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Dr. Becky Kennedy: Overcoming Guilt & Building Tenacity in Kids & Adults

2025/1/13
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是一位专注于神经科学、学习和健康的斯坦福大学教授和播客主持人。
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Becky Kennedy
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Andrew Huberman: 本期节目讨论情绪处理、负罪感管理、挫折容忍度以及科技对情绪的影响,这些知识和工具适用于育儿、工作、恋爱关系和友谊等各个方面。 Dr. Becky Kennedy博士将分享独特的负罪感视角和实用工具,并深入探讨挫折容忍度对学习的重要性,以及如何提高挫折容忍度。 Dr. Becky Kennedy: 情绪是无法控制的,父母应该坦诚地向孩子表达自己的情绪,并提供解释和故事来帮助孩子理解。信息缺乏比信息本身更令孩子恐惧,父母应该诚实地告诉孩子真相,并提供一个连贯的故事来解释。孩子能够处理真相,关键在于父母以爱和信任的方式告诉他们真相。 父母不应该承担照顾孩子情绪的责任,但可以接受孩子的安慰,关键在于区分“同理心”和“照顾”。父母需要像飞行员一样,注重自我照顾,才能更好地承担责任,避免依赖孩子。育儿过程中,父母需要处理自己童年时期未解决的问题,并进行自我照顾,才能更好地应对孩子的挑战。自我照顾并非指物质上的享受,而是指关注自身情绪、设定界限、满足自身需求等方面。 人们对情绪的感受方式不同,有些人情绪波动快,有些人情绪稳定,这都是正常的,关键在于避免僵化。与孩子讨论情绪时,应该在情绪发生时进行,并帮助孩子了解情绪的名称和意义。父母应该向孩子展示自己也会遇到困难,并通过分享自己的故事来帮助孩子学习情绪调节。在亲子关系中,应该承认权力动态的存在,但同时也要努力消除这种动态,避免孩子承担过多的责任。 寻求反馈和修复关系是关键,这需要承认自身的不完美并勇于承担责任。明确自身价值观,并向他人坦诚表达,是处理负罪感的有效方法。父母拥有权威,其职责是为孩子的成功创造条件,而非仅仅让孩子快乐。父母的首要职责是确保孩子的安全,这包括设定界限和做出对孩子有利的决定。 关于行为或核心原则的立场陈述是有效的,但关于情绪的立场陈述则可能难以实现。家庭价值观应该关注意图而非行为,避免将行为与道德或身份认同联系起来。负罪感是违背自身价值观后的感受,是一种有益的情绪,可以促使人反思和改进。许多人,尤其是女性,容易将别人的情绪内化,这并非负罪感,而是将别人的情绪当成自己的。 将别人的情绪还给对方,并设定界限,是处理这种“非负罪感”情绪的关键。在情绪共鸣后,可以通过创建框架分离来区分自身需求与他人需求。人们对外部世界的通透性不同,设定界限是区分自身感受与他人感受的关键。采用“最慷慨的解读”来理解他人的行为,可以克服我们对他人行为的负面解读倾向。在情绪紧张时,可以通过放松身体来更好地处理情绪。 在处理冲突时,可以采用“什么都不做”的策略,即在外部保持平静,在内部管理情绪。父母不需要在当下证明自己的育儿方式是正确的,可以信任自己并选择合适的时机处理问题。设定界限并满足自身需求,即使这会给他人带来不便,也是重要的。父母应该向孩子解释压力和焦虑的正常性,并帮助他们学习应对压力的方法。 科技的发展降低了人们的挫折容忍度,这影响了育儿方式和孩子的情绪发展。挫折容忍度是孩子的重要技能,它可以通过在生活中经历困难并克服困难来培养。孩子在早期生活中经历困难和挫折,能够帮助他们培养应对压力的能力和自信心。人们不应该追求在各个领域都表现出色,而应该尝试不同的领域,并找到自己真正擅长和热爱的事情。 父母应该帮助孩子培养挫折容忍度,而不是一味地避免挫折。挫折是促进大脑变化的化学物质,而提问则能促进学习过程。如果事情感觉难以开始,那就说明第一步还不够小。帮助父母获得小胜利,能够帮助他们建立自信心,并获得继续前进的动力。父母应该投资于自身学习和成长,并寻求外部资源的帮助。父母应该在睡前对孩子表达爱意,并给予自己肯定。

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Key Insights

Why is guilt a misunderstood emotion according to Dr. Becky Kennedy?

Guilt is often misunderstood because people confuse it with other emotions, such as taking on someone else's feelings. Dr. Kennedy defines guilt as a feeling that arises when we act out of alignment with our values, which is useful for reflection and growth. However, many people label feelings of pressure or empathy as guilt, which can lead to unnecessary self-blame.

What is the 'learning space' and why is frustration important in it?

The 'learning space' is the period between not knowing how to do something and becoming proficient at it. Frustration is the primary emotion in this space and is essential for learning. Dr. Kennedy emphasizes that frustration is a natural part of the process and that tolerating it helps build capability and resilience, especially in children.

How does Dr. Becky Kennedy suggest parents handle their children's frustration?

Dr. Kennedy advises parents to help children tolerate frustration rather than immediately solving problems for them. She encourages parents to model how to manage frustration, such as taking deep breaths or breaking tasks into smaller steps. This approach helps children build resilience and confidence by learning to navigate challenges on their own.

What is the 'most generous interpretation' (MGI) and how does it apply to parenting?

The 'most generous interpretation' (MGI) is a framework Dr. Kennedy uses to approach behavior with empathy and understanding. Instead of assuming the worst, parents are encouraged to consider the most generous explanation for a child's actions. For example, a child hitting buttons in an elevator might be exploring curiosity rather than acting out. This approach reduces conflict and fosters connection.

Why is storytelling a powerful tool in parenting according to Dr. Becky Kennedy?

Storytelling helps children understand and process emotions by providing a coherent narrative. Dr. Kennedy uses stories to model behavior, share experiences, and teach lessons without directly lecturing. This approach makes abstract concepts more relatable and helps children internalize values and coping mechanisms in a non-threatening way.

What is the significance of 'small steps' in overcoming challenges, as taught by Ms. Edson?

Ms. Edson taught Dr. Kennedy that if something feels too hard to start, it means the first step isn't small enough. Breaking tasks into smaller, manageable steps helps build momentum and confidence. This approach applies to both children and adults, encouraging incremental progress and reducing the overwhelm associated with big challenges.

How does Dr. Becky Kennedy suggest parents manage their own emotions in front of their children?

Dr. Kennedy advises parents to model healthy emotional expression without overburdening their children. She suggests acknowledging emotions openly, such as saying, 'I’m feeling sad right now, but I’m still your strong parent who can take care of you.' This helps children understand emotions are normal and builds resilience without making them feel responsible for their parents' feelings.

What is the role of technology in shaping frustration tolerance according to Dr. Becky Kennedy?

Dr. Kennedy believes technology, particularly immediate gratification through devices, reduces frustration tolerance. She argues that the constant flow of information and quick rewards make it harder for children to develop patience and persistence. Parents can counteract this by encouraging activities that require effort and delayed gratification.

Why is it important for parents to embody their authority rather than exert power?

Dr. Kennedy emphasizes that parents should embody their authority by setting boundaries and guiding their children with love and protection, rather than exerting power through control or fear. This helps children feel safe and respected, fostering a healthy parent-child relationship based on trust and mutual understanding.

What is the 'Do Nothing' strategy and how does it work in parenting?

The 'Do Nothing' strategy involves staying calm and not reacting in heated moments with children. By not engaging in conflict or immediately correcting behavior, parents allow space for children to process their emotions and come to their own conclusions. This approach helps de-escalate situations and teaches children self-regulation.

Shownotes Transcript

In this episode, my guest is Dr. Becky Kennedy, Ph.D.), a clinical psychologist, renowned expert on parent-child relationships and founder of Good Inside), an educational platform for parents and parents-to-be. We discuss how to learn, embody, and teach better emotional processing, leading to healthier relationships in parenting, work, romantic partnerships and friendships. Dr. Kennedy shares practical strategies for managing guilt, building frustration tolerance, and nurturing emotional intelligence, as well as the impact of technology on emotional processing. This conversation aims to empower listeners to cultivate resilient, loving and supportive connections across all areas of life.

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Timestamps

00:00:00 Dr. Becky Kennedy; LA Fires

00:03:13 Emotions, Parents & Kids, Information, Tools: Story; “Right to Notice”

00:11:24 Sponsors: Wealthfront & Our Place

00:14:25 Empathy, Kids & Parents

00:18:33 Sturdiness, Pilot Analogy, Tool: Parental Self-Care

00:26:34 Emotions, Rigidity, Moody vs Steady Kids, Siblings

00:32:51 Emotion Talk, Crying; Eye Rolls, Tools: Not Taking Bait; Discuss Struggle

00:39:26 Parent-Child Power Dynamics, Tools: Requests for Parent; Repair

00:48:50 Sponsors: AG1 & Joovv

00:51:39 Power & Authority, Tools: Learning More; Parent Primary Job & Safety

00:59:16 Statements of Stance, Actions vs Emotions; Values, Behaviors & Rigidity

01:05:59 Guilt, Women; Tools: “Not Guilt”, Tennis Court Analogy & Empathy

01:15:46 Sponsors: LMNT & Eight Sleep

01:18:41 Guilt, Relationships, Tool: Naming Values Directly

01:26:06 Locate Others & Values; Sturdy Leadership; Parenting & Shame

01:31:36 Egg Analogy & Boundaries; Tools: Frame Separation; Pilot & Turbulence; Safety

01:39:30 Projection, “Porous”; Tools: Gazing In vs Out, Most Generous Interpretation

01:45:51 Tools: “Soften”; Do Nothing & Difficult Situations; Proving Parenting

01:51:05 Gazing In vs Out, Scales; Self-Needs & Inconvenience

02:00:05 Stress & Story, Nervous; Relationships vs Efficiency

02:08:46 Technology, Relationships, Frustration Tolerance, Gratification

02:15:18 Slowing Down, Phones, Frustration, Capability

02:21:42 Immediate Gratification, Effort & Struggle, Dopamine

02:29:25 Confidence, Board Games, Parental Modeling

02:34:04 Ultra-Performers & Pressure, Emptiness

02:41:29 Trying Things, Unlived Dreams, Frustration Tolerance, Tool: Learning Space

02:51:08 Learning & Building Frustration Tolerance, Tantrums; Feelings & Story

03:03:00 Tool: Using Story; Shame, Punishment

03:12:55 Leadership & Storytelling, Tools: Asking Questions; Songs & Learning

03:23:21 Miss Edson, Momentum, Tool: Small First Steps

03:30:15 Tools: Parents & Starting Point

03:36:29 Good Inside, Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, YouTube Feedback, Sponsors, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter

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