Bunker Busting The NeoCons: Everyday Americans Want Nothing To Do With Another Forever War In The Middle East
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We are here live in Washington, D.C. Today is June 20th, 2025. Anno Domini. Folks, the neocons are in panic mode. Absolute panic mode breaking out across all of Washington, D.C. as the warmongers, the centcom blob toadies, and all the rest are hearing news

And the reality is settling in that they may not be getting the big war that they wanted. They may not be getting the big war that they were hoping would fill their coffers. Because the minute they saw those arrows go up on those maps, the minute they saw jets and fighters streaking across the Middle East, they said they could hear the sound of the cash registers. Ka-ching, ka-ching. And the warmongers heard all of it. And now, we're going to get into this today, we warned...

that this is becoming a war of air attrition. Because you can't escape the math, ladies and gentlemen, you can't escape the math. The Iron Dome was not designed for sustained high intensity military conflict. It was designed for small scale attacks from Hamas. And so with what Iran is doing, requires a lot of money,

and a lot of ammunition in terms of these interceptor missiles that unfortunately Israel is running out of. And also, by the way, America with its THAAD interceptors also doesn't have an infinite supply of. And so what are we seeing now? We are seeing

attacks from Iran landing in Israel. We're playing some of the B-roll of it now, where as this war continues, and it is a war, we're not mincing words, as this war continues, the ability of the Iron Dome to intercept everything that's thrown at them gets lower and lower. And look, folks, I've been to Israel multiple times. I've never tried to hide that or anything. I don't want to see this. I don't want to see this at all.

And that's why I put my faith and my trust in President Trump, that President Trump is going to see the way to end this thing. We're going to get into as well with Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer and later former Trump official Caroline Sunshine, who's coming on today, about real questions as to whether or not this bunker buster strike is enough to be able to take out the Fort O nuclear enrichment facility, this uranium enrichment. Because in fact, it might take multiple strikes.

And even then, they don't know if the GBU-57 will be able to take out the facility and the enriched uranium. It might be that all this strike does is start another Middle East war and a quagmire for America and American troops to get sucked in. We'll be right back. Human Events Daily, your real America's voice. What America first truly means. Welcome to the second American revolution.

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Get 10% off plus free shipping. Head to TWC.health slash POSO and use promo code POSO. Feel the difference. Think clearer. Recharge. Folks, I want to bring on now Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, by the way. Tony, it was really nice to see you there at the Army birthday parade. I hope you come to the Navy one in October too, man. Yeah, look, I'm...

I hate to say we're competitors in this area, but we are because I had to host the live coverage of another network to say, but hey, we all get along behind the scenes, right? It's great. No, it was a great parade. I had a great time. The kids had a great time.

Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer, you know, here we are embarking on yet another proxy war. We're on the cusp of one. We haven't finished the previous proxy war against Russia, and yet we hear the same cheerleaders and same voices for yet another proxy war on this.

I want to drill down here because I think we've seen the signals now from the White House that President Trump isn't interested in this regime change war, but he is solely focused on ending the Iranian nuclear program. And the biggest thing, and it's not really a covert operation at this point, is this question about a strike on the Fordow uranium enrichment site, which is deep within the

these mountains south of Tehran. And the media tells me, everywhere I look in the media, left-wing media, right-wing media, it seems, oh, it's just one bunker buster is all it's going to take. Just use that bunker buster. You'll take it out. It'll be perfect. It'll be the greatest strike in the history of strikes. And I'm looking at this, thinking of it as an intel officer said, wait a minute, I've put together strike packages and talked to the targeteers. I've never heard of anyone say that there's a perfect strike before.

Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer, is this true that this, you know, you can just press one button and get rid of Iran's uranium enrichment site? Or potentially, is there some magical thinking going on here?

It's magical thinking, Jack. I mean, you and I both, you did targeting packages. I had inputs to targeting packages. I've been on, I've been a planner, military planner, where we have to look at the range of things regarding a campaign, everything from kinetic strikes to special operations force options. And this is the deal regarding Corduroy.

you would have to have a strike package of 10 B-2 Spirit bombers coming in, one after the other within about three minutes, dropping the ordnance. So these are penetrators, but Jack, to get to the level we're talking, you're going to have to have 10, count them, 10 of those penetrators get deep enough to have an effect. That's how deep this thing is. So, and

And then, oh, by the way, what happens if we have to go in and verify we did the job we said we did? Oh, by the way, what happens to the radiation that comes spewing out once you penetrate the facility? So General Tony Zinni, the commander of Central Command, one of my friends and mentors, told me that Bill Clinton, this is back in the 90s, Bill Clinton would ask him, hey, General Zinni, can you do X? Can you defeat X? And he'd say,

And Zinni would say, yeah, I can do that. But then what? So I think, Jack, as much as we can talk about ordinance, we can talk about effects. Nobody can actually define what our end state is or what would happen if we do this. The then what seems to be the piece that everybody is missing. And I think President Trump has got it. That's why he's taken a deep breath and thinking about this before we act.

Well, look, and you've got MIT professors that are coming out now, and I've seen some of the BDA battle damage assessments of these bunker busters. And I hear them, and they'll go up, these cheerleaders, these neocons will say, well, you just fly one plane over, and you drop one bomb, and then the next plane flies over, and it's going to drop another bomb, and it'll go in the same hole, and that bomb will be able to get deeper behind the first one. I said, what? What did you just say?

I mean, the GBU, it's not precision-guided munition. It has some guidance, but these things are bombs. They are not missiles. They are not designed for that sort of thing. Plus, by the way, this Fort O's site

And we've been going through some of the information on it that it does have the ability for blast deflection. Tony, walk us through the theory of blast deflection. It's this obviously most famously used on tanks, but they use the exact same type of theory here on this bunker.

So basically 90 degree angles defeat things. So and sloped arm are the same thing. You have an angle where something hits, it goes off. So within the context of deep underground, you have things that will defer blast up, defer blast down, or curve a blast. Because once you hit it, that blast has to go somewhere. So what I do know for a fact is

is that over the past 30 years, the Iranians have watched what we've done from the first Gulf War until now regarding our ordnance. So they have planned, Jack, with an understanding of what we can do. They watched the first Gulf War, the second Gulf War. They watched us take out Saddam Hussein and others' hardened facilities. They have a general understanding of what we can do.

Jack, they designed this facility around the known capabilities. So again, the penetrators, they are a good weapon to go after a certain amount of depth. But once you get to that depth, they have now planned to have certain diffuse. That's why I'm saying

this one or two bombs, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're going to have at least 10 to have some effect. And even with 10, I'm skeptical because of the very thing we're talking about, deflection technology, the design. You can design these things so that when you're that deep, that blast will go different directions away from the facility. And then again,

Say we're successful. What happens to the radiation? What happens to the uranium we're trying to get at? There are other better options that I can't get into necessarily here right now that we would be able to use against a deep underground facility. It does not require this level of destruction or potential outcome where you have radiation leaking into the world. But that's not being talked about right now.

No, it's not. And ultimately, the only way to really be able to verify this, plus, by the way, you know, just basic common sense is, would it be possible for the Iranians to move this uranium within the two-week period or potentially have moved it even prior to this, obviously creates problems.

a significant amount of challenges that you're not really gonna be, and then by the way, Tony, we've got about a minute till the break here, but this is what you and I always talk about is, this is why you can't sacrifice human intelligence. This is why you need human intelligence. This is why you need people on the ground to be able to know this type of intel before you commit to military operations. You're not gonna get it with SIGINT, and you're definitely not going to get it with just a satellite. You need to have people

people that are actually in there know what's on the ground. So whether that's Israeli, whether that's American, the questions surrounding this thing, I think are a lot deeper, you know, pun intended, than most of the media is letting on. Oh, yeah.

Oh, to that point, Jack, I've worked other operations against other nuclear nations where we've had inside information. And that information helped us make, I would argue, very effective decisions regarding the nuclear program. But, Jack, we had to have people on the inside of it. That is hard to do if you keep blowing up scientists just saying...

That's an interesting question, Tony. Is it possible that scientists could be turned and used as assets for a human intelligence program? I can't imagine anyone in the world who would think of doing such a thing as that. Human Events Daily will be right back here on Real America's Voice. Today, you know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers, and they're friends of mine.

Jack Kosovic. Where's Jack? Jack? He's done a great job. All right, folks. Jack Kosovic. We are back here at Human Events Daily. Real America's Voice, Washington, D.C. We're on with Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer. We're talking intel. We're talking bunker busters. We're talking slanted armor. We're talking about the magical thinking that's going on

on cable news and particularly corporate media telling us that, hold on, we can just have this march to war and we can blow up this nuclear site and everything's going to be hunky-dory. It's going to go great, by the way. We'll be greeted as liberators once we get some boots on the ground. And you've heard Lindsey Graham and James Lankford and Tom Tillis are out there calling for regime change and said they want to go further. But then they're also telling us that America needs to get involved when –

I thought, I'm sorry, I was told America didn't need to get involved last week. We take care of this on our own. So when it comes down to it, Tony, look, you served, you've been there. Does it make sense for this rush to war right now with the high-pressure sales tactics and the upselling of regime change to President Trump without any national debate whatsoever or even any general understanding of the facts on the ground before we rush into one of these things?

No, the optimism and medical thinking of the neocons, and that's both left and right. I mean, they're in both parts. It's insane. Remember, going back to the Civil War, the Battle of Manassas. Oh, yeah.

Everything will be done by next month. Next thing you know, 1861 turns into 1864. Same with World War I. World War II was the only war I know of where everything was compact. We actually knew what we were doing. We set up a number of objectives and got it done. Every other war has been protracted and without a clear end in sight. Korea is still going on to this day. We have the demilitarized zone and armistice. Vietnam went on forever. Afghanistan went on forever.

Jack, we heard the same thing in 2003 regarding Saddam Hussein. We'll be welcome with liberators. We will be women and children will be throwing flowers at our feet. How long? We're still not resolved with that. So anytime I hear optimism for those who have never served, and I'm sorry, Lindsey Graham is not really served. He was a JAG, a lawyer in uniform. I don't think his service is worth the paper it is regarding his being an Air Force guy.

I think anytime you put politicians in charge of strategic thinking, you get a completely inappropriate and unrealistic perspective on what could become if we use military force. And Tony, these people, they don't they never even heard about order of battle. They don't even know what a basic order of battle analysis is. And so when I'm sitting there saying order battle or asking basic questions about what

what this fight's gonna look like, people are saying, "Oh, why are you talking about that episode before?" Because that's how you have the fight, okay? What kind of interceptor missiles do you have? How many interceptor missiles do you have? By the way, we've got a box out back, lower corner, President Trump about to leave from the White House, about to depart. And now, of course, even the media is starting to admit, they say, "Wait a minute, Israel doesn't have infinite missiles." Oh, wait.

And America doesn't have infinite missiles as well. President Trump now is departing. We can see him boarding Air Force One right there on screen. So look, Tony, President Trump, he's got a lot on his shoulders right now. He's got big shoulders and he can handle it. And I think that these are some of the conversations and questions that he's asking himself. We need to let him do his job. I see people who you and I know and admire

saying, oh my God, he's broken his promise. He's not broken his promise yet. He's doing his job.

We have yet to use military force against Iran. People may be uncomfortable with how close we are using it, which I am too. But Jack, I'll end by saying we need to have leaders who always begin with the end in mind. What are you trying to achieve? And do we have the adequate resources and political will to do it? Because too often we get into the middle of things, Afghanistan, Iraq, with no clear understanding of what we're trying to achieve.

We throw people in there. They give up blood and treasure and their lives for purposes that are completely obtuse and unclear. So if we do this, we have to have the debate, like you mentioned, and an understanding that we're going to lose men and women in combat. But we have to have an appropriate and effective and achievable end goal that's worth sacrificing for. I think President Trump understands that.

Well, I think we understand that as well, that when it comes to these issues, the issues of war and peace, the understanding, and of course, nobody wants a nuclear war. No one. Absolutely not. And so the goal here, of course, has always been how to best secure the American people. Tony, where can people go to follow you for all the breaking updates on this and everything you're putting out?

So always check me on X, D Spooky, and then ProjectSentinel.com. Jack, always enjoy our conversation. Thanks for having me. Thanks so much, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, folks. This operation, like any military operation, a bit more complicated than anyone thinks. We need to stop the magical thinking and actually talk to the experts who have been there in the field. Be right back. And Jack, where is Jack?

Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting policies.

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That's blackoutcoffee.com slash poso. Stop waiting and wake up. Very excited to welcome back on the program the former deputy director of communications for the Trump campaign 2024. Last year we had her on the program so many times. She joins us yet again. It's Caroline Sunshine. Caroline, how are you?

Jack, how are you? I'm great. I'm just, you know, I'm trying to enjoy my summer and make sure that the U.S. doesn't get involved in another prolonged war in the Middle East, make sure we can get all those illegal immigrants out of our country. But other than that, I'm great. How are you? Guys, I'm having a little issue with Caroline's audio. For some reason, I can't hear her, even though we were definitely just checking this out two seconds ago and I could hear her. But

Caroline was on and I saw giving an interview yesterday and just a phenomenal job. Oh, you guys are telling me it's up now. Sorry about that. Caroline, are you there? Hey, are you still there?

Hey, there it is. Now it's perfect. The technology overlords have smiled upon us for once. You gave an incredible interview yesterday speaking out about some of this and what I'm dubbing magical thinking. I think there's this magical thinking that's going on in Washington, D.C., in corporate news and in a lot of places right now regarding the Israel-Iran conflict. And

Look, you know, people know on this show we have a lot of care for the Holy Land, and we're generally very anti-war when it comes down to it. We don't like war. We know these things spiral out of control. And yet there are people who are just straight up attacking you or, you know, not you personally, but attacking me and others, Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, others, for simply raising a few skeptical points.

regarding this thing. And I just thought it was incredible that you, with the platform that you have, were willing to also voice some of the concerns and really from the perspective of veterans and units that had lost members and lost brothers and lost family members in the wars that we just finished fighting in the Middle East.

Well, thank you. And all I was trying to do was speak up the way that the American people spoke up in this last election. You know, 60% of Americans don't want to see more US military involvement in the Middle East. That poll just came out yesterday. And unfortunately,

60% of voices in media aren't reflecting that. And, you know, I'm looking at people like Mark Levin and Mark Levin is loud. Doesn't mean that he's right. Um, actually, you know, I would love to debate Mark Levin. Um,

I would love to debate him. Mark, if anybody is watching, Mark, I would love to debate you. Jack, maybe you can host us on your show. We could do it on Mark's show anytime, anyplace, anywhere. But just because Mark is being and I mean, I mean it. I mean it when it comes to something as serious as the U.S. getting involved again in Middle East.

we should have that debate. And just because somebody is loud doesn't mean that they're right. I don't know much about Mark Levin. I know that he has said that he wouldn't vote for President Trump. I know that he said that, direct quote, I'm not accountable for anything, any of the dumb things President Trump and his supporters say. I know that Mark Levin is out there

calling millions of Americans unpatriotic for not wanting to get involved in the Middle East again. So he's calling 60% of Americans unpatriotic. I think that's really dangerous rhetoric. I think that is the same rhetoric that was used

during the Iraq war to try and manipulate the American public into buying the lie that Iraq had WMDs. You were told that, you know, unless you buy the lie that Iraq has WMDs, you're not patriotic. You know, the Dixie chicks were canceled for that, for speaking out against President Bush because they didn't want to go to war. They were canceled by the right, by the way. I don't

think millions of Americans are unpatriotic for not wanting to go to war in the Middle East again. And it's leftist rhetoric that he's using too. That is the same tactic that the left uses. If you don't want

millions of unvetted illegal immigrants pouring into your country, you're unpatriotic because America is a nation of immigrants and we're supposed to welcome the cold, the tired, the poor, the huddled masses. And if you don't like that, you don't like illegal immigrants coming to your country, you're unpatriotic. So I just, I don't agree with calling millions of Americans, 60% of Americans unpatriotic for not wanting that. I don't think Mark Levin speaks for Americans.

Americans under 30. I mean, President Trump always talks about how proud he is that he won the youth vote by 30 points, that he won young men overwhelmingly. And it's not, if the American military is to get involved again in the Middle East, God forbid, it's not going to be Mark Levin that gets sent to the front lines. I mean, if we were to drop Mark Levin

in Iran, that would be quite the bunker buster because he's a large guy. But it wouldn't be Marc Levin being sent to the front lines of Iran. It would be young men under 30. And I don't feel like the voices in media are painting an accurate picture of what war would look like. We're not having that conversation. We didn't have that conversation leading up to the Iraq war. We're not having that conversation now. But

Something I would point out is back in 2003 during the Iraq war, women couldn't serve in combat. They can now. And I don't think the American public is ready to see images of women that look like me being blown up by IEDs and

I don't think that's a good thing for President Trump's legacy either. President Trump has done so much to make sure that men can't participate in women's sports. Why are we now going to go burn all of that by letting women get blown up in combat in the Middle East? That's not something that I stand for. That's not something that I think would be good for his legacy. I was really grateful that the president said he's going to

pursue this two-week time period. And what I'm concerned about is voices in the American media trying to undermine the president's decision to pursue peace and to pursue negotiation over the course of these two weeks or sooner. But my offer stands. Mark Levin, Katie Pavlich, any of these voices, happy to debate anytime, anywhere. If you want to do two-on-one, happy to do it. But it's an important debate and we should have it.

Well, Caroline, I mean, I've seen the same...

tenor of their comments out there and I've seen the way that they're talking as if you are some kind of traitor to the United States for raising basic questions or you know me I put on my military officer hat and I say well okay well how many missiles do you have and how many interceptors how does the Iron Dome actually work and can they sustain something like this these bunker busters you get this magical thinking that I always say oh it's you know it's one hit it's going to be done they're not going to have nukes anymore I said really

Are you sure about that? Have you ever put together a targeting package? Have you ever run strikes like this? Have you ever participated in one of these operations? Because guess what? That's exactly what amateurs say. People have never actually looked at one of these problem sets or done anything like this before because you never know.

what the strike is going to look like until afterwards, especially a massive and completely novel strike like the one you're talking about here. And they say, oh, we're going to have one bunker buster, and then the second one's going to come in, and it's going to burrow down deeper after the first bunker buster. I'm like, what are you guys? This is like Star Wars, and it's Luke Skywalker, and Obi-Wan Kenobi, turn off your targeting. He's going up against the Death Star with the heat vest. Guys, you're watching a little bit too much Marvel.

Like, can we just can we have a serious conversation about military matters here? Maybe we talk some people who have been in the military and actually look at this. And by the way, that's nothing against the training. That's nothing against the patriotism and the grit.

and valor of the soldiery and the airmen and pilots. It's just reality, okay? We're just talking about reality. We're talking about math. We're talking about physics. And the physics aren't necessarily on our side. And a lot of the people that have been looking at this problem set, particularly with this Fort O facility, say, wait a minute, the physics on hitting this thing are going to be extremely hard. It's very complicated. It's going to take potentially, and Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer was just on here saying, you might need 10 runs on this thing. So 10 B-2 bombers

or five if you use in tandem with the dual drop bays to be able to knock this thing out. And that's five to 10 hits. Who knows what could happen, right? And it just comes down to that. Who knows? Are Americans, I'm just going to say it, are Americans prepared, even in this limited strike, prepared to see what would happen if Iran were able to shoot down a B-2 bomber?

and the amount of video that you would see on some of that, or God forbid, a malfunction, or something like that. And I'm not saying it's likely. I'm just saying you have to consider these things when you're conducting military planning for an operation over Indian country, or an operation over hostile territory like this. All of these things need... When we were...

I served in, I was stationed in Guam a couple of times. And when they ran the invasions into Guam, there were people who didn't track the depth of the mud and the depth of the water. And there were times that during the invasion of Guam that Marines would be jumping out. And these kids, 18, 19 years old, would be jumping out, fully loaded up, fully kitted down with packages and grenades and weapons and ammo. And they were so heavy that they sank right into the sand.

They sank right in the sand and they couldn't get out. Right. We saw this. You saw it in D-Day as well. And I'm sorry, but before we get into any of those conversations, we better darn well know what we're talking about before any single American gets sent into something like that. One minute until the break, Caroline Tunchoff. Absolutely. And, you know, while we're at it, let's talk about other conversations that we're not having.

Supposedly, Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear weapon. I have a feeling that is becoming the same Iraq has WMDs 2.0 lie because there is no current U.S. intelligence assessment that says that. But let's play it out. Let's have the conversation that I haven't seen anyone have. You and me, Jack. What if Iran does have a nuclear weapon?

Okay, so what? Let's play that out. I don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, but let's just play that out. And the danger would be, of course, what if they were to use it in a retaliation against Israel, against one of our forces, or another? I mean, that's the real danger here, and I don't hear anybody talking about this. We're coming up on a break, and we're asking a lot of questions that nobody seems to want to take time to actually consider. Well, we are here, because this is Real America's Voice. Be right back.

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An earthquake apparently has taken or has occurred, just occurred a few kilometers west of Tehran, of course, capital of Iran. The earthquake apparently occurred at very deep depth of, and I'm seeing various numbers on this, potentially 35 kilometers underground or even 13 kilometers underground. This is far too deep to be the facility, the

And it's nowhere near where Forto is. And so we're going to keep an eye on this. Obviously, it is a very mountainous region. It's a region where there's been a lot of tectonic activity. Of course, everyone on edge because, of course, we know everything that's going on here over the last week. We're on with Caroline Sunshine, the former deputy director of the Trump campaign's communications. And Caroline, thank you.

This conversation that you're having and that we're having is, I think, important because there are huge costs associated with this.

And what I've really been trying to drive home today as well is to say, look, you know, the people of Tehran, right, and people need to see what Tehran actually looks like. And no one has taken a look at this. No one knows how they're going to respond if the United States bombs them. And there's this question.

you know, refrain that, oh, they're just going to greet us as liberators and it's going to be this wonderful thing. I don't know if that's totally confirmed. And it certainly wasn't in Iraq or Afghanistan. And we could easily find ourselves sucked into a very, very bad situation. I think that there's no reason for the United States to engage in any kind of regime war, regime change in the region. It's it's

really unpopular with the American people. I cannot begin to describe how unpopular it is. If you did want to undertake a popular regime change, honestly, the most popular one would probably be against Prime Minister Netanyahu himself. If you stand with Israel, it's hard to stand with his government. He's got a 30% popularity rating. He almost lost control of his government a day before those strikes.

He has been wrong about intelligence assessments for a long time. There's sufficient evidence that he didn't even listen to intelligence assessments leading up to the October 7th attack.

This is a guy that said that taking out Saddam Hussein would be a prosperous thing for the region of the Middle East. But I also want to go back to the fact that people are saying, all right, well, President Trump has been consistent for 10 years saying that Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. That's true. He has said that for a decade. He's been very consistent in that position.

But that's very clever framing as well, because what he hasn't said is Iran can never have a nuclear weapon and we're willing to use the United States military and intervention to make sure that doesn't happen. That's not what he has said. If anything, his track record shows he has a bias towards negotiation. He has a bias towards negotiating for peace.

But let's play this out. Right now, there are people screaming on TV saying that Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear weapon. They've been saying that for 30 years. Netanyahu himself has been saying that for 30 years.

The current U.S. intelligence assessment does not assess that Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear weapon. In fact, I don't think President Trump himself would have agreed to this recent two-week timeline if Iran was truly five minutes away from a nuclear weapon. So just because people who were speechwriters in the Bush administration and architects of the Iraq war are going on television saying Iran is five minutes away from a nuclear weapon doesn't make it

True. And that's important because this is a country that has a history of selling convenient lies to its people to get it involved in conflicts that have been very costly. Of course, I'm talking about the lie that Iraq had done to UFB and we had to go now.

Right, right. And I have some background on this that I got from a source who was in the closed door meeting with Ratcliffe and the others. And people have made a lot of talk about his one yard analogy. And people are telling me that, wait a minute, he was not talking about any kind of new intel or new assessment that Trump, Ratcliffe, J.D. and Tulsi are actually on the same page. And in fact, he was making a football reference about something else. And all of the Warhawks

are taking out of context. Caroline, we are out of time for the show. I do hope you come back. What is your social media where people can follow you? Thank you, Jack. And thank you for using your voice and for your show. You guys can follow me at CSunshine.

At Sea Sunshine, it's as simple as that, folks. And so you've got Caroline Sunshine now who's speaking out with, and by the way, not speaking out, but speaking out against the warmongers and the war hawks and the neocons for this rush to judgment. President Trump, who's up in Bedminster now on his way, President Trump is the one who will make the judgment. And President Trump has always said,

Peace is the prize. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to play a short.