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All right. Did we find anyone that was attractive? No. Did we have fun? Yes. Yay! But let's bring it back. I mean, I don't mean to say no so bluntly. I think it was just a unique environment, right? Like we're there to enjoy this concert and Benson Boone and Justin Timberlake. And so-

When your focus is on something else and you don't truly have the experience of being at Bottle Rocks, it was a little bit kind of, you know, like trying to, you know, like do one thing, but still experience another thing. I mean, it was so great. I mean, like the music was unbelievable. The food was phenomenal. I think we tried absolutely everything there. So good.

And then the wine. People were sitting there with their crafts of the most beautiful wine. And just the vibe was so... It was just great. It was sophisticated. Everyone looked great. It was just so elegant. The fashion. I mean, I wasn't looking at men because I was looking at all of these women just in the most amazing outfits and so creative and stylish. So I really loved that. I know. It was really fun. I tried to situate us...

Right near like the food court area where like there was people had to go to the bar and get the food. So I was like, there was a lot of traffic for people. You get A for effort. She tried you guys. It was really fun. We had a lot of fun. We had a lot of fun. So do you think there was any flirting or? No. Okay. Did you, did you have to use, do we have to use any code words?

No. No, we did not have to use. Yes, we did not have to use any code words. It was funny because there was one guy that I was like, oh, he's really good looking. You're like, no. So I was like, okay, that's fine. So I remember the one that was the Spanish guy. He was very good looking. I don't remember that one. The guy, when you were getting the sushi and he was like, oh, don't leave now. And I was like, that's my Spanish accent. And he was like, he was like.

Don't leave. I was like, don't. Oh, okay. And we were like, you're looking at each other and we're like, we're not leaving. We're in the line to get sushi. Yeah. He was. Yeah. I mean, I think there were a bunch of just like attractive people in general. I think that that was what I, there was a lot of couples. There were a lot of couples. A lot of couples. Okay. There was the two guys that may or may not have been marketing their t-shirt line, which I was not aware of.

I thought I was really going in because I was like, remember when one of the things was like, okay, we have to get them to buy our drinks. And so I was like, these are the guys who are going to buy the drinks. Even though I wasn't drinking alcohol. I wasn't drinking either. Neither of us were drinking alcohol. But your drink, your lemonade kind of looked like it was like some kind of like Cosmo vibe. I was drinking a liquid death. But I was like, oh my God, they're good.

Definitely ask us. Crickets. No. It was crickets. They were like just trying to promote their t-shirts and I didn't understand. I was like, because I really wasn't paying attention to the t-shirts, not to lie. I was like more interested in like the drink. Yeah, I would say they were like the last people that would be buying us a drink. Yeah.

They came to Bonnarock to wear the t-shirts that they're making to promote themselves. Like they, that's their promotion. That's their marketing budget. I actually thought- So they don't have money to buy us a drink. I actually thought the one woman that was wearing the rose gold Ray-Bans and then her friend that had those really cool pants on, they would have been like, what kind of wine do you want? Let's hang out. Let's, you know, just chill out and listen to music. We had a better chance of women buying us a drink.

drink than those two men for sure. Did we get a phone number? No, we failed. We failed miserably. We did not fail. We had Fs for everything. We were just like, we weren't good enough. We just didn't fail. Fail is like definitive.

You know, just wasn't good enough means there's possibility for growth. Well, you know, I, this like reminds me so much of just going out with my friends in my twenties and we would, you know, go out dancing and, and,

We would come home and have the most amazing stories about that night, but it was all about us enjoying each other. Like we wouldn't remember one other person that was actually at the club. Right. It was about us having fun. And so that's like the same thing that always happens to me is I don't like purposely look, you know what I mean? And so it was like, we were trying a little bit to like do it because it was fun. And that's what we said, you know, we were going to do, which was sweet, but it's,

I think in real life at places like that, it just doesn't work like that. Like when you're forcing something or when you're like looking too hard, it's

What I think was good is that like, because we kind of had this like fun plan. Yes. That it like set us up for success with our own vibe and for just to like have fun. And people were coming towards us. Yeah. And talking to us. Yeah. Because we were having so much fun. Sure. I mean, the two guys with the weird t-shirts. I remember when I said I wanted to have you dance. Yeah.

I did pull out some of my dance moves. I don't know if you saw that. I tried to like, I tried to like wave at you to see if you were, but you, I think you were turned around anyway. Probably. You're back to me. We danced. I mean, I danced the whole night. We did. We danced at Dustin's Everlight. I just didn't dance with a man, but I danced the whole night. Yeah. I took you into the pit or like walking through. Mm-hmm.

Don't you think I'm really good at navigating all those people? You're really good. I think you're just like this just tall, just wonder, like walking through this crowd and they just like split open for you to walk through. And I'm just this short little, I just follow. I'm like right behind. And it was the most clear path ever.

I'm like, let's go this way. Let's go that way. I mean, it was warm in there too. It was very, it was really- Yeah, we needed body heat. We needed body heat. We needed big sweatshirts. But you know what? We had so much fun. I literally loved it. So we talked before that we're not really attracted to the same kind of guys. And you were like, I like suits. And I'm like, this is not a place for any of those suits. I think one guy had tennis shorts on. They were bougie tennis shorts. Yeah.

But I did not see one suit. So I was like, oh, this isn't going to work. No, that was definitely not the... And are suits like, you know, where do people even wear them anymore, right? I mean, I love a guy in a suit too. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess in New York City. I may or may not have enlisted Tamara with some advice as to what I should do to create more buzz around getting guys. She was like, what are you talking about?

about getting guys for you just in general like I'm just trying to get guys I mean that was I had a mission I was on a mission and I wanted to like bring people and just see what was going on she was making me laugh so hard she was like telling no that's not how it works she's like I'm like no no I was dancing she's like no no don't dance what does she want you to do she didn't she didn't say anything she didn't give me advice she was just like don't dance I was like should I dance she's like no no no don't dance no no no that's not cool Kelly that's not cool

You know, she's in this gorgeous, had this gorgeous dress and like her beautiful husband, the two of them were like this picturesque couple. And I'm like, what do you think we should do? She was like, not what you're doing. I was laughing. Well, that's what I mean. It's, you know, when you try too hard sometimes, like to get and just be yourself and. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think naturally organic. And we were in the car with the girls from bachelor nation. Like we were just, cause I was really like, I just loved this morning when you were talking about like how happy you are in your life. And like, I really, and I say this all the time, but the kinetic energy and just like when you say things like how happy you are just makes people feel good. So like when you're like, so what tonight, what made you feel happy?

Music makes me feel so happy, especially, you know, music that takes you back to like certain times. So Justin Timberlake does that for, I think so many people, especially, you know, in our like era. Yeah. So it was nostalgic. And I think that's, I blast music all day long. It's my therapy. It's like anywhere from, you know, Whitney Houston to Teddy swims like all day long.

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So which one was your favorite? Did you like Justin or did you like Benson better? Justin Timberlake or Benson Boone? I saw Benson Boone already, like his full concert. I took the girls. Oh my God. So that was so fun. We went to Nashville and I never saw Justin Timberlake perform until tonight. So I was, yeah, I was excited to see, to see him probably more. Um,

I mean, he's just like iconic, you know? I saw him at Barclays and it was... First of all, Barclays is just a beautiful, beautiful arena. But he was...

I mean, he's just an amazing dancer, singer. Like I love, you know, the Tennessee kids. I love the whole thing. I just like the vibe is really good. Yeah. His presence. And I really, one thing I really, really like about him or even tonight was when the woman gave, showed him the jacket that she had embroidered and he was like, I'm going to sign this. And he was just really, he's very like engaging with his fans, which I think is so cool.

I mean, 25, 30 years he's been doing this? I mean, you could tell he just really still wanted to be there. He loves it. Yeah. He loves it. Just to have a tour, right? Yeah, 25 years later to have such a big tour. Yeah. I mean, Benson Boone is over the top. He's a smoke show. You're going to hear it right now. I'm going to tell you he's going to be the next Calvin Klein. He is. His vibe is very Calvin Klein. Mm-hmm.

That's what he's going to do. I'm forecasting that. Did you hear that, Benson? I'm here for it. He is just a doll baby. I just adore him. And his new song about the mother. I was like, oh my God. I was like, okay, late on the timing, but great song. I'm like, Mother's Day passed, so we were like, that would have been a really good song for me to listen to. But I mean, I was just like, oh my gosh, I think I'm tearing up. Yeah. I mean, his flips. I could just watch him do those flips all day long. Yeah.

Like who can do that? You just, he just stands and then flips. But Benson, do not think that Pamela thinks you're her type because you're not. She likes guys in suits. I could be his mother. Easily. I could be your mother. Oh my God. So just to kind of wrap things up, what are your feelings on love? And like, what do you want to tell the listeners about going through it?

Wow, that is just a very layered question, Kelly. Kelly, Kelly. I'm like, ah, I'm in trouble. What are my thoughts on love and divorce? Or what are my thoughts on...

Just like after today, like we've been talking about relationships with a lot of different people of all different ages. And we saw a lot of people tonight that were like really in love, all these, you know, different couples. And I just wanted, I just wanted to like, you know, what's your like takeaway from today? And like, how do you, how do you feel about love? I think what really hit me was I was talking to all of those young bachelor and bachelorette girls and,

And they were the sweetest. And they came up to me and they were just like, we love you. We want to be like you when we're older. And how you take care of yourself and how happy you are and your personality and how you were explaining things to us about health and wellness and what we should do to...

to like not have to worry so much, you know, when, when they get to my age and it just made me, no matter like what has happened, like in, you know, the past with like getting divorced and all of this, if you don't love who you are, like you're never going to be successful, you know, finding another love or having, you know, exactly kind of like what you want. And so I

At the end of the day, like that's just what I focus on. I love that. Is treating myself, loving myself, like really, truly. And I know people say that and it's always overused in this whole self-love. And are people really doing it? You know, and like what does that mean to people? And it can mean a number of different things.

But just hearing like almost like somebody, other people saying that that's kind of like what I project and that I'm showing that and that I'm showing that to my girls and I'm showing that to my clients and like all these people that I care about. That's what I have control over. I don't have control over anything.

the next stages and will there be, you know, this new amazing love? Like I have hope and I truly believe that it will, but I think the first step is, you know, loving yourself and really just like focusing on that and not stopping what you want to do in life just because you don't have a partner. Right. I mean, that's, I think that the biggest takeaway too, it's like love being by yourself, travel by yourself, right?

Do all of these things by yourself because once you realize how amazing you are, I always want to be by myself. Like, I choose me. Right. I love that. But it's also like, you know, it's like you don't always get what you want, but you get what you need. And that's so true because...

You know, if you are taking care of yourself and you do have respect for yourself, those people are going to, that person that you really want to be attracted to or, you know, be attracted to you, he's going to be there because he's going to be your mirror image. Yeah. And I totally believe that 100%. And no, it just was like refreshing to hear that.

You know, another contemporary talk about just being genuinely happy. I mean, there's, there's, I, I, I'm around so many people who are just like,

blaming and shaming other people all day long. And it's just so nice to be around someone who is just like, I'm excited about my future. I love my kids. And I'm just excited to hear about your journey, your love journey. I know it's going to be great. Oh my gosh. Well, same. And I just learned so much from you too. I mean, just about health and wellness. And I heard you on the phone with your daughters and they're so cute and so excited and they have such amazing energy and

You know, it's just such a special time with them. And, you know, there's just so much to look forward to. There is. There really is. And it's just interesting because it was like serendipitous to be at a place like Bottle Rock and to see all these people that were just like really enjoying themselves, like naturally and inherently enjoying themselves. Yes.

It just made it, it was just like, it was like a very warm, it was like a hug there. It really was. I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. I love Napa. Well, just like the energy with, you know, a man or a girlfriend, that was that energy that I felt when I walked in there. It was like that homey, comfy, cozy feeling that, yeah.

Any of that would resonate with me, whether it's a friend or a lover or whatever it is. And that's kind of like, you just felt really homey in there. Yeah. I just regret not getting the Lululemon sweatshirt, but that's a side note. They weren't sold out? Everything was sold out. I was like, I think I'm going to get a sweatshirt. No. I was like, I'll take the XXL. They're like, no. It was just so cold. We don't have anything. Nobody was prepared. I know. We were walking in and I'm like...

These girls, the bachelor girls, they didn't have coats and they had on spaghetti strap dresses. I'm like, they're going to be really cold. So they all had to buy the sweatshirts. Yeah, it was so fun. It was so fun. Well, thank you so much. We need to hear more from Pamela. We need to know what's going on. I'm not going to tell you guys again, like some of your tricks of the trade, but...

But you have to listen to the podcast with Jana and hear some of the banter back and forth because it's amazing. I was listening to it last night and I was like, oh my God, these guys are unbelievable. I love them. I love Jana. We should all do something together at The Ring of Oz. I would love that. Yes. Same. I would love to hear what's happening in Tennessee. So, yay.

Thank you so, so much for joining us. Bala Rock and Inapa, we had so much fun being with you. Thank you for having me. You're so sweet. Yay. Having a wing woman has been so much fun. Are you ready to date again? Not having the best luck? Tired of being single? We can help.

Email us or call us. All the info is in the show sheets. Follow us on socials and make sure to rate and review the podcast, I Do Part Two, an iHeartRadio podcast where falling in love is the main objective. ♪

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