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What did Mark Wahlberg actually think about the happening? M. Night, what happened? And why I told June in our wedding vows I would never put her on. Scare tactics. All this and more on today's How Did This Get Made? Last Looks. Hit the theme. I took a look.
And I did not like what I saw. But you know we gotta look again. Last looks, last looks.
Hello, all you tiramisu-loving adulterers. I'm your killer tree, Paul Scheer, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Last Looks. I'm not gonna lie to you people. I got the flirt, that's right. I am homebound with COVID, but nothing will stop me from delivering to you another episode of Last Looks. Um...
Because it's an important episode, an important episode where we are going to break down the happening. A movie that Discord user Elaine Smith thinks should have had the tagline, I tree dead people. I like that. Good job, Elaine. And also, instead of chatting with Jason this week, I'll be chatting with June. That's right. We are going to be playing a little excerpt from last week's Deep Dive. We're also going to share an exclusive excerpt.
deleted scene from the Happening episode. And as always, I will reveal next week's movie. But
First things first, a big shout out to Judy Ford for that hauntingly beautiful opening theme. Thank you, Judy. I loved it. We love these songs so much. And if you have a Last Looks theme song that you want to, you know, send us, you can do it at HowDidThisGetMade at Earwolf.com, but keep them short. 15 to 20 seconds is best. Joyful Recollections of Trauma is still available wherever you get your books, your audio books, your e-books.
I've been blown away by the reaction to the book. I really cannot tell you what it means to me. It's been overwhelming.
overwhelming, but keep on posting up your reviews on Goodreads and Amazon because it helps get the book out to different people's hands. And I'm actually on Storygraph, which is really fun. It's like Letterboxd for books. But let's get into it. Last week, we talked at length about the happening. Well, we had questions, and we might have even missed a few things. Here is your chance to set a straight fact check us, if you will. It is now time for Corrections and Omissions.
Corrected. Touch the rhythm, feel the bass. Right your wrongs, save some face. Give to me, give to them. Your corrections and omissions. Omissions. Omissions.
Thank you, Brian B., for that theme song. We are going right to the Discord. DrGuts1003 writes,
West, who knows? Secondly, aren't the majority of the people at the diner the same people who are stranded by the train? Whose cars are they getting into? Well, first of all, Dr. Guts, the cars is a great point. The first point, though, I think I brought that up, too. What direction? 90 miles...
It could go anywhere. But yes, the cars, unless everyone was just jumping in with other people, like the movie did make it. Like I think a lot of people were doing hitchhiking that day. Tina 1790 says, I have a theory about mood rings in the scene with the couple in the greenhouse. The man gives his theory on how plants react to human emotions. I think the mood ring was supposed to play into that theory because Mark Wahlberg looks at this before he leaves to meet with Zoe Deschanel at the end.
as if he knows the color implies that he's calm enough not to upset the plants. So that's why he goes to her. Tina, 1790, I love the amount of work that you're doing, and if that is the case, this entire movie revolves around a mood ring.
It now truly is one of the best movies ever made. Um, and Aquarius writes in an interview with Collider while Mark Wahlberg, uh, was doing press for the fighter. He said that Amy Adams, uh, was in consideration for the Zoe part, but passed on it. And here's his quote.
We had actually had the luxury of having lunch before to talk about another movie, and it was a bad movie I did. She dodged a bullet. I don't want to tell you what movie. All right, The Happening. Fuck it. It is what it is. Fucking trees, man. The plants. Fuck it. You can't blame me for not wanting to try to play a science teacher. I mean, at least I wasn't playing a cop or a crook.
Well, there he is, Mark Wahlberg. I didn't know he came out against this movie. Way to go, Mark. Let's go to the phones. Darren, what do we got?
Hey, Paul. I've been a happening defender with my group of friends. I still have an appreciation for it, and I know it's not for good reasons. But I do remember this being hyped up quite a bit as the first R-rated M. Night Shyamalan movie. He was able to kind of go full force and unhinged and do his full vision. But that always was kind of strange to me because
because I don't really know what his previous movies may have been missing that prevented him from being like the full versions of what they could have been by a PG-13 limited rating. So my question, I guess, is what are your thoughts on like Sixth Sense or Signs or Unbreakable? Are there R-rated scenes that would have made those films better or improved versions of what they were and were they actually held back? Or was this kind of just...
wasted effort and that was the only thing they could really scrape together to try and hype and promote this movie since clearly the writing left a lot on the table for what we wanted as fans. Either way, love the show. Thanks. Bye. No, I actually don't think that it would be better if M. Night made R-rated films. I don't think that's the problem with his films. I mean,
The best comparison you can make to M. Night is that he is our modern-day Hitchcock. And Hitchcock didn't make R-rated films. I grew up loving Hitchcock. I'm sure many people have grown up loving M. Night movies. I just think they have maybe better twists and turns. I don't think that anything is holding that back that is making a movie PG or PG-13. I think it really is just straight-up plotting. So, you know, I would say better third act more than...
a different rating. Let's go to Lee from Ontario. Hey, Paul, regarding the happening. Okay, man, I'm just, I'm so curious on your opinion, specifically about the writing of the dialogue for the characters in this movie, because I mean, we see, you know, and they write great movies, great characters, great, you know, great movies. But in this movie for the characters, they do that one thing where bad characters and bad movies are,
do where they just like they're reduced to one thing you know walberg is a science teacher so he like legitimately says science 10 times in the first seven minutes like guys you gotta open up your science books if you just listen to science more jacob it'll explain why your face is gonna get worse when it gets older i'm just kidding it's all about science you know and like johnny legs is like i'm a math teacher so i'm just gonna keep talking about math and like you're a traumatized little girl let's do a fucking math middle like that's
the only thing that character is even known for, you know? Um, so I'm just kind of curious on your thoughts, why and how he can go from writing characters in movies to how did, how did this happen? Um, anyway, yeah, I love your thoughts. And also I love the book. Uh, thanks so much. It was a fantastic book. Have a great day. First of all, thank you so much, uh, for loving my book. Uh, secondly, uh,
Uh, Lee, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is, right? There are so many cases of this happening with people that we love, you know, uh, my, my gut would be that maybe he's walled himself off from human interaction because that's really the thing that I go to in these movies, this and old, it's not the way that people speak to each other. Not even like,
It's not even like something you would overhear. It's like he's not out in the world. And I don't know if it's an old-timey way of doing things or maybe it's like an experiment in being almost very bald in your dialogue writing, but it is so bizarre that you stop and go, this is an alien. This is not a... And I don't know what that is, but the only thing I could...
assume is that he's been insulated from maybe even reading other people's stuff or interacting in the world. Although that sounds insane because I'm sure he's a lovely guy who's out hanging out in Philadelphia. But I don't know. I mean, it's so bizarre that you're right. I don't think it's just characters. I think it's dialogue too. He's lost his ear for it, but yet he's got these great premises. Maybe it's a world in which he needs to pair up with somebody else. I don't know.
What a good question. Anyway, back to the Discord. Mitch Kappa writes, I couldn't believe that our introduction to our hero science teacher is him telling his class that there are just some things we'll never know because there are, quote unquote, unknown forces. My guy, the entire point of science is turning those unknown forces into known forces. That's
Boom, Mitch Kappa slamming it down. Yeah, this is probably one of the worst representations of a science teacher you could possibly ever see. And not like Mark Wahlberg is bad at acting as a science teacher. Just the dialogue for Mark Wahlberg. Again, going back to Lee's issue,
so bizarre. Graham S. writes, I feel like the direction that M. Night gave Mark Wahlberg was pretend Dirk Diggler eventually made his way out of porn, went to grad school, and ended up teaching science in Pennsylvania. There's a naivete or perhaps a bewilderment to both performances, in my opinion. Graham S., you are incredibly right. I think that sometimes that's something that's carried over in a lot of Wahlberg's performances, but I
I would love the idea that Mark Wahlberg was a substitute teacher. He was. Dirk Diggler became a substitute teacher, and then no one really asked him, and he just became the head of the science department. Chrissy McConnell writes, I'm sorry, but why was there no trio storm in this episode? Well, you know what? We can only do it. We can't go to the well that much. We
We got a Geostorm. If we do a Triostorm, it feels to me like we're going to that well too much, Chrissy. We can't, you know, we got to give it to you when you least expect it. If you're in the audience, maybe we would have adopted it, but I don't think so. We can't just, this is like the same thing about, is it a Jacob's Ladder scenario? Bend it, don't break it, Chrissy. All right, so many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one winner. And I got to say,
you know, there's something about this. Every question is really good and eye-opening, but the thing that really brought me to this movie in a different way for me is Anna Aquarius finding this interview with Collider with the great Mark Wahlberg, where he shits on the movie. For such a long time, we didn't want to do this movie because we felt like, oh, we know people involved and maybe they really love it, but now we know that they don't. And Anna Aquarius, for showing up
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Thank you, Scarecrow, for that song. Remember, if you want to submit an alt movie tagline or chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode, hit up the Discord at discord.gg slash hdtgm or call us at 619-PAUL-ASK. All right, coming up after the break, June and I will do a deep dive on some of the stories in my book
And as always, I will announce next week's movie. But first, I want to share with you all a bonus deleted scene from the Q&A portion of The Happening Live Show where June reveals what she mistakenly thought Zooey Deschanel's character was named.
Take a listen. Yes, your name and your question. Seth just wanted to call attention to the last airbender patch on the backpack at the end of the movie that he was foreshadowing. Yeah, Jess's backpack is a last airbender backpack. I noticed that as well. Wow, he's really letting it go. By the way, speaking about foreshadowing, I've never seen foreshadowing. I guess foreshadowing, what's the opposite of that? Full sunning? No.
When she goes, oh, yeah, well, this is a separate house and there are two rooms. And you can hear through a tunnel system that we have. Betty Buckley sets up the end so clearly. Well, of course, they're going to go there. It's so crazy. You're going to steal my stuff. In the very beginning of the movie at the train station, I also have to admit I was very confused because I thought Jess called Zooey Deschanel Grandma.
It took me a while. I heard grandma and I couldn't catch, I don't know if anyone else struggled with this, I couldn't catch her name. Now I understand it. Alma? Don't want to try that again. Nobody was saying it in a way I could hear it. I heard grandma, Alma. Alma? Grandma? It was one of Jess's six lines. Alma?
I'm scared. Okay, yes, what's your name in your question? Nick, this is not my theory, but in the M. Night Shyamalan movie After Earth, Will Smith says that everything on Earth has evolved to kill humans. So is this perhaps a prequel? Well, this is interesting that you bring this up because there is a Reddit theory and a good Reddit theory that the twist of this movie is aliens.
Where is it? It's so much of a twist, it's not even revealed to us. It's so much of a twist. This is Reddit. This is Reddit. But I will say...
That would be better. I would like it if there was a villain at the end that was somehow manifested. Like you cut to a spaceship with two aliens and they're like, ooh, good job. Those are the aliens? Good job! Did you audition for that part?
Yeah, they didn't get it. So mad.
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All right, welcome back. Now, I'm sure you've noticed that every Monday we re-release old How Did This Get Made episodes back into our feed. This week's Matinee Monday is M. Night Shyamalan's Old, and next week will be the original Sharknado with guest Scott Aukerman. Why Sharknado, you ask? Well, if you keep on listening, you'll find out a little later in this episode. All right, so we're going to do something a little bit different than just our regular Just Chat segment. We're actually going to do another...
crossover, a podcast crossover with the deep dive. So June, take it away. Now, let me ask you something genuinely. Why do you like to spook and scare so much? What is that? What is that? It's a really interesting thing that you say that because I,
I didn't introduce you. Oh, hi. Do you think I'm Dan O'Brien? No, but I do want to give you a formal introduction because now every introduction you have from here until your obituary will include New York Times bestselling author Paul Scheer is here on the deep dive to talk about his book, his memoir, as Chris Jenner would say, Joyful Recollections of Trauma.
So that's how you're going to be introduced. Those words will come before your name always. I mean, it seems really like a weight that I enjoy carrying, but it feels like it is a big weight. It feels big. It feels massive. New York Times, baby. New York Times. New York Times.
So, but to go back to my first hard hitting question, why, what, we don't really, I don't think you get into it in the book, but what is it? Actually, I wonder, I wonder if this is going to be a natural segue into ADHD, the ADHD chapter, because what is it, what is it you're seeking when you seek to scare? What is that? Honestly, I don't know because there's nothing in me that wants to
scare you. Like, I don't want to, I don't want you to be scared, but it seems like in good humor, I don't mind you being scared. Like, I don't want to really scare you. As a matter of fact, last night we're here on a vacation and I went out, um,
the front door. And I realized, oh, the car was parked on the side, not in the front. So as I was walking by the kitchen, I saw you in the kitchen and I stood by that window. And then- It's almost scary to learn about the times I've been potentially scared. Oh, and then I realized I shouldn't do this and I walked away. Good, that's progress. But then what's so fun about scaring you, and this is what people don't understand-
You and I, and I remember this so vividly, we were cleaning out this garage space that we had at our first apartment together. And we were going through things and talking, having a conversation just like this. I turned my head, not my body. I turned my head.
I threw a mask on and then I turned to you and you freaked out as if I jumped out of a closet. And that to me made me laugh so much. Like that's, like, where did I go? Yeah.
It's like you were talking to a zombie this entire time. I don't know. But that, that turn, I, we did not even, we didn't move proximity. I just turned my head. I think the, I think what the audience doesn't know is that you, and maybe I think I fell in, I truly fell in love with you when we moved in together and I saw you had a giant box. Boxes are a big part of your memoir. Um,
And all the boxes in your collections, but you had a box that was titled, that had a label on it. This is a big, big box that said wigs and mustaches.
Yeah, because I, as a purveyor of sketch comedy, I had to make sure. When I saw your box of wigs and mustaches, I thought, I do love this man. I do love this man. I mean, I love a good disguise. And a spook. I will tell you, though, that there's a moment in my childhood, not in the book,
where my stepfather did this thing. And my mom was complicit in this as well. I had friends over and we were going to be camping in the backyard. This was like a big thing in my youth. We would set up a tent in the backyard. Okay. I didn't know. And so my friends are going to come over and we're going to camp out in the backyard. And so we had set up our tent and we were doing whatever we were doing in the backyard. And, um,
My mom and my stepdad called me into the house and they said, you know, we don't want you to sleep outside tonight. And we're like, well, why, why? You know, we were so upset. Like, this is our sleepover. Like, well, we just heard on the radio that this man escaped from the mental institution.
A pig-nosed man had escaped and he's on the loose. And the police say they don't want anyone outside. And we're like, it's fine, mom. It's fine. We'll be okay. We'll be okay. So we, now I know everyone knows where the story is going, but I'll continue it anyway. We go out to the tent and we go to sleep. And as we're in the tent,
Me and my three friends, we hear this rustling in the backyard. And it's not a dog. It's not anything we don't know when we hear it. And now the tent had a mesh window on the side of it. And my stepfather all of a sudden ran up to that window. We heard those footsteps going really, really quick. Ripped open the mesh window and then pushed his nose up to me like a pig nose facing. Started going...
And we freaked out. We ran and we ran out. And that was a... Seminal scare. A seminal scare. And it's a scare that like we, I feel like there was an energy of we like to scare. We are scaring people.
A lot of booze, a lot of like jumping out at people. I don't know why. I don't love it particularly either, but I also sometimes really enjoy your reaction to it. Well, but it's not to hurt or harm you. I know that for the listeners who don't know this, I don't think I've ever shared this, but on our wedding day, one of Paul's vows was,
was to never put me on Scare Tactics. Avow which? You have kept. I have kept. Now, in my defense, at that point, I think Scare Tactics was potentially over. So I also want you to know that as we record this, reboots also.
I appreciate that. Thank you. This is across the board. It's fun for you to know. And I would say anything that's scare tactic adjacent that has ultimately the same premise doesn't have to be scare tactics TM. It just has to be in the world. I would never put you on a prank. Thank you. I would never put you on a prank show. As a matter of fact, I said to you, now...
I think you're one of the most wonderful, resilient, resourceful people I know. But that's why I also said to you, I don't want you to go on Survivor. I want you to, I want to protect you from all that stuff. I don't think that you need to subject yourself to that. You could do it if necessary. If survival was at stake, yes.
We don't need to put you through that just for... Well, we were just with one of my high school friends who said, who told a story I had forgotten about when the two of us were in Florida together when we were in seventh or eighth grade. And we were sent out on a jet ski in the inner coastal that we were actually in the ocean when this happened, but we flew off our jet ski. Oh my God. And we had to swim back to it. You know, you have to get on the back of them. Mm-hmm.
And my dear friend, Jen had, she swam over first. And so she was about to climb up on the back of it. When she felt someone, me push her down and use her back as a step as a step. Wow. Wow. Now I would want to be on the guy with whatever tribe you were in and survivor. I'd want to be on that tribe. So I said to her and she was so stunned. And to this day, I had forgotten it. And to this day,
She says she thinks about it and, and it definitely impacted. It happened early in the trip. And then we had like a week together and I knew what I had done. And I did say to her, you have to understand my survival instinct. I don't know what happened with my ancestors. I don't know where this comes from is so strong. And I will step on you.
She said I stepped, pushed her down, used her back as a stepping stone to get myself up. I showed you that movie, right? The Danish movie with the avalanche, right? Where a family is on a ski vacation and there's an avalanche. And...
The husband upon the site of the avalanche, like pushes his children and wife to the side to save himself. And then the avalanche doesn't really come. So they're fine. And then, and how it affects, here's what I'll say. What I really love about you is your survival instinct is very strong. Yeah.
but also your instinct to help is equally as strong. So I, you have this kind of push pull, like you run towards danger, but then you often will run, but I've never really seen you run away from like, like that, like you're like, that is unlike you to use someone as a ladder. But at the same time, it feels very much, it also feels like right because it's, you got to do your thing. I could look back and say, yeah,
Jen was much shorter than me. And so...
I think I thought this is going to be the best way for me to get up. And then of course I'll help her up. Gotcha. May I ask you? I'd love to think. It's hard to know. You know, it's hard to know what exactly was going through my mind. Can I give you the Billy Zane quiz? Sure. Okay. Picture yourself as Billy Zane, the character that he plays in the Titanic. You know, so you're not Billy Zane. You're his character. You're this rich, wealthy man. Titanic is going. With eyeliner on? Yeah.
I mean, does he have eyeliner? Does he have dark eyes? Yeah. Now, like Nestor Carbonell. So you are in this moment. Titanic is going down. Don't worry about Kate Winslet. Don't worry about anything else. Are you going to be fighting to get on those boats? You're not a mother. You're not. No children. Are you going to? Like Billy Zane fights to get on those boats.
I'm going to be really honest because I think most people aren't honest about this. What I would do is I'm looking to see how many boats. Okay. Okay. But you know not enough. Well, I know there's definitely not enough boats. Okay.
But I'm looking to see how many boats will at least get the children on. Okay. I'm not worried about the women. I'm sorry. Okay. Okay. Again, you're Billy Zane here. Yeah. Yes. I'm worried about children and elderly. Anyone who's an adult able-bodied person, I hope, and I believe in my heart of hearts that I would wait for,
to get the children and elderly and anyone in physical need on first. And then everybody who's able-bodied, woman, man, I don't care what gender, I would fight to get on. After that, I hope. Okay, but now I'm going to add one more addendum to it. If you're an elderly person, are you going to be dancing on the deck of the Titanic like those elderly people or laying in bed? Or are you going to be fighting to get to that boat? Because I did notice that you said elderly and children. So
As an elderly, are you going to be trying to get on there? You're going to be like, you know what? I've lived my life. Let me lay in bed with my... I'm not going down like that. Okay, there we go. I'm fighting to the end. I love it. So back to just scares and spooks for a second. This back to school season, spend less on your kids with Amazon. Now, here's the thing. I love back to school season, but I'm going to be honest, it's expensive.
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Let's go places. I would actually say, babe, that not to psychoanalyze you, but I do think that what your book does get into is actually a very scary childhood and a very childhood. You mean you tell a story of your step stepfather that's kind of whimsical and fun, but there was real fear and there was real spooks and real violence and scary stuff happening. I wonder if you're
interest in scaring is to, to kind of take more control over the scares. Well, can I analyze your analyzation and say those scares are so not the scares that I, the jump scares that I enjoy are so not scary because of the actual scares that I did have. So, and this is a, this is a problem that I have. And I think it was much more apparent in the beginning of our relationship that
I don't know what's normal in the sense that... So glad to hear you say that. I have lived a life that has multiple bizarre...
Twists and turns. But at the same time, I also have done comedy, which has warped my own sensibility of what's funny and what's acceptable. And I think when we first met, you are hilariously funny. You have a great sense of humor. But I could push a boundary or two that you would be like, whoa.
And that was very early on. And I noticed that about myself, that there are certain things that what I take for normal, what I take as, oh, everyone is on the same page, isn't always the case. And I think that's changed as I've gotten older. But definitely...
You know, you live in a certain thing, you build these certain, like these kind of neural pathways that you go, oh yeah, this is, this is behavior that is acceptable. Jokes that you should tell in, in mixed company. Like, you know, that, that people don't understand. Like I joke around about this a lot that, you know, when I first started doing UCB, a lot of, and I'm sure you and Jess talk about this, like a lot of our interactions, my interactions with friends were bits, right?
Can you tell everybody the face that you're making right now? It was scary, actually. Talk about a spook and a scare. It was like, I couldn't believe how...
It was difficult to have conversations with people. And I thought, I wonder if I'm ever going to meet, be comfortable in his friend group because it was so, there were just so many bits. You're coming to... There were only bits. Right. You're coming to spend a week at a house in Ojai that we rented and people are trying to sell you above ground pools or, you know, talk to you about... Someone's the pool cleaner. Yeah. Yeah. And you're forced to perform. So I...
So, yeah, anyway, that's the best part of it. Right. That's the highest level. But I think what you're describing is early on in our relationship there, there were times where I would feel like there were jokes that did offend me and that that I found just, you know, off off. But.
I also think as a woman doing comedy, I'm really proud of myself for being honest about that. Because I do think that because there were so few women at UCB or wherever, the vibe was like, if you don't think this is funny, if you're not willing to be like edgy like this...
then you're not really funny. Well, that I really hated and I still don't like, but I find I less so have a problem with it now and the culture's changed. So that's not really the case anymore. But at that time, it took a lot for me to say, Hey, even to you when we were dating, cause I did respect you as a comedian and I had people at the theater. I knew we're talking about how I was, you know, basically, uh,
too serious. Really? Well, yeah. I mean, you know that whole story, babe, of when I made a comment about like women and... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, don't forget about that. Well, you know, the thing I... But that... But knowing that
And men thought I couldn't hang or was very hard. Well, let me just say to be as authentic to myself as I could be. I want to say two things. And one, I want to circle back to our relationship. But I want to just highlight one thing that you're not saying, which is it what I don't believe.
It wasn't like you're not edgy enough. You can't hang. You're edgy. You're smart. You push. It was the dumber stuff that you were like, oh, I'm on stage. And if I don't know this Star Wars reference. Oh, well, that's true. But that's a different thing.
It's a different thing. That's totally different. See, I thought, I thought that there was like... No, I don't want to out people right now, but you and I both know that we're, that the one joke that almost, you almost decided not to date me because I didn't think it was funny. And I don't want to get into it right now. I understand. I understand. I'm respecting. But you know what that is. Yes. But I know the start, the fact that it was male dominated and that the improv, the actual improv was...
Well, I, yeah. And I think it was. That was hard for me too. Well, I also think it, I think it also erred on the side of being incredibly nerdy and like knowing a reference to a sci-fi thing or something like that is also different than like, that doesn't mean funny or not, but I think that a lot of women were put in this position to, yeah. But here's what I'll say and why I think our relationship was so special and what's so interesting about it was that
When you did call me out on that joke. The joke that shall not be named. The joke that shall not be named. I want to sit here and say, don't worry, listeners. It's not that bad, but I'm actually like, no. Here's the thing that you should know. It was a joke that was publicly said in a very large forum that was repeated. So it's not like whatever, but again, we're not, we don't need. It wasn't a joke that you made. Right. It was a joke that you thought was funny. I thought it was very funny. Yes. Now,
When you, and this is an interesting thing, like I think it was us feeling each other out. And it's one of the things in the book, I talk about our relationship a lot and I appreciate you allowing me to do that. You know, I showed you the book very much towards the end and I don't know if you knew what was in there. And this joke is not in there, but I do think that part of what was so special is that you felt comfortable enough with me to
to talk to me. And I felt beyond anything that was going on in our romantic life, beyond anything that was going on as performers, I respected your opinion to hear that and sit with it. And I think that I always think back to that argument because it wasn't like, well, if you don't think it's funny, you're wrong. I think one of the things that I came to in that was I respect your opinion and
And I understand that. And I'm going to be aware of that. And I think that that was something that was really different than anything that I'd ever done. I wasn't, I wasn't, um, fuck this person. She didn't get what's funny. I'm like, you know, I really respected the way that you came to me. And I think it started actually this thread in our relationship where, um,
whatever we, whatever is at top of mind does come out for better or for worse in a really lovely way. We can speak to it and engage with it. And I think that we don't really carry a lot of baggage in that way. And it may not be always the best conversation, but I think it was the signal to me that this relationship was something special and something different that you could, you
Do that. And that's something that I think as I listen to you, as I watch you as a mom, as a performer, as a human being, I'm always amazed at that you can go there. I think that the part of this podcast is not being fearful of anything.
saying what you mean and saying what you think and, and letting it be out there. Like that idea, let us live. I mean, it's like this, we're sharing these things that I don't know. I think it's a very powerful thing that not many people do. I think so many people sit on things, it becomes poisonous. It can become like an attic full of junk. And, you know, it's sort of the difference of
you know, do you treat a cut right away or do you just ignore it for a while? You know, and I think that that's, yeah. And I think that you, you are, you've really changed the entire way that I communicate in relationships. I mean, that truly is, you know, and we talk about this in a way, in a way in the book,
something that was so amazing to me. And I'm always looking to that, to that. I'm always looking to that. And I think that's one of the things, even though I'm not allowed to listen to the show, what I really, I think what I really appreciate. And when people talk to me about this show, they're like over the moon about it because I think that you're sharing a vulnerability and
that is also incredibly strong and you're not, you're not afraid to be who you are. And that's something that I think is, you know, in this world, in this time, it's, it's a very, it's sometimes a tricky line to walk because what you said was, you know, about being in the UCB and you feeling like you said this thing about, you know, you're too serious, but that's who you, you aren't too serious. But what you said was what you felt and that, that,
look at where you are, look at what you've done, look at where you, what you do. And I think that that's a strong, a really strong thing that I think is hard for people. I think when we go back to talking about bits, you know, I think that's partly people afraid to have a deeper conversation anyway. And I should say that, you know,
Although I was stunned by all the bits, you know, I deeply love all of those people I'm referring to. And my memoir is called Beyond the Bit.
But by the way, and I just want you to know too, like it's not as if you don't do bits and, and, and are funny in responding to bits, but I could also understand like the only way of communicating for a long time or around a lot. It was just through bits. It's like, well, do I know these people? Or is this like, is this person a, you know, above the ground pool salesman? Like, I don't know, you know. And everybody evolves and everybody changes too. Um, yeah.
But you're talking about my willingness to be vulnerable or be who I am, but that's exactly what you've done with your book is really bear parts of yourself and share such deep and personal stories about yourself and yourself.
I'm really, really proud of you. And I, you know, it's funny, I've never in my life had this experience and you've heard me do it where when someone tells you just happened yesterday, a woman we were talking to, I had met before, but we spent some time with her here on vacation, had shared the most beautiful reading of your book, which was about how she felt
you know, she's a counselor for kids. And she was saying that, that a lot of people who have gone through trauma are given books on like how to deal with it and how to move on and how to become resilient and move past it. And it's very clinical and they're very, you know, prescriptive and how your book tells that story, but it is so in such a different way. And with this narrative and, and, um,
You know, the tools that you found as a child and as an adult, you know, are so helpful. But I have never felt so comfortable receiving praise for someone else. And I when she said it, I said immediately, thank you. Yeah.
I've never felt so... I mean, it's... I've never taken so much pride in anything I've done, to be honest. And as the amount of pride I am taking in your book...
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Now, Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 43% score on the Tomatometer, and Andrew Todd from Birth Movies Death wrote, Chuck Attack 3 ain't a great film, or even necessarily a good film, but it's most definitely a fun film. Sip it up as an appetizer for the Meg, or as a
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