Alexia Nepola and Jennifer Fessler and the Gray Divorce
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I'm so excited to be on today. I'm one of your celebrity mentors, Alexia Napola from the Real Housewives of Miami. And I'm so excited to have my fellow mentor, Jennifer Fessler from the Real Housewives of New Jersey on with me today. Hi, girl. How are you? Good. I'm doing great. How are you? I have to say, I'm very excited to have a chance to like, I mean, we've met before, but we haven't really had a chance to sit down and shoot the show.

And I'm a huge fan, I have to be honest. Thank you. I'm also a fan of your show and of you. And I'm so happy that we get to do this together and have some fun. Me too. Me too. It's going to be actually, I think, a really interesting episode. I mean, as long as it's not about me and my divorce, I can talk about anybody else's divorce, right? What divorce? Going there. I have a feeling you're a little tired of it.

Yeah, I kind of am. Yes, I am. You want me to ask you about it? When I got the notes, well, you know, it's not in the notes. And when I got the notes and I'm like, oh my God, of course, yes, I'll do it. As long as I don't have to get to talk about mine. But, you know, divorce is going on every single second, every single minute that we're talking, unfortunately. But, you know, sometimes, you know, it is necessary. And I feel like being in the public eye.

is just one of the causes of divorce just in itself. Just like for me personally, like that's what I believe. And today we're going to be talking about celebrities who are, you know, who are going through a divorce right now. And, you know, different kinds of divorces we're going to talk about, which is actually like fun and cute because I don't know about you, but I had never heard about gray divorce and silver divorce.

You know, I just, I want to say to you, and I'm not asking you anything. I just want to say that I think that it's like, I think it's so easy, right? For people on the outside to, to watch, they don't know what you've been through, but they know what they read or they know what they hear. And it just, what you've been through reminds me, I hadn't been divorced, but I was separated for like a year and a half. And there is, it is such a,

I'm very crass, Alexia, so forgive me. But it is such a mindfuck, right, when you have those types of feelings that you have. At least at my age, I was seeing someone when I was in my separation, and the feelings are overwhelming. For me, especially, I was older and got caught up in this relationship, and it felt like the sparks and the...

Chemistry and ultimately it wasn't right for me. And I'm not asking you about you and Todd, but people don't understand how hard that can be when you are intimately, emotionally involved with someone for whatever reason. And it doesn't matter what everyone says about,

does or what everyone does. It's like you close your eyes, at least for me, I remember. And all it is is about that person, that person, that person, that person, the person. And I just know you've been through it. And sister, I admire you because that's not easy. It's not easy. And you know, what's the most difficult part is having to share this, you know, on TV because, you know, it's already hard enough, gender. You're going through this privately, you know, between, you know, your husband and wife.

And then you're like put in a position that I was filming a show and I've always been very real. You know, I live my truth. I've been very authentic. And that's what you guys got to see. You know, you got to see and will continue to see because, you know, our episode is, you know, will be airing for a few months now. Yeah.

So for a few months, so you'll get to see like my whole journey and it really has not been easy, but there was, I had no other choice. And, you know, like I said, you know, you guys don't get to see the full story. You know, you get to see, you know, whatever day I was filming, whatever Alexa was doing that way. You know, I was that, you know, I was an emotional rollercoaster. You know, sometimes it was good. Sometimes it was bad. The highs, the lows. So you guys got to see me like,

the most vulnerable and however I showed up that day, whatever I was feeling, that's what you guys saw. But it was extremely difficult, Jen. Like I honestly, like, I don't know, but I feel like every season for me is like that. - Well, I can't, I'm not, and I don't say this just to be self-deprecating. I was a friend of a housewife for two years. It's not the same, right? Apples to apples. I haven't been through years and years of this. So, but for me, even on days that were bad, there's life outside of what the camera catches.

to have to sit there, go through glam. You're getting phone calls, whatever part of your life is creeping in. And whether it's, you know, for me, my husband, my kids, a friend is in trouble. And then it doesn't matter because then boom, cameras are on. But all of that stuff is still there. It's in your stomach. It's in your body. You know what I mean? It's like once you get that anxiety, my friend always says this, I think it's so true, like it's hard to get it out of your body. So now you're filming and you already have a lump in your throat.

And you're interacting and you're talking about things that it's hard to even focus on. I don't know. I give it. It was one of the hardest things that I've had to do. You know, one of the hardest things. And then reliving it because that's the other thing. That was something months ago. I had to relive all that. You know, episode one, episode two, which was a breaking point for me.

And, you know, and you'll get to follow my journey. You know, that's all like I want to say, like for now, I don't really want to talk about it. But, you know, you guys will get to see it. And, you know, for me, the most important thing is that it's unfortunate that you only get to see like, you know, bits and pieces, you know, because the show is not only about me. It's about other, you know, I shared the show with eight other women. You know, we all have a story to tell. And to a certain extent, it's about me.

Todd, I mean, it's not easy, right? It's like, I mean, you don't get to see the full story, you know, unfortunately for him, you know, since we're talking about him, you know, you're going to get to see that. But you know, there's good and bad, like in every relationship, and there's highs and lows. And you know, we're here today to talk about other people's divorce. Yes, yes. I just wanted to make sure that you want that you know that I appreciate

just what you're doing, how you're hanging on and you're inspiring. - Sometimes, thank you Jen, sometimes like your pain turns into purpose and if I can help any woman and that's not what I want, I'm not trying to play victim, I'm not trying to be inspiring, I'm just living my truth and I'm telling my story. - Well that's why by the way, we're talking about you guys, yes divorce, but

Right now, specifically, we're talking about women of a certain age that get divorced. And Alexa and I were just talking about something called gray divorce, which I hadn't heard of, or silver divorce. And I guess it's when people...

that are over 50 get divorced, over people that have had a long-term marriage. But there's all of these tips, I guess it was in USA Today, talking about how to survive that. Because I think it's probably different. Divorce is going to suck. It doesn't matter the age. It doesn't matter. But it's probably a little different and maybe even in some ways scarier when you're older and you've shared a life with someone for so many years. It's scary.

You've shared a house with someone. You've shared kids with them. You've shared money with them. And these things become, you know, all of a sudden you get upended and everything that you knew, I think, I mean, I haven't gotten a divorce yet. But anyway, so...

But there's this advice that in this article. So we'll just like, you just go through it and then you'll tell me. So one of the tips is don't expect to have the same lifestyle after divorce. That's a problem that stops a lot of women from wanting to get divorced because they're afraid, you know, to lose their lifestyle.

Women, yes, like stick, you know, to the relationship and because they're afraid, you know, they're going to afraid what's going to happen to them. And, you know, like we said, you know, they're older. So like, where do they start again? You know, women in the workforce don't have the same opportunities when they're 50s, you know, versus their 20s or 30s. So it's like a really scary position to be in. And by the way, I have friends who got divorced later in life. And I honestly, I hate

I hate to say it. Not all of them. Some of them are living their best lives. They, some of them that say divorce is so underrated, like it's the best, but I have many of them who also say they wouldn't do it again. You know, their lives got turned so upside down. What do you mean? They wouldn't do it. They wouldn't have to divorce again. Right. And so much of this,

I know you guys know this, but I'm sorry to say it out loud, but it's just about finances, right? And I guess for a lot of people, when you've lived a certain way, you know, you don't have to necessarily live like a housewife or a billionaire, but even whatever makes you, whatever's comfortable might not be so comfortable anymore, right? And like your standing habits may have to change and your home may have to change. And forget about the fact that you're also divorcing and

all the complications that go along with that. Not easy. Right.

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Well, luckily, we're going to speak about Dylan. What's his name? Oh, Dylan Mulroney. Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah. He because he just also he filed for divorce from his wife, whose name there's no way you try that. I can't do it. I know Prima something. She changed her name. Actually, I think she made it worse. I felt like her name before she changed it was a lot easier to see. She's Italian. Yes. So from her new name, Prima.

And, you know, and in their case, you know, you would you would wonder, you know, they're both she's a singer songwriter. You know, he's an actor. They have, you know, two actors.

children and they were together for 15 years, you know, and he filed. But so what do you think is happening? Do you think that people are just getting like tired of each other or they just like grow apart because they spend too much time apart and then they get comfortable with being alone? I mean, there's so much to unpack, you know, with these divorces. First of all,

we don't live in their houses. That's to start off with. Cause you know, we all have an opinion, but you know, we don't live in there. We don't sleep in their bedrooms. We don't know what goes on. Right. So we're just kind of like,

speculating on what could have gone wrong and only them to know what went wrong. - Listen, I'm sure, I don't know, I'm guessing they didn't read this article before they got divorced. And I think their issues, I don't know if it would be, if their issues are similar to getting a gray divorce, but like the money stuff, I would think for these types of people, for really big celebrities is also a very different thing, maybe more complicated, maybe less complicated. I think that he, it says that they're amicable.

Right. I mean, that's what the article said. It said no one's asking for anything. No one's denying anything. They're not arguing over children or money. That seems very, very unusual. They seem to have a mediator. They haven't hired an attorney.

They're trying to resolve it. You know, I think too that sometimes also I think it's a huge factor is when they both want out. So when they both want out, I feel like it's going to be amicable because there's nothing to fight about. I don't want to be with you and you don't want to be with me. And, you know, we have two children and they're almost 18 years old and we want to be good parents.

And we're going to be civil about this. So I think that's a lot easier. I think it becomes a problem when, you know, when it's not consensual, you know, when they're not in the same page, it's not mutual. Like one really wants to be the divorce. The other one doesn't want it. And, and that, and also money, if you're not fighting over money, I think money is like the number one thing that couples fight about.

Yeah, you see it. You see even like the divorces that maybe could have started out amicable dissolve. I don't know how PK and Dorit's divorce started out if it was amicable. But all I keep reading is that I don't know the truth, but they're fighting over money. Let me ask you this, Alexia, if you you're getting divorced, you've lived in a house for years and years and years. Do you because they said something about don't get hung up on the house? Yeah, because women usually get hung up on the house. But then guess what happens? They can't afford it.

Because, you know, that's what happens. And then whatever little money they're getting or whatever, even if it's a lot of money, right? They're spending everything on the home, on the mortgage, on the expenses, and then they run out of money. I am always a firm believer that it's better to have cash. You know what? You want the house, stick your butt, stick your house up your butt. And I don't want your house. And you stay with the house and you deal with it. I always feel like it's better to have cash, you know, in your bank.

Yep. Yep. Yep. So listen, I think that for me personally, I wouldn't even want to stay in the house. Like the house is part of the old life. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't know, but I know a lot of women do. They don't want to be kicked out of their house. And I understand that. But for me also, I, and again, I, maybe I'm just saying this and when it, if it

actually happened, I would feel differently. But I would want such a fresh start, such I would want smaller, I would want easier, whatever makes my life more peaceful. And I think a lot of women do get caught up in that. And I think they get caught up on it. First of all, it feels like it's their house, of course. Maybe it's the size, they don't want to downsize. But also, I mean, the experts are now saying, you know, just you won't leave, I won't leave the house, like you're doing yourself a disservice in a way. So which I think is interesting, right? No,

If you can't afford it, you're definitely doing yourself a disservice. But sometimes it's more like pride. You know, like I stayed with the house. You know, I understand sometimes that moms, you know, women that are moms and have children want to stay in the house. You know, the children are already going with that trauma of, you know, their father not living there and the separation. So they want to keep the children in the home because it's familiar and it's just better for them as a family unit, for the mom and the children. But, you know,

speaking about divorce later on in life, the great divorce, these older women are staying with the homes. And then what happens is they burn all their money. They go through the money just to maintain the house. And then they're left with nothing. Right. Yeah. I'm totally on the same page. What about, so when I was separated and we were talking about divorce, this is going back a long way, but we've, I, in my mind, like you have to be married to a certain person.

a certain amount of years, then you get permanent alimony and what kind of alimony was good. But I don't think any of that, I don't know, I don't know exactly how it stands right now, but I don't even know if there's any such thing as permanent alimony. Right. And if you get it, I don't, things have changed a lot.

they have, you know, to benefit the men and with all the defense, you know, you know, a lot of these men, you know, they do were stuck with permanent alimony so many years ago, you know, do grow older. And then what are the chances that they can retire, you know, and like semi have like money for them too. So, you know, I'm,

I'm 50-50. I feel like there should be some kind of law that alimony can't be until social security agents or you're so much older because a lot of men have to keep on working, can never retire because they need to take care of their wife. But I think that also depends on the state. It depends also like every state has different laws and whatnot. But some of these women in other defense have never worked a day in their life.

So imagine you marry your high school sweetheart, like in their 20s, or and, you know, you have children, you never work, you know, they give you like this, you know, beautiful, incredible life, where women have never like had to, you know, be responsible for bills or anything. And then they're left at 50 something, and they usually replace you with somebody that's younger. So you know, apart from everything you're going through, you also have to worry about

How are you going to live the rest of your life? No, it's brutal. And, you know, I just, I feel like, and all of this depends on the specific couple and, but there's always just so much mess. Did you hear about Portia Williams? Have you, did you read that? Yes.

By the way, did you see that in, what was it in? In People Magazine. Oh, my God. She was doing the Angela Bassett thing? Yes. Oh, that was so badass. I love Portia. I got to know Portia. We were on the Ultimate Girls trip together to Thailand. And she brought so much joy. You know, she just lights up a room when she comes in. And by the way, she flew because her work ethics are so strong.

And she left Simon and her family to come film with us at the Ultimate Girls Trip. And she had just been on this beautiful vacation, you know, with Simon all over Europe. And she flew from there basically to Thailand so she can work.

And, you know, I totally understand Portia because I feel like she's like me. Like we believe in love, the idea of love and the romanticism and the whole thing. So she meets this guy and she swept off her feet because he's like a prince, you know, from Africa, whatever, you know, I mean, not literally a prince with a title, but I'm just saying like, and he treats her like a princess.

And she's just like, falls in love with him. You know, she's not, she hasn't had such great relationships in the past. So it's easy, you know, when you're like down and vulnerable or whatever, like somebody comes, you know, into your life and you're like, whoa, I can like that. You know, I mean, you fall in love with the person.

She talks about, I think they were like, there was a 15 year age gap, right? Or 17 year. 17 years. Yeah. Do you think that that's a factor? I think that the break, if I had to do it again, I'm going older and I am, I don't know if that was a factor specifically in their breakup. I feel like, especially when you've been through a lot, what you look for, probably at least my opinion, I would look for peace.

Yeah, but that doesn't guarantee peace. An older man absolutely doesn't. And an older man does not guarantee stability either. You know, there's a lot of older men that are emotionally unavailable. They're emotionally immature and they bring nothing to the table. So, but I do get it in her case because she was so excited about this man, even though I know it was like the husband of one of her friends on the show. You know, I don't.

have too much information about that or do I care because I don't think anybody really breaks anybody's marriage. Obviously, he was not okay with his ex when he wanted to date Portia. That's a whole different thing. What I'm trying to say is that

I understand why she fell in love with this man. And, you know, she kind of thought that he was going to like save her from whatever she was looking for. You know what I mean? We're all looking for different things in different stages in our lives. You think that you are more susceptible? Like, I think that if I'm looking for love, because even you're right, older men don't necessarily, they're not necessarily more stable. They're not necessarily more emotionally aware. No, no.

But for me, I would just be so tired. You know, at some point, what do you want in life? I mean, I don't know if you, let's not to make this about you, but like, do you still want at a certain age, are you still looking for the spark of,

I mean, you always talk about, you know, how it's important that you're so attracted. I know that talk about topic. You're always so attracted. I mean, I've read through my journey. I've like come to understand that a spark is not a good thing. Right. But you know what? Sometimes you don't have that spark and it still doesn't turn out the same. So I need to feel excited. I need a little bit of that spark and I need a little bit of that challenge.

But at the same time, and I've wanted this at all stages of my life, not now that I'm older, I've always wanted peace, stability, and just happy, like a happy family. Like, you know, I love my children and I love my children to be happy with me and whoever I'm with. And just be happy. I mean, that's what I've always wanted. And just peace. I want you to come to add things to my life.

Not because I lacked them, but because I just wanted to be even better and have more joy. That's the trick. You have to be attracted to someone. You have to be excited. After all these years, I always make jokes about I'm in menopause and I never had sex again. I always want to touch my husband. I want him to be close to me physically and emotionally.

You know what I mean? Just like even if it's just holding hands, he makes me feel safe and I like the way he smells and whatever, all of that. But I think at some point, maybe the good thing about going through a silver divorce or whatever is that you're smarter. And you're right. It's not just you get older does not necessarily mean more. But you're smarter. Right. And you know what you want. I think that's the key thing. I think as we get older, you

you know, and we may change, you know, you can't be changing husbands every time like we change. But what I'm trying to say is as we get older, you know, we really know what we want and we're not going to settle. I think when we're younger, we settle. And when there's children, you know, involved, you know, we settle as well. But I feel like now, you know, at our age, we really know where

You know, what we want and we're not going to, you know, and, you know, we have our boundaries. You know, we've created like a different vision of what makes us, of how we want to be happy. And it has to be somebody that's going to, you know, be on the same ride with us, you know? So I just gave my summer wardrobe a much needed refresh. Cute dresses, breezy linen sets. But then I realized I had no sandals to go with anything.

Enter the Macy's Great Sandal Sale, and it could not have come at a better time. Right now, it's buy one pair, get 40% off, or buy two or more and get 50% off. So yes, I stocked all the way up. I grabbed some gorgeous platform sandals from Steve Madden that give every outfit a little lift, plus these dreamy strappy heels from Dolce Vita that are perfect for the summer celebrations I have coming up.

And for days I'm running errands or sightseeing, well, I added a pair of Clarks to the mix because comfort is key and they've totally stepped up their style game. Whether your summer plans include celebrations, weekend trips, or just upgrading your work look, Macy's has it all. Shop the Macy's Great Sandal Sale at macys.com or in store from June 25th through July 7th. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal.

Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone, most of all his wife Caroline. He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me. Caroline's husband was living another life behind the scenes. He betrayed his oath to his family and to his community. She said you left bruises, pulled her hair, that type of thing. No.

How far would Joel go to cover up what he'd done? You're unable to keep track of all your lies. And quite frankly, I question how many other women may bring forward allegations in the future. This season of Betrayal investigates one officer's decades of deception. Lies that left those closest to him questioning everything they thought they knew. Listen to Betrayal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Over the past six years of making my true crime podcast, Hell and Gone, I've learned one thing. No town is too small for murder. I'm Katherine Townsend. I've received hundreds of messages from people across the country begging for help with unsolved murders. I was calling about the murder of my husband at the cold case. They've never found her. And it haunts me to this day. The murderer is still out there.

Every week on Hell and Gone Murder Line, I dig into a new case, bringing the skills I've learned as a journalist and private investigator to ask the questions no one else is asking. If you have a case you'd like me to look into...

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with a healthy dose of humor. Like the time we made a surprising discovery about scabies. When you look at pictures of especially these particular mites, they look more like tardigrades, like water bears than they do ticks. Absolutely do, yeah. They're kind of cute. Or when we used a classic movie reference to explain allergy tests. An allergist will inject TNT

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The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the MeatEater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck. This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser-known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams

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My husband and I are like, there's this whole thing about watching TV and the happiest couples do watch TV together, don't watch TV together. But like, to me, that just translates to like space. Like I, my, my husband and I are not in any sense of the word all over each other. And if I'm being completely honest, like when we watch TV, we don't fight over which show, because I'm upstairs watching TV and he's downstairs watching TV. Well,

Well, that's like watching a park together. And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that. It's again, like what we're saying, it doesn't necessarily mean because you're sitting next to each other and you're holding hands and being cuddly that you have a beautiful, wonderful relationship and you're so connected and there's so much intimacy. You know, that doesn't really, you know, mean that. So sometimes it is better that you get to watch your shows that make you happy and make you laugh. And he can watch whatever shows he likes. And then at the end of the day,

At night, you both go to your bed and you both go to your room and there you cuddle and then you're intimate and then you do whatever you have to, you know what I mean? But I don't think that that determines whether you have a good relationship or not. I agree. I say this to my daughter all the time. She has a boyfriend and she adores him. They adore each other. But I'm like, Rach, you can't, everything is not about, I won't say his name just in case, but like-

Z everything is not about Z, Z, Z. Where is he? What is he? What is he doing? Is he mad? Is he not? You gotta have your own thing, your own thing separate from him, separate from this relationship. Like I always encourage her. You have to have, you know, you've got to nurture other friendships. This is the time to get busy, not to just your whole self into a man, into a relationship, you know? And I listen, I,

I don't even a little, like I'm alone. I love my alone time. That's important too. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, but I feel like sometimes, you know, we say, you know, like I hear like a lot of women, you know, that they want to control the man. Like, oh, like on Sundays, I don't want him to watch football. You know what? If it's good for him, football is not so bad, by the way. When I hear my friends complaining about, oh, my husband wants to play golf. I'm like, playing golf is not so bad. It's actually a good thing, friend. And that doesn't mean that like he doesn't want to be with you. No, he wants to be with you, but he also likes to play golf and be with his friends. So that's cool too with me.

So, you know, I don't know. I think we just got to be smarter about it. And, and, and yeah, and keep on watching, you know, the women need to keep on watching the real housewives. Yes. Well, that's how you learn everything. Right. How are you going to live and live your life? And the men can watch the sports or whatever it may be. And please don't let your guys watch the housewives. You know, I don't like when the guys come up to me and say, Oh, by the way, I watched with my wife. I'm like, no, no,

You shouldn't be watching. That's fine. I think that's actually healthy and good for the relationship. Would you ever consider sleeping in separate beds? No, absolutely not. That's my favorite. A relationship is actually sleeping on the same bed.

I agree. People talking about that, but that wouldn't be for me either. I mean, and not because of sex, just because there's something about coming in the same. You want to wake up together, go to sleep together, give each other a good night kiss, you know, cuddle. I mean, whatever, whatever it may be, but no, definitely we have to sleep in the same bed. Yeah. I'm with you, Alexia. Big kudos to you, girl.

Like people don't understand you're going through it and you're showing up and looking like that actually. Thank you. No, I actually find a little annoying. It's more of an accusation. Like you ever just let yourself fall apart? No, you know what? I try to keep it together, you know, as much as it could. I mean, I think the most I fell apart was this season. And like I said, you know, there were like times that I couldn't even like show up to film because I was feeling that shitty inside. You know what I mean? And I just couldn't do it.

But, you know, besides that, you know, I love to work out and I keep myself busy. I feel like that's my biggest therapy is just, you know, moving. Just keep it moving. I have a lot of great friends and family and support. And, you know, I feel like when you're going through something like this, you really need your friends.

Well, having said that, I want to be your friend. So please, like, I always have. It's funny you go through Housewives. You're like, you see people on TV and you kind of like, I feel like her and I could really do this. For sure. We have a good bond. And like you might did me, you also. I love your energy. I love who you are. And we have so much to talk about. I love that you love to talk like me. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll do this again.

That was actually really interesting getting to talk about great divorce and about how some people choose to approach divorce and their living situation. So are you going through a great divorce and need some advice? Call us or email us. We're here to guide you. All of this information is in the show notes. Follow us on socials. Make sure to rate and review the podcast. I do part two and I heart radio podcast where falling in love is the main objective.

I think everything that might have dropped in 95 has been labeled the golden years of hip-hop. It's Black Music Month, and We Need to Talk is tapping in. I'm Nyla Simone, breaking down lyrics, amplifying voices, and digging into the culture that shaped the soundtrack of our lives. Like, that's what's really important, and that's what stands out, is that our music changes people's lives for the better. Let's talk about the music that moves us.

To hear this and more on how music and culture collide, listen to We Need to Talk from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What up, y'all? This your main man Memphis Bleak right here, host of Rock Solid Podcast. June is Black Music Month, so what better way to celebrate than listening to my exclusive conversation with my bro, Ja Rule.

The one thing that can't stop you or take away from you is knowledge. So whatever I went through while I was down in prison for two years, through that process, learn. Learn from it. Check out this exclusive episode with Ja Rule on Rock Solid. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search Rock Solid, and listen now. You say you'd never give in to a meltdown. Never let kids' toys take over the house. And never fill your feed with kid photos.

You'd never plan your life around their schedule. Never lick your thumb to clean their face. And you'd never let them leave the house looking like less than their best. You'd say you'd never put a pacifier in your mouth to clean it. Never let them stay up too late. And never let them run wild through the grocery store. So when you say you'd never let them get into a car without you there...

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Vaccines are in part a victim of their own success. They have been so effective in preventing disease and death that we take them for granted. New episodes drop every Tuesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to this podcast will kill you on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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If you're looking for inspiration, tools for growth and real conversations that challenge you to think differently, listen to On Purpose on the iHeartRadio app, Amazon Music or wherever you listen to podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.