you're super excited for this or you're whatever, I would say...
Let's wait until episode two. Like episode one just feels like such a like slip into a like gently warm bath and then like we'll sort of turn up the temp on it as we go. So it's true. I love doing exactly that. So I'm curious to see where we go from there, I guess. Yeah. Wonderful. OK, Joanna, does this take us already to your number three? Yeah. We're zipping along here.
As you mentioned, you were like, you're joining me on the bit? I mean, we're here to talk about Gladiator 2, which is coming out November 22nd. And we gave you some shit about this on the hype draft, admittedly. Some? Some amoticum, a smattering. You can handle it. Listen, as the number one shit giver, you can take some shit from a smattering. Well, I've tried to be nice in recent drafts, and it hasn't worked out, so...
The Cal brothers, Paul Mescal and Pedro Pascal are here. We're so blessed with this cast. Denzel Washington, Joe Quinn, Fred Heisinger from White Lotus, Derek Jacoby, Rory McCann, the Hound is here. The Gladiator. Gladiator is a stone cold classic film. And there are so many reasons why I was like, I don't know that I want this movie.
Namely, Ridley Scott's very patchy, you know, track record with his own revisiting his own franchises. Or in this case, making a franchise, which the Gladiator wasn't to begin with. But then we headed to Thighs O'Clock in the trailer. Yeah, Thighs O'Clock. And you were sold. The cast is just...
Gas is unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. What we have seen has looked incredible. I don't think Denzel Washington is like physically capable of ever giving a bad performance in anything. And so if you know, and we love Pedro, we love Paul and like all that sort of stuff like that. But Denzel is just sort of like this, this like sturdy, ionic,
column in the center of, or maybe he's a dork column. I don't know. But like, he is a column of some sort at the center of this whole, he's going to hold this all together. And I think this is just going to be,
I think this would be great. And we are definitely covering it. It's sword and sandal. That is genre. That counts. We're covering it. Absolutely. Thank you. Okay. You know what? I was about to say, where was this during the hype draft, but fuck that. Like the drafts are about competitive spirit. So I respect you trying to tear me down. You're welcome. That's the point. You're welcome.
But in the spirit of friendship and shared experience, we are now moving forward united as one. And that is beautiful. I did have a moment when I was like blocking my list.
Where I'm like, man, there are a couple of things that I'm really bummed to leave off of the top 10. We have our honorable mentions, but even so, it's like, oh, man, I'm not going to this isn't going to be in my top 10. Like, should I not keep leaning into the bid? Am I really going to keep something out of my top 10 so that I can include something in Gladiator 2 that the listen, the bid is even a bit. It's just a fact.
The voting public rejected the strategy. However, I think the public is also very excited for Gladiator 2. How could they not be? The first trailer, every now and then you see a trailer and you're like, it renews your appreciation for how the trailer is an art form in and of itself, a supreme art form. This trailer was so fucking weird, but in the best possible way. Yeah.
It's really just incredible amount of water. Sublime. Sublime. I, you know, the gods have spoken. That's in the trailer and that's how we feel about it as well. We will be covering Gladiator 2. Steve, are you going to update the calendar? We will be covering Gladiator 2. The gods have spoken sounds like prophecy to me and prophecy is House of R. So here we are. Yes, it is. Chosen Ones.
a a a hero of higher birth hiding in obscurity i mean exactly come on come on myth making legend yeah yeah uh it does make me feel just like astonishingly old to confront the fact that gladiator came out uh nearly 25 years ago it just doesn't seem like that should be no thank you but it doesn't seem like that should be true or possible and yet and yet here we are uh
Paul Meskel is a global treasure. So excited to watch him perform. Can't wait for the film. Can't wait to share it with you. Okay. That was your number three. I'm number six. I just want to get on the record to say I am most excited for our pasty blonde. Our co-emperors. Emperors. Yeah. We love some brothers who look fairly inbred. Yeah.
Joe Quinn, again, just like really making the most out of his time here. And you know, we get like half of the Fantastic Four in this movie with Pedro and Joe Quinn. Yeah. Delightful time. Delightful time. Okay. That was your three, my six. So that takes us to my three, which I suspect is your two. And it is Agatha all along. That is my two. Okay. So we'll talk about it in a moment. Or now. Now. Because we're on to number two. Which stuff go? I think...
I think that's where we are. Stuff. Go. And musical stuff. Go. You have it all, Jo. All of it. Musicals. Witches. It feels like it was made for me, genuinely. I'm happy for you. I'm excited for us and I'm happy for you. Truly. I posted this on Instagram. I have this like moonstone pendant. I'm not a witch, but I have this moonstone pendant that I wear every single day and it exploded the other day.
You did post this on Instagram. Yeah. It was like genuinely devastating to me that this happened. Sorry to talk about this on a podcast, but I have a point. The point is I was talking to my therapist about it. Wow. She's from California. I was talking to my therapist about it. She told me to throw it in the ocean as part of like letting things go. And then my friend was like, is your therapist a witch? And I was like, maybe I wouldn't be upset about it. So Witch Stuff Go is just going. It's just ongoing. It's all connected. It is.
It's just ongoing. Agatha, House of Carkness, Coven of Chaos, Darkhold Diaries, Agatha All Along, whatever you want to call it. Which was your favorite title of the big titles before we got to the real title? Or is this the winner of the winner?
I think the bit is really funny. Yeah. This idea. I enjoyed it as well. Yeah. I think it was really funny. At first, I was like, what's going on? They got me completely. I was like, what's going on here? And I almost think like maybe the first title change wasn't the bit, but then they were like, let's make this a bit now. Yeah. I think House of Harkness, the original title, always like, I don't know, evoked like a fashion house to me in a way. I don't know. It just sort of, I liked it. But did you have a favorite?
I liked House of Harkness. I liked Oven of Chaos, Darkhold Diaries. I liked them all. I enjoy Agatha all along as connective tissue to the iconic musical number from WandaVision and as a summation and culmination of the title bit. It was Agatha all along. Great stuff. I don't know...
musical this thing is gonna be we know that there is one musical number they performed it at D23 the ballad of Witch's Road ugh so good just the phrase Witch's Road walk the Witch's Road wonderful um you know
You know, when you have a musical legend like Patti LuPone in the cast, just so exciting. Aubrey Plaza looks to be giving a fourth wall breaking really fun, like, antic performance that we love. And Joe Locke, who I love from Heartstopper, is here. I'm really excited for people who haven't seen Heartstopper to sort of, like, see. I hope he, like, brings the same...
just like joy and like vulnerability that he brings from that show into the show. To his role of teen? Teen. Just a teen. Just a dude being a guy, being a teenager. Definitely not Wanda's son, Billy. Absolutely not.
Billy, a.k.a. Wiccan. That is definitely not how we're doing here. So, like, we have these witches, this coven of witches. Agatha does not have her powers. Right. These various witches, either... I think maybe they all don't have their powers or they all want something. Very, like, Wizard of Oz in that way. And they all want to, like, go see the wizard. Go walk the road. At the end of the road, you get your heart's desire. And so I'm imagining... I do not know much about what this show is going to be. I'm imagining for...
Billy, it might have to do with his mom, something about his mom. And like, if that means we get more Wanda stuff of some kind, again, I'm completely extrapolating. We might be Ralph Bonert again. Absolutely. I'm ready for that. But like, I, uh, I'm excited. I, I, I,
I feel unsatisfied. And we're in the Wanda universe. Like, we're in the Jack Schafer- Exactly. I'm unsatisfied with how Wanda's story ended in Multiverse of Madness. I was very, like, you know, forthright with that at the time. Jack Schafer, who launched WandaVision, is here. So, like, I'm hoping... Not even necessarily that we'll get more Elizabeth Olsen. I'm not saying, like, Mephisto's gonna be here. Elizabeth Olsen's gonna be here. Because Elizabeth Olsen seems, like, rather done with the MCU. But I'm hoping some sort of...
different ending for Wanda of a sorts would be exciting for me. And I just think it like, it looks cool. It feels very like, I mean, it's,
it'll still be running into October, but it's just like a very nice. Yeah. It's just like a very nice Halloweeny feeling kind of show. I like the Halloween season. Yeah. Even though it starts September 18th. Yeah. You know, as candy enthusiasts, I have, I have no qualms about extending Halloween season into people are already shot. I mean, like I know the, the, the aisles of target already have their like ceramic pumpkins out. Like I am convinced that,
you know halloween season just extends further and further into summer uh as we go along uh because you got to make way for christmas season which is also uh always encroaching but yeah like you know the if this is the pumpkin spice lattes of shows and pumpkin spice lattes are delicious they are i am yeah i've just decided to be really excited about this show and i am me too if it
It's not good. We'll talk about it. But this is the hope meter. This is the hype meter. Would not be the first time we were looking forward to a Marvel show. And then it was not good. But you know what? They've had a lot of time. They've had so much time. To so much time in space this year. Deadpool Wolverine. Echo binge drop isn't really even a part of it because that was already like done and they just dropped it. So they had all year.
to perfect and fix this and make this good. And so I'm just like really hopeful that it's what we want. Jack Schaefer is just a great storyteller. Yeah. Who complains about getting to spend time with Catherine Han? Nobody. Oh, I think I forgot to say the words Catherine Han. Catherine Han. Catherine Han reprising her instantly iconic role as Agatha Harkness. Both the trailers have been good. The original, like the teaser trailer was,
opening with a like fairly protracted pair of yeah yeah was i almost didn't need to see anything beyond that i was in i mean i was already excited but when we got the wooder utterance yeah i knew we were once again in good hands so you pair that with the cast the very very
particularly calibrated all in on this energy conveyance in the trailers that we've seen so far. The musical number, Darkest Hour, Wake Thy Power. Sure. I'd love to. Thanks for asking. Thanks for the offer. We love a test. We love a trial. A trial without powers? The witch's road with us. Please. Let's do it. Is the thing you think you want that's waiting at the end really the thing you want, Joe? Or was it the friends you made along the way?
Exactly. Or was it the friends you... I would love to assemble a coven. Or was it the friends you betrayed along the way? I'm too new to find out. Oh, man. Okay, so that's your two. Obviously, there was no question that we were going to have the same number one. So that's your two, my three. Yeah. Also, just last thing on Agatha, they have been like in reading like all the interviews or all the lead up or whatever, they have been implying like, I think people are... I don't think this is going to be like hocus pocus. Like I think...
People are going to die on the witch's road is the implication. So, you know, I think it's going to have like a fun tinge of darkness to it as well. Okay. Great stuff. I always love when we hit the point in the pod where we call murder fun. A murder. A murder. Okay. So my number two. Yeah. Is Dune Prophecy. Where did you have this? You had this at... Six. Six. Okay. I...
This is coming in November. Exact date, annoyingly still TBD. I'm going to guess November 17th if we basically just count the weeks until Penguin ends. So let's say probably mid-November. This is, of course, the prequel to Dune. It's going to be set 10,000 years before the primary text centered on the Bene Gesserit story
The word, it used to be called Dune Sisterhood, but the word prophecy is just right there. Right there in the title, Joanne. We love prophecy, as you previously mentioned on this very podcast today, here on this episode. Lots of creative overhauls with the series to date. As we like to talk about, sometimes that can be a harbinger, sometimes it can be alarming, and sometimes it means that hopefully in that time, they got it right and we're going to get a banger. So,
Dune Part 2 is still to me the movie of the year. Let's keep the, right? Absolutely. Let's keep the Dune hype going. Let's keep the Dune hype going. Dune as a property, no stranger to the small screen, right, Franco?
Frank Herbert's Dune, Frank Herbert's Children of Dune over on the sci-fi channel. Dune is, of course, also no stranger to franchise expansion in terms of the number of texts from originally from Frank Herbert and then all of the subsequent additional novels and tales from from Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson.
This is a different kind of expansion, though, in the Duneverse. And I'm excited to see how that goes and how that feels and to play in a point in the world that feels like new and distinct, but also seamlessly connected to like building that bridge toward the thing we're all so familiar with and love so much. Like it's the road to Lisa and Al-Gaib. So yeah.
I really hope this is good. I think if this is good, it's going to be a great thing for us to be able to cover and talk about every week. And there's just so much enthusiasm. I mean, Dune, Frank Herbert's Dune is like one of our favorite shared stories, period. So the idea of just having more Dune stories is very exciting.
full stop. But given the enthusiasm in the larger world around the Dune franchise right now, it just feels like this could be a moment. It feels like this could be a thing. And maybe not, but if it is, that's awesome. When you get that zeitgeist going and you have a show that people are actually excited to watch at the same time and talk about together, that's the best. So I'm excited not only for Dune Prophecy as a story and as an installment in the Dune universe, but I'm excited...
And this is part of what's generating the hype to the top two for me. I really am excited to see if this becomes a thing that people are just collectively very hyped about. That's my hope. We'll see. Hope me there. What are your Dune prophecy thoughts? I've heard, though I've not been asked personally, that HBO is sort of anxiously screening this for people in a way that makes me feel like they don't have a ton of confidence in it.
or at least worried about it and that makes me a little worried about it uh if i'm being honest this is a hope meter so like you know i i i don't want to yuck your yum and i think you're right to hope and i agree with you that like if it's like what uh how thrilled will we be if everyone gets on board with this show because then we just get to talk about you know herbert's ideas uh
you know, for weeks at a time and, and all of that. So that's really, uh, finally do the ball of fame. We'll see. No promises, no promises. Could be next to Oscars. Could be the one year anniversary. It could be the five year anniversary. Mark strong doing double HBO max duty on both penguin and, uh, Dune prophecy, but also just Emily Watson, Olivia Williams, Jodi May, like Jodi May, you know, Maggie, the frog amongst other things, uh, last Mohicans, et cetera. Uh, absolute legend. Um, uh,
I'm a little worried about the, so Alison Schapker, who is the showrunner, who is a very lovely person, was also in charge, basically like kind of took over a bit for Lisa Joy and Jonathan Nolan on season four of Westworld. And season four of Westworld was like,
kind of a tough hang. So I'm just like a little, almost just a little anxious. But I want this to be amazing. I want this as much as you do. I want this to be great. You're right that this is not a predictor episode. So I, you know, but I'm just nervous, but I'm hopeful, hopeful and nervous, I guess is where I am.
I want this to absolutely crush, you know? Same. Yeah. And for us to have like a million Dune shows. For us to get to talk about Dune every week for like two months. Yeah. What a gift. What a gift. It would be a gift. It would be a power. A power? Does that bring us to our unsurprisingly shared number one? Yeah. We're mere days away. As we record this, it's only 13 days. As you hear it, it's only nine days.
Until the Rings of Power, season two. Oh, Mallory. If you're not watching this, Mallory has a breakfast, second breakfast, 11 Z's, lunch and afternoon tea, dinner and supper shirt. Wonderful. I'm not sure I should have blown this today. I didn't see it. Because, well, that I think is something I have to figure out with the home camera angle and my abhorrent posture. But I only have so many Lord of the Rings shirts. You know, should I have saved it for the season? Yeah.
No, I think if Adam, if you're listening, I think your assignment is clear. He did give me this. Yeah. Time to order more Lord of the Rings shirts. I'm excited. I don't know. I feel like I could be completely wrong. I know we're in a silo of like
you know, Tolkien fans or whatever. But I feel like people outside of the initial sort of like really disproportionate backlash that there was a season one, what has emerged is like a lot of people who actually really enjoyed season one. And also a lot of people who watched it subsequently, you didn't watch it initially because they heard all this bad stuff about it and then watched it subsequently and are excited for season two. Yeah. It feels,
I mean, and it was a huge, like, just objectively by the numbers, a huge hit for Amazon. Yeah. Like, there was this narrative that it was, like, a failure of some kind, and that's just simply not the case. It maybe not wasn't, like...
as it wasn't like as big as maybe they were hoping it to be, or it didn't like sweep the Emmys the way they hoped it would or whatever. Like, I'm sure that there are metrics by which it didn't like hit the absolute top of the marks that Amazon was hoping, but it was a very, actually very popular show. Our pods were really popular about it. That's how we kind of know is like a lot of people were listening to us talk about it and really, really engaging in it. And so I, I've said this before, I don't need to belabor, but like,
When we covered season one alongside House of Dragons season one, which was still fairly new-ish into our podcasting partnership, I just felt locked in with you on those two worlds together.
those and just sort of like the routine of those weeks where it was like talk the throne, house of dragon, deep dive, rings of power, deep dive back to talk. Like it was just sort of like, it just sort of went, it was a lot of work, but it was a lot of fun. And like, I felt like I, I, a huge Tolkien fan felt like I learned so much more about Tolkien lore because of
Right.
they are lifting language where they can, or certainly digging into various like themes. Like we, you know, so we would talk about like Tolkien and trees or Tolkien, the concept of the creator, or like, you know, like all this sort of stuff like that, that like just really helped me enhance my own, uh, Tolkien knowledge. And I found that so fun and valuable and,
I'm excited to do it again. Like, really genuinely excited. Same. I can't wait. Obviously, we'll, you know, because we are mere days away from doing a primer pod, we'll talk about more of the specifics of the story, like, in that pod. But in terms of, like, the vibes, I... Immaculate. You stated it perfectly. I can't wait. The...
I've loved all three of the trailers. The Comic-Con one, the middle of the three trailers, because they've all been different. We had the teaser, which we actually did a breakdown pod on. Then we got that really meaty Comic-Con trailer. And then the more recent trailer, just this week when you're listening to it, when you're listening to this pod last week, was more of the battle action trailer. Yeah. But hearing in, I think it was the middle trailer. I can't remember. But the Endurance, like,
at this moment the great tale of our age is being written i love i love the kind of like meta celebration of that like why can't this be one of our great shared experiences over half a decade or however long it ends up running i mean it's been two years since season one so maybe more like a decade but it's just it has been joyous to yeah be back in middle earth and
In this stunning, in a number of respects, visually astonishing, visually stunning, thematically so rich. And like, as we, as we talked about a lot in season one, just the language and flow of the show was beautiful. And I,
I think to your point about separate that maybe like initial bad faith noise, not everybody watching the show liked it. And that's never the case with any show. Right. But for the people who did ultimately enjoy spending time in, in this, in this slice of middle earth, like one of the things that we talked about a lot was how you, as a fan, like for, for, for both of us as fans, um,
of the world, lovers of the world, lovers of Tolkien's work. Lovers. You just felt like you were in good hands because it was so clearly made by people who
love it too. And that's a really, that's a great feeling. That's a great feeling when you care about something and you want it to be good. And so to have that trust is very exciting. And then you get into like, okay, what are we, what did we love about season one that we're excited to return to? Like, I cannot wait to be back with, I'm sure this is top on tops of your list as well. Uh, my husband, daddy, I just can't wait. Not on my list, but I wrote on who fucks.
I wrote, Elrond, I missed him! Duran and Disa! What are the Harfoots doing? My darling Elrond. What are the Harfoots doing? More music! I don't want to rewrite history. There are certainly plot lines or episodes that we liked better than others in season one. I'm not saying it's a perfect season of television. I just think the experience of talking about it was very special. And I'm hopeful that we get to feel that
same. Do you know how many House of R in-jokes and bits, how much House of R canon traces back to the Rings of Power run? I was thinking about that as I dove into my rewatch. That was a really, really fun thing. And then we get, like, obviously we're moving forward in the timeline and the plot. We're getting the new performers who we love are joining the cast. It definitely looked from the most recent trailer like Kieran Hines, our guy, is playing Saruman.
He's playing a dark wizard, certainly. A dark wizard. They have not confirmed, but I just saw those eyebrows and I was like, okay. I think... I don't know why. I don't know why. Either this is not Gandalf and Sauron for legal reasons or...
I don't know why otherwise they would like hold that back from us. Do you know what I mean? I don't know. I don't quite know what's going on with the wizard stuff. Wizard stuff go. But they're also the two blue wizards that were in the east. And it's possible that they're like, we've decided that our two blue wizards are going to be Gandalf-esque and Saruman-esque. Like, you know, that makes a lot of sense to me. But anyway, Cure Nights is certainly playing a...
Shady-seeming wizard, and that's exciting. A dark wizard with robust eyebrows. I will also just say, again, we'll talk about more of the particulars next week, but let us not exit the hype meter without remarking upon the work that one of the patron saints of this podcast, Caleb Rimbaud, is doing in these trailers, experiencing a harrowing mental break.
I will just forever want to live in that shot of him just dumping rings into the fire, just looking like he has lost every inch of his mind. Amazing. And of course, when we got to here, you will give me the nine from a hot Sauron who fucks. I got a chill, like a full body chill. This is just going to be great. I can't wait. Sauron's.
Okay. What is he doing? I'm excited. Okay. Tom Bombadil. What time to be alive? They're doing barrel whites. Like, yeah. Get some interaction in the trailers. Delightful. Guys. Guys. Wonderful. Thrilled. Can't wait. Love you. Love Middle Earth. Delighted. Runners up. Yeah. Honorable mentions. Okay. So arcane.
I was sad to leave Arkane season two off my list, mostly because I don't want Jomie to yell at me, but also because I really enjoyed season one. That's coming this November on Netflix. And on the animation front, your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man is also coming in November on Disney Plus. I'm really looking forward to that. That was a tough one to keep off my list.
this is like a real keep hope alive situation. The Crow movie. I have no reason to expect the Crow movie will be good. They have been trying to remake this movie for a gajillion years. But what if it is? What if it's great? It's a question worth asking, I think. And the Crow is definitely ringer burst material. And then Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, which I think is also ringer burst material. And again, like
I don't know. I'm pretty skeptical of its existence in the first place, but what if it's great? I don't know. It might be, you might have a great time with it. So yeah, those are my sort of almost maybe made it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Those were my, the two that I was like, I wish I'd gotten these on the list where arcane and friendly neighborhood, Spider-Man cup, just a rapid fire or a few other things. When this is not a comprehensive list of everything else that's coming, but a few other things that people might be like, Oh, you didn't mention this. The walking dead, Daryl. Sorry. Let me say it the right way. The walking dead.
colon, Daryl Dixon dash. I will just say, oh, you didn't mention by someone. I mean, Ben Lindbergh, who's listening to this, like, why didn't you mention Daryl? So this was my, the first Daryl season was my first Walking Dead experience in years. I returned to dip to toe back into the universe for that show. And I, it was, I liked it. I liked that Daryl season. I don't know what that means for the future. I am not ready to recommit in full, but I,
enjoyable season of television um on the ben limberg beat just quickly mention that there are a number of exciting video games coming out this fall that you'll be able to hear ben and co cover on button mash including star wars outlaws astrobot the ringer video game slack has been a buzzing about astrobot steve are there other video games that you want to shout out for fall hype
uh yeah there's a new uh warhammer 40k that looks pretty interesting and there's another one black myth wukong great stuff thanks to you of zelda oh yes finally get to play as zelda delightful delightful uh what only the titular role yeah okay yeah final season of what we do in the shadows
Oh, yeah. Love that show. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I'm sad that that's ending. I love that show. It's great. It's fantastic. Remember when you when we played that vampire game and you're like, I know that vampire. I watch a vampire show. Correct. So he's an energy vampire. I knew that one. Someday I'll get you to watch it with a vampire someday. I will. I plan to. It looks great. And it's important to you. And so one day, one day I will. You watch all of Doctor Who. I'm not. I don't.
Question your commitment to sparkle motion. I have a TARDIS. I know. There it is. You could probably already see that in the actual video, but you couldn't see it in this very slender preview video. So I had to turn the camera. Yeah. All right. Plenty of other stuff coming as well. And also, of course, we should always say.
will take us by surprise. Things that we were not anticipating releasing at all, things we did not know would be good and hadn't known to look forward to, will captivate our hearts and minds. And we look forward to talking about them with you in real time. And, you know, there's always more coming out than we can talk about, which is part of why...
ringer verse recommends exists now so we're always looking for new ways to engage with you uh this is honorable mention section god with the ringer verse recommends really just being this has ended up being about limburg here at the end thrilled for him and benny boy is that guy ben all right anything else from you joe guys anything else that you're like how could you not mention thing x tomb raider star trek lower decks season five lower decks lower decks thank you thank you arjuna yep
From the bottom of an echoey wind tunnel. Or did it do not know that he had to be on mic today? Yeah. Lower deck. Harley Quinn, Creature Commandos, Terminator Zero. Harley Quinn is a good show. It's great. Great one.
We did it. I think coverage on mint edition. We did it. Okay. Fall is going to be loaded. There you go. There you go. That's the takeaway. Can't wait to do a hype meter for winter and talk about Craven. Genuinely can't wait. Look forward to seeing you in a few months. That's a wrap on the fall. Not really fall. Fine print. Not really fall hype meter. Thank you as always. What if all this stuff is good? That would be amazing. That would be great for us. Yeah. Thank you to our hype Lords.
Steve Allman and John Richter for producing this episode. Arjuna Ramgopal for his additional production work on this episode and activating his mic at the very end there. And Jomia Deneron for his work on the social for this episode. We will see you next week for first, our Rings of Power season two primer. Then second for our Rings of Power season two premiere deep dive. That's going to be a meaty one.
And since it will already have happened. Yeah. Um, when, by the time people listen to this, yeah. Mal and I are seeing more of the rings musical this weekend in Chicago. We're very excited. So we'll be talking about that eventually on, on a pod. We have a plan to talk about that, but boy, do we, I cannot wait. Okay. Until then, remember every soul in middle earth is in peril. Will you abandon them? Don't do it. Don't abandon them. Catch up and then join us for the pods.