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Dana Gioia: Why Poetry Matters | How I Write

2025/2/26
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Dana Gioia: 我认为诗歌创作的灵感是不可控的,创作过程伴随着困惑、疯狂、兴奋和绝望。好的诗歌需要在情感和叙事上都有完整的弧线,有时需要等待灵感,让作品在时间中沉淀。优秀的写作能够在强烈的感情表达后,加入反转或限定,从而产生更强的张力。伟大的作家能够从多个角度看待问题,诗歌的创作源于与自我的辩论。我更喜欢在作品中加入转折,让情感在作品中产生变化,而不是单一的情感贯穿始终。诗歌和散文写作都需要掌握新闻写作技巧,因为它是写作的基础。我将诗歌写作的技巧运用到散文写作中,从而提升了我的散文写作水平。成功秘诀之一是学会说不,拒绝不适合自己的工作,专注于高质量的作品。随着年龄增长,我对作品的评价更加客观。写作就像生活中其他事情一样,会有好坏起伏,需要不断地修改和完善。我写作的目标是创作经久流传的作品,而非追求短期利益。我写作时会考虑不同年龄段读者的阅读体验,力求作品能够经受时间的考验。我写作时会设想不同类型的读者,并根据他们的背景知识调整作品内容。我写作时会仔细斟酌每一个细节,力求剔除那些短暂易逝的内容,留下那些更具意义的内容。我是一个不太适合年轻作家效仿的例子,因为我往往会拒绝一些看似有利的机会。写作需要既要从内心出发,也要掌握客观的写作技巧。为了写好文章,需要广泛阅读,学习语言的运用方式。从优秀作家身上,可以学习到他们如何写作以及如何生活。我年轻时就决定成为一名诗人,并为此付出了很多努力。我选择不走学术道路,而是选择了一条能够让更多人接触到我作品的道路。我从艾略特和史蒂文斯的身上学习到,即使从事全职工作,也能成为伟大的作家。写作和生活是密不可分的,生活中的选择会影响写作。我的日常生活安排紧凑,需要合理分配时间来兼顾家庭、工作和写作。我将一天的时间比作钱包里的许多一小时的钞票,需要合理分配给不同的事情。在纽约工作期间,我的时间安排非常严格,需要兼顾家庭、工作和写作。我辞去工作后,经济上一度陷入困境,但最终我的写作事业获得了成功。在加州的生活中,我会将体力劳动和写作相结合,让潜意识在劳作中发挥作用。体力劳动能够帮助我克服写作瓶颈,让潜意识发挥作用。 David Perell: 我和Dana Gioia进行了一次关于写作最深入的对话,涵盖了写作策略、生活经验以及成为世界级作家的付出。

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Dana Gioia is a poet, former Chairman of the NEA, and one of America's most insightful writers on the craft of poetry and prose. This is the deepest conversation I've ever had about writing. Dana breaks down the writing process from his first drafts to revision, and shares practical wisdom about finding your voice and creating work that lasts. His straightforward approach makes writing less intimidating and more accessible to anyone who loves language. Enjoy!

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0:00 First Drafts

7:52 The Power of Saying No

11:48 Objectivity in Writing

18:05 Learning from Writers

21:29 Daily Writing Routine

28:30 Poetry Analysis: Catullus

29:05 Production vs Consumption

36:07 Opera as Poetic Drama

43:47 Finding Your Voice

46:09 Personal vs Universal Writing

52:17 Breaking into Publishing

57:01 Writing Through Grief

1:05:21 Emotional Directness

1:10:16 Teaching Poetry

1:14:30 Poetry in Education

1:20:48 Unifying Literary Works

1:23:15 Patience in Writing

1:26:17 Improving Your Poetry

1:30:48 The Art of Description

1:34:34 Reading to Write Better

1:38:08 Creating a Masterpiece

1:45:08 Book Writing Process

1:47:45 The Art of Revision

1:48:45 Peer Feedback

1:55:47 The only app I use to read articles [Readwise Reader]

1:57:11 Anatomy of a Poem

2:02:29 Writing with Gratitude

2:08:00 Corporate World Lessons

2:16:40 Writing in Digital Culture

2:24:30 Poetry and Magic

2:28:55 Being a Catholic Writer

2:36:17 Catholic Literary Culture

2:37:40 Biblical Language in Poetry

2:39:51 Commonplace Books

2:45:24 Literary Influences

2:51:38 Cheever on Death

2:53:11 Tarantino vs. Tolkien

2:54:54 Tolstoy vs. Dostoevsky

2:55:47 The Modern Novel

3:01:18 Characters in Opera

3:09:06 Understanding Your Genre

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