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Hello, people of Earth and Neil Diamond completists. I'm your host, Paul Livingston-Siegel, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Last Looks, where you get to voice your issues on, you guessed it, Jonathan Livingston-Siegel.
And I know you've got a lot of issues. Plus, Jason and I will just chat about reality TV and our favorite LA activities. Plus, I'm going to reveal next week's movie. And before we do any of that, let me just give a big shout out, a huge shout out to Mark Granger for that opening theme. Mark, I loved it. It's great. I love all these last look songs. They're great.
So much so that I thought that this group would be up to the challenge to create a brand new How Did This Get Made theme. It's not something that can just be done. It's got to be special. It's got to be unique. It's got to blow our fucking socks off. I guess knock would be the term, but these will be blown off. And you know what? We've gotten a few submissions. They're good.
but i don't know if they've got the goods jason and i will evaluate some of these songs on an upcoming last looks episode kind of steer our composers into a direction see how we're feeling about them but anyway i
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Avril's got that. You get the ticket. We'll see you at the show. I want you with a costume on. I want you coming with a second opinion. I want you with a notebook full of questions about whatever movie we're picking because you, the audience, are a giant part of the show and every show is completely different. Anyway, before we dive into corrections and omissions, I want to give some love to the second opinion singers because, like I just mentioned,
I want you to come with a second opinion song, right? And I'm consistently blown away by the level, the quality of the songs that we get at these live shows. And...
At the Jonathan Livingston Sequel Show, we were blown away by these songs, and we felt like we had to share a few more of our favorite songs with you. So take a listen to these bangers from the Beacon Theater, and we'll be right back with Corrections and Omissions. Now it's time for Second Opinions!
I have often streamed tons of airborne flicks. Con Air and Sky Captain, not to mention Birdemic. Then I met this gull, Johnny Livingston. And like Top Gun's Maverick, I had just felt the need for speed.
Wow. Name? David Hen Siegel. Thank you. Incredible!
Wow. Everyone has been incredible. Come on down. Here we go. I feel like I didn't pick this many people, but here we go. Oh, motherfuckers are just lining up. They're like, me, Nick? All right, now it's time for second upping. I'm sailing away. Fuck this flock and the elders anyway.
200 miles per hour. Man, I'm pretty cool. Son of gall power. Okay, I'm a weirdo. Flying on my own. Jacob's Ladder. Heaven or hell. Maybe me on marine bone. Well, they said, outcast am I. Unclean.
Yeah!
Amazing crowd work, amazing song. What's your name? My name is Bianca Siegel. Yeah, Bianca Siegel. Next one up. Fantastic. Wow, these are all Stone Cold bangers. Here we go. And now it's time for Second Opinions. Watch how fast this eagle flies. I'm a freak, I will be ostracized. Your bird is now an outcast in his clan.
You'll be forced to watch me fly to distant lands Oh, I'm just a gull Oh, I'm just a gull You're forced to watch me For the next 90 minutes of your life Oh, I'm just a gull Did you like this movie? Well, fuck you, it had no animal rights Oh
I wanna fuck Maureen. Oh, I wanna fuck Maureen. Amazing. Your name? Neil. Thank you, Neil. Great job, Neil. Taking us home. Taking us into the... Every one of these has been better than the show. Amazing. And you didn't want us to do this movie.
And you guys are all online being like, I hate second opinion songs. I wish she would do a Jersey show. Why do they do second opinion songs? I would have gone to Boston if I knew. And now it's time for second opinions. Tell me something, Bert. Did you know this movie was absurd? Or did you love it when Jonathan kept whispering?
I log on to Amazon. Second opinion, Jonathan Livingston. I'm gonna rate it five stars. Crash through the surface with single Jesus. He's faster than the speed of sound in the outcasts.
In the Outcasts, we're part of the Outcasts now. Fantastic! Wow. Great. Wow. What's your name? Matthew John Siegel. Oh, MJS, everybody! Wow.
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Welcome back! Last week we talked at length about Jonathan Livingston Siegel, a movie that Discord user Grayist Hound thinks could have had the tagline, Jonathan Livingston Siegel, put it on for your cat when they're home alone. You know what? Honestly, I think a cat might be bored by this movie. Anyway, we had questions about this movie and we talked about it for a very long time, but we realized that we might have missed a few things. So here is your chance
to either set us straight, ask about something that we didn't even consider, or even fact-check us if you must. It is now time for Corrections and Omissions. Corrections and Omissions
Thank you, Bionic Limbs, for that great theme song. Let's go to the Discord. BML, a purported bird expert who attended the live show, writes in with some sequel insights.
though the goal filmed in the snow scene was unnaturally placed their goals in general are not deterred by snow or cold weather with some living in the arctic and antarctic climates we think of birds as flying south for the winter because of the cold but in reality most birds are extremely cold tolerant and actually migrate because of the seasonal changes in food supply so to be clear yes
That gull on the Snowy Mountain definitely died, but from starvation, not from hypothermia. By the way, that should be the ASPCA warning at the end of this film.
Also, BML continues with a few other Siegel inaccuracies. There is footage of distant goals doing loop-de-loops and barrel rolls. However, goals do not naturally perform these maneuvers. This must have been shot using radio-controlled models, presumably built by Art Scholl, credited in the film for aerobatic aircraft. And in addition, goals do not dive below the water surface like gannets or boobies.
That sequence appeared to use a model for the aerial dive as well, and very upsettingly cut to a gull forced underwater. Yeah, this movie was tough to watch, BML, but I appreciate that you brought some seagull truth to us.
Um, Anna Barrington Siegel, Esquire writes, why is there so little human presence in this movie? We see a landfill, which indicates that humans are around and impacting their world. I'm surprised that human activity doesn't factor in at all to the Siegel's lifestyle or philosophy. But then again, I don't factor Siegel's into mine. Maybe I should. Anna Barrington Siegel says,
I gotta love that. I gotta love that you checked yourself. Jane Segal writes, I love this by the way, "Author Richard Bach," not this question, which I might love, I just love that everyone has Segalized their name, "Author Richard Bach couldn't have been too unhappy with the portrayal of Seagulls in the film adaptation because he married the gull wrangler extraordinaire Leslie Parrish after meeting during the making of the film."
Now, here's a note from Scott. Scott comes in and goes, well, Leslie Parrish is the film's associate producer that director Hal Bartlett inexplicably demoted to researcher in the final credits. Richard and Leslie married in 1981, but divorced in 1999. So maybe, honestly, he did it just to prank her. I think that that's what Scott's trying to prove. I mean, 81 to 99, not a bad run. Not a bad run at all. Let's go to the phones.
Colin Siegel, what do you got? Hey Paul, this is Colin from Chicago and I just finished listening to the Jonathan Livingston Siegel episode and I thought I'd give you some more information on the film that I got here from the book The 50 Worst Films of All Time and How They Got That Way. It's a book published in 1978 so it's a little out of date but it does have an entire chapter devoted to Jonathan Livingston Siegel and
And one thing it says here, it says, "Intending to cash in on the anticipated Seagull bandwagon, several manufacturers created new products relating to the film. These articles all bore the name and official insignia of the famed Seagull. The equipment included leisure footwear, bedsheets,
autographed pillows, blankets, ready-made draperies, tablecloths, T-shirts, sweatshirts, tank tops, iron-on patches, handcrafted copper enamel pins, handcrafted yarn, punch needle rug kits, stuffed toys, greeting cards, plaques, posters, keychains, puzzles, and a game devised by Mattel. I don't know how to play that game. Anyway, thanks for everything. Love the show. Bye. What?
Are you telling me that I can find a Jonathan Livingston Seagull game on eBay? People, I need... All right, I'm on eBay. I'm going to be on eBay right now. And autograph pillows. Or pillows. By who? Who's a... Who? Richard Bach? A seagull? I mean, I once went to a Star Trek convention and a dog from Voyager did sign autographs. They put his paw in ink. I don't know if that was, again, a humane thing to do, but wow.
Colin, I need pics. I need pics.
All right, what do we got? We got Jackie Siegel. This is endlessly entertaining to me. Hi, this is Jackie from Boston, and I think I like Jonathan Livingston Siegel. And I like it because I saw it as a religious allegory and like a hero's journey, not of Jesus Christ, but of Siddhartha Gautama, who was the first Buddha. Now, both of them are trying to escape the suffering of their respective worlds, Siddhartha through achieving enlightenment, and Jonathan through achieving perfect speed.
During this, Jonathan finds that constantly trying to go faster is only bringing him more suffering and pain and only brings more suffering into the world. Both of them have to leave their societies as a consequence of this. So Siddhartha has to leave or chooses to leave voluntarily. And Jonathan is kicked out of, I guess, his evil kingdom.
Both of them go into the wilderness, and through that they experience various forms of violence and peace in the world. And Jonathan ultimately achieves his enlightenment through his supernatural experiences with Chang, who says, Perfect speed is not going faster, but already being there. Essentially telling him that constantly trying to go faster is actually preventing him from attaining enlightenment. And when Jonathan understands this, he achieves enlightenment and can fly with perfect speed,
Jonathan is at the end of his hero's journey. Like Siddhartha, having achieved enlightenment, Jonathan understands that his role is not to stay in seagull nirvana, like the other seagulls who can fly with perfect speed, but rather to return to Earth so that he can teach other seagulls how to achieve perfect speed as well. Anyway, yeah, Jonathan Livingston's seagull is Bird Buddha. Enlightenment is perfect speed.
Yes, you are completely correct. Jonathan is Buddha and his enlightenment is perfect speed. I think you're right. I think that that's why we were having trouble kind of wrestling with the theme. It is about a state of mind, a Zen state of mind. Well, you said it. I'm not going to correct you. You're right. Jackie, you're right. What do I have to say? Add to it? I don't need to mansplain it. All right. Next up, we have Morgan Siegel, the
the book expert from the episode. She was fantastic. So Morgan, what else do you got to tell us? Hey Paul, this is Morgan from the New York Jonathan Livingston Seagull show. And I just had a point of clarification on a question that I had gotten from you all about the movie versus the book. So you had asked if the Seagulls had gone to outer space in the movie. Then I said, no. And the,
The issue is in the movie, you see them flying through outer space. That definitely did not happen in the book. In the book, what happens is Jonathan and his mentor just appear on what allegedly may be another planet with multiple suns. So there's no travel through space per se. They just arrived. That is all. Thank you.
Whoa. Thank you for calling again. Another person checking themselves, not going out there. You did your best. We appreciated you out there. And I love that you called in to say, you know what? I got it wrong. And that honestly is all that we're responsible for. We make a mistake. We come back in. We tell the truth. And you know what? You're a-okay. You already were a-okay. Now you're a-okay plus. Back to the Discord. Hobobot writes...
I might have missed it, but did anyone guess as to why Jonathan is so intent on 62 miles per hour specifically? I think the writers converted units for an American audience since 100 kilometers per hour equals 62 miles per hour and 100 is a nice round number, which brings up a lot more questions about
Like, why was Jonathan originally using the metric system? Why didn't they just say 100 miles per hour? Why were kilometers involved at all since the writer is American? You know what, Hobobot? I think I do have an answer for this because the pilot was an aviator. And I believe that kilometers is how you would calculate speed as a aviator.
Again, it's a good guess. I'm not sure. I don't do one. I'm not one of those. I'm not one of those people who have a jet private airplane flying around. That's not up. I leave that to the pilots. I don't need to be that as a hobby. I don't like I don't like anyone who has a hobby of flying a plane. Okay.
Grumble Bottom writes, oh, Grumble Bottom, you broke the seagull thing. Okay, Grumble Bottom writes, re-flight speed, no damn gull is going 60 miles per hour. Gear falcons can hit 60 miles per hour on a straight flight. Peregrine falcons, the fastest animal on the planet, can hit 240 miles per hour during a power dive, but only go about 50 during a straight flight. Gulls.
even the bigger faster ones like herring gulls go maybe around twenty miles per hour they are nimble fliers but they are not fast boom grumble bottom hitting it hard no one researched birds it was an allegory
Johnny Unusual writes,
Johnny Unusual, yeah. I mean, we see that all the time. And I think it was a very, like, I think if we're going to this idea of like Zen and Buddhism, and I think that, of course, of course it was. Of course.
BML, of course, chimes in with one more thing here. It's funny that hummingbirds are the only type of bird that June likes. Given her disdain for the squabbling and fighting of gulls, she might be dismayed to learn that hummingbirds are among the most aggressive cutthroat creatures in the animal kingdom. The males use their bills to stab other males and to fence gulls.
They parry like they're sword fighters, sometimes knocking birds off a perch. Some hummingbirds even have hooked beaks with serrations that look like shark's teeth that can be used to tear out other birds' feathers.
Whoa, BML, kind of coming hard at the hummingbirds. I also want to add, like gulls, pigeons often get a bad rap as well. And like gulls, they are in fact highly skilled flyers whose ubiquitous presence is a testament to their evolutionary success. So, as bird expert Dr. Alan Grant says in Jurassic Park...
Try to show a little respect. And you know what? I'm going to show you some respect here, BML, for bringing the heat with your bird facts. You are our winner this week for corrections and omissions. And you get this amazing song from Joel Terry. Hit it.
When everybody else all loses You don't get a medal to prove it But you don't need no accolades You can sit back and say I win tonight on Paul's mini-episode I win tonight on Paul's teeny tiny little mini-episode
Thank you, Joel Terry, for that song. Remember, if you want to submit an alt movie tagline or chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit up the Discord at discord.gg slash HDTGM or call us at 619-Paul-Ask. Stick around. Jason Manzoukas will join me after the break to chat about reality TV, our favorite LA activities, and music that we are currently loving. I'll be right back.
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if not one of our first Largo episodes. Every Monday, a brand new old episode. Can that be possible? Is it an oxymoron? Maybe it is. Anyway, don't worry about that because now it is time for Jason and I to open up the helpline and answer some listener questions. This week's theme comes to us from Lazy Bones. Play us in. Can you feel like a ball? Need some wise words from a podcast. Well, good night. That's six o'clock at night. Call out the world.
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It's a good-looking shirt. All right, we'll get that. For good-looking parents. We love those parents. So if you're an uggo parent out there, don't wear this shirt. Don't wear it. Don't wear it. All right, let's go to the phones. Scott, what do we got? Hey, Paul and Jason. This is Jacob from New York. I've been listening for quite a few years, and recently I've heard y'all mention Survivor on the podcast a few times, so I thought I'd finally call in and say hi. I actually competed on a season of Survivor
A couple years ago, it went really badly, like really badly. But I'm always happy to answer any questions you might have about the show. Anyways, I actually work in casting and development now for reality shows in particular. So my question for you guys is if either of you were to host an unscripted series, what kind of show would you want it to be?
I know you both love Alone. Maybe you go survival-centric, maybe like a classic pyramid kind of trivia show or maybe celebrity stuff like Match Game. I'm just curious. And let me know. I'll get started on the pitch right away. Have a good one, you know. Oh, my God. Wow. So, Paul, I'm not a survivor person, but do you recognize this person? Do you know who it is? I would...
I would be very honest and say I don't recognize him, but that's because we haven't watched all the seasons yet. We have just been digging in. So we've watched a lot. I have not seen a season, but now I'm excited to maybe move this up to the top. Wow. A survivor contestant is a fan of the show. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. All right. So this is a good question. Have you ever had any interest in hosting like a reality show type of thing? I have one idea that they could never make.
that I've always been behind. Okay, go. What's that? I would love to do a Survivor-style show or Survivor meets American Ninja Warrior, but the premise would be diehard. One person with a paintball gun having to get through a building using...
their wits to escape. Like there needed to be like, there needs to be challenges. And, but I would, I think hand to hand fighting would be part of it. I also believe that paintball guns would be part of it. Like I think it could do a bunch of different elements of it and they'd have to be like some puzzles to solve and things like that. But I've always thought that I would love to see how somebody could figure out a... I love that. That's a great, that's a great, that's a great pitch. I, so much so that I hesitate to,
to allow you to put it in the episode. Like you should, you should, you should keep that. I mean, no, no, I don't know. I don't know if you should. It's, it's, it's a great idea. I do agree with you. It's a difficult to execute idea. It's a show that feels to me like lawsuits would be rolling in. I think what's the thing is like the thing about American Ninja Warrior is what you're showcasing is the, how adept people are at the challenge and the skills, uh,
being put in front of, they need to execute the course rather, the obstacle course. Versus things like Survivor or these other shows are personality based.
These are really stories of these people. The challenges are there and they are kind of hiccups and hurdles in the road, but really it is just to force everybody to be more themselves or to dig in, whatever all the interpersonal drama is, I feel like for a lot of those shows. A hundred percent. I think the thing I really found about Survivor that I love is when they do the merge, when the tribes merge, that's when you start to really...
fall in love with these characters because it is it's so many characters you're getting fun moments and you're you're making opinions but when they're all in there and you really get to see how they're working uh that's what i like and that to me is alone like you really start to see a person's personality they for a while um after alone they were doing like these some guy was like talking to the contestants and doing like wrap-ups and what did you think and this and that and i was like oh i'd like to do that
You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't like, I don't want to go out and like host a, you know, survivor type show. I don't want to go out, but there is something about having like the, the conversation you and I have, you and I had with Wonia. Yes. Um, uh, it was great. You know, I really enjoyed that anyway. Um,
I can't really think of anything that I have that I would like to do, you know, my own idea or something like that. But I will say this gets to a little bit of something I've been watching and you can decide and tell me whether we should include this or not. But something I've been watching a bunch of lately on specifically on YouTube, frankly, is and I would love to do it is. And I'm curious if you what your opinion is of this show. I think I feel like maybe you have one is Taskmaster.
Oh, yeah. I mean, look, I love that. That's a competition reality show, and it's fucking hilarious. I love it. Boy, the show is a fucking blast. And there are former friend of the pod, I mean, not former friend of the pod, but friend of the pod, former guest Aisling B's on a season, Nish Kumar's on a season. Like, there's great people, James Acaster, who we've talked about before, and his famous podcast that I believe we called Last Meal, but I believe is called Off Menu.
but I'm going to continue to call it Last Meal and ask that James and the rest of the guys on the podcast, please change the name. Please change the name of the podcast and what it's about to better suit what we talked about before. Yeah, so we don't look like idiots. Don't make us look like stupid people. Make your show what we describe. Thank you. I love... I mean, I love that show, and I still get tweets about it, but I love Taskmaster as it's really...
I don't know. It's a smart, smart show. And that's the kind of stuff that I really like. And it's a funny show. Yes. We created a show for Unspooled, which was like a pop culture show that had similar tasks. It was all like, it was basically creating comedy bits. And, you know, I like that, like where it's like,
It's more creative than a right or wrong answer or just a task. It's fun. And people are encouraged to break the rules and solve the puzzle in ways that are comedically rewarding rather than the right way to do a thing. It's all it is. It is challenges given by comedians to a panel of comedians. And it's almost always absurdly like failure based and hilarious.
And it, to me, what I am excited about, and you just reminded me about this is I think I need to, uh, start showing my son's junior taskmaster. Didn't know it existed. A spinoff, right? Which, so it's not kids nine to 11 are on this one. Um, that's a great, uh, that's yeah. And,
And, yeah, so I need to... I have to figure that out. I got to figure out how I can get this for my kids because I think that they would go bananas for it. But, yeah, I like that too. I will say, if you want to watch it, if you want to check it out, I would just for strike sake direct you to the YouTube channel. Great. It has quite a lot of long clips, individual tasks, and whole episodes for that matter. So it's all there. All right. Or it's a lot of it. Yeah, and I feel like
I don't understand why the UK has embraced...
funny panel shows. And America seems to always be behind on that. You know, they've had them forever. Like that's like, those are staples of British, you know, night television is chat shows and panel shows. And we just simply don't have it here. We don't have those comedy forward game shows, panel shows, chat shows. Um, they, we had them at certain, um,
Oh, like in the past. Yeah, or like we did like bad versions of them, you know, and I feel like there is, I don't know, there is like something about. I have a theory, but you go ahead. No, no, go ahead. There's something uniquely American about needing to win.
And so I feel like the American versions of those shows are actually too focused on the winning. And the British shows are really just focused on goofing around and bullshitting and roasting each other and busting balls and being clever and funny in a way that there is something that is uniquely American about like, well, I want to win. I got to... Right. I'm going to contest that point because I want to win. You know what I mean? Well, that to me feels like...
I think you hit a nail on the head. I think that people believe that the show doesn't feel complete until someone has won or lost. Yes. Until there is a clear winner who is the best. And that really is a bummer because to me it's like, aren't we just laughing at this? This is what we want to see, right? I mean, come on.
It's the show's really funny. I've been really I've been trying to while we're on strike, while we're you know, we're not talking about stuff here. You know, we're not talking about this stuff we're involved in or the other stuff that's around. I'm like, you know, I'm trying to like watch stuff that is not even part of those silos. I know. I love that. I've been I mean, I've been trying to do similar stuff and just try to open my mind, see different things. And, you know, by the way, if you like Taskmaster, there's like two podcasts to.
Oh, I didn't know that. Like official pod, like their podcast. Yes. Taskmaster, the podcast, and then Taskmaster, the people's podcast. Nice. So yeah, there we go. Um, and so they basically, people can call up and disagree with what they've seen on the show. Uh,
I love it. But that, no, that kind of stuff is, I really enjoy like... And before everybody freaks out, we are well aware that there was an American version of Taskmaster. But that doesn't count. We're not talking about that. It didn't succeed. So we, but we know. But that's the whole thing. It's like, it didn't succeed because I feel like when things make the switch...
they wreck it. Like something about it is wrecked. Like I love this. Well, there's another, uh, British show called imposters. And I, I've talked about my love of that show imposters. Um, and then America did it and it was a complete, I just felt it was like, just not fun. Oh, okay. I've never even heard of this. Oh, okay. Got it. Jason get on imposters is another BBC show, a BBC show that no one thought was going to be good. And, uh,
uh and it and it's great got it okay yeah yeah they just they really have a they have a set of shows that occupy a space that we don't appear to be interested in culturally those type of shows you know i mean we're not we love stand-up comedy yet we love podcasts it has the same elements of all the things that we gravitate towards agree as a culture but like when it's
positioned as like a talk show chat show like they even do a funny news show i was watching when i was in the uk like a couple months ago it was hilarious it was great it was like oh it's like they're talking about news they're making up news people are goofing on news yeah and it's like it kind of feels to me like what we did with best week ever which interesting shockingly somebody just reached out to me to tell me it was the 20th anniversary of the premiere of that show yeah
I was like, wow. Holy shit. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I mean, I can't even believe it. But that kind of idea, like, oh, we're just talking about funny. These are funny people talking about stuff. And even with that, the big switch that they made was they eventually switched it to a one-person host.
And Paul F. Tompkins, one of the funniest, I thought he killed on that show. But I think one of the reasons why the ratings dropped had nothing to do with Paul F. It just had to do with people liked Tompkins.
multiple people chatting. Just, yes, exactly. And I think that show, I think the format change almost would have been better served by the group all being together to talk about this stuff. Right. You know what I mean? Rather than winnowing it down to a single voice, to instead have these five voices, but instead of having them each individually, they're
doing their bits, have them collectively as a group just bullshitting around and the same jokes, the same feeding off of each other. People would enjoy that. It's so much more fun. I mean, that's what we... That's what Corden was trying to do with his show by basically doing Graham Norton's show. Yeah. And I still think that people respond to it in a weird way. I always remember, I think back to Jimmy Kimmel when he first started doing...
I used to love his monologues because they were like, it was like talk soup.
It was just very like, oh, here's a funny clip. Here's a thing. Here's a this. You know, it wasn't a traditional mold. And he's always very funny. And I feel like, but then you get forced into these patterns. No, no, no. Every talk show needs a monologue and it needs to go. No, it's got to look like this. And it has to feel like, like as if the architecture of the show is what people want, not the tone and personality of the host. Yeah. You know?
I know. It's such an interesting – it is interesting, but I'm glad that we have a lot of great British shows to kind of catch up on. All right. So let's hear one more call. Let's do it. Hi, Jason and Paul. This is Morgan calling from Brooklyn. So this October, I'll be taking myself on a solo trip to L.A. to celebrate my birthday. I've been several times before, so I don't feel like I need to jam-pack my schedule or hit all the big sites.
And I really value getting recommendations from people that live in the cities I'm visiting. I'm really open to anything, but I love live music, comedy, all types of food, record and book shopping. So my question for you both is, if you were to think about your perfect long weekend in L.A., what would be on the agenda as
As a side note, last episode you had a question from Kaylin, who is also from Brooklyn, and having her post-breakup New England summer. I had a very similar post-breakup New Jersey summer. So, Kaylin, if you are looking for a fellow newly single friend when you get back to Brooklyn, maybe the folks at How Did This Get Me could put us in touch. Thank you, guys. Take care. Wow. Oh, my God. Wow. Please, please can we make this happen. That is very – like, again, I love our fans.
What a great message. I hope that Caitlin and Morgan do link up and have wonderful stories to call in with and tell us. Meet up on the Discord because that's a safe way to do it. And you can go there. And that is Caitlin. By the way, I just want to jump back for one second. We were talking about Taskmaster. I just wanted everyone to know that Taskmaster has their own streaming service. So you can give them the money right to them. Oh. Their own. They literally have their own. You can get everything online.
And international versions also on there as well. So just a good way to throw money out of not to streamers. Yeah, if you're looking, maybe it would be a good idea right now to say maybe stop some of your subscriptions to streamers that might not be putting stuff out that you want right now and maybe give it elsewhere. $5.99 a month. Okay, so...
Question is this looking for travel recommendations. Is that what we're hearing? I think it's L.A. specific travel record a long weekend. And if you had a long weekend in L.A. and it wasn't to service tourism type stuff or, you know, what would you want to be doing? I mean, for me, I'm going to definitely make sure that I'm hitting a great destination.
sushi spot oh yeah what do you got I'm gonna look here give me give me one second to find you like a couple of a couple why don't I throw a couple of things out because this gives me a little bit of an opportunity to shout out a few of the things that are on my great my list of things because I mean just because that Morgan mentioned record stores I will of course recommend amoeba records of course which as well go ahead version now right it's not really it's moved it's moved it's still amoeba it's just moved to a different location so
So it's still right there in Hollywood. You know, big, incredible record store. Another one of the... You know, if you're looking for things to watch right now, Amoeba has a...
a show on their YouTube channel called what's in my bag where artists come on and go through the store and pick out records and DVDs and all sorts of stuff. And then they talk about it for 10 or 15 minutes, all the selections they made and, and what they like about them. And I've done one, they've done comedians, Matt Berry did one, and then all sorts of bands have done them recently. Um, that band,
Mama did one, Always did one, Tennis did one recently. There's been a bunch that are terrific, absolutely worth watching. The What's in My Bag series from...
Amoeba Records. And I will also throw out Merge Records, the record company that Superchunk started, Mac and Laura from Superchunk. And they put out the new Pornographers and Destroyer and all sorts of great bands. They also have now
YouTube show where people go through their library and pull records that are meaningful and talk about them. And that's pretty great as well. So I love that. I also love how they do that for the criterion closet too. It's great when people can, that's a great one. And there's an, in that respect, Paul, there is a French video store called cone beanie. Ooh,
I don't know. K-O-N-B-I-N-I. They have a YouTube channel where they do similar to the Criterion like closet video. It'll just but it'll be like Wes Anderson walking through this one of the last video stores left in Paris. And he picks out for 40 minutes. He picks out, you know, two dozen movies and talks about them. It's fantastic. I love that.
All right. Well, speaking of movies, I'm going to hit two good movie spots for a long weekend in L.A., depending on when you're here. One is if you're here, you know, even all the way through October. Sinespia is amazing. It's an outdoor movie experience in a cemetery. It's it's a big fucking fun night out. People get dressed up. They picnic and you're in a cemetery watching great movies and and people really go all out.
to be there. And if that's not, you also don't have to, no, you can also just go, you don't have to dress up. If you want to just go and watch whatever movie they're showing, you can do that. It's a blast. And they normally have like special guests. It's fun things. The other thing, if you don't, if that's too much is check out video, which is a video store, a non not for profit video store. The last video store in LA, ultimately that has a collection of VHSs and DVDs that you'll never find anywhere. And a big,
beautiful, beautiful new theater that is playing so many great movies. It's hard to keep up. I actually was talking to them the other day. I was like, I think I'm going to do an Elaine May thing with them where like every first Monday of month, it's going to be like a Elaine May movie. So like for four months, do a little thing like that. Mikey and Nikki. Mikey and Nikki. A New Leaf. A New Leaf.
Heartbreak Kid, Ishtar, do them all. I think that's something to get. There's five? What is there, five of them? Yeah, four or five. Yeah, that's it. But if you do that, you should also link all of the blank check episodes that they did about all those movies. I just lived that. Oh, it's so great. So good. I'll throw out a couple of other, because Morgan mentioned bookstores, so I'll throw out...
For comics and graphic novels and so forth, Secret Headquarters, which is now located in Atwater Village. New location. It's great. Yep. Skyline Books on... Is it Skyline or Skylight? Skylight. I'm so sorry. You're right. Skylight Books on Vermont is a great independent bookstore that's worth checking out. As well as the last bookstore downtown, giant, like, like, uh...
crazy old school like it's in downtown la it's just a multi-level space just packed to the gills with books this is a cool spot to be in i'm trying to think of like uh oh and like you know you mentioned comedy so of course check out the largo schedule check out the um the elysian theater in frog town dynasty typewriter in i think is it in koreatown where's dynasty uh
Yeah, Koreatown. That makes sense. I'll give out those sushi places too. The place that I really love, and I couldn't remember the exact name of it, Gozmart. Gozmart is in a strip mall in Canoga Park, and it's a little far to get to, but it truly is...
The best sushi I've ever had. There's no physical menu there. Okay. And you just go and get what they're going to give you. And there's a new place in Atwater Village that June just went to called Morihiro. Morihiro. M-O-R-I-H-I-R-O. That's apparently fantastic. But that's a little bit more of a upscale, a full Japanese dining experience. Like Gozmart is like...
sushi great extreme love it okay oh that sounds awesome um i don't know i'm trying to think of other like there's i mean there's a million music venues i tend to go to the smaller ones like shows that are playing at like zebulon or you know some some more we saw mannequin pussy because that place is great too or maybe uh is it the ballroom mannequin is it like uh
Oh, Terragram. It was the Terragram. Yes, I like Terragram. That's a great room. That's a great, that's a beautiful room. Sounds great. Terragram, Zebulon. I'm trying to think. Oh, there's a website. There's a thing. I think it's called OhMyRockness.com.
is the website and you can select LA. They do it for a couple of different cities and it aggregates all the concerts that are happening in that town, including like, you know, how did this get made at Largo will be listed. But, you know, the rest of it is comedy. Anything that's a venue is,
has, is on this, it's aggregated onto this one website. So it's pretty good. I like that. Also, if you're in town on a weekend, long weekend, we're talking about the Smorgasburg, which is in downtown LA. Just, it's a vendor specific, awesome, you know, food, everything. It's great. It's just a full, it's just...
it's just a fun way to hang out in downtown LA. You get a little taste of a lot of different places. And then depending on what, what weekend of the month you're here, if it happens to fall on the weekend, when the Rose bowl flea market is happening out at the Rose bowl on a Sunday, you're not going to get a better Sunday afternoon than getting a coffee and wandering around a gigantic flea market for hours. I mean, that,
Wonderful. That's such a good. And I'm going to say this again, as someone who's been really enjoying this, if you're here during the soccer season, going to see the women's soccer league out here. It's amazing.
That stadium is, uh, fantastic. It's LAFC is the, uh, the male, uh, version and angel city is the women's soccer team. And I, I've been to both. I love them both. I have to say that I haven't been, Oh, angel city games are the most fun. If you're going sometime, I'll go. Oh, you will love it. It's really, really fun. As a matter of fact, messy was just in town. Uh,
Oh, cool. And he just played this weekend. But Angel City, they play in this stadium here. The stadium is just beautiful. It's just outside in LA, right by the museums and stuff like that. Ooh, that sounds great. Yeah, I love it.
I'm trying to think of anything else. And I don't know if this is a spoiler, but we have Messi on next week's episode of the show, right? Yeah, he's going to be talking about, it's so weird. He just really, I want to talk about the new Saw movie. We don't really do new movies, but he's like, I want just, he's really held his spot. He called up. Messi is a huge How Did This Get Made fan.
Oh, my God. You know that whenever he scores a goal, he screams Geostorm. Yes. By the way, if you are a professional athlete, professional athlete, and you listen to this podcast, get in touch.
Get into it. We need to know what you're up to. And when you score a goal or get a home run in your sport, we need you to start shouting, how did this get made catchphrases? I'm down with that. I mean, you know, it was... People are screaming baba booey at golf games. But I don't want that. I don't want people to... No, no, I don't want it either. I don't want you to be in the crowd.
No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly. I want it to be the person themselves. Yes, exactly. Like when the U.S. opens on like the when they win, different players have like a little thing that they do. And I feel like, you know, that'd be perfect. You know, you have a whole year to come up with the next thing you
Can you imagine if you are an athlete and you're like and and and every time you score or do the do whatever is impactful in your sport and you just started screaming Geostorm big, loud and long. And then the audience, the live stadium started doing it as well. Oh, come on. Or if you got a whole stadium of thirty five thousand people to just start screaming, fuck the moon, fuck the moon.
Fuck the moon would be the best thing to be yelling out loud. I love that pin. We made that pin. Okay, Jason, I feel like we gave her a bunch of great things to do in LA. I think so. I think those are some pretty good recommendations, especially if you are... Those are all local recommendations.
Yes. That's not like, oh, come and see the Hollywood sign. So there's a lot to do, but I hope this gave you a good enough start. Can I just shout out a few things, if you don't mind, Paul? Yeah. One of the last times we talked about this, we were talking about... You had asked me specifically, I think, how do you find new music or about finding new music or so forth. And we were talking about some stuff. And I mentioned how...
how much record stores were so integral and impactful to me for finding new music and getting turned on to new stuff. And specifically, I mentioned Aquarius Records in San Francisco, iconic record store, RIP. And I asked when the documentary called It Came From Aquarius is coming out. I got an answer and the producers sent me a link to watch the movie. So I have watched the documentary. It was incredible. Yeah.
It made me so deeply nostalgic and so kind of melancholy for the end of this kind of, you know, I even wrote stuff down from watching it because there was an element to it, which I was like, exactly what you and I were talking about.
is what the documentary is so much about. It's about creating community around music, around all of this excitement for discovery. Not just, hey, here's the new new pornographer's record, but hey, you just walked through the door. Do you want a record that is just Neil Hamburger making prank phone calls? Or do you want a four CD box set that is just
shortwave radio broadcasts from the 50s. Like, how can I give you weirder stuff? Anyway, there's a couple of great quotes in it. One of the guys says, it felt like a tourist attraction for weirdos.
And I was like, yes, that's what it was like. And somebody else in it says, it's a maniac store. And that to me, I was like, that's exciting. When you walk in someplace and you know, an amoeba gets at this, it's just much bigger. What's in there is not just the records you know about, but a tremendous amount of stuff you have no idea. And it's just waiting for you to discover. Well, the way that I...
The way that I always experience Amoeba was something that was so interesting. I was in San Francisco. I'd never been before. It was like my first kind of solo trip alone. I was walking around. I heard Amoeba was great. I went there and I found these VHS tapes of like celebrity bloopers and
And they were not put out by anybody specific. And it was CDs and videotapes. It just seemed like they were almost homemade. And it was just a collection of the weirdest shit. And I was like, oh my God, I have this. And I was so excited. It was like Orson Welles outtakes and...
You know, and just like, you know, William Shatner, like kind of yelling at somebody like it was it felt like I found this kindred spirit. It's like where I found like the unaired pilot of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Oh, you know, like, yeah, like that. Like it was like so fun. Yeah. And that's what these stores used to be like. And the fact that they're gone, the kind of place.
that is lampooned in a way or kind of, you know, made fun of a bit in High Fidelity.
When, you know, John Cusack's like, I'm about to sell five copies of the Beta Band 3 EPs just by playing one song. But there is an element of, like, even, like, the Aquarius Records, there's a big chunk of the documentary where they talk about the list. Because every two weeks they would send out an email list of all little blurbed reviews of all this new music. And it was so well written and so compelling that you would buy stuff simply based on their recommendation. That's all I want.
And there's all these people that are in the documentary being like, yeah, that's how I ended up with all these circle records, which is and I laughed so hard because I have all those circle records as well that it's like an incredible psychedelic Finnish rock band. I think they're from Finland.
And Aquarius was just so obsessed with this band and were so good at talking about how obsessed they were that it got a whole generation of people who read their breakdowns obsessed with this Finnish rock band called Circle and all their ancillary shoot-off bands, offshoot bands. Great, incredible stuff. Loved it. That's what I want. I love that. I need it so much. It's really fun, but it makes me bummed because it's really hard to find that same kind of curation, that same kind of recommendation engine.
And that's what's a bummer. Because who do you trust? And that's the whole thing. You don't know who you trust. And I will say just for shits and gigs, if you're interested, the other documentary that I will recommend is the one about the record store in New York called Other Music. Oh, that's a good one. That was another longstanding record store that I used to go to all the time that had a similar vibe as Aquarius in terms of recommending very unique and interesting stuff.
I'll also shout out a couple of other YouTube channels just because I'm trying to point people towards stuff that isn't struck. Yes. Our friend Rob Hubel recently was a guest host of Sandwiches of History. Yes. Which I was shocked because I just watched that show. And then here's Hubel doing one. I was delighted.
Um, action Bronson show. Fuck. That's delicious. So has is now just running new episodes on YouTube, uh, that are absolutely hilarious and fantastic. And then, um, uh, uh, Scott, can you put in, um, uh, air horn sounds? Um, here we go.
Okay, Mannequin Pussy, new music. Oh, yeah. The album is called, or the song is called I Got Heaven. It's out now. It's fantastic. Please listen to the new Mannequin Pussy. I'll also throw out the band Zebra has an incredible album called Bird Hour. New music from the band Pile, fantastic. Career Woman, fantastic. New album from Alabaster Deplume, incredible.
New music from Fievel is Glock, the French band. Great. And a new album from...
From Jamie Branch, jazz trumpet player who died recently. The album is inexplicably called Fly or Die Fly or Die Fly or Die, parentheses, parentheses, World War, close parentheses, close parentheses. I believe that's right. I love that. Album is incredible, beautiful, and it's a heartbreaking loss to the world of jazz and improvised music. All right. This is great. Jason, a pleasure as always.
We'll talk soon. Yay. Thank you, Jason. Remember, you can call us anytime with a question at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That's 619-Paul-Ask. Now that we got Jonathan Livingston Siegel out of the way, let's talk about next week's movie. We are saying goodbye to the songs of Neil Diamond and hello to the screams of Lou Diamond.
Phillips. That's right. On How Did This Get Made, diamonds are forever. And next week, we are watching the 1999 horror movie Bats, starring Lou Diamond Phillips and Dina Meyer. If you don't know anything about bats, you're going to love it. Basically, genetically mutated bats escape a government lab and terrorize a small Texas town. It is up to a bat expert and a local sheriff to stop them. And I'll let you decide who's
Who is who? Rotten Tomatoes gives this film an 18% score on the Tomato Meters. Scott Weinberg at eFilmCritic.com writes, Bats attacking bad actors sounds good to me. By the way, this movie is dope. Listen to the trailer for Bats. Are you saying some kind of bat did this? The bats that we're talking about, they're very special. Evacuate the town immediately. This isn't going to work. I know what these things are capable of. Bats.
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