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Are you morally ambitious? With Rutger Bregman (Part One)

2025/5/6
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Conor Boyle:许多高成就者满足于为自己和家人赚很多钱,而忽视了将职业生涯奉献于解决当今时代最大挑战,为世界做出更大贡献。我们应该关注工作是否为社会创造价值,而不是仅仅追求金钱,拥有意义感的生活同样重要。许多有抱负的人被吸纳到咨询或银行等职业中,最终可能会感到不满,而应该致力于产生更大的影响。 Rutger Bregman:我想要写一本能够改变人们生活,甚至让他们后悔读过这本书的书,而不是仅仅带来积极情绪。许多有才华的人从事对世界没有太大贡献的工作,这是对时间和才能的巨大浪费,我们应该将才能用于解决重要的全球问题。仅仅提高人们对社会问题的认识是不够的,我们应该采取实际行动,解决问题。历史上的变革者往往兼具理想主义和雄心壮志,他们既有虚荣心,也有真诚的理想。托马斯·克拉克森是废奴运动的关键人物,他全身心投入,持续奋斗60年,最终促成了英国废除奴隶贸易。二战时期抵抗运动的成功并非取决于个人的心理素质,而是取决于社会因素,特别是“被要求”的因素。在当今社会,我们需要更多的人展现道德勇气和道德抱负,将生活导向产生真正影响的方向,而这需要从“请求他人参与”开始。应对气候变化等问题需要多种方法,例如直接行动、倡导、企业内部变革等,而不是非此即彼。不同的行动方式在不同阶段发挥不同的作用,例如渐进式改革和激进式变革,需要根据具体情况选择合适的方法。过多的空谈系统性变革会成为逃避个人行动的借口,我们需要实际行动来改变世界。那些受压迫的人们不关心你的道德纯洁性,他们需要你取得实际的胜利,为他们带来改变。道德抱负与道德主义不同,它不是用来指责他人,而是激励自己采取行动。我创立了“道德抱负学校”,帮助有才华的人放弃现有工作,专注于解决当今世界最紧迫的问题。

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Moral ambition is the will to make the world a wildly better place. To devote your career to the greatest challenges of our time. To be one of the best, but measured by a new standard of success.’ – Rutger Bregman

The brightest minds of our generation may dream of changing the world. But in reality most high achievers will settle for making a lot of money for themselves and their family. World renowned historian and bestselling author Rutger Bregman is on a mission to change that.

In April, Bregman came to Intelligence Squared in venues across the UK to convince us that in our age of crisis, we need to stop wasting our talent in jobs that solely provide personal enrichment. Instead if we want to live a successful life we must devote our careers to making the world a radically better place.

Bregman discussed why in 2025 social progress is not only stagnating in places but actively going in reverse. He argued that there are lessons from history that can help us overcome this trend and explain that the greatest change-makers have always needed to be both idealistic and ambitious. Drawing from his new book Moral Ambition: Stop Wasting Your Talent and Start Making a Difference, he discussed why efforts to ‘raise awareness’ of social problems are overrated and uncover what he believes are the real qualities that have made change possible. He told the stories of some of history’s great changemakers such as the German soldier who refused to salute Hitler or the Cambridge University student who dedicated his life to abolishing slavery.

Bregman explained what made these changemakers so persuasive, influential and effective in achieving their goals. He showed how we, too, can lend our talents to the biggest challenges of our time. With moral ambition he argued, we can do more than be on the right side of history: we can start to make history itself.

In addition to the book Rutger Bregman will be launching The School of Moral Ambition. To find out more click here


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