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Chokepoints: Economic Warfare in the Modern World, with Edward Fishman

2025/2/23
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Edward Fishman: 我进入经济策略研究领域是因为在911事件后，我意识到军事力量在解决国际问题上的效力下降，而经济手段可能是一种更有效的替代方案。在对伊朗的制裁中，我们通过对违反制裁的银行进行巨额罚款，以及对伊朗核计划的曝光，成功地迫使全球银行遵守美国的制裁。对俄罗斯的制裁与对伊朗的制裁不同，前者侧重于限制俄罗斯经济的长期增长，而非制造立即的经济危机；这与俄罗斯经济与全球经济的深度融合有关。对中国的制裁与对俄罗斯和伊朗的制裁有所不同，其侧重于通过出口管制来限制中国的技术发展，而非主要依靠金融制裁。对伊朗的未来制裁措施，其有效性取决于美国是否将其作为对华政策的首要任务，以及是否制定明确的政策目标。对俄罗斯的未来制裁措施，需要权衡其对全球能源市场的影响，以及对美国国内政治的影响。 Chris Miller: (此处应补充Chris Miller的观点，由于原文中没有提供Chris Miller的完整观点，无法在此处补充。请提供更多信息以便补充完整。)

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Edward Fishman's journey into sanctions began during his college years after 9/11, driven by the perceived ineffectiveness of military force and the need for alternative solutions to international crises. His career involved roles in the US State Department, the Pentagon, and the Treasury Department, focusing on sanctions against Iran and Russia. He highlights the evolution of sanctions from a cost of doing business to a seriously enforced tool due to the introduction of secondary sanctions and increased collaboration with the Department of Justice.
  • Fishman's background in history and international relations influenced his interest in sanctions.
  • He worked in the US government, developing sanctions on Iran and Russia.
  • Secondary sanctions and collaboration with the Department of Justice made sanctions violations a serious matter for banks.

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In this episode, we’re joined by Edward Fishman, one of the foremost experts on economic statecraft and sanctions. With a career spanning roles at the U.S. State Department, the Pentagon, and the Treasury Department, Fishman has been at the forefront of America’s strategic response to global challenges. 

He now works as a professor at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs and as a senior research scholar at the Center on Global Energy Policy. His writing on global policy and economic strategy has been featured in outlets including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and Foreign Affairs.

Today, we’ll be discussing his new book, Chokepoints: American Power in the Age of Economic Warfare. We’ll explore how economic tools like sanctions, trade restrictions, and financial levers have become the U.S.’s primary means of addressing international crises and countering rivals in an increasingly interconnected world.

Joining Fishman to discuss the book is Chris Miller, author of *Chip War *and Professor of International History at the Fletcher School at Tufts University.

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