We hear from two women who are both celebrating firsts and both aiming to make a difference.

Louisa Wickham is a consultant ophthalmologist and medical director at Moorfields Eye Hospital but in September, she added to her titles by being appointed as England's very first National Clinical Director for Eye Care. We invited her onto the program to explain what her ambitions are for her new role and how she plans to tackle the current problems facing eye care services; patient backlogs, long waiting times and preventable permanent vision loss.

Jessikah Inaba is believed to be the UK's first blind and black female barrister. She studied for her law degrees in braille at London's University of Law and, in the last few weeks, has been inducted to the bar. She tells us about this momentous moment, about the barriers she faced getting there and about her goals for her future career in law.

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England's First National Clinical Director for Eye Care; The UK's First Blind and Black Female Barrister