Matinee Monday: The Secret (w/ Topher Grace & Joel Kim Booster)
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Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to a very special in-studio episode of How Did This Get Made? Today, we are talking about The Secret, a film that made me feel icky all over. Not since Adore have I not wanted to see two people have sex so much. Uh,

All right, so to give you a brief rundown of this movie, this is a movie where we'll get into it in the show, but just to give you an idea of our jumping off point, a mother and daughter switch bodies, but I guess the daughter's spirit dies and the mother is actually in the daughter's body. And that causes some problems because...

The mother has to masquerade as the daughter, but also wants to fuck the father? Yikes. Gross. Here, take a listen to this clip. Calm down. What happened? I was at my locker. Kids are so young, but they act like they're old.

- And they're not, and they're having sex. - What? You're having sex? - Yes, I'm having sex with more than one person, I think. - Jesus Christ. - Just a little taste of what we're in store for today, and there's no better person I can think of to dissect this film than the one, the only, Jason Manzoukas. How are you, Jason? - Holy cow, this was a roller coaster.

Indeed, I am so... The number of times that I wrote in my notes, are they going to kiss? Are they going to kiss now? My jaw dropped in this movie so many times. Can I ask you an honest question? Did David Duchovny write this movie? Ha ha ha!

We will see. We'll answer that question. David, did he write this movie? Because I believe if not, it was at least born out of a dream he had. It's insane. I feel bad that June is not here. So what we actually did later in the episode, you can actually hear June's response to this film. And it is just as good as you think it might be. We'll play that a little bit later in the episode. But let me welcome our first guest who has just...

had an amazing career of being in so many great things. Most recently, he was in Black Klansman. He's also been in movies like Ocean's 12, That 70s Show, Spider-Man 3, a classic on this show. And,

And he has a brand new podcast, which is amazingly fun. It's called Minor Adventures with Topher Grace. Please welcome Topher Grace. Hello. Thank you. Topher, you- I'd like to say the vibe I got, Jason, is that he may not have fucked them in the movie. Yeah. But in real life, definitely. A million percent. He fucked everyone on the set. Everybody.

He is everybody. Duchovny is doing some, there's a, there's a lot going on here. Sexuality is at an all time high, but like hair, emotionality is an all time low, like the roller coaster. Okay. Let's say we'll get into, we'll get into it. And our next guest, uh, you know him from the Hulu show shrill. He also is in a brand new comedy central web series that I'm producing called on send where he and Patty Harrison deconstruct, uh,

All the terribleness of social media. The first three episodes are up right now. Just type in unsend to YouTube. Please welcome Joel Kim Booster. Joel, what did you think when you hit play on this film? Um, I was really, it's been tough for me because ever since David Duchovny did what he did to Taylor Leone, um,

It's been hard for me to watch him in films and movies and media of any sort. And it was even harder because he did... You mean Madam Secretary? Yes, absolutely Madam Secretary. What he did to Madam Secretary. I also wrote down, and I know this isn't right, I was like, he used to be married to Dharma from Dharma and Greg. Yes, he was?

But no, that's T.F. Taglioni. Yeah, he used to be married to Taglioni. Very confusing set of notes that I have. Okay, got it. No, Dharma from Dharma and Greg is Jenna Elfman. And she's married to Bodie Elfman. Got it. Who's not David Duchovny. We can all agree that he is not David Duchovny. A million percent. But they've all fucked David Duchovny. Yes, every one of them. I don't know if I've ever told this story on a podcast. Is this about you fucking Duchovny? Yes. Yes.

It was a long night. We were shooting late. It was, we were in Montreal. California occasion, season seven. Well, here's my thing about Duchovny is, you know, it was publicly admitted that he had some sort of sex addiction, but it seems like the majority of work he does centers on him being

sex and boning. Like, I mean, he doesn't stray from it. Except for the X-Files, which I think, unless the X-Files is really just about wanting to fuck like aliens and supernatural beings. I gotta say, as a horny kid, it was a revelation to hear that you could be addicted to sex. I was like, I didn't even know that was an option. And then when I found that out as a child, I was like, this is dope. Yeah, that's something to aspire to.

Well, let's just kind of walk it back. If you've not seen the movie The Secret, it is an hour and 30 minute jaunt. I genuinely believed at the beginning that we were watching a movie based on the book The Secret. I started watching that documentary and was waiting for Duchovny to show up. It was hard to find. I'll say this. This movie came out in 2007.

And I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know Averill Halley, who pulls all of our movies for us. She's like, just enjoy it. I sat back. And the first 10, 15 minutes, I'm like, well, what is this? Like, what am I watching? That was the big mistake. I've never obviously done this before with you guys, was I didn't read anything about what it was about. Great. Which I...

I guess, but man, those first 20 minutes are like, so I guess this guy is a thriving eye practice. Yes. And he's really, he's in love. Way into his wife for how many years they've been into. And their daughter is this kind of like, she just fucking hates them and life. I mean, it's just one note teenager. Yeah. I was not rooting for her to be alive by the end of the movie. Does that hurt the daughter? No. She didn't earn life. What a,

She seemed so angry and the parents seemed so cool. Yeah. Like when, at a certain point when it's revealed later on that Lily Taylor is the mom in this movie, but when it's revealed later on that the daughter wanted the mom to die, you're like, really? The mom was like, let her go out with her friends. But I think that's just classic teenage stuff. I don't think it was. You wanted your mom to die? I mean, like, I'm,

she says in the journal later that she admits that she, she likes. And in her locker, like I will say that moment where there were a couple of moments that were genuinely affecting, I thought one of them being when she manages to open her daughter's locker for the first time and sees the world, the landscape that is her daughter's life, which is pictures of her and all that kind of stuff that I was like, Oh, that's cool. Like there are like two,

movies that would work within the context of this movie, this is not one of the working versions of this story. It's not supposed to be... A body-swapping movie between mother and daughter is not also supposed to be an erotic thriller. Let's just lay out the premise on the table. This is a body-swapping movie where one of the people dies. And the other one is in the other's body. So the mother is in the daughter's body and

And occasionally in sleep or after doing some special K, the daughter will pop out every now and then. But it basically is the story of... So it's not a body swapping movie as much as it is the mother has jumped into... The mother's psyche or whatever has jumped into the daughter's body. Yes. So both are present in the one body while Lily Taylor's body is Dunzo. It's very Get Out-esque. In fact, I think Jordan Peele might have...

Wow. Shots fired. That's the secret of the secret is he stole the whole thing. He stole Get Out from this movie. This was one of those things where I was like, oh, wait a minute. Like, how do you, when watching that first 20 minutes, I was like, oh, is this like a real movie that I just missed? Well, that's like a, it was awful. It was terrible. Before I even understood what it was, which is weird, by the way, how they're,

how her body transferred. I guess she held her hand. And was screaming for him. By the way, that hospital is a terrible hospital. Oh, they let him watch his wife and daughter die while he's standing two feet from them. They let the mother hold the daughter's hand while they're trying to resuscitate her. And she only noticed that she had a pulse because the daughter indicated that she lost her hand. Yeah, moved her finger. And it's like, well, thank God for that nurse. Like, who is...

Like why everyone is still hooked up to machines. Everyone in this movie is so incredibly callous in front of everybody. I mean, whether it's a teenager going, Oh, like after finding out the teenager in his reality, this, his friend's mother died. He's like, cool. You got your wish. Weird man. And then I came true. And then the doctor in the hospital was like, call it. Like he's just like, no, that was the best guy. The guy who goes up to her and go, or goes up, David Cummings. Like,

We've called it. She's dead. And then he goes, she's alive. And you go, oh, shit. And he just kind of runs back. He just runs into another room. And then it's literally cut to them coming home. And she's like, I guess I'll do my homework. You're so...

so what happens, like the movie is about what you, so there is something interesting about this to me. I was like, oh, so the mother's persona is in the daughter's body. Now the daughter is not present. Now it's up to the, to Lily Taylor in the body of her daughter to convince David Duchovny that it's her, right? Which is such a good setup for a movie to me. Like he's going to be like, this is trauma. This is something, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And he, it,

essentially immediately he's like I believe you yeah well no no no he doesn't do that he goes to the library takes off his sweater goth library talks to a goth library what is going on he's like oh I'll ask her she knows what's up and then goes to a doctor no no but before that the best part of the whole movie for me

Was that when they show this montage of him doing research, he types into Google, Oh, yes! Scientific research. Yes. Yeah. That's what he's Googling! Scientific research. Keep in mind, he's a doctor. That's right. He's a doctor. He goes to meet this man. He's a scientist.

Thank God that scientist was close by. Oh, yeah. And the scientist tells him a story that really has nothing to do with what's going on. The scientist tells him this. In a small African village, a woman was in a coma after a serious illness, and she miraculously revived. When did this happen? About 10 years ago. But when she woke up, she said she was someone else. A young girl who had died that same day in a village over 100 miles away. The woman knew intimate details, everything about the young girl's life.

So not related. Yeah. No...

but retain the girls personally. So, nothing. There's no similarities there. No, no, it is. It's essentially, it's a similar... It's a similar thing, but it's like, that to me is like, well, he's like, all right, well, do they know each other? No. And it also doesn't help him. No. It helps him not at all in search of a solution, which is what you're assuming he's there for. Well, did you notice in backseat doctoring, when the wife first comes to, he's like,

Sort of. And I think it was a Duchovny ad lib because the doctor's like, I'm going to need you to breathe out to get the tube out. Yes. So breathe out. And he's like literally like echoing what the doctor is saying. And no offense to any eye doctor out there, but I wouldn't want an eye doctor to be giving me like be backseat driving my medical trauma. No offense to eye doctors. You're basically saying, fuck you, eye doctors. I believe that you are a doctor.

I think what you do is valid. I just don't want you in the ER. I don't want you in the ER helping resuscitate me. I don't think that that's your wheelhouse. Eat shit, optometrists.

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Here's the thing, I think, jumping off of what Jason was saying about... Guys, I really think...

I think this moves close to a good movie. I really do. I think I could have fixed it. I have some notes. Yeah, of course. First things first. If I had one pass at this point. Put Nicolas Cage in instead of David Duchovny. This movie gets exponentially weirder. I actually think Nick Cage would have been less intrinsically sex creepy than David Duchovny brings that to every role. I will just say that the thing that I think is creepy about this movie in the base level is that

It's his wife in his daughter's body. And he's acting as if his wife is in the body of a 16 year old. Any 16. Not his daughter. And that's, I think, the creepiest part of this movie. And the daughter never acknowledges it. No, I actually think it's the wife in the daughter's body. I think it's the reverse. I think,

that David Duchovny's character does like when she walks in on him Winnie the pooing in the closet with just like no bottoms and a t-shirt like he's very like hiding his dick away. Oh yes. I get weird from him. She's the one who's a fucking psycho about it. She's horned up. But here's She literally approaches puts a sexy record on in lingerie and is like are we gonna do this or what? She had a couple of drinks. Now look from her

perspective, she's in a new body. She's like, I've got the body of a 16 year old. She's not looking like she's still looking. From her perspective, she doesn't think of anything as her body, right? And she's just looking out at him. Right. She's looking at the same man that she always looked at. She's like, my daughter is dead, but let's bone. I mean, the grief in this movie is really off the scale. Yeah. The mother never grieves for the daughter at all.

She just takes over her life. Yeah, and happily. Her daughter is, and he never grieves his daughter because her body is right there. It is, the emotional dynamics are so, like when he goes into the, just to jump back to the hospital for one second, when he comes into the hospital and they are both also on side-by-side ICU beds. With no divider. Like no divider, no nothing. Well, because it's like two for one. When you do get into a major accident, don't bring it in. If you get in a bus accident, you get a better, cheaper cost. He looks at the-

them both and then bends over like he's like just ran like the field length during like an intramural soccer game. He's kind of like, ah, like it's like, it's almost like he's winded. Like that's his version of emotion. The funny thing is that they put him literally by a sign that says trauma. So like when he's reacting to his wife dying, like he is framed with a sign that says trauma. He's like, ah.

Um, there is a moment that I want to talk about again, people being callous when he brings winter. Well, I guess whenever he brings a daughter home and the daughter comes out, when the daughter first comes out for a second, uh,

not the daughter spirit in the daughter body. He immediately like, and your mother died. Your mother died. Wait, wait, dude, chill out. Like this person just got out of a coma and you're like, and by the way, your mother's dead. You don't remember?

Like, and it was very judgmental. It was like, so crazy. Wait, there is one moment of grief that I feel must've been an insert because someone watched the movie and was like, no one, no one shows emotion. That hard cut to Duchovny's crying in the car was tough. Oh yeah. Whoa. But that wasn't, I,

was impressed by that because I was like I wonder if he's like one of those actors like just I can get it I can get it going not just get it going but like get it going like full snot coming out yeah get it going like you want you want me like I'll fucking shit myself bro just a second I'll cry so hard I shit I don't care man and by the

David, we don't need... I'm doing it right now, man. I mean, he looked like his face was sunken in. That was like I feel like he was like, start rolling after minute five. Because that's where you're going to be standing. I've got a process. And Joel, to your point... I need you to put American Pie on the radio. That song gets me. I just want to say to Joel's point about this is a close to a good movie. It is based on another movie. This is a remake. So...

That makes sense to me. I thought the solution to this whole movie was that you dub it over in a foreign language...

and then do subtitles. Yeah. Because it felt like if I was watching this as, let's say it was an American, if you're watching it as a European film, you're kind of like, okay, I guess I'm missing something culturally. Well, knowing that it's French is like, it answers, because only the French are brave enough to make a movie where the central question is, is it incest if your wife's brain is in your daddy's body? Yeah, that is very true. What are you having sex with? Are you having sex with the monogamous

Yes.

Dude, that's your daughter. You are in your daughter's body. That's so weird. This movie needed to lean either into full horror or full comedy because the moment when she's looking at her daughter's naked body is a comedic beat. Oh, yeah. Justin tattoo reveal. That whole scene is a freaky Friday. Like that's all it is. This movie does have like comedy.

like her going to high school like yeah oh totally like why not just play the comedy and when Justin like abducts her into the stairwell I was like what the fuck is going on crazy why didn't she get with Justin that guy was hot honestly she was so not into him and her husband's not fucking him now to find a 17 year old so into role play oh yeah role play in the middle of a school day and she goes I'm married and immediately I'm married he's one of the

best role-play improviser of all time. He's like, okay, great. And I'm going to fuck you with my hard dick. Like, wow. Yes, and...

He's like, I did level one at UCB. I'm good. I can roll with this. I love that she screams, I'm married and slaps him. Like she's acting. Everybody is everybody. Here's the other thing. This movie, everybody is horny. Like she's so horny. Duchovny is horny. The guidance counselor is hard after Duchovny. This dude's wife is still there.

Like warm in the ground. Yeah, it's like, how long are we saying she's been dead for? Because I feel like this whole movie... A couple months? I feel like the movie takes place really...

If you were to press me, six weeks total. No, there is a line of dialogue later in the movie where he says, where he's basically saying, he's accusing Lily Tomlin, not Lily Tomlin, amazing. He's accusing Lily Taylor, the character in the Olivia Thelma body. He's accusing her of not, because she's supposed to be looking for Sam.

Yes. Right. She's supposed, and he's going, where's Sam? Are you even looking for her anymore? I don't think you are. And he goes, it's been months. And I was like, it has? Yeah. It shouldn't be. She should not be able to succeed at taking over her daughter's life for months. But she's going to college. She's like, I think I want to apply to college. I'm like, what?

What the fuck is happening? But they also don't have set up that Lily Taylor was unhappy in her life. And she's like, I sacrificed my career for your career. They seem like they had a great life. Yes, she was hanging out with her laughing friends. Oh my God. They were laughing so much. They were laughing so hard. Bobo Halle Berry. Oh my God. I thought it was at first, and I was like, wow, what an era for her. But this movie took place during my senior year of high school, and I kept having to look at the... Wait, dude, how old are you?

I will never tell. How old are you right now? I will never be able to tell. It's because you're young, I'm saying. I'm 31. I just turned 31. You are one year younger than Olivia Threlby. Whoa. Hey guys, let's not go any further before I say that I did a play in New York with Olivia Threlby. Whoa, really? For Paul Weitz, who I did a movie with, wrote a play. You know she's sitting in an audition waiting room somewhere and Kristen Stewart walks in and she's like,

fuck. But by the way, I like Olivia Throbey and I think that she's very good. She's a good actor. She's good in this movie. The reason I bring it up is to say she was a great actor so I'm going to put it all on the, I mean really, we did hundreds of productions of this, I mean, you know, showings of the show. I don't think that anyone is doing a, especially her because she carries the weight of the film on her shoulders.

on her shoulders and an impossible, it's all tonal and writing. It's not good. And I thought she was, I thought she was great, especially at evoking a Lily Taylor vibe when she was Lily Taylor, which is for me, Lily Taylor is like from my high school era, say anything and, and all those movies. I loved Lily Taylor. And so, so like that,

Her voice and mannerisms, I feel like, have been a part of my life forever. And I felt like there were times where Olivia Thoroughby really leaned into it, and it was great. There were, like, three distinct performances, I think. Because there was, like, initial, like, Lily, and then there's, like, her as a teen. And then, like, there's weird melding after she, like, finds her groove, like, as a teenager again. It's, like, a very different performance, too. Oh, when she gets into yearbook and starts crushing on the yearbook. Oh, my God. That man busts.

I don't know how, but he got that part and he was swimming in it. I was like, is this, is she going to fuck this? Is this going to turn into a, she fucks a teacher movie? Wait, no. Was that a teacher or was that a student? I honestly couldn't tell. I thought it was a student. I honestly couldn't tell. Because the ages were so, like the guy who plays Ethan is like, I think I looked up his age. He would have been 30 when he filmed this. Okay.

I couldn't tell. It was so disorienting to figure out what the ages of any of these people were supposed to be. It's weird, and I think it walks this line of when you get into a movie...

where there are these incest overtones, you have to make sure that when people are doing sexual things, it doesn't feel too young. Like, it gets real... Like, how about the... Yeah, sorry. Yeah, it just gets weird. It's like, if Olivia Thirlby looked just a little bit younger, you'd be like, I can't take this on. Oh, you mean like when they're sleeping in bed together? Oh. And then they wake up, she makes them breakfast, and they go to the mother's funeral? Yeah, I...

All in one day? I was way more upset. I was way more upset seeing David Duchovny wrap his hand and her hand at the seafood restaurant. I was like, stop. Stop it. It was visceral. It was like... By the way, also testament to good performances, I guess. It was... I had a visceral reaction every time it got sexual. And it was straight disgust. It's like, if your daughter...

In that point, you think your daughter believes because of brain trauma that she is your wife. I don't think directly next to you in your marital bed is the best place to like...

put her on that first night? No, no, no. It was such a bonkers decision. By the way, why didn't anyone in the hospital go, hey, we want to keep her from psychiatric evaluation. Yeah, how about this? It's a smidge. Nobody, she's not in therapy. She doesn't have one scene where she talks to a therapist. She literally is, everybody just, the movie has to buy into that she's possessed by her mother's spirit such that nobody believes like mental health issues are happening.

Well, I also want to just call it one thing too, because I think Lily Taylor is a cool lady and she was a real square in this movie. She's like drugs, drugs. It's like, wait, all right, come on now. Cause Lily Taylor is like playing this character that is so freaked out by pot. And it's just, but then does special case. What is that? A cereal? No. And then I, I,

I guess maybe my understanding of Special K is different. Does it come in like an aspirin bottle like that? No, no, no. This is interesting because my dealer just started putting it in little dosers like that. And I thought it was new technology. And so when I saw it on this film from 2007, I said...

wow, the technology has not evolved. Where is the innovation in K? Well, that's the thing, because ketamine just was FDA approved to treat depression. A lot of people, yeah. A literal horse tranquilizer. Yes, his revolution is being shown to literally, their term, erase humanism.

hugely problematic depression, like really catastrophically depressed people. Ketamine is showing a huge impact in their lives and it is nasal sprays. Yeah. Wait, so walk me through something with that scene. I truly don't understand. He goes to the house of...

Oh, first of all, he's... Who owns that house? He's just wandering. He's just wandering. He says he bumps into the mom's friend. Yes. Who somehow know where they hang out. But it wasn't like they hang out at a pizza joint or something. 53 Booksy Avenue. What? It wouldn't even be like, oh, they hang out at Matt's house. No, no. 53 Booksy. Oh, you know where they hang out. And by the way, their kids are there. Their kids are like six.

Like they don't have other, they don't have kids at the same, that are the same. Like, oh, they're probably where my daughter hangs out at that like weird party house. No, they're like, I think she's with her friends probably. Well, you know, they hang out at whatever it is. 53 booklies. It's like, how do you, I would never refer to it like that. Like you would never. No. Okay. So he knows where they are.

pulls up at a mansion. Yeah. Instead of it being like some rundown place, it's, I guess, some mansion. Right. And then there's this whole thing where... Because it looks like they're in a cracked den the first time we see her hanging out there. So you think it's going to be, but it looks like maybe now it's just one of the parents. Yeah. Or, I don't know, one of the parents, one of the adults in the town just lets kids hang out in one of the rooms. So, like, we have this whole montage where he walks up to the room and

And he's going to open the door and you get the vibe he's there because she's being offered. I mean, she's never done pot. Now she's like, yeah, maybe I'll do special K. Yeah, special K. He walks up to the door. He's got his hand on the doorknob. Yeah. Then he's walking away. And then he walks away and she does the special K. I mean, like, so what was that all about? Is it like, I mean, this is where the movie is confusing. Like, does he want his wife to like.

Like, in my mind, is it sort of like, you know what? She's right. Yeah. I got to let her live this life. I got to let her go. And like, and almost let his daughter grow up, even though it's his wife. It's his wife. That's basically the story they're saying. They're basically like, oh, yeah.

That's what this is. Like her journey is just as applicable to her daughter's journey. They both need to grow up. They both need to experience life and live it and all this kind of stuff. And he, I guess, is like, well, maybe I'm going to let her have her experience. And then she starts screaming. This was actually one of the most affecting moments of the movie. And I was like, this is the kind of the movie that it should be is when the mother says in the body,

Olivia's body and she's like you know what fucking happens to me once I find Sam and it's like oh yeah that's a stake that they did not really explore until that moment and then they sort of let it go after that moment and you think they would have had that conversation at their romantic dinner or at any point like they are not in any

No one is checking in emotionally with any stakes. They're not talking. They're not having frank conversations. She finds her daughter's diary at one point in the locker, and it takes her weeks to read it. Oh, and then she's like reading it in the middle of... I would read the whole thing immediately. Yeah, very slowly, just sort of like... Just kind of like...

No, no, no. I want to savor it. Oh, yeah. It's like someone reading Ulysses. It's like Harry Potter. That's enough for today. Just a chapter book. I'm scared. What's going to happen to Hermione? Oh, infinite jest. I got to get through it, but it's going to take me a year. The only thing they really seem to talk about is sex. That's the only thing. And this is a little clip of a big fight where they're talking about being sad, happy, and horny. Here we go.

I'm talking to you like a child because you're acting like one. I'm not a child. I'm looking for my child. Do you realize that we had no idea who she was?

Maybe that's why she's gone, Ben. Maybe she just wanted us to understand her. And maybe this is what I have to do to get her back. You know what? You trusted her more than you trust me. That is not true. Yes, it is. You never used to interrogate her when she came home in the middle of the night. That's because you were always the one that did that. Who do you see standing in front of you? Who? Tell me. Stop. Stop asking me that. I don't know. I don't know. So you want me to live our daughter's life, but according to your rules? Yes.

Wow.

Oh my God. The party. By the way, I am starting, I don't want to, I just want to say this right now. So everyone knows I am going to be using that in my scene study classes. So I also love the secret when she was like, I've got 16 year old boys rubbing up against me all day. And I just like, like they're fucking feral cats. Yeah. High school party scene. I was like,

Again, I was like, oh, this could be such a cool thing if I was more dialed into that it's an adult woman who is falling down the ladder of drinking and partying. And it really just felt like a high school party scene, you know? Well, we talked about it, like, going, leaning into the comedy. Honestly, in that moment, I was like, wait, is this movie now going to turn into, like, a horror movie?

Yeah. Where the mom is like, no, I refuse to go. I want your life. I'm going to take this life. And I was like, that would be dope. Yes. I would love to watch that movie. If she fights off her daughter's attempts to return because she's like, I want to live your life. Yeah. I want to be young again. I'm addicted to this now. That's a movie I would watch where she's like, fuck, no. I'm going to live this life. You know, and like runs away. I think the one thing that we're not talking about, and it's the thing that disturbed me the most...

Why did her interest in photography wane when she was in the body of a 16-year-old? I really just wanted to see her pick up that camera. She did. She went for the yearbook. Yearbook. What are you talking about? I'm sorry. I may have missed that. All the candid shots that she was taking. Oh, you're right. Those were terrible candid shots. Oh, my God. Too close and confusing. One was just like a football.

in the air that was blurry. He's like, I want a picture of everybody for the yearbook so that everybody is represented. Half the pictures are like the side of someone's head. He's like, you're not going to use that. They established that she was bad because right at one point, like Olivia Theroux was like, and your pictures suck, man.

Fuck mom. Which was, that's. Except the guidance counselor's like, the pictures in your lobby are so beautiful. Who took them? And he goes, my wife did. And then she's like, I'm into your butt. I had an actor friend who, I hated this. He used to come into scenes and this is essentially, I think, I mean, I love Olivia, love her. It was probably the director's fault. But what she was doing with that

where she made it so teenage. Like more teenage than, because for 20 minutes I was going, why is this daughter like, every stare, you know, like the mom would be like, good morning. She's like, is it good morning, mom? Does everybody always have to be good?

We don't say that, Dad. We're not cool. This buddy of mine used to come into a scene whenever, you know, like the news is your dad's dead or something. So we'd come into the scene and I'd say, hey, I have to talk to you. And he'd be like, what's up, man? What do we have to talk about? Your dad said just so there'd be enough of a color change. Just some place to go. Yeah, exactly. But I thought it was so loaded up. She's like, you're all a piece of shit. I fucking hate the world. Then she's like, hey, I'm just...

A 40-year-old adult. To draw that line back to the friends and the teenagers, I think this is the director going, you know, let's embrace it. Play these archetypes. We've got to play big, big, big. Well, I felt the same about when she leaves with her friends and Duchovny and Lily Taylor at the beginning have their date night. Oh, yeah. Their date night consists of them telling each other the story of their lives. Yeah.

I'm like, how often do you sit with the person that you've been with for 17 years and be like, and then this happened, and then this happened, and then this happened. And they fuck with a menorah. Yeah, that was crazy. That was fucking crazy. It is like, we'll take the candle off, bro. But it's basically used to illustrate, so that later Olivia Thirlby can be like,

remember this and remember that. And he can be like, how would you know that? Did your mother tell you that? Right. But then she also goes, and every night you say your day doesn't begin until you see my eyes. It's like, wait, so...

His day doesn't begin until the end of the day because he doesn't see her at the beginning of the morning. Why don't you look at your fucking wife in the morning? He's seeing 15 patients a day. I was trying to do the math on that. He's seeing two people a half hour. His practice is booming in a tiny town. In that small a town, he would see max two people a day. Yeah. Can you guys do the teenagers right now? Just for people who haven't seen this, just...

I don't know how to describe, like, how would you describe what those teenagers are saying? They're going so off the, from the minute they open the door. They are laughing always. Chewing gum. Even when they're like, even though your mom is dead, they're like, oh my God, I'm sorry. And literally. Babe, babe, I love you. It's like, it's all caps. She comes back to school shell shocked. Yeah. And they are screaming in her face.

Screaming in her face. That's what I'm saying. Everyone in this movie lacks common sense. They are rattling. There's no empathy. No sympathy. That's so right. It really is. It's chaos. It was so jarring. They're so at an 11. And they're always together, these teens. And they're so bad. The teens, when they pop up, I'm like, what era are we in? Come on.

Because they seem like 80s, like Valley kids. They seem like... They seem to me like my so-called life, the friends from my so-called life. And also all of them 32 years old. Every single one of those. What was the movie with Katie Holmes? It was like a horror movie that was in high school. Oh, Disturbing Behavior? Yes, those were the friends. I think they might have been the same actors. They get hired as a group. That group, they get hired. They're repped together.

My favorite thing from the story of behavior is she keeps saying, that's so Razor. It's like that screenwriter's fetch was like, let's get Razor going. Let's do that. Yeah, that pot was so Razor. Speaking of Lily Taylor being such a square, at the beginning of the movie, she knocks on her door and she's like,

you're supposed to be studying, but the music's loud. And it's like, what? This doesn't have nothing to do with it. Well, she was doing, she was like helping Olivia out by playing the role that Olivia had to play, which is, by the way, this always, even in like big, this bugs me a little bit, which is, you know, one of my favorite movies, but you're like, the guy, the guy is like,

Like he's 13, the kid. Yeah. Like he's not, like 13 is like pretty mature. And then he goes, he grows big and he's five years old. Yeah. Just in a four-year-old's body. And that's kind of what they do. No, you gotta like, you gotta draw these lines. I was 17 again.

17. But that's a good one. Then she's like six. She's like, how does, you know, like you're 17. Yeah. And you don't know like how sex happens. But I think it's like, I think it's kind of like the actor wants to be like, I love being this naive. It's like the, you can tell it's like. Let me be an innocent. Yeah. Let me eat this up. Yeah. I love it.

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There is a lot to get to, and I just want to kind of hammer in on one point, which is Duchovny does not believe it. He thinks that his daughter, rightly so, is affected by...

You know, some sort of psychosis. There are so many things that are set up and never gone back to. To me, I'm like, well, clearly this movie is made by a foreign financier because the opening shot of the movie is him just looking in someone's eyes. It doesn't play into anything. It's sort of like, here's a non-essential part of this man working at his job that plays into nothingness.

nothing at all. It would have been such a better entrance of this character if you started with... So you're saying this is an indictment of the French? The French filmmaker? Don't you feel like... Drag them! But don't, no, but I mean, it's like, it's a weird way to open the movie because the movie has nothing to do with... Well, yeah, you would think...

think that yes I agree because you would think that the eyes are the window to the soul you would think that somehow that was going to play into it a what lies beneath sort of thing where like the eyes change like depending on who's controlling the body he scoops her eyes out and replaces them with the eyes of Lily Taylor's corpse but yet

All you're seeing in that opening scene is just a normal eye exam that plays into nothing else. And he's not... You think he's going to be, like, gross and, like, cheatery or something, too? Well, because he's the company. Well, but it's also, like, really darkly lit. Like, it's kind of like a sexy optetrician's office. He is, though. We should say... Okay, just for people who haven't seen it, the chronology is his wife...

Goes into the body of his daughter. So either his wife or his daughter are dead. Right. One of the two. And then about a week later has a crazy dalliance with this –

with her guidance counselor. Right. Like literally, like almost that quickly. Because he's so horny, so pissed off. All he wants to do is fuck his 16 year old daughter, but he can't. It's been two weeks since he fucked the wife. Why doesn't he say to her, babe, of course I want to have sex with you. Of course. But when you go away and Sam comes back, then I will have fucked her. And she won't remember. And guess what?

I will. I will remember fucking Sam's body. It's just so crazy how little she seems to think about... When she again walks in on him wearing a t-shirt and no bottoms, the thing that we all do. I never do that. No one does. Why would anybody ever wear just a shirt and no bottoms? Forgot to put on my undies, got my shirt though. And guess what I'm not doing? Putting my shirt on first.

button up for her to be like it's just me and it's like yes you've been in this situation for a minute like think about where you are you're in your daughter's body there should be a scene ten minutes in where they're like okay here are the rules no fucking instead you get this scene

Oh, boy. Wow. Again. Again. These two people, these two people have lost their daughter.

Yes. These two people, the two people in this movie have lost their daughter. Never a moment to grieve. They never engage in any grief, in any kind of, they are, the movie is about two people. You could say that the movie is about two people who are in active denial that their daughter has died.

It's like these two people are so selfish. They're like, this wrecks our sex life. It's all about us. Our daughter dying is really crimping our fuck time. Yes. It's like I got to get fucking laid. And like this whole dead daughter situation is really like blowing it for me because my wife's psyche is in my hot daughter's bod. Also, if I was the guidance counselor...

And you went up to a student that is one that you clearly have an existing relationship with. And the bitch is like, yeah, who are you again? I'd be like, go home. Yeah. You're clearly not a therapist. But instead of saying go home, she goes, I'm going to go hit on your hot. And meanwhile, but that, but her friends who are like so into it, like they had to be so high energy. So when she goes, what's my,

What's my locker combination? They're like, you don't remember? It's your dad's birthday. Oh my God. And they basically are like, why is it your dad's birthday? And why would she tell people that? Yeah. My dad's birthday. I've never used my dad's birthday for anything. Hey, what's your locker combination? That's what I'm saying. Like they're all sitting at lunch being like, hey, what's your locker combination? Mine's my dad's birthday. What'd you choose? What?

That's not a conversation. All teenage girls try to figure out what their dad's birthday is. Like, yeah, my dad's birthday, 5-19-47. You know what? I'll do your dad's birthday and you do my dad's birthday. Daddy's have the best birthdays. Do you think that Olivia Thirlby did have something for her dad? No! Okay. No. No.

I do. Also, my favorite character is the teacher who's like, bitch, I know your mom just died, but I'm not going to coddle you like your other teachers. And it's like, it gives her a C. A C! And then comments on our handwriting? Yes! Oh, yeah, that was interesting. See, that was,

I was like, there were more, I kept thinking the movie was going to be a different movie. And so that's when I was like, Ooh, somebody's onto that. Because the idea of it being a secret was so like, it's called the secret. He says, let's keep this a secret. I was like, Ooh, people are going to have to get on the trail. They get on their trail. Like when they were holding hands at the restaurant in small town, Massachusetts, I was like, of course, somebody's going to come and see them and be like, uh,

Ben? Sam? What's going on? And why do you guys look like you're a bunch of French? But no, nobody ever sees them. They only have their fights in public. They literally get into a moment, they're like, let's go supermarket shopping. Okay. They're arguing in a supermarket. No less than three scenes where they both get quiet and look at someone looking at them. Who's overhearing them. She's like...

I'm having sex with multiple people. And like the girls in the bathroom were like, uh-oh. And he's like, you're having sex? And his patient is like, uh-oh. Oh, that sex scene thing. Like, why does she think multiple? I guess because she's unclear about the role play at that point. Well, no, she's clearly fucking Justin. Right. And Ethan. And Ethan. Oh, was she fucking Ethan?

I think so. He says, I want it to be like we were before so we can be together. I kind of got a vibe like he was that loser who she should have been with. No, because he kisses her on the mouth. Casually. But that's a bold move to get a tattoo of the guy that you're casually dating in high school. Yeah. The guy you're cheating with. Was it real tattoo or it looked like sharpie to me? I don't know. The way I looked at it, it also looked like it was just...

Like, like almost like this. Just in like almost like it's just in what's that? What's that store in the mall? It looks like journeys or. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. It has a real weird font to it. It's a, but it looks like it was homemade. Um,

It definitely looks homemade. It's like, there are so many things that are not followed through on to like the idea that like that Ethan kisses her on the mouth when she comes back to school. Right. And he's like, I missed you and blah, blah, blah. Like, I feel like there should be a scene with her into company where she's like, I cheated on you today. I made out with an underage boy. Something's wrong. Like I'm, I'm, I'm out in these streets committing hate crimes. Like, I don't know what's up. Do you think in the French version they did fuck? I,

I hope so. A million percent. Because I do feel like that scene where she's playing the record for him, like you were like, they kind of just fade out. They fade out. And I'm like, did they, like, they don't give you an end to it. Like they definitely didn't. Maybe they did some stuff. There's a bunch of times where like, they basically have been drinking. They go to bed together and it fades to black. I just don't. My assumption is they are fucking. Maybe they didn't fuck, but they did some like over the clothes stuff and like, yeah, some stuff. It's,

almost unwatchable in like, you can't even get connected into the love story of it because I think every time you do, you're like, it's like, it's like, it's like, yes, it's underage. You got that. But it's also incest. Let's try to remove incest. I understand what you're doing. I have less of the problem. It's less of a problem with the incest than it is the age difference. Like say it was, she goes into the body of an older cousin and,

That I think I would have been totally game for. Well, let me ask you this. What if in the movie, what if in the movie it's him and Lily Taylor, Lily Taylor gets bonked on the head and thinks she's 16 years old and like doesn't know him. Right. It's, oh, that's overboard. Yeah.

Another movie that is like dangerously inappropriate in terms of like... Well, Overboard 1 is like completely wrong. Correct. Overboard 2 may have corrected it a little bit. I don't know. I didn't see Overboard 2 still overboard. Um...

But here's my question. Can't help but keep on going overboard? What's that? Am I on board? Gotta get overboard. See you later. Sploosh. But this is like a comedic premise. In a comedy, you would kind of laugh and be like, oh, that's funny. Yes. Weird thing. But when it's a drama, you're like, oh.

Oh, fuck. No, this is... Why? Every time, and I wrote it every time in my notes, like, when every time, like, the movie cuts to... The movie is basically a series of cuts to the next time they almost fuck. Every new scene is the next time they almost fuck.

That's all they're interested in telling about the movie, basically. It doesn't really get... The tension doesn't change. It is a series of lateral moves across the board. The tension and the chemistry does not change from scene to scene. It is just the same scene. And they do nothing to affect change. Once they settle into, he's back at work looking at eyeballs, and she's in school, they're basically, I guess this is the movie now. Until the end where it just fixes itself. But no, it's... This movie...

It's clear why it seemingly didn't come out in the theater or really. So you know what's crazy? So I was working at Family Video at the time when this movie came out. And I remember this DVD cover. Because when I was looking for it today and I finally scrolled across it, it brought back.

Because I only really, I especially remember the ones where we'd only get like two copies of it and it would be on the new release wall and I'd be like, what the fuck is this? Wait, so what did you think it was all these years? Just because I thought it was a horror movie because it's just going on the front. That's what I thought it was going to be. And it feels like it's trying to be like a sexual horror film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let me tell you. But it shouldn't be. No. It should not be. Although David Duchovny does look like he's wearing a mask of his own face. Yeah.

especially in that crime scene. Not a lot of people know this. He is. There are a couple moments where David Duchovny just, I guess, maybe got to set late and didn't go through hair because there's like his hair sometimes very coiffed and other times it's like, yeah, it just down. It looks like he's his own Madame Tussauds statue that just got roughed up.

you know or brought to life well alright clearly we have an opinion this movie begins with a lightning strike at Madame Tussauds alright so it's a Madame Tussauds dummy but it's an underage dummy now keep in mind it can't be incest he's a wax figure by the way we're talking about mannequin now oh yeah

Jesus Christ. What is wrong? How have all of these movies actually been made? Obviously we have an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for Second Opinions. The movie was a piece of shit, yet this person recommends it. Tell me what is the message? That art is subjective.

I need a second opinion. All right, second opinions. These are five-star reviews called from Amazon.com. There are 61 reviews for this film. 35% of these reviews are five stars, meaning it is the best version of this film. And they're so...

So many of them. Really? Yeah, I mean, this one from Lisa M. Prince is just simply titled, I'm amazed that Olivia Threlby didn't bag an Oscar for this. That's a five-star review. I thought she was great. She was great, but I don't think she should have quote-unquote bagged an Oscar. Bagged an Oscar.

Like in the big hunt. Yeah, this is... Like she's hemming way out there trying to bag an elephant. This one is written by Blas D. Polgavardal. And this was written back in 2010. And he simply writes, it's a good movie, especially if you pay less than five bucks for it.

Five stars. So on a value level, it's a five star review. This one here from Florence M. Herrera. The title is Weird and writes, very different kind of movie. If you like weird movies about the dead coming back, you'll like this one.

Five bars. Jesus. If you like weird movies about the dead coming back, come on. Okay. And Jay Ortez writes, I'm rather surprised at the reviews. I thought the acting was completely solid. You knew when it was the mother and when it was the daughter. And I must admit I was nervous about the couple consummating since it was known beforehand that the girl would come back to inhabit the body. Yeah.

But other than that, it was great. Although it is a little reminiscent of Freaky Friday, but smarter. I enjoyed the movie. Five stars. Paul, you actually made a great point that I'm sitting with right now, which is any high-concept movie, if not done as a comedy, is disturbing. Yes. Oh, yeah. Right? And that's what this is, basically. Like, Freaky Friday, done the right way, you go, this is, you know, terrible. Oh, yeah. She's fucking the dad and, you know, whatever. Yeah, if you play it for laughs, you get...

so much more out of it. But if you play for seriously, like... If you miss it, and if this pitch wasn't, I hope it was, Sexy Freaky Friday. Yeah. Like, I mean, like, you're a monster. Well, the, um, does anyone want to, not to put anybody on the spot, uh, does anyone want to guess what the tagline for this movie is? Oh, God. Oh.

All right, so it's an incest body switch movie. I like Sexy Freaky Friday. I think it's pretty much on the nose. Don't tell your mother. Oh, no. Ooh, I like where you're going.

It's a secret movie. None of you will guess what it is, but it is sometimes a gift can be a curse. Ew. What's the gift? The gift of life? Ew, that's not a gift. That's no. The answer's no to that. I wish I had any numbers on this movie. I don't know what the budget is. I was going to say, did it have a theatrical release at all? It did not. It came out in 2007. The top three films of 2007, Spider-Man 3,

Shrek's the third, and Transformers. So, you know, this is a movie that is of our time. Joel, you were... I mean, you saw this movie come to the video store. I mean, that probably was the release of this film. So it was straight to video. That's what we think, yeah. Nate Kiley, who does all of our research and is ever...

great at getting little details couldn't find anything about this movie which is I actually was nervous last night I was like I should maybe text everybody this movie is hard to find because it really is like when you even type in the secret on Amazon you have to scroll down I almost texted I actually almost emailed you because I woke up early to watch it this morning furious agreed same and

I was like, I could not find it. I was watching it, finishing it on the drive over here. And I was like, if I get into a car accident because I'm watching this terrible movie while I'm driving. And then you switch personalities with me. Now that's a movie. The How Did This Get Made movie. I will say about this movie, and you may all disagree.

It moved quickly. Yeah. When I would hit this... Disagree. Disagree. This felt like it was 18 hours long. I know you guys do this regularly. That first... You're right. That first 15 minutes was a brutal crawl, but then I was like, oh, fine. Versus Dragonblade...

Which I was like, every time I paused, only six minutes had passed. Well, that's like, when I first hit the pause button the first time, it was 20 minutes. That normally is an eternity for me. No, no, I agree. I have a question. So Jason, if you died in a car accident and switched bodies with Paul, would you fuck his kids? Now, Jason, think about it. That's the question. Think about it, okay? Joe, thank you. Great question.

Does anyone have any final thoughts about the film? Any final thoughts? I think they should have just slipped it in with the X-Files episodes because it kind of has a vibe. Oh, yeah. That would have been a great way to release it and, you know, cut it down, make it an hour long. If Scully switched with like a young girl, it would have been a great episode. That would have been a way to keep Gillian Anderson on the show. You could add like... Oh, like... Yeah, Olivia Thirlby plays her for the rest of the thing. I'm into that. Yeah.

All around the board, I want to say that I feel like when pitched to you as an actor, this is cool. I like this concept. And then you feel that everyone's kind of wrestling with the weight of it once they're dealing with it on screen. Yeah, I felt like, you know, the script maybe would have read away or whatever. But at the point where they were shooting some of these scenes, I think everybody must have been like, whoa, wait a minute. What are we doing here?

I did love the scene where Olivia Thirlby puts in...

or is watching the videotape of her talking to herself. Completely accepts it with no setup. No setup. Just fully accepts it immediately. This daughter is traumatized. She wakes up and like there's a tape to watch and the tape is herself saying like, hi honey, it's me. It's as if this movie didn't understand transitions. Like they couldn't just be like, and here's a couple of days later, like I'm glad you're happy and back in your body now. I want to show you something. It's going to be upsetting. No, they're like, no, we got to do it all in one take. Everything was like a one-er. It's like,

You're back. Here's the tape. Your mom's dead. It's like my life, but different. Go for it. Where did they go in that penultimate scene before she switches back with her permanently? They're on a ledge. I thought the copy was going to kill himself because he's like, you know what? I can't have this life. And she's sensually dancing on his back. Yeah. It's like-

Like, it's such a strange. I was going to ask about that. Like, what is the setting? Why did they go there for this scene? Why are they at this weird lighthouse or whatever they are? The movie is so weird. This movie is straight up weird. I kind of do. I want to look at the runtime of the French movie because if it's not that long, I might. I feel like the French movie I bet would be longer and just would have more stuff in it, you know? Like, because I felt like just through sheer logic, the movie should have given us antagonists.

That's crazy when you brought that up. I realize that. I disagree with you. I don't think...

anyone on set had a question I think this movie is just dripping with confidence I think you're probably right like what you're talking about when she's caressing him and he's reading her diary I think they're going like we're basically changing the game yeah you're probably guys I feel like they were probably like no this is like an Adrian Lyle movie I actually had that exact thought like literally they kind of were trying to do that music and stuff I want to correct you all and tell you something I just found out

It's not a French film it's based on. It's a Japanese film. A 1999 Japanese fantasy horror romance film directed by Yojiro Takata. And it's based on the novel Nako by Kigo Kiyosaki.

Hell, I'm going to mispronounce these names. Anyway... Honestly, the Japanese famously are known as the French of the East. But it's a French film. Here's what I'm going to say. So it's a French film. So it seems like it's a Japanese film... Wait, it's a French film? That was financed by... A Japanese story. A remake of a Japanese movie by a Frenchman...

for like finance by yeah so I think this is a French film it is a French film see there's the poster for it so it is a French Japanese wait this movie is a French movie The Secret The Secret is a French film I see I see The Secret is a French film based on a Japanese film based on a Japanese film or a Japanese book

A Japanese book that became a film that then became a French movie that then was released in the United States. Oh, wow. I get what it is. It's been translated too many times. It's like a game of telephone because every line kind of sounds like a thing. I still blame the French. I bet you what these people thought was it's going to be subtitled. No one will know and it will work. It will be fine. Oh, that's so interesting. So it came out in France.

All right. So there we go. It was a big movie there. I'm so confused. Well, if they are, if they come out in, well, because they just released it here. I'm so confused. Cause it's not a French movie. It is a French movie in, in French language. No, it's an English language, French film. Okay. So is it French? Yeah. I was going to say, is it Canadian?

I mean, but Himitsu is, it seems like a more of a bigger hit. And that movie is two hours. The Japanese film is two hours. I don't know about that. But it won, it won best actress, best screenplay and nominated for best film in the Stiggs Film Festival. Can I tell you a crazy thing? Yeah. I did this internet film by Drake Dremis. Okay. He's a great filmmaker. Then I guess the rights of that got bought in Korea. Yeah.

And became one of the biggest films in Korea. Whoa. Your film or a Korean remake of your film? Drake Dremis' film. I have a part in it. Mary Elizabeth Winstead's in it. Great. It was a great thing. It happened to live on the internet. They bought the rights. It became this huge film in Korea. And then I was just at the Golden Globes this year and some agent's like, yeah, we have Emilia Clarke in the remake of this Korean film. And I was like, wait, I...

I think I was like, but they're not doing our version. They're adapting the version from Korea. That's so weird. That's so interesting. And also like Marilyn Winstead was like, wait, what? You're doing? I played that. That's so weird. Yeah. But no one does the research. This is more research than anyone did. What you did on this project. Yeah. There it is. More research than anyone did. And here's a clip from Himitsu. Let's see. Congratulations.

She's getting married in this. She's got a bridal gown on. Oh my gosh. He's giving his daughter away. That's spoiler alert. His daughter, who's his wife. Yes. And she's crying. This is a very emotional moment. What a great ending. That's so great. Wait a minute. Is it the ending? Yes.

She's really... Okay, so spoiler alert. That's the hardest when you have to give your daughter away, but she's your wife. Yeah. Oh, I love that. That's actually amazing. I love that. I actually want to seek out this movie. There is something wild about having to say goodbye to your wife's daughter. Wait, so then the daughter in this version is older then. Yes. Totally fuckable. This is just a Japanese remake of Father of the Bride. Ha ha ha ha!

It's just they changed it a little bit. Oh, man. This is a roller coaster. This is really, wow. Okay, well, so at the beginning of the episode, I promised you that we would hear from June. We are now alone. Topher and Joel are not here. Jason, June, and I are here. June, I know you didn't watch this movie. No.

I want to get your take on it, Jason. We could probably walk her through it a little bit, right? Yeah. I mean, okay. Hold on, hold on. This isn't a movie based on the book. Correct, no. Although that's what I thought too. So much so, and we talk about it in the episode, we all had trouble actually finding this movie to watch because it's A, not very much available, and even if you...

Google the secret movie, only the movie based on the book The Secret shows up. So much so that this almost was like nobody could find it. This is a movie. You couldn't like positively think it into existence. Correct. You couldn't secret it. Or did The Secret unsecret The Secret? I put it on a vision board. I made a vision board to get to find this movie, The Secret, starring David Duchovny. So here's the setup of the movie June. Yeah.

David Duchovny is married to Lily Taylor. Love that. Okay. Interesting. Okay. They've got a daughter. They are in love. He is an eye doctor. Yes. They are in love. Okay. They have a daughter played by Olivia Thirlby. How lovely. Yeah. Mother and daughter are, their relationship is a little fraught. We don't know why. As a teenage mother-daughter relationship often is. Because Olivia Thirlby is like in high school. Right. Okay. Okay.

It's fraught, but in a normal suburban mother-daughter way. It seems to me that Olivia Throbey is a little bit harsher on the mon that she needs to be. Yes, but no- As most of us teenage girls are. Exactly. No more so than what you would expect from teen drama and angst. Okay.

Olivia Thirlby and Lily Taylor go on a trip. They are in a car accident. Car accident. Oh, no. They are put side by side in a hospital and are holding hands when Lily Taylor dies. Yes. Oh, God. When Olivia Thirlby wakes up in the hospital from a coma, Lily Taylor's persona is in her body. Is in her daughter's body. And Lily wakes up.

now in the daughter's body, wants to have sex with David Duchovny. Keeps wanting to fuck Duchovny. No. And keeps trying to get, she keeps getting, so there are scenes, the rest of the, listen up, the rest of the movie, June, is David Duchovny, with the actress playing his daughter, in an erotic thriller. No.

And she's trying to seduce him. She keeps getting drunk and trying to have sex with him. And she's like, look at my body now. Look at my body. Look how beautiful I am. I am a 40-year-old woman in an 18-year-old body. And it's his daughter. I have said no to this. She seems unwilling to understand why he's reluctant. But he's tempted. Okay.

There's a reason why this movie has been banished. Yes. Banished. Yeah. From the lexicon. It should not, it has been, someone saw it and said, this has,

This must be put to bed. It's a crazy concept. Here's the thing. Here's my question. Does Lily Taylor, if she's still Lily Taylor as she was before she died, isn't she still a mother then? Doesn't she know? Yeah, but the mother's kind of psyched to be like, I can finally do it all over again. I'm 18. Oh, I'm sorry. What about her daughter? That's what I don't understand. She doesn't care. I want you to watch this movie. I may have to see this. This might be a fun movie.

a reason to have a... I may have to see this. Can I please play you a clip? This is a clip from the movie I just wanted to play for you just so you can hear it. Oh, so good, Paul. Do you remember what it was like to feel happy and sad and horny all in the same second? What? Do you know what this is like for me to have all these hormones raging through my body all the time? I'm not just living Sam's life. I'm feeling it, only I can't fucking get laid and I'm married. I know the fucking feeling! I know the fucking feeling!

I just needed to watch. June now is in complete shock. June is melting down. I'll post a picture of her reaction to this scene. We might have to do a second episode. What? June, that is scratching the surface of this movie. Wait a second.

Wait a second. So she's saying she is Lily Taylor as a 40-something-year-old woman. But Olivia Thirlby is saying all these things. I understand that. Yes, of course. But she's saying that inside of her, her persona is Lily Taylor, but infused with the hormones? She's in an 18-year-old's body. She's still 18. She's experiencing the experiences of hormonal... But this is where this falls apart, though. If you're going to do a body...

like body occupation movie, then it doesn't matter what the body is doing. It's all about just like being the persona. But this movie is positing a world in which actually like you're not just the persona. You're also the body. Yeah. Well, let me throw this to you. Could you understand David Duchovny's position? Yeah.

Keep in mind, it's David Duchovny. I am dead. I've passed on. That's what's so interesting for him to do this role, knowing what we know about him. Yes. If I've died and passed on, and I embodied our child. Paul, I don't even. I agree. I don't. This is. I am going to tell you. This is turning me on. Not.

I will not go down this road with you. I will not do this exercise with you. Let's tease this out. We have a 40-year-old and a two-year-old. I will not be doing this exercise. The crazy thing about Duchovny is like we know as a society, as a culture, he has trouble saying no. And in the movie, that is palpable. Yeah.

But it's also like she is going hard at him. She is coming in drunk in lingerie, is like trying to seduce him actively throughout the movie and will not give it up that it's strange that she's doing that. This is the problem I have with it too is it's as though she was in like the hormonal body of a 16-year-old boy. Like actually 16-year-old girls are not like horny to fuck. They're just not. Like 16-year-old girls have –

Hormones, of course. But women's sexual prime is not when they're 16. Sure. So it's also like if she is being ruled by the body of a hormonal 16-year-old girl, it wouldn't be doing this.

Well, not according to this movie. I think in her mind, she's got the mind of a 40-year-old, but her body's also giving her a lot of stuff, too. Because she looks at her ass a lot, and she's like, oh, my God, this ass is so smooth. Oh, she also has a full tattoo on her ass of the name Justin.

Why? As in beeper? No. It's guy. So June, based on all that we've told you, because we have to wrap this up. I think I'm going to need to see this. Oh, okay. Boom. Second app. We're going to have to do a second app. We need to talk to you about it. All right. So June, you've thrown down the gauntlet to yourself. All right. That was June.

And now let's get back to our guest. Topher, you have a brand new podcast that I'm on. Paul, you were on it. You were one of our favorite episodes. You're unbelievable. Seriously, tell them what you did. Well, first of all, I think this podcast is really good. I feel like there's a lot of podcasts out there that feel like they're kind of in the same kind of categories. And you're doing something different. It's called Minor Adventures with Topher Grace. And-

every episode you're doing an adventure with your guest. Right, so it's like an in-studio mini-adventure. The first one is Whitney Cummings, and we hook her up to a lie detector test. You came in, we did telemarketing. Yes, we learned from a telemarketer how to be effective telemarketers, and then he gave us a bunch of leads. Oh, interesting.

And he set up his fancy computer. Oh, that's funny. And then Topher and I competed in trying to sell this celebrity event a bowling tournament. It was unbelievable. I mean, you were hilarious. You were great. But also, the thing is so hilarious, even if you don't have funny people doing it, just the people pick up the phone. They're kind of like, I want you to be taken off your list. Everyone's so mad. For a lot of people, that's just a job. It's not a job.

Fair enough. There's one really crazy adventure where we work at Blockbuster or Barnes & Noble and you have to scan things and you got to get money from people. But you did it. The one that I'm so curious to hear is you had a singer-songwriter come on and you guys wrote a song? Yeah, we had one of the number one pop songwriters come on and we wrote this song. I had Lewis Howes, who also has a podcast on, and

What's great is that the guests, whoever it is, we've had great guests like you, Paul, come in. Whoever it is, they don't know what they're going to be doing. Right. Oh, that's a surprise. So, like, Lewis is very confident, you know, comes from sports. And then when I said, like, hey, we're going to be, you know, we have the biggest pop songwriter who's written songs for Beyonce coming in. You saw, like...

Yeah. There's a whole new angle on whoever the guest is. And we've had, what else have we done? Who else has been on the, who else do you have coming up on the show? We did Reiki with Jillian Bell and we just did beatboxing with Chrissy Metz. It's kind of awesome. That's cool. All over the place. So you can find it wherever podcasts are listened to. It's called Minor Adventures and it's out now. And I believe that, uh,

This is going to time out so your episode is this week. All right. So hopefully you can go get it right now. I am very excited to hear it all come together. But it was really fun and incredibly stressful. Well, the best was it was a competition. We said if you get their email, it's one point. If you get this commitment of money, it's this one. They signed up for the event. And so it got like really competitive. Trying to sell a bowling, a bowling, a charity bowling event where we had to kind of lie and say that celebrities were going to be there. No, Paul, that's not how it went. I was shocked.

I was trying to sell this thing the way the script that he gave us and then Paul went on his fucking phone which I didn't see in between the breaks and then started talking first of all he sounds so nice Paul's such a nice boy you know he's like the guy you want to bring home on the phone and he's like you want to body switch with me so you can fuck my brains out yeah

So like he gets on the phone with this guy. I've been saying like, hey, do you want to come to a bowling event for charity? And I'm having no luck. And then Paul gets on. He's like, have you heard of pins in studio cities? Anyway, Justin Bieber has been, Selena Gomez. I looked at all those people who've ever been to pins and I started listening. I was like, yeah. Anyway, we're doing this event. And the first guy's like, okay, yeah, that sounds like really interesting. Like how much is it? You got it. And like he basically. Because it just sounded like, hey, you want to go hang out with Justin Bieber? It sounds like those people are going to be there. What a great scam. They have been there.

And you guys are now, you and Topher are riding around in a car all the time together in case you get an accident. Yeah, we're hoping for a body switch. Don't tell June. Joel, you are amazing. I actually just worked with you on a brand new series for Comedy Central called Unsend. The first three episodes are up right now. You just go to YouTube, type in Unsend. So, so funny. I know you're also in Trill. Yeah.

Tell us where people can find you. Yeah, I'm at I Hate Joel Kim on all the places. So I guess watch Big Mouth. I'm a writer on that show. And Shrill is out on Hulu now. And I have played a very small part, but it's such a great show. And I...

I want everyone to see it. And, um, you get to see my ass in it. First nudity. First nudity. Get that tush on that show. I know. So now, um, I truly have been sending it out with reckless abandon at this point on all the apps. So yeah, uh, do that and follow me online. And, um, yeah, if you follow me, I, I am, I have a bunch of dates in April in different cities, but I can't remember. And I, I won't be looking them up. Um,

Oh, sorry. Jason, I was just going to ask you. Oh, no. I'm good. John Wick 3 comes out in a month or less, somewhere around there. Very excited about that. So we'll see. And then... He's still going. Oh, yeah. He's still mad. Oh, yeah. He's got to finish up what he's... He's got to kill everybody, guys. He's got to kill everybody in the world. Oh.

thank you guys so much for being here. All right, people, uh, you can watch black Monday all on demand right now. All 10 episodes are up. It's four hours all total. So you can just sit back and binge on that really quickly. Also pick up my comic book, uh, cosmic ghostwriter destroys Marvel history issue two out on the stands right now. It's all about Spider-Man and venom and cosmic ghostwriter. I think you really like it. The art is by Todd. Now he's amazing. And, uh, it's, it's really fun. And also, uh,

definitely check out unsend, which we're giving a double plug to, but enjoy unsend, which you can just watch, uh, on YouTube, just type in unsend and a big thank you to everybody who makes this show possible. Engineer Devin in the booth and in the room, uh, our producer Cody and Kelly, who are always, uh, fantastic to have here. Uh,

the person who found this movie, Avril Haley, always finding these gems, uh, the hardest gems to find. Didn't even know this movie existed. You can follow her, uh, on Movie Bitches, on YouTube, and on Twitter. They're always putting up great content. Nate Kiley, who does our research, even though there was no research to be found, he found something. And he's a new dad. Congratulations, Nate, and his family. Uh, also, uh,

Kyle Waldron, who does all of our great art on our How Did This Get Made Instagram page, which is HDTGM on Instagram. Make sure you follow us on our mailing list by signing up at HDTGMImfo.com. And just a reminder, if you want to continue the conversation about this movie, and I know you do, or you just want to ask me questions about your life, I will answer them all. Just give us a call at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That's 619-Paul-Ask.com.

We take calls on our mini episodes. They're really, really fun. But that's it for now. Join us next week as we tell you what you need to watch and what we might have missed right here. Ooh, spooky. All right. See you next time. Bye for now. I'm just gonna be here now.

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