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Welcome back to I Choose Me. We have been having the best conversation. Today, we're going to continue that. I have Barbara Eden on the pod, and she has so much wisdom to share with us. So here's part two of our conversation. It's absolutely incredible, but I Dream of Jeannie is having its 60th year anniversary. This is insane. Yes.

It is such an incredible honor to be on a beloved television show like that that stands the test of time. I can kind of relate with my 10-year run on Beverly Hills 90210 and people being so invested in that character that you played. I know you love that role and you love that show. But did you ever go through periods after the show when you sort of wanted to disconnect?

or disassociate from that character or that show, just kind of show, look, I'm not just that. I can do other things. Never. Never. No, because I was doing other things. I think even when I worked with you, I was doing something other. Yeah. No, oddly enough, because I understand people who

But I really didn't, wasn't thinking about Jeannie because I was doing film work. I was in Vegas. I was singing. It's only, it's been quite recently that I realized, you know, she's right there. There she is. You know? Yeah. And I think she's great. She's wonderful. She's not me, but she's, I love it. And it does make me,

make me feel really, really good that people appreciate what I did. That they're still looking at it. And God, I, it's, it's almost like magic. Okay. To, to get fan mail from Russia. And you know how they do that? They, because they can't mail letters to the United States. So they send it through Poland. And, and,

I mean, all over Europe. It's in France. It's in the UK. It's in Italy. It's in China. How do they do that? I mean, I, you know, we, you speak Chinese. Yeah, a little bit, but yeah, but how do they get that mail out? It just, it's a, I love it. Germany, lots of Germany, lots of South America. It isn't,

it amazing how things have changed, how we're so global. And, and that's, that makes me feel good. You know, I'm getting a little teary eyed because like I said, I said to you earlier, I've modeled myself after you and your professionalism and your spirit. And I can see, I can see the,

the gratitude. I can see that you lead with gratitude and that is why you are still here, why you are still so beautiful. And you radiate gratitude. And I think that's a huge key to life. Oh, I agree. Yes. Gratitude is important to recognize how lucky you are. Yeah, lucky, but

I get back to that we're all connected thing because I really, truly believe in it. You can find that spirit in almost everyone around you. And that's wonderful. That's a great thing to live with. I know I picked a good idol to look up to. I mean, you're just blowing my mind. You brought the character of Jeannie to life.

You took her off that paper and you made her come to life. And she had that infamous costume, which also turned you into a sex symbol. I'm telling you, you were a sex symbol. I want to know what that was like. Did you ever feel objectified back then? No. Oh my gosh. You are amazing. No, I didn't. Well, come on. It's a classic theme.

The genie. In the bottle. Yeah, and the magic. And fun to do. I just adored doing her. No, I never did feel that. Although a lot of people made fun of my belly button, or lack of. Everybody wondered, does she have a belly button? Yeah. Well, the guy, Mike Conley, at the Hollywood Reporter, who wrote an article

And he came down on the set to talk to both to Larry and to me. And then he looked at me and he said, where's your belly button? And I said, it's there. He said,

I don't see it. I said, nickel a peak. I went cheaply. Yeah, you could have charged more for that. Now I could do it. So he kept coming down on the set. And every time I'd walk by, he'd go boop, like that in my tummy. Oh, my gosh. But he wrote about it. And then the stringers across the country picked it up. And I thought to myself, you know, there are actresses that are known for

for much better body parts than the belly button, you know? Oh my God. But I'll take it. Why not? Why not? Did you ever struggle with body image, being with your body or how you felt in your body, being that you were, you know, you were in such beautiful, cute little outfits all the time and looking a certain way was really important. Did you ever feel...

those challenges when it came to your body image? I don't know how to answer that because I wasn't, you know, I still, still we wonder about what we wear and how it fits and yeah, that. But honestly, when most actors start working or acting or wearing the lights, you know, you forget about those things.

You just be the person you're being and be comfortable in them. I don't know. No, I haven't. Ever since my first interview, you know, where he showed me his daughter. That broke you in. Yeah. No, that made me think. Made me think and centered me. I was thinking...

I've had a lot of insecurities, I think, growing up in the 90s, being on TV. It was a really competitive era to be a female on television. And things seem to have been so different for you in the 60s and the 70s. It doesn't sound like you were ever crippled by your insecurities or they didn't hold you back.

And that's so admirable. Well, thank you. I don't know. When you're talking, I'm thinking, hmm, was I insecure? Did I do... There were times perhaps when I thought I wasn't quite up to the part I was playing. But I've never... I don't know. I don't think about being insecure. I just don't think about it. Now? No, then. Then. Then. It wasn't...

It wasn't on my agenda. What was there to be insecure about? I mean, you wanted to work, so you did your job. If you're talking about insecure clothing or such, no, you wear what they tell you to wear. And you have no power over that. And it's much better if you don't make a fuss, you know?

As you are talking to me, I'm thinking about different shows I've done. And one of them was with a very famous actress. And everyone said, well, she's difficult. She was the most wonderful thing to me. She actually came down and made my dress look better to be on the set. So most people are...

are pretty good. They're good souls. No, I guess they wasn't. You said it was easier to not make a fuss about things like your wardrobe or... It's not important. It's not important. Well, it's important that it fits you and it fits the character. But you don't...

That's why you're there, to act. And let the costume designer dress you. Yeah, do their job and that's okay. You're very easygoing. You have to kind of just be like Teflon and move through life like that. I guess so. I don't know. I mean, I don't mean that you don't have some input for it. For instance, I will tell you a job on Genie. The first year of Genie, I was pregnant.

What? Yes. Michael and I had tried to have a baby for so long. Finally, I was pregnant. And I found out the same day that they told me that Jeannie was going to go on the air. So I called Sidney Sheldon, the writer-producer on the show, and said, I have to talk to you. I really have to talk to you in person. And he was having dinner at...

Buck Henry's house, who was a very well-known writer at that time. And he said, well, come on down. We'll be at dinner. So I drove. I lived up in the hills, came down to his house and I was so happy. I was happy about the show too, but more happy that I was pregnant. So I sat down there with a big grin on my face and said,

You know, I'm pregnant and I can't do your show. I couldn't keep the smile off my face. He said, what? I said, I just had to let you know so you could recast it.

You know, he said, just stop. He said, I'll talk to you in a couple of days. We'll see if we can work this out. Okay, work this out. Because he had to write a lot of scripts. He wrote most of the scripts. And so Gene Nelson, who at that time was a well-known actor, director,

I remember one time on the set, I came into work and there was a bikini on my... Now, I know now girls flaunt their tummies, but at the time, I wasn't flaunting. Right. And I looked at it and I said, I can't wear that. And so the...

the costumer went over and told Jean, no, she can't wear the bathing suit. And Jean, who happened to have been a very good friend of mine at the time, walked up to my dressing room and said, Barbara, Barbara, you're never a diva. He said, why won't you put on the bathing suit? I said, Jean, I am pregnant. He said, well, that's right. Okay, I'll put it on, but not for the crew.

You have to come in here and see it. So I put it on and Gene came to the door and he went, oh, oh, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. I mean, so. You had to give him a visual. Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah. And so what I did was they put me on a tire on my tummy so that I didn't want to near the bathing. It was a pool. I

The set was a pool. Uh-huh. And I was supposed to be on it. You had a floatie? No, it was the side of the pool. Okay. The side of the pool. But they just put a real tire. I mean, not a floatie tire. Why a real tire? I'm confused. Well, they covered it up with towels. Why? Because there's a hole in the middle and my tummy fit in. Okay.

That is so funny. And it's so crazy, the parallels that I keep finding for us, because I too had got a show that I was really excited about. It was a comedy show.

And it had been after my 90210 run doing so much drama. Yeah. And I really wanted to transition into comedy. And I got a job on a show. It was called What I Like About You. It was nowhere near I Dream of Jeannie. We only lasted for four years. But I remember I did the pilot and then I got pregnant. And then I had to say, hey, guys.

I'm pregnant. This is going to be a problem because the character is definitely not pregnant, nor should she be. And

And we had to go to great lengths to hide that baby bump. Oh, yeah. I had lots of material in front of me. Right? Were you always holding something? I was always holding like a laundry basket. No, I didn't have to do that. I remember one scene I had to walk behind a clothing rack full of clothes. Just my head was above it when I was rolling through the scene. Yeah.

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have been battling for a long time. Oh. So you see where I'm going with this. I'm really curious. Back then, seeing as your name was in the title, were you being paid the same as your co-star Larry Hagman at that time? Oh, I was probably being paid more. Ah, yes, Barbara. No, mainly because he wasn't known.

at all. I'm so happy to hear this. And I'll tell you a cute story now that we're on the money thing. Larry was extremely intelligent and savvy. Mary Martin was his mother. He knew showbiz. He knew what was going on. And he said, I'm keeping track of my overtime. I said, you are?

Yeah. He said, you really should, Barbara. You should keep track of your overtime. I said, okay. And we worked really hard. You got some overtime. Well, I'd be up at 6 a.m. to get all the body, the...

done. And then, and then we worked till seven or eight at night. So I said, okay. So I wrote it all down beautifully. And Larry would come in and say, look at the check I got, you know, over time, I didn't get a check. You know, I guess I didn't get a check. So I told my agent and he couldn't get anything out of Columbia studios at the time. And, um,

So I had a friend who was an attorney, a dear friend, and his wife and his child and everything were my friend. And I said, you know, Joe, I don't know what to do about this. I've kept track, and I don't think I'm getting my overtime. And he had a friend in the office, the attorneys, Columbia,

And he said, you know, she's very upset. I wasn't very upset. I was just curious. What the heck? And so they wanted me to prove it. So I gave Joe my little book, you know, where I'm putting it down. And Joe came back laughing to me. He said, okay, no problem. But they don't understand how you knew all that. Your numbers are exactly what they have.

And I thought to myself, they admit that they were not making a mistake. They were doing something really wrong, you know? They were keeping a tally, just like you did. Yeah. Yet they didn't pay you. No. No. So I got a big check because it was several years ago.

I just kept thinking. Oh, this is so good. Yes. After what is it? After how many hours? Oh, God. I don't know. I don't remember anymore. I don't remember. But I love it that Larry Hagman suggested that you do that. Oh, yeah. Keep track of it.

And then he kept showing the checks. He was getting at me. I'm not getting a check. Oh, gosh. One of the many reasons why I admire you, after I Dream of Jeannie, you didn't just rest on that legacy. You kept creating. You kept working. You kept reinventing yourself.

Tell me about reinvention. I think we're all kind of doing it every day. We're always a work in progress. We can reinvent ourselves every day if we want to. Did you- In what way? I just mean like, say you had a bad day yesterday. You weren't your best self. Go to sleep. Wake up the next morning and start again. Try again. It's a new day. And you can be what you, if you can picture the woman, the person that you want to be

how you want to be known. And maybe you haven't always been that person. You've, you're human. You make mistakes, things happen, but the next day is another chance to try again, to be the person that you want to be. Well, I, and even for acting, you know, I think acting helps you reinvent, but as far as your, the reality, when you're not on stage, well,

I don't think I'd want to reinvent. I want to be myself. I want to be what I am. It's, uh, that would be superficial. I would think, you know, I, I love my friends. I love my family. Uh, and if there's some person that doesn't love us, okay, go away, you know? But, uh,

No, I don't know why you'd want to reinvent yourself. I guess I'm thinking more of like, for example, Madonna. From her first album to where she is today, she's gone through so many different versions of her look and her kind of what she led with. I guess that's kind of what I'm referring to. It's kind of fun. It is kind of fun. I mean, I think good for her. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

I don't know. But you see, I'm not on the... You're not a singer. I mean, like, you're not a pop star. Yeah, right. Authenticity is very important to you and to your craft. But not me. It's the character I'm playing, you see. So I don't...

No. No. I like what I am. Yeah. Oh, all the warts. I don't care. All the parts, the good, the bad, the ugly. Yeah. I think that's the key. Yeah. Loving yourself just as you are.

Yeah, and loving people around you. Loving people around you. Recognizing that. Yes, how lucky you are. Well, how much alike you are. The connection. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to ask you about love and grief. Your life has been marked by profound experiences of love. You've been married three times. You had a beautiful son. Love is complicated.

You had that heartbreaking loss of losing your son, Matthew. Yeah. How did you choose to embrace life and your career while you were navigating those deep personal challenges in your real life? Well, my work helped me. It did help me. I guess everyone treats grief differently. Some people allow it to polarize them, but I think you have to push through it. You'll never lose the grief.

It'll always be there, especially when it's your child. I know I went out after he transitioned or passed. I went on tour with The Odd Couple and did a long tour. And during that time, we went to the film. I'm trying to think of the film's name, but oh, God, I can't think of it. Very popular film.

Wonderful movie, but little boys, a lot of little boys there. And I was sitting there with tears just coming down my cheeks. But things like that, you just work through it.

You work through it, but you never forget. And you always have those feelings. Even now, it's years ago. But I'll see a little boy and I just want to pick him up and hug him. My best friend Adele told me that grief, she's a therapist. She said that grief is like a rock, a stone in your pocket.

Yeah. And it's always going to be there. Yeah. You're always going to carry it around with you. Yeah. But you don't have to focus on it. Interesting. Yes. It's so hard to do though. I think when you said your work helped you through it, I think...

My personal inclination wouldn't be to not work and to sort of hold myself up in my despair and, you know, be just, I can't even imagine. That's unimaginable what happened to you. And I'm so, so sorry. But I don't, you are such a strong lady. Sometimes. Sometimes. Yes. Sometimes I am. Sometimes I'm not. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. But I mean, just to know that you worked your way through it, you know, that's all you can do. You can't change it. You just have to learn to live with it. And that's so hard. To have your life, you know, that's all. Yeah. For the listeners out there that are carrying grief or they're grieving, they're navigating the complicated relationship, perhaps, what would you say is

about choosing love for yourself and healing after loss? I don't know how to answer that. I think everyone has to choose their own path. Everyone has a way of dealing with their family, dealing with your emotions, dealing with, you know, you have to find your own path and follow it. That's all. There's no law. There's no rule.

Yeah. You know, it's gut-wrenching and horrible and you just have to live with it. We're not here to be non-productive. We're here to keep going. Carry on. Yeah. You can't go to bed and pull the covers up over your head. It's still there. It's still that rock in your pocket, you know, but you have to work with the rock in the pocket.

You have to learn to live with it. Yeah. Yeah. So difficult. Hi, it's Jenny Garth. Feeling confident in my skin is non-negotiable. And that's why I choose Perricone MD. Their triple retinol renewal face and eye serums are my go-to. I use them every day, every night. I've seen such a difference in my skin. You might be thinking, can I use retinol in the summer? But I'm here to tell you that yes.

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Call the Hell and Gone Murder Line at 678-744-6145. Listen to Hell and Gone Murder Line on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You and I have both been married a few times. When you think about love now, I'm going to rush right through that. Three for you, three for me, another parallel. When you think about love now, how would you define it in a relationship sense?

How would I define love in a relationship? How do you succeed in a relationship? Well, sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. Yeah. It's not easy. Yeah. I think, again, there's no rule. You take your own path and you're two individuals. I don't know. You love your dog, don't you? I sure do. And I adore my dog. Mm-hmm.

And I adore my husband. Wait, you said the dog first. Well, my husband would probably say the dog first too. Because we love our dog. We just love it. That love wells up, you know? Well, it does the same for my husband and I hope for me. And we respect each other. We're not

100% alike. He has nothing to do with my business. He loves it, but he's not an actor. But I know, I like what he is. I love what he is. That's all I can say. I don't know what to say to anyone. You just have to

Love them and accept them. Right. Yeah. I think, yeah, that's great advice. You have to look at your partner as an individual and not as an extension of yourself. Yeah. You know, I think that whole jargon about when you marry, you become one. I feel like in a sense, perhaps, but you still are your own person. Yeah. I've never heard that. It's in the vows. Like, you know, it's like.

They come together as one. I see. You know? I remember that. You'd think you would after three times. Well, I think you certainly do in many senses. Yes, of course. Because you work together. Yeah. You're partners. Partners. You're in business together, you know? Yeah.

Sure. Yeah. But you respect what they are and they respect you. If they don't respect you, which I'm sure you had happen, I did too. Then you say, sorry, you know, I'm not going to do it. Yeah. It's really hard when I think as women who are successful and strong-willed, it's hard to be with a man that doesn't respect you or that feels as if

you should take a backseat to him in some way. And it's also hard. I know you've probably experienced this being the breadwinner in certain situations, certain times of your life. Men customarily have a problem with that. Many do. Many do. Many don't. Yeah. You got to find the ones that don't. Yeah. But no, I don't know. That's, I think, I think that's when you're one, you know? Okay. This is a very deep question.

But I'm so curious your take on this. What, after you've lived this beautiful life, what do you think happens after that? After what? When it all ends. What do you think happens when our lives end and where do we go? What happens to us? I'm so curious about other people's perspectives on death and dying and

I just. Well, I'm just not going to do it. Okay, good. I am here for that. Absolutely not. No. I'm so with you. This doesn't sound fun. No. What do you think, though, happens? Who knows? You don't know. I'm ready for the ride. I mean, it'll be exciting because we don't know. Yeah, that's right. Or it'll be really boring.

No, I don't think it'll be boring. Okay, good. I don't think so. Okay, I have one last question for you. This is how I close every episode. Barbara Eden, what was your last I choose me moment? It's probably every day. That's good. That's a good thing. I choose to get up in the morning. I choose to have a good breakfast. Mm-hmm.

I choose to love my dog. Why don't we really choose it? I do love. I love my husband. Let me see. I choose my friends. Yeah. Just not me. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Is that good enough? That's great. I love that you say, I choose myself every day because I think that's important that we acknowledge that we're worth choosing. You know, like a lot of people have a real hard time

choosing themselves. And I don't want that to be the case for us. No. No.

It's vital to... But you choose your husband too. You choose your children. Yes. It's not just me. No, no. But that in a sense is choosing yourself too because you are choosing to love abundantly. True. And freely. And that is ultimately the best choice you can make for yourself. Yeah. What is your key to longevity?

I haven't a clue. I don't know. I just like being here, I guess. And I like my work. I still work. So I have a reason to be here. What's your key to longevity? I mean, continuing to do things that excite me, that push me, challenge me. Yes, I agree. I think that's important. Yeah. Yeah.

This has been the best conversation ever on I Choose Me. I'm sorry for everybody that has come before you, but this is now officially my favorite episode. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. Me too. I've enjoyed it. I've loved every second of it. Thank you so much. Well, thank you for having me. It's so good to see you again. You too. Hi, it's Jenny Garth. Feeling unwell.

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