MSM Melt Down Over South African Refugees Escaping White Genocide
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A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec. Christ is King. A festive atmosphere here in Tel Aviv as Israeli soldier Idan Alexander, an American citizen, receives a hero's welcome after being freed by Hamas. He was taken hostage during the October 7th attacks.

and held captive. White South Africans have been granted refugee status by the Trump administration here in the US. The administration has worked to speed up the refugee process for the Africaners. The Trump administration has accused South Africans, black majority government, of violence and discrimination against them. Now, if the Constitution in South Africa is discriminatory, they have

their checks and balances in that land, just like we do. And that is for them to, so if the Afrikaners don't actually like the land, they can leave that country. They are. They're leaving to come here. No. These refugees are coming here. They can actually leave and go to where their native land is, which is probably Germany. Just days after ICE agents arrested Newark Mayor Ross Baraka, a group of

clergy members held a protest demanding to know about the conditions inside. Overnight, President Trump touching down in Saudi Arabia, escorted by military jets, a lavish welcome for his first visit to the Middle East since his reelection. President Trump is touting an economic agreement he just signed with the Saudi crown prince on the first leg of his Middle Eastern tour.

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And Scott, you're going to work on that very hard. But John has agreed to open up to the United States for trade and everything else. I believe it is God's job to sit in judgment, my job to defend America. Shoot to kill, Yamazat. The poor, the farmer, the farmer, the power.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily here live from Washington, D.C. It's a rainy, foggy Washington, D.C. Today is May 13th, 2025. I know, Dominique. Folks, the media is absolutely melting down over President Trump's

refugee program for South Africans fleeing what many have called white genocide. This idea that the expropriation act of 2024 in South Africa and the ongoing mass killings of white South African farmers, many of whom who have lived on the land for 400 years,

Keep in mind, 400 years. This part of South Africa did not exist as a cultured land, as agri-land, arable land, prior to their arrival 400 years ago. And yet when President Trump has offered, by the way,

This status has only come in for a couple of dozen people. The media is losing their minds. And so the first group of them came to Washington, D.C. yesterday and incredible scenes where when's the last time, by the way, you saw refugees coming from somewhere who were flying the American flag, who were waving it, who were saying that they were happy to come here, saying that they were happy to

to be here. You know, this is something where, by the way, over 67,000 South Africans have expressed interest in this. Of course, Stephen Miller, Elon Musk have talked about it, and the welcome at Dulles International Airport yesterday has gone viral. By the way, these are competent workers, people who know how to grow food, who are, by the way, actually facing direct

Death, slaughter, brutal killing at the hands of forces backed by their own government. And yet for some reason, the media is upset at President Trump for allowing them to come in. Well folks, all I have to say is real refugees welcome. We'll be right back. Human Events Daily continues. - Everyone to understand what America first truly means. - Welcome to the second American revolution.

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Go to protectwithposo.com today. Very excited to welcome on now, we've got my brother and also the, I guess, international correspondent for Human Events Daily, Kevin Posobiec.

who was there with us in Rome as the conclave was held, which resulted in the election of Pope Leo XIV, a shock choice. Kevin, you were actually there on top of St. Peter's Basilica as the Pope was making his entrance, even before that, before his name was read off. Kevin, put the audience aside

in your seat from your vantage point from being able to be up there. We've got this stunning footage that you've been able to combine together. Tell people what it was like. Well, Jack, it was a lot like the mixture of Christmas morning plus being at a New Year's Eve ball drop plus the Olympics plus a kid in a candy store, honestly. As a Catholic, you couldn't really ask for much better.

We both got press credentials through the Holy See Press Office. There's an actual building just right down the block in the Vatican City. And yeah, that was one of the locations that we were designated to broadcast from. And as you can see, those are my pictures. I was able to witness it, the Albeimos Papam and the first address to

to the citizens of Rome from Pope Leo XIV. It was, I mean, a gorgeous day, a few clouds in the sky. I mean, you couldn't ask for much better. It was a picture-perfect moment. And it was very, very humbling for me personally and just, you know, really filled with joy because unlike, you know, an American election where we had two frontrunners, you

We had, what, 133 to choose from? So I was just overwhelmed with joy, really, when it actually came through because we didn't know, you know, again, unlike an American election, there wasn't a set date when it would be or who it would be. So, yeah, it was just, yeah, really, really glad to be there and just beside myself and

But I was able to say again. Kev, for the folks who weren't able to be there, just tell us what all you could see from your vantage point. Are you able to see the Pope? Was he far away? Were you able to see the crowd? What was it really like up there? Well, it was, so I was about maybe 200 feet away from the Logia, I believe it's called, the main balcony where he,

gave his address. So probably, I don't know, maybe 75 feet in the air. And yeah, I could see the entire crowd. There's thousands upon thousands of people. And yeah, I could see

On either side of the Pope, there were alternate balconies with all the other cardinals, law lined up, all in full regalia, full vestments, I should say. I don't want to mix up the terminology there too much. Yeah, I could see everybody. I could see the Vatican marching band, the entire Swiss Guard, you know, in formation. It was very, very...

traditional, everyone was lined up very formally. You could see the traditional flag draped and notably Pope Leo XIV came out in the traditional vestments. So a very good sign and a very good, you know, reception from the Latin mass community in that he did this compared to Pope Francis who came out very minimalistically in just white.

So, yeah, it was very, very memorable. And, you know, he said the beginning in Italian. And throughout the rest of the weekend, he came out and said the Regina Ciali in Latin. And, you know, it's just a win. It's just a great win so far. And I know, you know, the...

Real America's Voice community and maybe the War Room Posse too, they're a bit critical, as am I. But, you know, as I was saying earlier that we didn't really know and we still don't know. It hasn't been but a week since he's been elected. So, you know, just keep the prayers coming for him and for what he has to do for this great papacy and just the weight of all of it.

You know, we could go into the details and all the criticisms, but, you know, just off the bat, like being there, witnessing it, it was just a great celebratory kind of moment. And, you know, just made me proud to be Catholic, really. Yeah, I got to ask, man, you know, for a couple of guys who grew up on Powell Street, you know, our Philadelphia Archdiocese out of Naristan, did you ever think that we would be, you know, there at the conclave of a pope in Rome itself? No.

That's right, Jack. Two Polish guys, first jobs were in an Italian bakery in Delhi and now are at the top of the top of Rome during the election of the Pope. Go figure.

No, it's especially, especially I remember, you know, all those Sunday mornings where mom's sitting there going, you know, get your shoes on, get your, get your suit on, get ready for mass. It's time to get to mass. And we're like, oh, come on, mom, we got to go. Do we got to go? And now, you know, you look where we are all these years later and it's like, we're the ones telling, trying to tell people they need to go to church and they need to start going back to Jesus. And it's, it's

It's funny the way things work out the way you least expect sometimes. That's all I got to say. It sure is. And, you know, for what it's worth, I mean, in the week since, I've spoken with many, many traditional Catholics, young and old. And the verse that keeps coming up is Matthew 10, 16, which states, Behold, I am sending you like sheep in the midst of wolves.

so be shrewd as serpents and simple as doves well i've heard that going around too yes absolutely yeah yeah so i mean as catholics were called to be more obedient towards what the pope will say but as americans i mean hey our nature is rebellion and uh we have

freedom of speech to criticize and just really just brainstorm things and we could go on and on for hours as I am in other group chats but uh oh you know that's been going for sure and we were uh

We've been going around D.C. and even a few high offices in the D.C. area as well just earlier today talking about these very same conversations. But I do think, and I would agree with you, I think that this election of the new pope, we'll pray for him. We hope that it turns out well. But hopefully at the end of all of this, it leads to people turning back to God. Kevin Posobiec, where can people go to follow you, man?

You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Kevin Posobiec. And yeah, just real quick, I want to say I agree with you too, that I think Trump and Pope Leo XIV should get together sooner than later and accelerate their relationship. Maybe even Catholic convert J.D. Vance, our vice president. I would love to see him over in Rome. What do you think, folks? Send us an email, 1776 at humanevents.com. Should J.D. Vance head to Rome? Jack Posobiec, right back, Human Events.

Today, you know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack, where's Jack? He's got a great job.

Charlie Kirk show on the Salem radio network and the audience there. We've got now coming up because this is something we've been talking about for a while, but it bears repeating and we need to hammer down on this as we move through 2025 and into 2026. And that is the conduct of Senator Tom Tillis, as well as Senator John Cornyn and these other rhinos out there and what they did, the combination fight for

for Ed Martin. Kenny Cody, the opinion editor of humandevents.com joins us now. Kenny, walk us through your new piece. I mean, it just basically calls out these establishment DC Republicans that are still stifling the MAGA agenda. I mean, you have Tom Tillis who opposed Ed Martin's nomination for the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, where the most corruption in our entire nation consists of. I mean, rooting out the deep state, rooting against these establishment politicians,

and trying to root out that corruption has been one of the main focuses of the MAGA in general, one of the main focuses of the Trump administration. And for some reason, Tom Tillis, James Langford, John Cornyn, all of these establishment Republicans who want to cozy up to Trump and the MAGA movement whenever they want to run for the reelection campaigns and primaries, but yet oppose somebody like Ed Martin, who has been a beacon

And it has been a beacon of the America first movement. For some reason, we want to oppose those. We want to propose Ed Martin. We want to oppose tariffs. We want to oppose, you know, the lowering of pharmaceutical drugs and their impact on the country. But yet we want to cozy up to Donald Trump and the,

MAGA base when they want to run for reelection. This is exactly why MAGA was started. It was not just a war on the establishment left. It was not just a war on the deep state. It was a war amongst the establishment Republicans that control Washington, D.C. And that was going to start with putting Ed Martin there, Ed Martin there as the U.S. attorney in that position.

But yet we have to settle and place Ed Martin somewhere else in the DOJ, which I'm sure he will do an amazing job at because of opposition from neocon establishment Republicans like Tom Tillis, like James Lankford, and like John Cornyn.

And so this is here. Let me give you a pushback on this that that I get from media all the time. They say, and what's your response where they say, well, what if a more conservative candidate wins the primary? But then is it is it safe to say that they can win the general as well? Or would that create more of a vulnerability for Republicans in the general election? What would you say to that?

Look at the states where these establishment Republicans are at. Look, I understand the argument for Susan Collins. She's one of the only people that I even somewhat can see that argument for. But we're talking about North Carolina, a state Donald Trump has won all three times. We're talking about Oklahoma, the most dominant Trump state in the 2016, 2020, and 2024 elections, and a state like Texas that everybody's saying, well, Texas is going to go purple and never comes close.

These three dominantly red states are where these rhinos thrive. In states like North Carolina, it can at least be viewed as somewhat of a swing state, even though Trump's won it overwhelmingly all three times he's ran. But Oklahoma and Texas, there are absolutely no arguments. And we're not talking about somebody who's going to cost Trump a state when he's went literally nine and zero in all these states where we have these rhino establishment Republicans deriving from.

Look, I don't understand if this was, like I said, a state like Maine that is a solid blue state. There's a Republican senator there. I still think we should hold Susan Collins accountable and maybe we should run somebody against her in order to at least hold her accountable to the MAGA base that still votes in those Republican primaries. But in states like Oklahoma, North Carolina, and Texas, where the MAGA base literally decides elections, they decide primaries, they decide to give the states all to Donald Trump, especially in North Carolina, especially in Texas,

We have to ensure that we are getting people there who are right in America first. And Kenny, President Trump has been talking about these nation builders and these neocons. He just said something in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Guys, let's play that clip right now.

DONALD TRUMP: In the end, the so-called nation-builders wrecked far more nations than they built, and the interventionists were intervening in complex societies that they didn't even understand themselves. Peace, prosperity and progress ultimately came not from a radical rejection of your heritage, but rather from embracing your national traditions and embracing that same heritage that you love.

You know, Kenny, we just got a minute till the break, but I mean, that really sums it up, isn't it? These senators are still operating in that old model, aren't they?

They are, and they embolden issues like amnesty when it comes to illegal immigration. They don't want to embrace mass deportation. They want to embrace forever wars. They continue to nation-build and benefit off the military-industrial complex. These are the same Republicans that have voted for war for 20 years, the same Republicans who have voted for amnesty for 20 years, and the same Republicans who embolden the establishment rather than the MAGA base, and that's exactly what we want to reject as the America First movement.

Kenny, we got to run. We are going to South Africa for our next segment. Where can people follow you, brother? At KDKOTN on Twitter and always find me at humanevents.com in the opinion section of our website. All right, go follow him, folks. KennyKodyHumanevents.com and all of his writings. Dr. Ernst Rutz comes up next. Huge story, South Africa. It's everywhere. Stay tuned. Jack Posobiec, Human Events. And Jack, where's Jack? Where's Jack?

Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulitzer's

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Brew like a patriot brew blackout. That's blackout coffee comm slash po. So stop waiting wake up Want to set up our next interview here, but first I'd like to play a clip from President Trump yesterday speaking about South Africa Why are you creating an expedited path into the country for? because they're being killed and

We don't want to see people be killed. It's a genocide that's taking place that you people don't want to write about, but it's a terrible thing that's taking place. And farmers are being killed. They happen to be white, but whether they're white or black makes no difference to me. Television media doesn't even talk about it. If it were the other way around, they'd talk about it. That would be the only story they'd talk about. And I don't care who they are.

I don't care about their race, their color. I don't care about their height, their weight. I don't care about anything. I just know that what's happening is terrible. I have people that live in South Africa. They say it's a terrible situation taking place. So we've essentially extended citizenship to those people to escape from that violence and come here.

All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back. That's President Trump saying there is a genocide going on in Africa, particularly of farmers who happen to be white. I would love to now bring on a longtime guest, a hero on the program, someone who's written about this persecution, written about these issues extensively. We've done events together. It's Dr. Ernst Rutz. He is the executive director of the Pioneer Initiative, and he rejoins us once again on Human Events.

Dr. Rutz, how are you? Thank you very much for having me on. I'm doing well, Jack. Last time we spoke, I was in Washington, D.C., in your studio, and it's good to speak to you now from my house in Pretoria in South Africa. All right, so you're joining us from South Africa. Now, the media tells us that this persecution, it's

It's all made up, it's all figment of our imagination that it's not going on whatsoever, which is interesting because this is the same media that demands that the United States take in every single other person who declares asylum from all different parts of the world.

Walk me through this. Why are they so upset at President Trump speaking out on South Africa and allowing these? I mean, it's only been a couple of dozen migrants or a couple of dozen refugees, I should say, that have been let in. Why is it ignited such a media firestorm? Well, let me firstly say, if what's happening in South Africa could not be described as persecution, I'm not sure what persecution is.

Because what we are seeing in South Africa is minority communities, especially the Afrikaner people, being targeted in a variety of ways. We spoke about this before on your show, more than 140 race laws in South Africa discriminating against minorities.

We have attempts by the government or a process by the government to change the constitution to empower the government or the state to expropriate or confiscate private property without compensation. And they've made it very clear that they want to do this on a race basis. We have the farm attacks happening, the brutal farm attacks and the murders. We have politicians chanting about murdering and exterminating minorities.

and they're being protected by the president by the ruling party and by the courts and we have all of these things happening we have politicians calling on the africana people to leave south africa and say this doesn't point to some form of persecution i don't know what does

But I think to answer your question, it's I think the reason why people are so upset about this is because a particular narrative was created with regard to South Africa. And it's especially strong when it comes to South Africa, because in the 90s, South Africa was held up as this beacon of hope and evidence that the globalist experiment would work because South Africa is very big. It's basically a region, the southern part of Africa to an extent.

that has historically was a variety of countries. It was added together into one big country that's twice the size of Texas.

But it's inhabited by a wide variety of communities and so forth. And the idea was that we must do something very comparable to what they are trying to do with the European Union, is to have this one big central government over this vast territory. And everyone is just governed as if there are no differences between communities, as if there are no cultural differences, language differences, something like the Tower of Babel.

And and but it's not working. And to point out that it's not working really goes to the heart of this ideology, because you could rightly say South Africa is the DEI capital of the world. And now it's exposed for the whole world to see that this DEI capital is a failure.

Well, and let's drill down on the specific issue as well that President Trump is talking about. And really is this issue of the farm murders, which has been going on for a decade or more in South Africa, as far as I know. And I'm no expert on this, but I read things, I've seen documentaries on this.

I have people in South Africa who tell me that, yes, like yourself and others who come on the show and say, yes, this is absolutely what's happening, and we thank President Trump. And yet the government of South Africa, I believe even the current president has come out and said, no, none of this is happening. The Expropriation Act isn't real. Taking the land, it's not real. And yet I look at this, and it seems very real to me, especially when you look and hear some of these just –

nightmarish, hellish stories about what's going on on some of these farms. So walk me through the truth of it. So there are two ways I can answer that. The one is by giving you the statistics, which is that over a period of two decades, according to police statistics in South Africa, so that's the government statistics, there were on average two farm attacks happening every day and two murders happening during these attacks every week.

But the other way of explaining to you how bad it is, is to tell you personal stories. So I grew up in an agricultural community. I remember one morning we were in church one Sunday when someone ran into the congregation informing someone that his wife who stayed at home that day, who was an elderly lady, was murdered. Her throat was slit while we were in church.

I remember another friend of ours who was paralyzed because he was attacked on his farm. He was shot through his spine. He was paralyzed for the rest of his life. I remember a friend of mine who I went to school with who was murdered on a farm shortly after finishing high school. My own brother was attacked. My brother was attacked and held hostage on a small holding just close to Johannesburg. A cousin of my father

was stoned on a farm. And after she was stoned, from what we know, she was still alive when they pierced a garden fork through her head. And so these are just stories. And there are more. I can tell you more stories of people I knew who have been attacked or murdered.

And this is just my personal frame of reference. This is not even statistics. Now, you can go to another agricultural community in South Africa and you will hear the same type of stories. There's hardly a farmer in South Africa that doesn't know someone who was attacked or killed on a farm or who hasn't been attacked themselves.

And now to see the type of comments coming from some media outlets in America about this being a non-issue and these people are just racists and they're lying about what's happening. If you've lived through these things, if you've went to do funerals,

of friends of yours who have been murdered. And then you hear people, journalists and commentators trying to present this as a non-existing issue. It really is alarming. And for the left to be so obsessed about offensiveness and not doing things or saying things that others could interpret or regard as offensive, this is an extremely offensive position to take.

And I have to ask, so in the face of all this violence, this horrific criminality, what has been the response of the government of South Africa? Well, the response is mixed. It depends on the context in which they respond. In some cases, we have heard members of the South African government justify these murders, saying things like,

the farmers abuse their workers it's it's a typical you know socialist line it's oh because these people are bad employers and therefore their workers the workers go out and kill them when ironically government's own research on this has found that it's about one percent of cases of farm attacks or farm murders where the motivation has some form of a labor related uh cause so in some cases you hear government officials justifying this um

You spoke about Julius Malema and I see on the screen now the chanting of the kill the boer, kill the farmer chant. The South African human rights commission that is supposed to keep the South African government in check has ruled on this chant, this kill the boer, kill the farmer chant, saying that it is not hate speech to chant this. And the reason why it's not hate speech is when someone is accused of hate speech,

An important variable that you have to consider is the race of the person that is being accused. And because this person is a black person who's chanting, kill the boer, we have to recognize that he is black and therefore it's not hate speech, which is an extremely racist and bizarre comment. As far as the president of South Africa is concerned, his official position in the United States when he visited New York in 2018, and there are video clips of this online, he

He was asked about these attacks and his response was there are no farm murders happening. His official position seems to be that the problem doesn't exist.

which again is very alarming. And it's, it's quite bizarre to see them responding in such a way to the actions by the United States government and by president Trump, when it was, it's so obvious that some form of intervention needs to happen and that this has just gone too far. There has to be something needs to happen and people, it,

It was just a matter of time before people started to speak out. And we are very happy that President Trump was willing to break that barrier and open up this conversation. And it's something that he was able to do in his first administration as well. Not quite to this extent, but I know that he certainly brought it up quite a number of times to allow people to look into it. And by the way, the international community had no problem talking about South Africa throughout the 60s, the 70s.

and into the 80s and the 90s was a huge cause celeb with the election of Mandela. And yet here we are all these years later and the problems still remain. And yet the international community is completely silent. Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily. We're on with Dr. Ernst Rutz talking about President Trump's new South Africa program. We'll be right back.

Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again. Amen.

This is the controversial slogan that got many people, in particular white people, upset and venting their anger on social media platforms against economic freedom fighters. One prominent figure was Elon Musk and this is his tweet. He tweeted, "They are openly pushing for genocide of white people in South Africa.

Cyril Ramaphosa, why do you say nothing? Soon after Musk tweeted, Malema replied with this, which translates directly into, you are talking. These conversations led to many more joining in. The chant, kill the boer, kill the farmer, was popularized in the 1990s by Peter Mokaba.

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with Dr. Ernst Rutz from the Pioneer Initiative. He's the executive director in South Africa. He's telling us the truth about South Africa that our mainstream media and the Associated Press just simply won't do. Now, Dr. Rutz, we're looking at all of these issues. President Trump's got his program out there. We know there's obviously five million whites in all of South Africa. Now, not all of them, I believe, of course, would apply for this program.

refugee program. But when it comes down to it, for those of you who are still living there, what really can be done to protect in the face of all of this persecution? Well, thank you. And I'm happy that you asked that because it's a good thing for people who want to leave to be able to leave. And a lot of people have good reason for leaving. And there are different reasons why people would leave. But it certainly is the case that the majority of us

would stay in South Africa because we're a nation that was shaped and molded in South Africa. Africa is part of our DNA and we've been here for centuries. We've been in Africa since before the USA became a country. We've been here for hundreds of years. And so we need to work towards solutions. And I would say the answer to your question lies on two levels. You might say on a micro level and a macro level. And the micro level is

or the everyday tangible practical level implies our communities being well organized, being armed, having radio contacts, being trained to use our firearms to be able to defend ourselves and to build strong institutions.

And this is a fundamentally important part. But then on a macro level, and this is something that I will be very actively involved with from now on, we need to push for what you might call dispensational change in South Africa. And what I mean by that is we need a different economy.

a better political system, because what's happening in South Africa is facilitated by a political system that is completely detached from reality. As we mentioned earlier in this interview, and what we need is a political system in South Africa that is decentralized, that has a much weaker central government, if any central government at all. And

much stronger self-governance for communities. South Africa is very diverse. South Africa as a country is more diverse than the whole of Western Europe. And we need self-governance because there are a variety of communities, the Afrikaners being one in many. And if these communities are not able to govern themselves, to make laws that apply to their own people, to decide on how their own affairs are run, how their own tax money is spent and so forth,

we are going to continue to have problems like these. And I would really encourage your viewers, if they want to support, to support this pioneer initiative of ours, which is really aimed at pushing for a more sustainable political dispensation in South Africa. It's, as far as I'm concerned, the most important thing that we need to push for right now.

Well, and at the end of the day, what you're talking about is simply the same thing that was talked about for so many others in many other Western countries in the idea of the protection of the rights of the minority, which is clearly what the Boers and the white South Africans are. Dr. Rutz, where can people go to follow you and get more information on this very important topic?

Thank you very much. And once again, thank you for having me on. So I'm on social media. I'm on X and on...

Facebook and on YouTube under my own name, Aaron Strutz. But other than that, people can go to the Pioneer Initiative. The website is pioneerinitiative.org.za. ZA is the abbreviation for South Africa. So pioneerinitiative.org.za. All right, we'll keep that in the comments as well. This is Jack Posobiec. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.