Re-Release: Face/Off LIVE! (w/ Randall Park)
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Hello, people of Earth! This week, we are taking a Thanksgiving holiday break from Last Looks, and instead, we are re-releasing a How Did This Get Made classic episode on one of the best movies of all time. Well, I should say, one of the best movies about face-swapping ever made. That's right, it's the best movie ever made.

You've already clicked play, so you know that I am talking about the 1997 action thriller Face Off. We are joined in this episode by special guest Randall Park, and you will soon be hearing us discuss Nick Cage's tongue suck, face waterfalls, and so much more. Now, there is no last looks today, so I wanted to make sure that you could still prep for our next new movie episode. Next week, we'll be kicking off the holiday season with the 2009 made-for-TV movie The Dog Who Saved

Christmas. Oh, I cannot wait. I cannot wait for you to watch us. It stars Dean Cain. Mario Lopez is the dog. Yeah. There are no reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, but there are five sequels. Okay. Uh,

Oh, I know what you're in store for. Let's go to Letterboxd because Letterboxd gives us a little taste of what we're in store for. Caitlin writes, it's home alone, but if Kevin was a dog. And Ellie comments, I missed the first 20 minutes to go in the shower and now I realize I should have stayed in the shower. You can stream the dog who saved Christmas on Peacock, Freebie, Tubi, the Roku channel, and Pluto TV, or just rent it on Amazon.com.

Get into it. Get into the holiday spirit. And if you have any corrections and omissions for our last episode on munchies, don't worry. We'll cover munchies and the dog who saved Christmas in our next last looks episode. You can still submit corrections and omissions on our Discord at discord.gg slash hdtgm or leave us a voicemail by calling 619-Paul-Ask. Remember, I am in...

A holiday movie. Bring me home for the holidays. I am in this movie called Family Switch on Netflix. Check it out. It premieres November 30th. I think you'll like it. It's good for the whole family. And now enjoy Face Off. Arguably the best movie about face switching ever made. We saw Face Off, so you know what that means. Really?

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People of Largo, welcome to another live audition of How Did This Get Made?

We are very excited to be here in our Los Angeles home at the Largo at the Cornette Theater, which is a great place. If you're in L.A., go see shows there. If you're not from L.A. and you visit L.A., come see shit that happens here. Literally, crazy shows with amazing people. I don't know when you're listening to this, but just Google it, and you'll be like, oh, fuck, that happened? I could have seen that? Yeah. It's crazy. Really cool stuff. So...

Definitely do that. Now, please, without any further ado, let me introduce my co-host, Jason Manzoukas. What's up, jerk? Welcome. Welcome, welcome, Jason. This movie has been our biggest argument. Should we do this movie? Should we not do this movie? And the audience decided the last time we did a live show that we should do this movie. Yes, and I conceded that I would do it.

And I am here to say it is just as fucking awesome as I remembered it being. So as I said at Con Air, this should be called Thank God This Was Made because this movie is fucking rad. So you know where Jason stands. Um...

It wouldn't be a live show if one of our members wasn't here, and that's what's happening tonight. June is not here. Unfortunately, our beautiful baby has a temperature. Yes, thank you. And thank you for acting like that's the first time I've given you that information.

We do a pre-show, and the audience is aware, but they really played along for you, the listeners at home. Look at how hard they're working for you. Hot crowd. Hot crowd. Hot crowd. So June will be joining us midstream to give her thoughts, her feelings. I can just tease it by saying that she had no idea what this movie was about. And literally turned to me and said, is this really happening? So...

Without any further ado, we have a very special guest tonight. Please welcome Randall Park! Welcome, Randall. Oh, yeah, please, right there. Come on. Sit down. Hey, everybody. Welcome, Randall. Hey. So exciting. So excited to have you on the show. Thanks for having me. This movie was so horrible. Horribly great. So incredible, too. Horribly great? Yes, yes. It was incredible. This is what I'll say about this movie right now.

From the get-go. And it's now proven in some of my notes. A lot of it has been improvised. Like, Nick Cage and John Travolta, like, threw away the script and just improvised. Wait, but there was a script? Yes.

And by the way, the screenwriters do the DVD commentary. We'll be playing a couple of clips from that as they kind of tackle some of the questions here. So if you don't know, for those of you who've never seen Face Off, and you should, it's about a criminal and a cop who switch faces. This is a movie.

This is a movie. Guys, this fucking movie is great. This is a movie that begins with the murder of a child. This movie begins with Nicolas Cage shooting a child with a sniper rifle and only gets better.

It was a mistake. It was a mistake. He did not mean to shoot the child. He meant to shoot Travolta and went through him. Into his child's head. That's where this movie starts. And by the way, there's a couple things about this. For those of you in L.A., it seems to me that they're at Griffith Park. They are. Which is a very open kind of family park. And Nicolas Cage seems about 50 feet away from...

On like a grassy knoll. On a grassy knoll, he has a tarp over his sniper rifle, which I don't understand why, because he's very prominently seen, because he's smoking and standing next to it. He's not in the grass. He's not in anything that I know of. Which means, at some point, he set up that sniper rifle. He assembled it in full view of people who were probably like throwing a fucking frisbee to a dog wearing a bandana.

You know, and he's like... Putting it together. And then shoots a child. And then, guys, he shoots a child, and the movie begins. The cold open is in fantasy. I, um... For the audience here, I've just put up... I put up... By the way, this is a... This is the official police report. Yes. This is the damage report. Carousel sniper victim...

Murdered 9 September 1991. Now, may I read this? Please. This is what the police file says on the computer. This is what the police wrote in the computer about this child's murder that begins this movie. And after this, I want to remind you, this movie is great. The...

The police report doesn't even have, like, a death scene photo. They just kind of got his yearbook photo. Yes, yes.

Carousel sniper victim murdered 9 September 1991. Damage report. The boy died in the arms of his father, FBI agent Sean Archer, on the carousel in Griffith Park. Caster Troy had intended, it supposes the intention of the murderer...

Casper Troy had intended to kill Sean Archer, but the bullet traveled through him and struck Michael in the chest. This kid is dead. By the way, this is, you know, John Travolta can call this up in the middle of the movie, but damage report doesn't seem to be a police term. What's the damage report? Quick, let's look it up in the damage reports. I think you could probably just...

flip this whole thing around and say, name Michael Archer incident. Sniped on a carousel. Sniped. Sniped. Sniped on a carousel. This would be so much... They wouldn't list it like a more... It's listed very provocatively. Oh, it's written very well. I'm surprised it has no mention of Archer's weird porno mustache. Yeah.

Show time. Right, just to clearly show time. I mean, by the way, this movie... It's a great fucking beginning. This movie... It really, like, started out of the gate, you're like, whoa, what? I will say that I really do like this movie. I bought it on iTunes instead of renting it. And when I watch it... We get it. You're rich.

I already pre-ordered second best Marigold hotel. Suck it. I don't even care if I know how much it costs. I'm going to buy it. That's just a service your Dame Maggie Smith fetish. Of course. And why shouldn't I? I work hard.

But to me, when I watched this movie, I was like, oh, well, they're not going to kill this kid. You don't think they are going to do it. At least I really did have that reaction. I was like, oh, shit. Oh, wow. Oh, I'd forgotten that that's how this started. And I was like, oh, right. This movie tells you straight out of the gate that it's bonkers. Yeah.

Yeah, you were starting at 10, and I would say it never lets down. Oh, never. Who would you say? We'll go into it. I mean, there's so many questions I want to ask in a general sense. Who played the better version of the other person? I want to get into that because I have opinions about that. But basically, all we know is that after this assassination of his son on a carousel...

Travolta becomes a humorless head of a secret task force set to just basically take down Nicolas Cage's character, Caster Troy. Who appears to be like a...

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In one organization. It's also like a highly covert secret anti-terrorism task force and all they do is destroy everything. I also had an issue with the highly covert secret organized task force but when shit went down they're like, all right, let's

Let's bring in every major criminal to our office. Yeah. Like, let's just show them where we're working. Like, you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't bring them to the secret headquarters. It's like Batman going, all right, we'll just lead them in. We'll just, yeah, we'll have tea and coffee in here. So, like, they didn't have a place. So he's, his wife is... Joan Allen? We gotta get into this. She's in crap. Joan Allen does. Joan Allen does.

She's incredible. Amazing. But I gotta say, I feel uncomfortable. Guys, give it up for Joan Allen. Like, that was tepid.

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I would argue this is like one of the defining Nick Cage performances. It was incredible. It's really... This is the beginning of like, oh no it's not, because he's always doing cuckoo crazy stuff. But this really is like this period of Nick Cage I feel like firmly establishes him as just going for it.

No, I mean, from the moment one, like, he's singing along with hallelujah. He is massaging a girl's ass. And it's awesome. It's everything about this opening. He has guns with dragons on them. He flirts with a girl by saying, how would you like to suck my tongue? He says that to multiple people.

And multiple people take him up on it. I don't think that would be sexually enjoyable in the least. To have your tongue sucked? And he does put it out and she sucks it. No, I don't want that. The peach line. What was the peach line? He said, I can eat a peach all day and you're like, peach. And he said, a lot of people, and that other girl in the other scene was like, I thought I was your peach.

So he's also like, that's his only line. His only line is, you're a peach, I can eat a peach all night and suck my tongue. And everybody from Gina Gershon to that random FBI agent is like, I'm in. But if it's working, why change it? Why change it? Seriously, I'm going to start saying those words. I'm going to start using only those pickup lines. I could eat a peach all night. Ow! I'm getting slapped so much.

In an effort just to slightly move this show forward because there's so much, we could spend so much even in the opening of this movie. I just want to just set the basic premise like, yes, so the fucking beginning of the movie is crazy. There's helicopters, plane chases, people are getting shot in the head multiple times. And I had this too because there's that, there's the whole opening scene which is the assassination of the child.

Then there is a crazy priest. He arms a bomb, so now there's a ticking clock. Humps the girl who's singing the Messiah, who's part of the choir. Then there is a chase. There is a Hummer and police cars and helicopters on the tarmac chasing a plane down. And it's a huge set piece. And it is, I looked, I stopped the thing, and it was minute 11. Yeah.

And I was like, God damn, this movie is amazing. And the movie, at that point, I appeared to be, I was like, the status bar, I was like, oh, I think this movie's like seven hours long. And we are only like this far in. It is long. The movie is long. Very long. Very long. Worth it.

So the other theme it kind of sets up early on is that everything explodes. No matter what. If it's a box full of eggs, it's going to explode. The jet goes off course into a jet propulsion laboratory that also happens to be on the tarmac of an airport.

I don't know if they do it that close to each other, but sure, I'll buy it. That blows up like a fireworks factory. Everything is exploding. Huge explosions in this movie. Very satisfying.

We should say this is a John Woo movie, and as such, has all of the hallmarks of John Woo films. All of the crazy doves, all of the standoffs, everything that is John Woo is taken to the extreme because it's Travolta in the cage. Unhinged. Is this his first American movie?

No, it's not. Hard Target, maybe? There's one right before it, I think. What is it? Broken Arrow. Yeah, Christian Slater. Which is also a Christian Slater Travolta joint. Somebody just said, it's good. It's great. Guy, calm down.

I described... Because you just started it, it's good. And then I said, it's good, and you went, it's great. So you just doubled down. I described the performances in this movie to be kabuki-like. In the sense that everything is just like... Like, it's a full body... No, no, Paul. The movie's about faces. Yes.

So, as such, people are doing a lot with their faces in these movies. I mean, it is nothing...

Like, let me just show you. This is jumping ahead. But I just want to show you, like, the level of acting that's going on here. This is just later on in the movie. But we don't... Plot-wise, it's okay. Wait, wait, wait. Just so we know. Yes. Is this Nicolas Cage as Travolta right now? Yes. Okay. So, yeah, we'll get into all of this. You get it. They change faces. But this is just a good...

So if you can imagine it, if you've never seen the movie and you're listening at home, John Travolta is performing as Nicolas Cage. Yes. And Nicolas Cage is performing as John Travolta. So it's two bananas people trying to out-bananas each other. You're welcome.

The thing before we even play this clip that I want to even bring up, and I brought this up in the last episode, is that Nicolas Cage finished shooting Con Air and within 12 hours was on the set of Face Off. Shooting... Those 12 hours? Wig construction. Those 12 hours were deconstructing one wig and building the other. You have to. Yeah.

And the first scene that they shot, you would think, oh, well, we need to shoot the scene where Nick Cage is being Nick Cage and John Travolta is being Travolta because that's what their baseline will be for the rest of the movie. To establish them. No. The final scenes of the movie are the first scenes of this movie. So the boat scene...

was the first scene that they both shot. The boat chase? The boat chase. Oh, if you are concerned that after airplane and helicopter chases with Humvees, there might not be a boat chase... There's a boat chase. There's a fucking boat chase. So, to me, I think I'm even more impressed because here's two actors that didn't even get a chance to see what each other was doing before they started copying each other for the thrust of the film. I would argue the movie is better for it.

Potentially, yes. Here we go with just, again, we're not jumping ahead to plot. We're just seeing the level of acting or power acting. That's what I would call it. Power acting that goes on. Well, here's some poetic justice, sir. Caster Troy is dead. He got killed trying to escape from marijuana. Where's his body? I want to see his body. It hasn't been recovered yet. It hasn't been recovered yet? Get the LAPD on this.

I know it's small to kind of see, but that's about the level every scene hits. Like, that kind of encapsulates... Oh, they are both going in and out of shouting...

in single conversations as if that's how we all talk to each other. I feel like Travolta is genuinely trying to do a Nick Cage a little bit. I think he does a good job as Nick Cage. But I feel like Nick Cage is like, fuck it. I'm just going to do a version of myself, just a little toned down. Which is still enormous. Enormous. It is enormous. Yeah.

So again, just to reiterate, the premise is these two guys switch faces. And now, I mean, there's so many places to go. Yeah, well. Well, can we talk about the science? Yes, the science. The science behind it. Randall, we can 100% talk about them. If we don't, shame on us. The science. First off, they're different blood types. I don't know.

Which is a big plot point. It's a huge plot point. I don't know. I'm not that knowledgeable about science. You're not a scientist? I'm not a scientist. We always want to assert whether people are or are not scientists. I'm not a scientist, but I'm assuming that different blood types... Well, I know one of them's O and one of them's AB, and I actually looked this up because I was like, I gotta look this up. What?

One of them's O. Sure. And that's the universal one where you could like... And one of them's AB. And that's the one where you can only kind of give to AB. Right. So one of them's got to die. Because they're wearing the face of the other person? Yes. I guess that's true. I would also argue that if you were just to cut around your face, it wasn't just get easily sucked off. Like you...

this skin is attached to muscle. No, no, no. It's barely. Mostly your face is attached right around the rim. And so you have to cut the rim of the face because that's where it's the strongest. The rest of it is just kind of like sitting atop mush.

You know, if you pull really hard on your nose, your face will come out quite a bit, but it's held in around the rim. So you cut that rim, guess what? Face off.

Guys, they got... Don't encourage me. I want to play two questions about science. One is this first, just John Woo. John Woo does not talk very much during the director's commentary, but when the writers who were on this ask him a question about face swapping, let's see what he has to say. Here we go. Now, John, I know you would never say so at the time in the production, but did you ever have a moment when you felt like this was crazy and it was never going to work, the whole idea of face swapping? No.

Did you ever have doubt? No. No, I have never had any doubt because I believe it could happen in the near future. And now it can. John Woo on board. Now here is just a little bit more science. And are we to believe, are we to believe that this technology is in the hands of the FBI?

Well, no, it's in the hand of an independent contractor who's working with the FBI. Oh, okay. I thought they had the tech somehow. The premise of this is crazy, and they run by it so quick. So they're switching faces, but then they're also getting intense liposuction, hair, like if one has more hairy chest, the other one... Hair plugs. They literally said hair plugs. Yes. Their body's changing, their voice is changing, which is a thing.

Everything is changing, and they basically say, well, with the pain meds we have now, you're back up on your feet in like a half hour. You can get a broken nose and you're not on your feet in a half hour. Here's the thing. What this posits on a biological level is so impossible, so as to necessitate that you don't look at it at all.

In the movie. It needs to be glossed over as quickly as possible. The person who delivers that information, she delivers it like the micromachines guy. She's like, and we're done. And then they're like, they do the buzzsaw around the faces. They put the one face on Travolta. Bing, bang, boom. Now he's in prison because who cares?

The whole time I was like, there's got to be a side effect. There's got to, you know, there has to be something. And literally the one side effect was like, he was like, my face itches. Yes. You know what? And that was it. That brings me to my point about this. So they put in, they say that, well, I have two points.

they have to make sure their voices match. So they do that by implanting a microchip in their throat. Now listen to the writers talk about that, and then I'll bring up my point. So here we have the laryngeal implant. We stuck in the word microchip as if that actually had some meaning to what a device like that would be. And we never changed it and survived through all these drafts. We never came up with anything better. No one ever questioned it. A microchip stuck in anyone's larynx. Larynx.

I don't think it would change their voice or anything and probably just give them an infection, but there it is. Microchip. So that was it. It was a placeholder term that... Here's the thing. A microchip. Didn't bother me at all. Now... I'm on board for this movie by now. You know why? Because they killed a kid. Then they had an action sequence and I was like, I'm back.

The thing I want to talk about that, so they go, be careful because if you get hit in the throat or you have a harsh sneeze, the microchip won't work. Violent sneeze, sorry. For the rest of the movie.

John Travolta as Nick Cage is getting punched in the throat repeatedly with no ill effect. Not a single ill effect. And also, this movie takes place during allergy season. Of course.

And you would think people would get sick with all of a hand over the face going on throughout the whole movie. They're rubbing their hands on their faces. That is wildly unhygienic.

That was improvised, the hand over the face. Oh, really? Oh, that wasn't in the script? If you saw this year's Academy Awards, to drag your fingers across people's face? By the way, if you don't know what we're talking about, this is very visual. If John Travolta wiped my face in a scene in an improvisational way, I would be like, get the fuck away from me. This is, again, just to talk about this, this is like where all the actors... He does it to a child.

This is amazing. So, oh man. This is the intro. This is the intro. This is more of a visual one for our audience here of all the face waterfalls. So if you're listening to the podcast, you don't get it. Face waterfall, face waterfall, face waterfall, face waterfall, face waterfall, face waterfall, face waterfall. That's a lot of face waterfalls. Wait, and you know...

You know what's not in there is the one that he almost gives Tina Gershon and then thinks better of it. At one point he's like, oh, I'm not. Oh no, that would be weird. You're not my wife. Oh boy, I almost fucking face wiped you. I feel like that is the gesture that a fucking character in a movie that had magic would use to kill people.

- Like, you become weak. - Just like, sleep. That's what, they're just dragging their dirty fingers down each other's faces. No thank you. - So gross. - No thank you. - Oh my gosh. I feel like we should maybe call June at this point. We've talked for a little bit. See how it goes. It's on you. - It's on you. - I mean, it could be on you. Hey June.

- How are you? - Hey, June. - Hi. - Hi. Sorry it's just on me. - You can see Jason too. - Hi, Jason. - Welcome, June. - Good to be here. - So June, a couple thoughts. Just hit us with where you're thinking. We've talked about a couple things, but your initial reaction to the film. - Can we talk? - What?

For those of you who can't see it, Jude just did a face waterfall. Perfectly timed as we just played a montage of face waterfalls. You are connected to us. Paul, you keep saying face waterfall? Yeah. As if that's what it's called. I think it is. Is that what it's called? Is that a thing? Face waterfall? Come up with a better term for it.

Wait, did you make that up or is it really called that? What I thought you said was Faith Paw. Faith... Which also made sense. Yeah. No, I made... No, I did not make that up. Yes, I did make that up. You did? It's in my notes. It's Faith Waterfall. Are you coining this phrase right now? Faith Waterfall? I'm saying how does it get made? Coined it. Yeah. Okay, cool. Let's get it up on a t-shirt, assholes.

June, talk to us, because you didn't know what this movie was about. Just any thoughts that you have. I loved it so much. Okay, a couple random thoughts. And I'm so sorry if you guys have talked about this already. Did you talk about the wardrobe of the FBI agent slash flight attendant on the first flight? I'm going to say, of course not.

Okay, well, here's my question about her. And I'm sorry, I can't hear everybody that well. But here's my question. Was she supposed to be like a honey... Was it supposed to be like a honeypot situation? Like she was supposed to sort of be attracting him? Or was it just like she's just working as a flight attendant undercover? So you're wondering what her assignment was exactly? Yeah.

Well, I guess I ask this because if she was supposed to be like a honeypot, she was wearing, I don't think, honestly, I don't think you could put more clothes on her. She was wearing a ribbed, like mock turtleneck, like a mustard, a mustard ribbed, like heavy mock turtleneck. Yeah. Well, June, I think you need to remember that Joan Allen is the sex pot of this movie. Yeah.

Okay, because on top of the mock turtleneck was like a heavy, a heavy wool blazer. Yes. Heavy. I think it was a matching blazer and pants. Yes, and pants and like a belt. Shaking her head in disgust. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. June, let me ask you a question before you continue. Would you be attracted or would you be interested if a man asked you to suck his tongue?

That was so upsetting. Well, and I guess that was my question about her. I didn't know because it almost seemed like she knew exactly what she was going to have to do. And she was up for it. And she was going to, like, play the part. But if that was the case and that was the outfit she chose? I mean, it was just, it was shocking. It was a real shocker. Well, I mean, she...

Does a very bad job of it. She sucks his tongue a little and then is like immediately outs herself as FBI and is killed. That's true. By the way, the second murder after a child is this female FBI agent at like minute 10. Thrown face first out of a moving airplane. Yes. Performance. A couple other thoughts. Yes, please. While I have you guys.

Have you talked about when Nicolas Cage escapes from sea prison? We'll get into sea prison, but yeah, this is good. You tell us and we'll go back. Am I jumping ahead? Please, jump ahead. That's fine. Jump ahead. Okay, so there's an elaborate sequence where he's finally able to get to the rooftop and he realizes, oh God, I'm at sea. I've really got no idea. He's on a prison oil rig. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's just this like huge wide shot. And he's, you know, it's so upsetting. And then he, there's a helicopter and there's this, the sequence goes on and on. And then finally he just jumps into the water. So he jumps into the water. And the next shot is of him walking to a valet stand. He's at Spago, basically. Yeah.

How did he get there? He swam. Also, this is a prison that, like, they said, like, nobody knows about. Amnesty International, or I forgot all the, like, the organization. Nobody knows about this. Where was it? It's highly secretive. And he swam to Spago. June, you'll appreciate this, June. Just a little fact about that prison.

the prison, John Woo recruited actual convicts, ex-convicts, to be extras in the prison scenes. And all the boots from that were from Super Mario Brothers. What? Yes. Yes.

I'm blown away by that. Yes. The boots are from Super Mario Brothers, and they caused many a mistake. The magnetic boots are from the Goombas costumes in Super Mario. They're made of real metal and were super heavy and caused a lot of problems for the actors and stuntmen because they were in metal boots doing full-on fight scenes. Look at this woman. She has to go to the bathroom, and she's stuck.

She couldn't get out of that door right there. Oh, man, I bet she's going to take a hot deuce. When she comes back, we'll ask. June, what else do you have? Well, I'm sure you guys went over this, but... I mean, and this has probably been discussed, but it seems like... And look, I love a body switcheroo movie. I love...

Like a freaky Friday June? I think it's so fun. Like Judge Reinhold and Fred Savage and vice versa? Exactly. I love watching a good old-fashioned switcheroo. But it did seem like, you know, it did seem there was a flaw to this logic of, well, it has to be John Travolta who jumps into his body and...

Because he knows him so well. It seemed like actually because of all of this personal history and all of, you know, everything that's happened to him because of this man, he's probably the one person who shouldn't do it. But they're the same height. Yeah.

They're the same height. I will say that John Travolta is constantly shocked that he is Nick Cage. Like, ah, he's always scary. Every time he looks in the mirror, he pulls out a gun. Yeah. Every time he sees himself in the mirror, think about this. He's seen the face of the man that murdered his son in the first scene. Anything else, Gene? Yeah.

Oh, man. June, how did you feel about, did you, how did you feel about, like, did you have any reaction to, because Paul said you did not know that this was face switching. So when they started to go about switching the faces, how did you feel at that point? Oh, man. I, well, I couldn't watch the actual face switching. That's where I drew the line. I said, you know what? I can't watch this. I can't see it.

I couldn't believe it. I mean, they gloss over that science so quickly. I mean, I just couldn't believe they were just switching faces. And then I just couldn't believe it. It was pretty shocking. It was pretty shocking because I have always heard a face off and you see, I mean, it could mean so many things, you know, so to actually find out, no, they're going to switch faces. Yeah.

They're actually gonna switch faces. It's even more shocking in the fact that we did an episode of NTSF based on Face Off that you were in that referenced this movie. I didn't get it. Yeah. One of my favorite moments, now that I'm just musing on it, was when Joan Allen tells John Travolta that he's gonna get his face switched back, and he's really excited, and she says, yeah, we have a surgical team coming in from D.C.,

I mean, they're some of the best guys because guess what? They get it done. You see? Okay. Can you just talk very briefly about the role of children in this movie and the violence around them? No. No. No.

No. I honestly, it was, I mean, I watched it with Paul. It was too much for me to bear. It was too much for me to bear. The opening scene was too much to bear. It was just, oh, the kid with the Walkman. Yeah, that was upsetting. And then also, I'm sure you've gotten into it, but the daughter's reaction to seeing her dad...

her dad, you know, kind of come on to her and act super aggressive was just so, I mean, there's just, it was all, it was all really, really disturbing. Healing for them. What's so fascinating is Nicolas Cage, I mean, Travolta as Nicolas Cage, infiltrating, going and living with Joan Allen and Lolita in that house.

Helps them heal as a family by having sex with Joan Allen and paying attention to her and talking to the girl and defending her against one of the Masterson boys. Like, what the fuck is going on? Nicolas Cage, who is a terrorist for hire...

is like, you know what? A great dad. I'm going to knit this family back together. He did it. He did it. Oh, yeah. June, I know it's hard for you to hear, so we just wanted to check in with you and hear some of your musings. Yeah, last question. So do you think ultimately, because there's one beat where, and maybe you've talked about where Nicolas Cage is at the gravesite of the boy that he killed. As John Joe. And he does seem...

I'm sorry, no, not as John Travolta. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. As John Travolta, yes. Okay. So it seems that he feels remorseful. You think he feels bad for killing Travolta's son? Yeah, I do think he does. I think he does a little bit. I think so, too, because it was not his intention. And also, yeah, later he makes the point. He tells...

Nick Cage or Travolta as Nick Cage, it was a mistake. So should we say Travolta Cage and Cage Volta? It's too hard to keep track of. It's too hard. I want to just, well, because I know it's hard for you to hear. June, can I ask you a question? And this is for June and Paul together. If at the end of a tumultuous season,

violent series of events befell your family. And at the end of it, Paul came home with a strange child. That's exactly what I wanted to talk about. And said... I'll tell you what my reaction would be. Yes, go. Okay. And that is June. The last line of the movie. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Oh, so what, we're gonna raise this kid now because the other kid's dead? Okay, why not? I guess we're doing this. I'm Joe Allen. Also, like, no discussion of the impact it has on their other daughter. No. The other daughter runs right to his face and gives him a face waterfall. Face waterfall. Yes. Right out the gate. I would argue that this kid would be better served in the foster care system than with this family.

All right, June, thank you so much. We're going to continue talking here. Thanks, you guys. Thanks, June. Love fresh off the boat, Randall.

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So they switch faces, they go to this prison, which the prison is insane. They have magnetic boots that lock them to the floor, but they don't seem to use that, like they let them fight willy-nilly, like they really do. But he goes in there to like, to get this information, and I would say that- He knows that-

Travolta switches faces because he knows that Nicolas Cage has planted this bomb. Yes. That's going off for eight days. For why? Who cares? Who knows? That's so long. That's a very long time. Yeah, why would you put a bomb...

Anyone can find it in eight days. And you don't find out... 24 hours is more of a, all right, I buy that, but eight days. You don't find out until the end, too, that it's because there's going to be Supreme Court justices there. So that's the act of terrorism, is like, we've got to get rid of three Supreme Court justices. And I don't know, man. I don't know much about government. Because then the incumbent president...

can nominate people that you're like is that what's going on? to me it's like I don't know much about Supreme Court justices but I don't think that they you sure? I know a little I know Clarence Thomas totally put that pube on his diet coke can yep remember that? that was like this dumb thing I guess it wasn't dumb it was sexual harassment but it was it's fine it's just a pube on a coke can um but he uh

But to me, it's like, there wouldn't be that much security there for Supreme Court justices. They don't travel with, like, Secret Service, do they? I think they probably do. Really? I think Supreme Court justices have security. Right? Wouldn't they? Okay. No, yeah. You guys seem to be split on this. All I'm saying is he could have gone in, like, two days before, not, like, eight.

But he goes down there and he pulls the move that I think is the worst. If you're undercover and trying to pretend that you're somebody, he goes, I'm Caster Troy! I'm Caster Troy! He yells that for a long time. Yeah, yeah.

I want to talk about the fact that when the dad from Fargo, who is Travolta's boss, is killed. Yes. Who just so happens to be having a heart attack. Yeah. He appears to be being buried in a beach church. Oh, yeah, yeah. Some sort of church that's on the beach. And this is like a policeman building.

This is like a blue collar, like elderly police guy. And he's like, I want like, I want to be buried like Moondoggy from Gidget.

He's like a legendary figure in the police force and there's like 25 people there. A poorly attended service. It's the weirdest setup. And we just need to get them by the water. That's really the only reason why it was there. Where doves are for some reason. Lots of doves. That's where the doves are. Yeah, you would think that they were like, get these fucking doves out of here. And they should be seagulls. They really should be seagulls. John Woo's like, more doves.

Give me more doves. So basically, this is on the DVD commentary, but early on in the jail sequences, the writers had written a scene in which Castor and Pollux, Pollux's brother, who knows all the secrets, that's why he has to go to jail, they said they wrote this scene that talks about their past and what turned them into a life of crime. Nick Cage threw out all of that and improvised the backstory and said that he's a bad guy because his father made him wear a pink dress. Ha!

which was also cut from the movie. So that's the level in which we're working. Very big scene. Nah, let's do this instead. And then that was cut out. So there is nothing really in that scene to show a connection. Can I ask, this is a genuine question I have, because I'm thoroughly confused. The bald guy... Yeah.

And Gina Gershon's character. Yes. They're siblings, right? They are. Yet they have a really sexual kiss. No! Yeah, you're right. I saw that too. They're brother and sister and he kisses her hard. Yeah. Are they brother and sister? Yes. Yes. Because he says when he's interrogating him, he's like, I'm going to make it hard for your sister. Oh, okay. Why do they kiss like that?

That made... I wrote down the exact same thing. I said, kiss your sister pretty hard. I feel like that might fall into bad guys are incestuous. You know what I mean? Like, you know how bad these guys are? Even, like, the morality of incest means nothing to them. It was really gross, and I really respected Gina Gershon's character. I was into it. I couldn't quite get a handle on... I mean...

This movie is comical. It would be as if the three of us all had guns, two in each, you know, two and one in each hand, and we're shooting each other here and we miss. Nobody can ever hit a target ever with bullets. Like, literally, they do a raid of the bald guy and Gina Gershon's apartment. They have a leg up. Oh, yeah. And an apartment full of windows.

think anyone gets killed nobody only by very close range shots do people get killed no dudes drop out of the ceiling with machine guns and are like nobody gets hit and then somebody's like pew and that guy's like oh I'm dead it is shocking the amount of gun play to number of people that gets killed is crazy it is a shameful waste of ammunition um

So you want to know why they never shoot each other and kill each other. By the way, the end of the movie in which they finally kill Nick Cage, improvised, right? Everything improvised in this movie. But here's a great point. Nicolas Cage realizes why they never can hit each other. And he believes, he goes, oh, I get it. Archer and Troy are in love with each other.

So Nicolas Cage believes that they can't kill each other because they're in love with each other. So this is a romantic comedy between these two gentlemen? According to Nicolas Cage, he viewed this film as these two men are in love with each other. That's why they can't kill each other. I buy it. I guess so. Well, there's also a lot of...

Obviously, because of the face switcheroo. There's a lot of looking longingly at themselves in the mirror. There is like a very, what's happening is very interesting. It is both, it must be challenging their sense of self.

And as such could lead to I love myself. I look like that. I must love that. Even though that is not me. Technically it is me. So maybe they are in love with each other because also they're walking a mile in each other's shoes. That's for sure. The original ending, by the way, took place in a mirror factory. Oh, wow.

I mean, yes. That's interesting. I love that. I want to see that. One of the best sequences in the movie is when they're both on either side of a mirror. And they're both looking at the person they want to shoot, but they're actually looking at themselves.

Well, I have this like... Indulge me for a second. I have an interesting kind of... I'm probably reaching here. But I had just seen Going Clear, the HBO documentary about Scientology. So I couldn't watch this movie. I saw it right before watching this movie. I couldn't watch it without... The perfect appetizer for this meal. I could not watch it without...

or searching for kind of Scientology references. And I thought, this is a Scientology movie while I'm watching it. So... Yeah, oh, I like this. The death of Michael, the kid, that's like his past trauma, right? Right, right.

His engram. That's like his trauma. That's like what he's working out. The switching faces, having to face himself, essentially. Right, right. That's like auditing, right? That's like auditing. The two guns in the hands, that's the cans of the E-meter. Right? They're on a boat. That's the Sea Org.

I love it. And at the end, he becomes a thetan. An operating thetan. That's my theory. I don't know. And also, and also, not that this means much, Danny Masterson. Noted Scientologist. Sure. Well, here's the thing.

In a weird way, I mean, this movie posits that, it doesn't posit, it does. Like at the end of the movie, he just basically takes Castor Troy's kid, and he's like, okay, back, back to normal now. I got one, I got one back. You took my kid, now I'm adopting your kid. I want everybody here to imagine what that kid's going through. Everybody he's known his entire life is dead.

His mother, his uncle, all the other bad guys that he's apparently growing up in a loft with were murdered in front of him. Okay? Now, Travolta is like, you're going to be my kid now. I don't know where he gets them from either because it seems like he got the face-off operation. Joan Allen doesn't go to the hospital to pick him up. She's like, oh, well, come on. And on the way home, he's like, oh, I picked up.

You know, like, I picked up Chinese food. He's like, oh, I picked up this kid. Like, it was like, you just picked up this kid? This movie, the sequel to this movie should be the point of view of that kid, and he's living in, like, some nightmare world where he's like, this is, they just want me to be the dead son. Yes, because he does. This kid, poor Adam, is going to live the rest of his life being called Michael.

And by the way, he should have good feeling for that because the minute Travolta, Cage as Travolta sees him, he goes, oh, Michael. Yeah. And grabs him. Like, so does every child Michael to him? Yes. Because that's not healthy. I don't know. But at the end there, like, you feel like, okay, maybe this Adam kid is like, you know, he's probably going to go through some issues. Yeah.

But then you know he's going to be okay as soon as he gets the face waterfall. Oh, yeah. He's like, fine. The minute I walk into a strange house and they're like, can we keep him? And everybody's like, of course. And Travolta's like, why don't you show... By the way, the same ending of Goonies when they fucking take Sloth. Like, mom, dad, we keep him? Yeah, fucking animal. Sloth is... How dare you? Sloth is not an animal.

That kid is going to go up to Michael's room, look around and be like, you already got a room for you. Yeah. That kid's life is a nightmare. That girl comes up to him and he's like, like runs her fucking fingers down his face. I'd be like, and I'm...

I also... I would rather live on the street than with this family. But how about this? But by the way, his mom is no better because his mom basically... Gina Gershon? Gina Gershon. Sees...

and is going to fuck him. He kind of pushes her off because he likes Joan Allen. And then she's like, oh, okay, well, here, meet your kid. Wait, wait. So that kid was just waiting outside the door? She was like, oh, and now you come in. It wasn't like, well, I'll fuck him and then I'll bring the kid in. So just wait. You wait here.

Listen to your mom get boned. I feel like the kid waits behind a wall a lot of this movie. Like at the end, too, he's just waiting until like Travolta brings him out. I like, too, that she was like, what, you want me to just jump on top of you? And he's like, what? And then she's like, jumps on top of him and he's like, is this what you want? What is going on here? Do you guys think that the title Face Off was ever in the movie? I don't remember anybody saying it.

The words face and off together? Oh, really? Yeah, I don't recall that. I don't recall it. To answer the first question, face-off was not ever mentioned in the movie. Nick Cage improvised this monologue, which we're about to hear. So, once we kidnap Supercop, then what? Tiny...

Surgery. I'd like to take his face off. Yes. Nephew, excuse me, I have to use the little boy's wee-wee room. Cass, you want to take his face? Yes. His face? Eyes, nose, skin. The face? Yes.

And that is how you improvise in a movie. Knowing that that was improvised feels like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. They just face off a million times. Poor Nick Cassavetes. Has to be like, wait, please don't put this in the movie. Please, you promised me you wouldn't put this take in the movie. Eee!

Also, they don't take his eyes, right? No. Because when he's just, when Nick Cage has his face, when he comes out of his coma and he has ketchup all over his face, he's watching a video, remember? So his eyes are there. No, because again, the face is just a small, it's just a plastic shield. I mean, it's like the worst mask you could ever buy in a Halloween costume. It was ketchup.

It really was. Oh, gosh. Again, I want to reiterate, this movie is great. It's incredible. Before we go to the audience and talk about a couple things, I want to just talk to you about the actors that were considered for these roles. Oh, my God. Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Awesome. Awesome. Wow. Who do you think would play the hero and the villain in that?

I think Stallone is the Travolta and Schwarzenegger is the Cage. I agree with that. Harrison Ford and Michael Douglas. Well, this is a Michael Douglas produced movie. Well, Michael Douglas was originally going to star in this movie. That's what got John Woo invested in it. Everyone got on board. It was going to take place in the future. They took away the future stuff.

And Michael Douglas then dropped out. And yeah, so basically Michael Douglas would take out the futuristic stuff. And yeah, so that was, I mean, it was basically Michael Douglas' little playtime. I would have taken Michael Douglas and Harrison Ford, but they're not. What's great about this is that it's so hammy.

They are mugging so hard. Both of them. Right. You know, Michael Douglas and Harrison Ford could have been his real snoozer. Well, Harrison Ford would have been the good guy and Michael Douglas the bad guy. Right? Then Bruce Willis and Alec Baldwin. I'm very on board for that pair. I really like that movie. Here's another one. And I would go either way with the roles. And the last two are pretty great. Jean-Claude Van Damme is Steven Seagal.

That would have been the best version. That would have been really great. And finally, Al Pacino and Robert De Niro. Amazing. I mean, that would have been a great movie, too. That would have been pretty great, too. By the way, why shouldn't we just make all of those movies? Yeah. Like, why don't we just hire everyone? Like, I would watch a trilogy of these movies. I would like to take all of those and just shoot one scene from this movie with each of those pairings.

Originally, Nick Cage turned down the role because he didn't want to play the villain, but then was told he'd actually be playing the hero because the face thing. He's like, oh, I'm in.

All right, let's go to the audience. Let's go to the audience here. If you have questions that we... I know we haven't addressed a lot of things, but this is a long movie, and there's a lot of questions. So we are going to give away, for good questions, some toys from Mezco Toys. We've got Sons of Anarchy stuff in here. We've got a bunch of cool shit in here. All right, so here we go. What's your question? Right here. Sir, your name, who would you like to see as a pair and face off in your question? You don't have to hold on to the mic. My name is Lance. Uh...

I would like to see this movie starring Gary Busey and Kevin Costner. Great. Wow. I'm very into that. And actually, my question was going to be, living or dead, any actor, who would you like to see as this pair? Who would be your caster and who would be your archer? Ooh, living or dead. There's going to be a real thinker. Get a toy for that question. Get a plushie. Plushie Sons of Anarchy. I'm going to say...

Nicolas Cage as Castor still and then replace Travolta with Nicolas Cage. I was just going to say. How's that? That's where I'm at. The only way this movie could be better? Double Cage.

I'm thinking. I'm still thinking. I'd like to see some really serious, well-respected Sir Ben Kingsley and Meryl Streep. I think that would be amazing.

Then I'll go for the old version of Face Off and say Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart. That's a good, that's, by the way, that's an Academy Award winning movie. How about a sequel to Face Off which takes place like 40 years after the first one and those actors play the same two characters? I'd be in. I'd be 100% in. All right, here we go. Your, sir. Your pairing. Your question, go.

Yeah, as far as pairing, I think I'd be on board. I think you've got to go female. Okay, great. Sofia Vergara and... Oh, Lucille Ball. Ooh, wow. Sofia Vergara and Lucille Ball. I don't even know what that is, and I love it. That movie is rad, especially because if we shot it now, Lucille Ball would be a corpse. Well, we said living and dead. Living or dead.

I want to see the female version. I've got your question. Well, actually, it's a nice segue because I felt gypped. Really? Yeah, at the end of this movie, I feel like we had fat guys becoming skinny, skinny guys fat. No taboo left unturned. That little boy shows up at the house and I think to myself, you know who he's the same height as? The dead son. Why aren't we digging up the dead boy? Amazing. You get a toy for this. Yes.

Guy gets it. We've got the technology. Let's fucking slap a new face on this kid. I love that idea. It can't fuck him up any more than he's already fucked up. No, that's a great idea. And you're right. They were the exact same height. So that's all that matters. Man, that's a great... Maybe they do eventually do that. They just have to get him up into his room. Okay, yes, ma'am, your question. Your pairing and your question.

Bill Pullman and Bill Paxton. Nice. And why didn't the wife notice when they were intimate that it wasn't her husband? They've been married for at least 15, 20 years. Did they change everything? So you're saying explicitly that his dick must have been different. Yeah.

Well, I was going to say, this movie shows no restraint, but in that category they did, because they didn't have one of those scenes where they looked at their dick. There was no sex scene. Well, they didn't look at their dick and go, whoa, all right. I feel like that's always in these body-switching movies. They check out their dicks. Well, no, because they don't switch bodies. They just switch faces. No, but they switch bodies. So they still get their own dicks. But...

Their bodies have totally changed. Their bodies are totally changed. Yeah, because they take the hair out of the chest. But that's all they said. The hair out of the chest and an abdominoplasty. The dicks are the same. They should have said they are the same height and have identical genitalia.

And you guys are negligibly different in height and your junk looks pretty the same. How many people here think that they kept their same dicks by applause? Now wait, now I have a question. Wait, how many people think they did not keep, oh, because that's going to interfere with your question or no? Go ahead. How many people think they did not change dicks? Okay, now, this one's for the ladies. Do you think you would notice if your husband's dick was markedly different? No.

They've been married for a long time. Now keep in mind, you're Joan Allen. So I don't know if you're like blowing anybody. And they hadn't had a successful date night in a while. It's been two months. They haven't had sex for two months. What? Ladies, would you recognize... She's a doctor? Okay, so this girl here is saying that Joan Allen is a doctor. So she's medically examining... So she must know about dicks? So she's a dick specialist. Wait, but she's examining his dick every time? Yeah, because she's all day long just fondling dongs at the hospital.

What, is she a perv? She some kind of Joan Allen dick doc? Don't get me wrong, I'd like an exam. A full ball exam. That was such a good question. I'm going to give you this Michael Bay book that we got. All right, all right. You're shaking your hand. That means that you have a good question. All right, here we go. All right, you're pairing your question. Oh. Wait, you had your hand up. No, move, I moved, I moved. What the fuck are you doing?

What? You had your hand raised. Paul came up to you and you shit your pants. Sir, here we go. What do you got? You got a notebook out. I know you're not going to let me down. Can I do my pairing? Please. I would say Jason Statham and Liam Neeson. I like that. I like that a lot.

And then my question is, when Castor Troy wakes up in the hospital, he's unguarded. There's no medical staff. And he looks outside his window, and the only thing he can see in the darkness is John Travolta's face. That's a really good point. Oh, you mean John Travolta's face in the face juice? Yeah. It's saline. It's saline. By the way, why would they keep that out in the center of the room?

They would maybe put that in the fridge, you'd think. Like, it may go bad. What should I do with this other face? Oh, just leave it in the face juice. It's fine. Should anybody be watching him? He's in a coma. It doesn't matter. Let's all go party! Yeah, like, they should have maybe watched him because that face-off thing woke him up. I mean, clearly. They also should have, like, I feel like, here's the deal. If I'm Travolta...

I'm like, hey, guys, keep my fucking face under lock and key. Like, this shit is pretty fucking important to me. Like, lock it up somewhere safe. Don't leave it in some fucking juice. Don't throw my fucking face in some apple juice and leave it next to fucking...

Nicolas Cage. And why did it have to be so secret? Because no one was going to get into that prison to tell Pollux, right? Pollux, by the way, was instantaneously suspicious of him. As if to think, I wonder if this is a face switch. By the way, the smartest character. He just called me bro. My brother doesn't usually call me bro. Face switch? LAUGHTER

Probably face switch. I guess I'll marry Emily Mortimer. Well, obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are some people who had a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. This is a second opinion. All right. This is, there are some great ones here.

Amazing ones all out of the gate. I'll just start with this one from Juanita Clifton. She writes, good movie for older people, not little kids. Oh, I do dislike Cage's character. He's a real scumbag. Five stars. From Maylene Munoz, she goes, it's very beautiful. I love it. It's what I wanted, and I'm glad I found it.

Thank you so very much. I will be doing so recommending of this very beautiful piece. I will be doing so much very recommending? Yes. Yes, that is that. That is that. This one from Danny, one of my favorites. Danny wrote this back in 2000, simpler time.

Wow. Wow.

His amazing review includes the part where he doesn't like it anymore. Amazing movie. Flawless. Until I watched it so much that I realized it's terrible.

Here's another one. If you don't like this movie, you're a wimp. Five stars. I thought this film was great. I'd never heard of Nicolas Cage before. And now I'm a big fan. What? Oh, my God. And then... That's shocking. And then this one...

Can you imagine a world in which you've never seen or heard Nicolas Cage ever do anything and then you saw this movie? You'd be like, "Oh, what's happening here? Is this guy okay? Was there not like someone on set being like, 'Hey, hey, guy, cool it?'" This one is titled, "Words Can't Say How Great This Movie Is." All in caps, a lot of exclamation points.

This was my favorite movie ever. It was pretty nasty and cool. My Little Girls thought it was sick. Wow. Five stars. Who are his little girls? Yeah. I think that's supposed to be read, My Little Girls thought it was sick. Obviously, this movie, don't feel dumb that you like this movie because it got a 91% on Rotten Tomatoes. Because it's awesome. Yeah.

Again, I didn't think we should do this movie for a reason. But I feel like we did it for the right reasons. Margaret Cho, in this movie, simply because John Woo's daughter liked her. He said, Dad, you need to hire her. And he said, okay. That was what he says in the DVD commentary. His daughter likes Margaret Cho. He's like, oh yeah, I'll put her in the movie. That's awesome. She has that one great moment where she's like...

Did you get surgery? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a great. He's like, to get that stick out of your ass? Yeah. That was a great moment. Sing. Great comedy moment. There's so much that they improvised. Face waterfall, the face-off monologue, the ending with the spear gun, the everything. Oh, you mean during the boat chase? Yeah. You mean like the 30-minute boat chase that happens? When one boat jumps through another boat?

They're both in competing Scarpas or whatever they are, Scarabs. Yes. I am... That's where I checked out of the movie. And I remember watching it originally. The boat chase doesn't do it for me. Nah, it's pretty great. I'm like, how many... That is where you're wrong. As June said... The whole time I was thinking, C-org. That's all I was thinking. June said to me, how many times are they going to face off? Are you serious? Yes.

She thought they would just face off once. She's like, they're always facing off. Yeah. The whole movie. Wow. The whole movie is face-offs.

Well, I want to show you guys the end scene that was not in the film. So this is the alternate ending scene. We'll watch it and then I can kind of describe to you those that are not here. Let's take a look at the alternate ending, which is pretty amazing. So it ends the same way I imagine. They adopt this kid. It's nighttime. Joan Allen's got on a very sexy outfit.

It's almost like Gandalf's cloak. No, it's fucking Galadriel, man. Joan Allen is Galadriel. And so she's primping the bed, getting it ready for bed. That bureau is distracting. It is. John Travolta is at the sink. Sean? She goes to check on him, puts his head down in the sink. He comes up. I'll explain this to you at home. Oh, God.

Okay, so let me explain what just happened here. So, and we need to talk about this. All right, so this is the original ending. So John Travolta's looking at himself in the mirror. He's like, oh God, it's been a crazy couple days. Crazy week and a half. And this has been a real yipes. Puts his head down to be like, oh, fuck it. Looks up and he is Nicolas Cage.

Now, Joan Allen comes in, sees the reflection of Nicolas Cage, and goes... So they are sharing a hallucination, right? I guess. They are sharing a... It's a shared hallucination. And then he looks back, and it's John Travolta. So my question is, now the studio made John Woo cut that because he said it was too ambiguous. I don't understand what it even is ambiguous about. Like, he's still Nick Cage? No. No.

But is he? What? Like, will he always be Nick Cage? What do you mean? You don't mean... Are you theorizing that they didn't switch the faces back and that it's still Nicolas Cage as Travolta, Cage-Volta? No, I'm hypothesizing that a little piece of Nicolas Cage is still in Travolta, and I know that's impossible because it's only about the faces, but I feel like he went dark...

And now he'll always be dark. Although he was dark in the beginning, too. Well, I do think they've now walked a mile in each other's shoes, as I said. And I feel like Travolta has a little bit of Cage inside of him now, for sure. Maybe they've both, throughout this whole ordeal, they've both been traumatized by this experience. They both need to jump on an E-meter. Yeah.

and be audited again and start the whole process over. Wait a second. Are you saying that Caster Troy is a suppressive person? Yes. He's an SP, clearly. Wait, no, but my question is, why does Joan Allen see it? My question is, where is Shelley Miskevich?

She's in a prison camp. No, here's my genuine question. Do you think, audience, Joan Allen prefers sex with Travolta Travolta or Cages Travolta? Cages Travolta.

Right? I would actually have liked a scene where Travolta as Cage fucked... No, Cage as Travolta? No, no, no. Oh, Gina Gershon? Gina Gershon. And she's like, oh, that was terrible. Why are you crying so much? And who's Michael?

And don't you think it was like, just one thing to talk about before we end, dude, like, wasn't it a telltale sign that like, Travolta was evil when he started traveling with the two gangsters? Yeah, in the hospital. He was like a cop, and he's like, oh yeah, now I got these two gangsters, like, yeah, you're a fucking bad guy. Like,

There's no doubt about it. Well, the idea that he could come home, it's what I do, and I do love this movie, and what I love about it is they do the face swap, and whether it's Cage, Travolta in Cage's body with his, Nick Cassavetes, Gina Gershon, or Cage in Travolta's body with his family, nobody bats an eye. Everybody's a little bit like, hey, you okay? Yeah, what do you mean? Nothing. Because for as much as Travolta was to know Cage...

really seem to get what's going on. Like, you'd only go, you, I busted, I mean, Sean Archer busted you. Or he'd go, or when she's like, well, where are you going? And it's like the son's birthday and they need to go to the graveyard or whatever and he's just like, what? Okay, bye. And she's like, don't try and get out of it, mister. You know, everything's like so conveniently like, solvable, but like, he's a stranger. Yeah.

Even though he has Travolta face, he's like a stranger to Joan Allen. To me, he also drives past, like he drives past his own house, but it didn't seem clear to me that he was even driving to the house. Like it seemed like he may have just passed it by accident, like because he overshot it. He just way overshot it. And she's like, oh, I figured you wouldn't know where your own house was. Yeah.

It was only a matter of time before you forgot where he lived. She's completely confused, and he drops that line on her. He says, I hate to see you leave, but I'd love to watch you go. Yeah. And she's just, like, totally charmed. Yes. Yeah. Because guess what? Not a lot of people are giving Jonah Allen ass compliments. By the way, did you think he was going to fuck the daughter? I thought he was going to have sex with her. Oh, he totally fucked the daughter. Yeah, totally. Right? All right, so... Right? Right?

Obviously, I think we all recommend seeing this movie, right? It's incredible. 100%. It's the best. So, I think we did it justice. I think we did it. Randall, anything you want to promote, talk about? Well, we're on a show together called Fresh Off the Boat. Super funny show. It's on ABC on Tuesdays at 8, and it's a great show. And you can catch up on the ABC app. Just go check it out if you haven't seen it. Jason? Jason?

I did an episode of Community that's online right now on Yahoo, which everybody should go watch. I don't know. Nah, that's about it. Yeah, I got nothing. I got what we talked about fresh off the boat, so we did it. Oh. Yeah. The How Did This Get Made podcast? Oh, that's good, yeah. On Earwolf. Definitely check out that. And if anybody's in New York, we're going to be at Irving Plaza. Yeah, but you can't come to it. Oh, it's sold out. It's sold out, yeah. Ha ha.

And if you are listening to this and you plan on coming to see us in New York, don't buy any of those scalp tickets. We'll be back. You don't have to pay $150 for a ticket. That's ridiculous. Yeah, don't buy scalp tickets, guys. Come on. Let the real fans in. Screw those scalpers and step up. Thank you guys so much.

A big shout out and thank you to July up in the booth. Everybody over at Earwolf. Give it up for Nate Kiley. Give it up for Avril Halle. Give it up for our new t-shirts, which you can buy right now in the Earwolf store there. No holds barred t-shirts. Great shots, everybody. Thank you so much. Give it up for Jason Banks.

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