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Hey guys, welcome to investigators podcast. I'm your host Chad. Uh, just a quick note. We are re uploading this episode where we interview a shooting survivor of the Las Vegas shootings and he gives us detailed description throughout the night of everything he saw and also some conspiracy side of what he believes happened that night.

The reason why we are re-uploading this episode is because we have a groundbreaking episode coming out this Sunday, March 16th, where we're talking about John Pelletier. Now, John Pelletier, for those who do not know, he was the captain during the Las Vegas shooting. Many people believe that he may have covered up a lot of stuff that should have come out about that shooting. And then he moved over to Maui, where he became the police chief during the Maui fires.

So what I will encourage you guys to do is I would encourage you. We have an entire series. There's a four part series. This is the last of the series where we interviewed Josh, but we also have three parts before this. I encourage you guys before Sunday to go back and listen through the Las Vegas shooting series that we did. And then I also encourage you guys to go back and look up the Maui fires episode that we also did, where we talked about direct energy weapons and just the conspiracy around all of that stuff.

And so we will see and talk to you guys Sunday. I can't wait for this episode. I think it's insane. I think that oftentimes we talk about coincidences. There's no such thing as a coincidence. And I think in this case, it connects so many dots, especially when it comes to the World Economic Forum, the NGOs, George Soros, everything, and how they'll put people in place for big reasons. So guys, until Sunday, see you soon. It's just for a minute.

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Hello and welcome to Investigator's Podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, this is part four of the Las Vegas mass shooting, also known as Route 91 Harvest Music Festival shooting. It is the deadliest mass shooting to ever occur on U.S. soil, killing 60 people and injuring over 800 people. On this episode, we sit down with a survivor of the event by the name of Josh and

He gives a detailed description of his events during that weekend leading up to the shooting and then also during the shooting what he and his friends did, how much terror he went through. Obviously part of this interview does get a little emotional, especially parts where he's talking about when he talks to his family for the first time once they finally realize that, hey, he's actually alive.

Now, obviously, as I said, 60 people died. But yes, there are over 800 people that are injured, many of which have had lifelong complications from this shooting. And and I'm sure just besides the people that are injured, there's a lot of mental anguish that have followed these people for many years. I'm sure some people have handled it better than others. But, you know, this is honestly unbelievable.

The reason why we want to do this was number one because of all the anomalies all the very weird things that happen surrounding this shooting Number two, it was like mainstream media did not want to cover this very long They kind of nipped that in the bud not long after the actual shooting happened They didn't try to utilize this for gun control, which they usually try to do There was just a lot of things that did not add up in there so we've had many people over the past four or five six years and

that have reached out and said is there any way you guys can look into this um also the audio we played and we did mention this on the last episode the audio we played over the past few episodes is mindy robinson she did an amazing job putting everything together all the timelines all the anomalies so i do want to give her credit she does have a youtube channel she has an x account make sure you go follow her and give her the credit that is due

This interview was emotional, Sherry, wasn't it? It was. It's just obviously interesting to talk to someone that went through something like that. I think Josh handles it pretty well now, although obviously, like I said during the interview, you can tell that things do get to him emotionally still sometimes.

And I think he did a great job explaining kind of what went on, not just the night of the shooting, but also everything leading up to it. And I think it's very important to have someone that was actually there come back and explain it to us like in real time, because...

You know, we can talk about it all the time, but we don't really understand what happens unless you're there. And, you know, media covered it for maybe a week. So you're right. They didn't really cover it that much. And I'm surprised now, as much as we've dug into this whole thing and found out so many things, there's so many unanswered questions.

that people need answers to. And it's just so very sad that it's just been cut short and no investigations like it should have been. Yeah, absolutely. There was too many anomalies. There was too many things that were off. There were too many things that were hidden. There were too many things leading up to the shooting. There were a lot of anomalies that was after the shooting. And there are still so many unanswered questions. By the way, I do want to say, I know that Josh does talk about setting up some type of

or fundraiser for the victims of the shooting. We're going to work with Josh to do that. So make sure you follow his account also that he had talked about on there and make sure you follow our account on X. We do have an X account, Investigator with Podcast. We have Facebook, Instagram, all of that. We also have a Telegram channel. You guys can go over and follow. That's where we discuss various things going on around the world on a daily basis. It's a very tight knit group over there, but you can follow us on Telegram as well.

Um, and like I said, I think what we want to do is once we figure out the, you know, kind of how that's going to work as far as if we can raise some money for the victims of this shooting, we will donate the proceeds of this or anything we make off this episode. Any ad revenue will donate to that cause. Um, so we will be working with Josh. We will let you guys know and keep you updated on that as more information is available on that. Um, but guys, that's going to do it for us in this intro. Let's get straight into the interview with Josh.

All right, everybody. We are here with Josh. Josh is a survivor of the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival, aka Las Vegas Mass Shooting. We have been covering this, obviously, the past few days. This is part four. Josh, I want to go ahead and welcome you to the show. How's it going, man?

Very good. Thank you very much for having me. And first off, thanks for putting out this series. Obviously, I was there and I'm like many people that were there and have always looked for additional answers and maybe clarification that never got. So I'm here to shed my light, you know? For sure. Yeah.

Josh, let's first just give a little bit. So you live in California. And as we were talking yesterday, I guess you travel a lot to go to country music concerts or just concerts in general. How's that?

Yeah, I live in Newport Beach and I've been going to country music concerts since I was a kid and continued that into my adulthood with, you know, lots of friends, family, met a lot of my best friends at country concerts and kind of family members as well. And yeah, it's just been a huge part of my life for as long as I can remember. So yeah,

Yes, traveled all over the country to country music festivals from CMA Fest to Tortuga Festival to a festival up north that was put on by the same guys as the Route 91 up at Watershed in Washington. So...

uh, yeah, been to tons and tons of concerts, thousands of them probably, and know a lot of people in the community and, you know, route 91 definitely made that community even tighter and stronger. So for sure. And so you're obviously from California, uh,

you know, it's not typical, I guess you would think of a lot of Californians that like country music. I, I, I think, I think that's what a lot of the country feels like. Uh, a lot of the United States feels like, but there's a huge country music, uh,

fan base here in Southern California. So I think we get a little bit of a bad rap for, uh, not be, not being hardcore country music fans, but every time, uh, a decent sized artist comes to Southern California, they always sell it out. And, and, uh, you know, we just, it's a huge community. In fact, uh,

you know, will allude to the fact that I believe probably maybe 50% or more of Route 91 attendees were from Southern California because it's such an easy flight or drive out to there. So don't, don't hold me to the percentage, but I know it was a large, large chunk that was out there for almost every year that Route 91 happened. So, okay. Now, so, so tell me a little bit about, you know,

when did you, how long had you planned on going to this music festival? And did you mention you had been to this same festival before?

Yeah, so me and my two best buddies, I'm going to leave their names out of it, but, you know, we went the two years prior, and we always stayed there at the Delano, because we like the Delano better than the Mandalay, but they're essentially the same, and they're connected as well. So it was just such a great festival that, you know, this was then our third festival,

Third time going to Route 91. And you can literally just walk from the Delano Mandalay Bay just across the street to the festival and back. And it's just, and they did a really great job. You know, kudos to the organizers and everything. They did a great job, had great artists. And it was just easy and fun. And anybody that's been to a country music concert or festival knows that the country music fans are just, everybody's so nice and kind and kind.

and outgoing. There's very rarely any hiccups or fights or anything like that. And it's just a really good time. And I would say probably, I mean, aside from like the early days of stagecoach, this would have been my second favorite festival, uh, out there. So, uh,

So yeah, we had planned on going from the three, I mean, from the previous year of, of route 91, we, we were like, yeah, we're definitely going back again. So we always knew we were going and it was just a matter of organizing the details of the month prior and getting a hotel and, and rocking and rolling. And,

And I think that's where a lot of people may be misguided as far as Californians liking country music, because you think about most people that like country music are Republicans. And if you think about California, it's more of a democratic state. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. Yeah. California is a is a blue voting state. Well, we could do a whole nother podcast on that, too. But there is a large amount of conservatives in California, in my opinion, and specifically in Orange County, you know.

Where I live in Newport Beach, it's inside Orange County, and Orange County is one of the last remaining Republican strongholds of the state of California. But I believe there's so many Republicans in California, and I think there's a lot of, you know, Democrat conversions coming over to the Republican side via the past, you know,

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I would say four to six years of the way, or maybe more that California has been, been run and the way things have gotten, which I think, you know, a lot of the nation is well aware of it, you know? So, but yeah, I mean, just, just looking at the, you know, country music fan base is just kind of conservative in general. Yeah. Um, and so I think, I think that's kind of the one thing that Californians can like gravitate to when it comes to, uh,

I mean, not only politics, but values and, and, you know, a large swath of things that, that, you know, represent the country music, music community. So, so yeah, I think it's a total, a total misconception that there's not a lot of a country fans and be conservatives in California. And, and,

I believe that there's more than anybody would ever think, which, like I said, we could do a whole other episode on the political spectrum of California. So, yeah, it's a misnomer. So, Josh, you get to your hotel that day, or I guess not that day. Did you get there prior? And then what time did you get to the venue? Yeah.

Yeah. So I'll give you guys a little background if you don't know all the details, but just, uh, we got there Thursday. This happened on a, on a Sunday night, right? We got there Thursday. A lot of people got there Thursday or Friday. Uh, this was a three day festival, right? So Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Friday and Saturday nights were as usual. Amazing. Uh,

Uh, everybody stays out late. I mean, you know, wake up the next morning, you know, uh, Saturday, Saturday and Sunday mornings, go to the pool, have some drink, like whatever, you know? And then this was the final day of the festival. So, uh,

that is kind of the setup of it. So we got out there Thursday afternoon, had a nice dinner, not too crazy Thursday night because Friday is the first day of the fest. At least I believe it was three. Yeah, it's a three day festival. I'm pretty sure. So, um, so yeah, it's a long weekend and that kind of dives into the fact that, uh, Sunday we were kind of like, we were me and my two best buddies. We were kind of like tapped out. We were like, I mean, we've seen Jason Aldean so many times, uh,

uh, we were like, do we need to go? And we're like, yeah, we're across the street. Of course we're going to go. You know what I mean? Um, but, but we're like, let's not like totally tie one on and get, you know, for lack of better terms, you know, blasted like we did the nights prior. Um, so we're like, let's just have some beers, you know, and, and enjoy ourselves and cruise around and see some other friends that we had there. And the, you know, Luke Combs wasn't

really that big back then, but he was playing on like a small side side stage. So we went over for that and then they were playing, uh, and then we walked out for God bless America. I think they were playing on the main stage and then everybody could correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there was one person that played before Jason Aldean when we got to the stage or to the VIP area and the stage at the main stage area. Uh,

But then we knew we would stay for Jason Aldean because, you know, why not? Yeah, we're right across the street and he puts on a great show. So, yeah, we had the whole weekend prior. And even like, you know, for some gals that we were hanging out with for the first large part of the weekend, they were from Canada and they even like left –

the Sunday morning and went back to, so there were, there were a certain amount of people that I think, uh, maybe bailed out Sunday morning because of work Monday and Monday and stuff like that. Uh, but obviously everybody knows it was, it was packed to Sunday night. So, and I bet that wears on a lot of people thinking they either left early or they thought, you know, I'm tired. Kind of like you are.

And, you know, I'm not going to go, but then they go. I wonder, you know, how their thinking is about that. Yeah, for sure. It's crazy. Yeah, I actually recently in the recent, you know, few months met up with a gal that, you know, ended up leaving Sunday morning and she was just, you know,

obviously, you know, felt sorry for everybody who was there, but, you know, she was just absolutely grateful that she wasn't there, you know, and her and her girlfriends had gone back to where they were from. And, and so, so yeah, I mean, you know, really this whole thing, it was just luck of the draw, you know, uh, me and my buddies and my loved ones and great friends and great, you know, kind of family members. Um, yeah, we all, who, uh, uh,

We all just got, in my opinion, very, very lucky, you know? So it could have been any of us. It was just totally random, and I wholeheartedly believe that, and that's why kind of my heart breaks for all those victims, you know? I'm even wearing a 58 bracelet right now, which it's now 60, but yeah, just a very tough situation for us

Everybody was there, but then the family members and loved ones that lost people. It was just such a tragic, tragic, tragic, tragic thing. So Josh, that's obviously heartbreaking. I mean, you see these images of the festival afterwards, the carnage and all of the videos we have played. Yeah.

you know, this series, we've played multiple videos of the shots ringing out and those shots are just eerie, right? I mean, obviously you were there, you heard them. And the more you hear these shots and the more the people scream and, and, and all of that is obviously a very traumatic event. But before we get into that, where exactly were you guys sitting in relation to not only the stage, but also Mandalay Bay, if you want to explain that.

Yeah. So if you go, if you walk out of Mandalay Bay and the Delano, it's on, you know, one main corner of Las Vegas, Vegas Boulevard. And then directly caddy corner across the intersection is the festival grounds. So it's literally like, I mean, I don't know, maybe a thousand, fifteen hundred feet from Mandalay Bay.

to the end to, well, there was a bunch of entrances, but the corner that the festival was on. So it's like literally just a stone's throw, you know what I mean? So, you know, they had the festival set up where if you took the plane of the stage and ran it straight across, that kind of like ran into the corner of the Luxor and then Mandalay's right across the street from the Luxor. So where me and my two best friends

and other friends and loved ones were at. We actually had VIP tickets and the VIP area was, if you went all the way to the right from the stage, if you went all the way right, there was a big kind of elevated deck and VIP area and a small VIP bar there. And unfortunately, it was right at the

you know, the closest corner to Mandalay Bay. Um, you know, looking back, it, uh, it's proven that, you know, out in the middle was, well, we can kind of get to that, but that's where we were. We were at, we were in the front right corner and, um,

And, you know, I'm a builder. I build, you know, huge custom homes and do high-end residential construction by trade here in Newport Beach. And I immediately, when the first round started ringing out, in my brain, I just kind of went to... In the VIP area, at the front of it, you know, there was this kind of metal barricade and some private bathrooms and a little private VIP bar. And then behind those was like...

a metal fence, but in front of those, there was only like a three or four foot tall, like just one of those movable metal barricades. And in my, in my builder brain, I was like, Oh shoot. Like some electrical is popping, uh, some high voltage electrical maybe or something. And all the sound and electrical trucks were right behind that area backstage. And so, uh,

in my mind, I was like, Hey, everybody, uh, get away from this metal barricade. Cause I don't want it to be high voltage and somebody gets shocked and, and whatever, you know? And so I immediately started saying that and then it stopped. And, uh,

I was like, oh, OK, maybe they got to figure it out or something. And then the second round started. I'm like, oh, shit, you know. And so that's kind of that's kind of where it started. Do you guys want me to then go into into this or do you have more questions before we get to that? Yeah. So so the VIP area, how visible and exposed is it to the Mandalay Bay?

The whole entire festival is completely 100% exposed to the Mandalay Bay. So it would only be if maybe...

No, I mean, even like, you know, my one best friend that was with me, I had two of them with me, but one was underneath the stage with everybody shot and everything like that. And, you know, bullets are still just pelting. He was like hiding under there until the whole entire time. And, and they're just pelting the stage, you know, and he's thinking this is it, you know what I mean? So, uh, the whole entire festival is essentially just exposed. Even the VIP area, the elevated area had like a canopy over it, but I

I mean, these bullets can penetrate that canopy, no problem. So, uh, and then from the elevated VIP deck, there was like, uh, from what I remember, I think I'm correct. Uh, there was a small thing of grandstands, maybe I'd say eight or 10 rows or something, uh, on an incline down to the grassy area that the entire festival was on. So, um, a lot of people like hit under those bleachers, uh,

I believe some people hid under, I mean, a lot of people obviously hid under the VIP elevated deck area. And yeah, I mean, the entire festival was exposed. There just, there was no getting away, you know? And,

And it just seems like the first few shots, you know, they're very slow and intentional. And it seemed like a lot of people did not realize it was gunfire. They thought it was fireworks or somebody in the, you know, the audience doing fireworks or firecrackers or whatever. Do you think it's because the music was so loud and you guys just didn't hear it? Or what do you think? I believe that first round. I don't know or haven't.

I don't really, I guess, have an opinion on whether it was slow or not. I don't think so. Looking back, I believe it was probably whoever anybody thinks it was doing the shooting. They were just trying to figure out where their bullets were going to be going. But no, I don't think it was slow. But also, you got to understand in the heat of the moment, nobody at this festival is expecting that

you know, bullets are going to be raining down. So the first round kind of caught everybody, I believe, probably off guard, or they just thought it was something, you know, immediately, you know, your brain doesn't go into, Oh, we're being shot at. Although in my brain after the first round and then the second round started, I was like, okay, terrorists are coming in from this corner. Like, but I, in my mind, I was like street level, you know, like not,

I mean, I guess maybe some people, but like in my mind, I've never talked to anybody. It was like, Oh yeah, I figured they were shooting us from the top of the building, you know? Um, so I don't think the first round was necessarily slow. Uh, I don't listen to a lot of the tapes of all the gunshots and everything just cause that's not fun, uh, for, for me. But, uh, if you guys have listened to more than I, then you might know better. Um, but I,

I think just in that moment, uh, no, you just think it's something random and you don't really know. And to your point too, and to Sherry's point as well, like the first volley of gunfire, I guess it kind of just sounds like a little more methodical, uh, as you listen to some of the other volleys of gunfire, it sounds, it sounds like to your point that maybe he was just seeing where his, uh, where he was actually hitting, uh, versus where he was aiming probably. And that's how he was setting up his, his guns. But,

I don't know. Either way, it was crazy. Yeah. Sorry. No, go ahead. Backing up real quick. What time did you get to the festival?

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compared to when he started? So I think, I think we probably rolled over there or walked over there about, um, I don't know, maybe like 4 PM I'd say or so, uh, maybe, maybe four or five. Uh,

And, you know, kind of time just kind of flies that you see tons of people, you know, you go over to the back, back corner. That's where the next that's where Luke Combs played in the very back corner, just across from I believe it was Hooters right across the street. So you walk all the way over there, see some people get drink, like whatever, you know, get a beer and then you make your way. I believe it was still light out when they were playing God Bless America or the sun was going down.

And so then things kind of just start trickling along and next thing you know, it's dark and back before Jason Aldean was on and then Jason Aldean. So I think I think we rolled over there about three or four p.m. or so. OK, so you had about five or six hours before the gunfire. All right. So the first round of gunfire. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Yeah. What time was the exact gunfire, did they say? I think it was right about 10. I think it ended at what, 10, 24, 10, 23? Yeah, because the last shots were at 10, 24. Yeah, so it was 11 minutes.

So yeah. So it was 11 minutes of gunfire. So about 10 something, 10, 10, 10, 10. Yeah. Yeah. I feel, I feel like he was probably only like midway through his set. So maybe that makes sense. Maybe he came on at nine 30 and then if it was maybe in my brain, I have 10 Oh seven that it started or something. 10 Oh seven or 10 Oh eight that it started. Yeah. Uh,

So, yeah, maybe he was halfway through his set. That probably seems about right. So, Josh, you guys, you start here. You hear this first volley. You said that you thought maybe it was electrical equipment from some of the sound stuff or, you know, whatever the trucks are at the concerts. When did you guys what was your first move as soon as you realized, hey, this is gunfire? And then explain from there. Yeah, just take us through the night. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. All right. Yeah, no problem. If you guys need me to stop, just say so. Uh, so then when the second round started, uh,

Me and my one best friend, because my other best friend that went under the stage, he was talking to some other people a little bit ways away, but me and my one best friend, the second round started and we're like, holy shit, we got to get the hell out of here. I think that's when everybody was like, sum is up. And

I think everybody just started running away from where it was coming from, which in my brain, it was the street. But then really, everybody kind of ran out into the middle of a festival trying to get away from where that sound was coming from.

And so it became a total disaster out in the middle of the festival. I mean, obviously it's just packed with people and then you have more people from that front right corner moving towards the center. So it was just like a sea of people. So that second round starts, we start running and then the, the, and we're just booking it. Right. So we get probably, you know, 25, 30 yards away. And, and,

And it stops the second round then stops. And so me and my buddy, I'm like trying to not say my buddy's name. So me and my buddy, I'm like, okay, stop. We like slowed down a little bit and then it started again. And the third round started. And I kind of just remember in my head, like looking at the festival and everybody just kind of hit the deck. And where were you at when this third round started exactly? Yeah.

Yeah, so like halfway between the VIP area and the main catwalk that came out from the stage. Because there was a catwalk that came out maybe 50 yards. So we were like, in my mind, we were like from the front of the VIP grandstands area to that catwalk, we were maybe halfway there. And so that second round stopped, and then the third round started. And I just remember looking...

And by the way, everything is like a blur. So it's like, I remember looking over the festival and I just saw everybody go down and me and my buddy hit the deck too. We were like, all right, get down. You know, at this point, this is a third round. So, but then I think midway through the third round, I said to my buddy, I'm like, dude,

I'm, I don't even know what I said, to be honest with you. So I'm like, let's get the fuck out of here. Like, I'm not going to sit here and get, I guess, I guess maybe I did realize at that point. Yeah. It's, it's gunfire. I'm not going to just sit here. So we get up in the middle of the third round and then continue on. We get about maybe 15, 20 yards and everybody is kind of doing the same thing at that point. Like, okay, let's just get out of here. Even though there's shots are now.

and I come across these two guys, um, and, uh, everybody was trampling all over them. Uh, they were still on the ground and, and they, they were gone. Um, they were, they were dead. So, uh,

I stopped to try to get people to stop from stepping on them and trampling them. And then my buddy ended up, he just kept booking it, which, yeah, rightfully so, dude. Just keep on going. And so I saw for those guys, there's nothing you could do. So I made a left to head straight towards the back of the venue, which the venue is kind of longer rather than wider. Yeah.

So I made a left to go back towards the back of the venue. I don't know why. I mean, I guess I should have just kept going towards that other far back corner, but made a left, went straight back. And and then I ended up coming across another girl that was gone. And I just at that point, I made then another left.

and headed straight out towards where the VIP entrance to the festival was, which was directly on Las Vegas Boulevard. And so if you think about where I'm at now,

That VIP entrance from Las Vegas Boulevard, you can look directly across the boulevard and that's the front of the Luxor. So I get to that exit or what was an entrance. I get there and I immediately step foot outside of the festival grounds, festival grounds. And there's like a three or foot tall, like kind of cinder block wall, textured cinder block wall.

And I kind of looked at everybody. I kind of thought everybody was still hiding and stuff. I mean, this is probably now, let me think about it. Maybe this is like the fifth round now of gunfire that's going on. Maybe fifth or sixth. I don't really recall. But I see everybody laying down.

front of this block wall that's not on the Las Vegas side of Boulevard side of the wall but the festival side of the wall and I'm like everybody's laying here but why in my mind I was like why are they bleeding though so even at that even at that point even after I had seen those two guys and that girl that were gone I go in my brain still didn't even register I'm like why are all these people just bleeding everywhere and everybody was shot and crying and

and screaming and just, it was, it was mass chaos and they're just leaning against the wall. I mean, people saying, I don't want to die this and that, you know? Um, and I, I, Hey, listen, I'd be the first to say, I'd love to say I was a hero and go back in there, but I'm like, I am out of here. I'm like, so I ran, I ran across Las Vegas Boulevard at that point. I guess this is probably during the maybe seventh round of gunfire or something. Um,

I ran across Las Vegas Boulevard and it was a bit challenging to like get to the main door of the Luxor. So I like ran around the right side of the Luxor,

And as soon as I got around the corner, I had AK 47s coming at me with, you know, three or four sheriff's officers. They were just guns drawn coming towards me. And I'm like, Hey, Hey guys, I'm in boots and American flag tights and no shirt, a cowboy hat. It ain't me. You know? So I'm like, it's definitely not me, but they're that way, you know? And I'm like, shit's going down over there. So they're like, they're like, well get inside right now. And they started yelling at me to get inside and stuff. So,

then, so I'm around the right side of the Luxor and I turned to go in the side, the right side entrance of the Luxor. And so it was kind of, at that point it became a bit of a surreal moment because I run into the Luxor and,

And there's like, from what I recall, there's like a few little tiny shops and then the casino, the entrance to the casino and everything. And I run in and I'm screaming like, you guys, there's, there's gunmen outside. They're killing everybody and this and that. And the, the Luxor is just in normal course of business. They don't even know, nobody even inside even knows that anything's going on directly across the street at that point.

So I kind of was like, no, you guys, you've got to listen to me. Like, I felt like a crazy person. Well, that's not fair to me. But so like, I felt like a crazy person trying to scream at these people that people are dying outside and they're shooting going on, you know, outside. And people are kind of looking at me like, yeah, right. Like, you know, whatever. And then I, and then I, so I kept running in and like trying to tell everybody. And then I think, okay,

I think at that point then maybe some words started to come across that it was happening and people kind of started to realize, but I was only inside the Luxor for maybe, you know, three or four, five minutes. Um,

Uh, you know, I take that back. Once I got into Luxor, those little shops, I, I was telling everybody and everything and they're kind of like, what? So I'm like, call. Okay. Now I remember I was inside this maybe jewelry shop, little jewelry shop. And so I'm like, call security, call security. You guys need to know that this is going on out there. And so I go, I can't get ahold of secure. I'm like, you know what? All right, forget it. So I just kept running and telling everybody I could. And then, uh,

From that point, somehow, and by the way, I had left all of my stuff there. So like I had like an American flag jacket on. Me and my buddies had American flag jackets on. Like all of my hundreds of dollars in chips and cash and ID, phone, everything was in those jackets. And we left them there.

And so I had no phone, no nothing. I just had myself. Right. So I ended up making my way across the bridge. I think probably they started telling people to go further away. So which would take you on a bridge to the Excalibur hotel. And once I got in the Excalibur hotel, there was, there was chaos going on there. And, and,

The fact of the matter is, is that now that I know they were all false threats inside the Excalibur because every, God, I don't know, maybe 10 minutes, like everybody would start flipping out, running, everything like that. And, and FBI or not FBI SWAT was coming through the hotel saying, telling everybody to hide, hide. And then they would come back and say it was a false threat. So there was like mass chaos inside Excalibur.

This hotel, Hooters, I'm sure, too, and a lot of the hotels on Las Vegas Boulevard, and I'm sure the Luxor and Mandalay and everything, you know? But in the Excalibur, at first, I was in the lobby, and that happened a couple times. And I was trying to get people to give me their cell phones so I could call my sister and my family, like anybody I could reach to, or my two buddies or other friends and family friends that were there. But I didn't know anybody. In this day and age, you don't know anybody's phone number. So you're like...

So then I'm Facebooking people. I try to like get people's phones. They log into my Facebook, my Instagram, like all of this. And I'm trying to get to anybody I can. And eventually then I think for whatever reason, I think...

the SWAT team came through and there was another round of, Oh, shooter inside the hotel. And so I booked it to, uh, what was Dick's last resort, the restaurant. And,

and that's inside the hotel. So I booked it over there and there was only a few people there crying and stuff like that. Um, and I'm like, you guys, I ran in, I'm like, you guys get behind the effing bar. Like, and I ran into the kitchen. There was nobody in the kitchen. There's still food on the grill and everything like that, you know? And so I'm like trying to hide, hide the, the maybe six or seven people that are there. But then I, I remember hearing them call it again. That was a false threat. So I'm,

Then I steal a shirt from behind the counter and Dick's eyes are on freezing. So I like steal a shirt and I'm trying to call my dad on the, on the phone at the front desk of the Dick's last resort. And so I was there, I couldn't get through to anybody. So then I was there for like,

I don't know. Maybe it was like 15, 20 minutes. And then another round even came of false threats and gunfire inside the hotel and somebody coming through killing people. So I ended up running out. What time was that? So this is probably...

1130 then maybe, maybe 1130 almost midnight or so at that point. Awesome. Probably. I'm glad I have that timestamp for you. Cause we're going to talk about that in a minute, but go ahead and keep going. Okay. Yeah. So then ran, I found a door next to the hotel. I, I ran out the back. Oh no, no. I must've ran out the back of the restaurant, but then still made my way back into the hotel and,

And there were two escalators somewhere and they were sending everybody up the escalators inside the Excalibur to like an area that had. If your job at a health care facility includes disinfecting against viruses, you know prevention is the best medicine and maintaining healthy spaces is the best medicine.

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I believe like either a concert hall or, um, or a, uh, uh, what do you call them? A convention room or something like that. And then outside of it, there was a bunch of like little restaurants and shops and stuff like that. Well, they were like bringing people, they were trying to get like sheets for people and stuff like that to like, you know, get in this convention area. And they had, they had police and, and, and swatting everything there. And,

And then I don't know why I didn't go in there, but I ended up just kind of perching out on like, I put two chairs together at one of the little restaurants outside. And I kind of just, you know, laid down, you know, maybe it was later then, because I feel like I had laid down on those chairs at maybe like 2 a.m. or something. So maybe...

Maybe everything took a little bit longer. But anyways, I ended up sleeping on these two chairs that I put together. And what's kind of crazy is by the time I ended up being able to fall asleep, I must have only gotten a couple hours of sleep. And then...

It's crazy. I woke up and I looked over and there was one of my buddies walking by and I'm like, Oh my God. Now that isn't that crazy out of everybody. I literally opened my eyes and he's walking by and I'm like,

holy shit where have you been he's like oh i was in an apartment complex way clear on the on the other side of the venue that back corner uh you know he had you know given his belt i was like your bell your you know he's like he's like giving his people his belt to people that were shot and trying to stop the bleeding and stuff like that you know so so that's kind of that's kind of where i

not things, not things ended, but, uh, I just want to give some perspective to the listeners where it's like, that was then let's just call it 5.00 AM maybe. Uh,

and the sun's already maybe peeking through. And so we maybe four or 5.00 AM and sun's peeking through. So we both start walking out the back of the Excalibur because things had kind of calmed down at that point. And we're like, Oh, we'll just go back to the Delano and try to get into our room. Well, we start walking across the street from the Luxor to the Delano and

And I don't even remember if it was one or two cars, they come screeching around the corner from the festival site area and officers are drawing guns at these cars going, stop, stop, stop, stop. You know what I mean? And, and,

And so then they're like, no, you guys. So that happened. I was like, what the fuck is going on here? You know, like they, they clearly have an investigation going on there and these cars are flying towards us. And the police have barricades up. So it's like, what is this person crazy person doing in their car? You know? So I remember that vividly. Then we, then they say, you guys can't go into Mandalay anyways, Delano. No, it's all shut down. So the Luxor,

was kind enough to be giving out rooms to anybody and everybody who needed them. So we went back to the Luxor, they handed us a key, we went to the room, and from our room, you could see the festival site.

So I'm like, we flip the TV on. Obviously, everything's going on on the news at that point or a lot starting to come on, you know, because it's now starting to become morning time. I guess it was probably 7 or 8 a.m. on the East Coast. So people are starting to find out things. And we're like, all right, let's get another couple hours of sleep, see if we can get some shut eye. And then we'll make our way back to, you know, Mandalay in a little while. Well, ended up, I think we went, we watched the news for a bit.

went to bed and about, I think 7am or 8am somehow my sister and my buddy's sisters or sister ended up, ended up finding out that we were at the Luxor and they had called our room and they were crying and they were, they were crying and like wondering if we were alive and stuff like that, you know? So yeah, I couldn't imagine. That's crazy, man. I mean, yeah.

It's insane to hear your kind of play by play. And, and I guarantee you that, you know, although I think you're doing an amazing job explaining it, you know, the adrenaline dump, the, the,

uh just sure terror and fear and all those things i mean i can't imagine what that does on your body and your mind and trying to get two hours of sleep and waking up and then two hours sleep here and even seeing dead bodies in real life i mean we see it on tv all the time but when you actually experience it in your life and see it and run over people that are deceased i mean that's got to do something to you josh let me ask you yeah did you did you did you see a lot of dead bodies it didn't

Uh, uh, so the three that I ended up coming across, uh, were the only three. And I mean, obviously after the fact, I, I,

unfortunately was sent pictures of the festival site and stuff like that. So yeah, there was more after the fact, but, uh, which I never shared with anybody or anything like that. But, um, but the store, the story did. Uh, so yeah, but you know, I saw more people that were, were shot and wounded and bleeding and freaking out and stuff like that. Uh,

then then passed but you know the story doesn't end there and I think it's important to tell you guys this part but and the listeners this part but once we woke up and got those calls from our sisters and and we then were able to you know call friends and stuff like that or a couple friends then

My buddy and I were like, OK, it's I guess maybe probably 8 or 9 a.m. or so. We're like, let's get outside. Let's try to get over our hotel, start getting our stuff. Maybe our other buddies back there. Maybe our family friends are back there and other loved ones are back there. And so we go out. So I'm sorry. At this point, you don't even know if they're alive or dead or where they are because you don't know. Did your buddy have his phone? No.

No, neither of us had phones. We had nothing. We had nothing. Wow. So, uh,

So it's now like morning time, right? And then our sisters had, I don't even, actually I should ask my sister because I still don't even know how they figured out we were at the Luxor. But after we got off those kind of tough calls, we went out front of the Luxor and we were talking to Las Vegas Police Department, you know, and it's the sun's up now and we're just kind of shooting the shit with, I believe it was two officers. It may have just been one guy.

But he was parked out there in front of the Luxor. The festival, you know, site is just across Las Vegas Boulevard from us. So just, you know, you can throw a rock across to the festival. There's obviously, obviously that's all, you know, roped off and you can't go over there and everything. So we're just kind of chilling with this officer, kind of recapping what had happened. Well,

So let's just call it 9 a.m. now. And all of a sudden he gets a call and people start storming out the front of the Luxor running. And he flips open the back of his car, pulls his guns out of there, like cocks him, draws him and starts going into the Luxor. So this is this is the next day.

So he's bombing his way into Luxor with all of his guns drawn. And then it ended up being that threats were coming from upstairs at the Luxor saying they were going to come down to the lobby and kill everybody that was down there.

So it's like everybody was scattering outside and then he came back like 10 minutes later, people are freaking out and he's like, Oh, it's just a BS call from upstairs. So it's like there were so many, there were so many calls and so many false threats and so many, like so much bullshit that like,

It's, it's really hard. I mean, we can get into what else happened on the street, but it's really hard to kind of quantify how many things came through, you know, the wires and all the reactions and everything that had to happen, you know? Absolutely. And Josh. So sorry. I just thought, I thought that was important to tell the lizard. It's absolutely important, especially about what we're about to talk about. Cause I want to, I want to dig in a little more kind of your experience in just a minute, but

I don't know if you followed this series. This is our fourth episode with you as a survivor of that actual concert, that music festival. But, you know, over these past three episodes...

You know, obviously we you would actually send me something earlier said, yeah, there was, you know, people like, oh, conspiracy podcast. Yeah, I don't know if that's, you know, but yeah, but here's the reality of what we do. So on this podcast, we try to expose truth through corruption and propaganda in mainstream media. Obviously, conspiracy is tied to our name because a lot of people that want real information or at least an outside perspective are

They look for conspiracy stuff because the media and government have said anything. Like, for example, all of the things that most people were right about during COVID was a conspiracy. Right. So now people are like, oh, conspiracy must be true. That's the buzzword for truth now is conspiracy. But the reality of this is we've dove really deep. Mindy Robinson is a is a investigative journalist that did a ton of work on this entire situation in Las Vegas.

Now, there's a couple of things I want to say. Number one, you had talked about earlier, you thought it was coming from the road. Now, obviously, I wouldn't think that you probably said that it was coming from the road because you just didn't know, right? I mean, it's obvious that you can't probably tell a difference between coming from Mandalay Bay versus coming from the street.

But it is interesting that there are a lot of witnesses that believe that they were both coming from the Mandalay Bay once, I guess, some people realized it was coming from Mandalay Bay. And then they also believe potentially there was another shooter either in the street or so on. The very interesting thing about this is, is that the amount of shell casings that they found on Las Vegas Boulevard is

And other streets that there's no way possible, number one, that it could have possibly come from the 34th. I think it's the 34th floor where Stephen Paddock supposedly was. They found empty shell casings in the hundreds in multiple locations across the strip. Yeah. And that just is weird to me. But yeah, you had said numerous times, too, about the false threats, right?

And one of the things you said about the false threat at Dick's last resort, 1130 PM. Right. So there, there's actually video and FOIA request for,

of nine LVPD body cameras that was FOIAed between 1130 and 1159 p.m. So this is far after the shooting has ended. Steven Paddock is supposedly dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. But about at 11, I think it was 1136 or it was 1159. I can't remember the exact time right now. But across nine body cameras, there was automatic gunfire

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Granger, for the ones who get it done. Between 1130 and 1159, and it is all captured on FOIA, body camera footage of LVPD officers between 1130 and 1159 p.m. Yeah, and there was even— And where was this at? So there was officers at various locations across the strip. There was officers at the Luxor. There was officers at—

Where was it else? I mean, there was like six locations, probably within a mile and a half distance of Mandalay Bay, a mile and a half to two miles. Like you were saying, there's these false threats going on everywhere, but people have recordings and police have recordings of you can hear the gunfire. Yeah, between that time. Right. So, I mean, listen, I would get deeper and deeper on this, but I believe that

What I think happened, there has to be contingency plans and things that have to be done to try to cover things up. And so I would tell you guys and the listeners, you know, direct right after the shooting stopped, I confirmed with my buddy this morning that he was outcast.

outside, he ran out of the stage and he went across the whole backside of the festival. He was at, there was no other shooters near the festival. So then let's, let's take, let's take the time. So that, that I, you know, believe. So there was no sure if there was gun casings and first of all, if there sounds with no video, well, in my mind, I go, this is Las Vegas. Every single square inch of Vegas is on video. So, um,

where were those shots coming from? B, I go, well, did they have other areas set up as a contingency plan to make it look like it was an entire strip thing? So we'll get into what I think happened in whatever you guys want. But I believe that if they're, first of all, I didn't,

I haven't really heard like a ton of that, like out of a lot of survivors and stuff like that. Um, firsthand, I know there were threats all the way down the strip, but I haven't heard a lot of, Oh, we heard gunshots and stuff like that. And you know what, to a certain extent, people think they hear things, but if you guys are saying you can hear it on the body cam, well,

Number one, what time was that at? You know, was it and what time did you say it was at? It was between 1130 and 1159, because if you actually look at the body of the nine different officers, it shows the time. I can't remember the exact time. It could have been like 1159 p.m.

Right. So if these officers have their body cans and they're close enough to, you know, yeah, have some gunshot sounds on it and stuff like that, then where, where is it coming from? Or were those gunshots plan? I mean, were they planned to then make it look like a whole thing? I don't know, but all I know is I haven't heard a lot of that from survivors that were running and stuff like that, or people that were staying on other parts of the strip and stuff like that. So,

I know I believe that probably if that happened, which, you know, also body cam footages. I don't know. Nowadays, you can make anything happen, I guess, you know, on some footage. But I'm a person that has to see something to believe it. And so if there's no video of people with guns shooting in these six different locations, well, then.

OK, so there's audio. Well, I mean, I don't know. It's just hard for me to kind of accept. The interesting thing about it was, is that in addition to the body cam, the timestamps, all that, you know, there were probably five cases of these officers with other officers. And so when these when these when these shots starts ringing out, they're actually talking to each other. He said, that's automatic gunfire.

100%. Yeah. And there were some of them that were told to turn their body cam off.

Yeah, exactly. So this is all alluding to my, so why would an officer ever turn his body cam off? Well, if he was told to. So it's like, okay, if somebody was calling the shots, no pun intended, like if somebody's calling the shots, telling officers to turn their body cam off and there's only sound and they don't know where it's coming from and we haven't seen any video of it, well, then maybe it was part of the contingency plan. Yeah.

And so I see here, because these officers that heard it clearly, and clearly they would have started going towards it or they would know. And I don't know, maybe I would have heard or people would have heard by now. Well,

what that was going on, but I don't think anybody was shot or died down there or at these, at these other areas. So I go, so we have no bodies. We have nobody that got shot or, well, I mean, I guess you couldn't say because they were rushing people to the hospitals, right. From every different, which way near the festival. But, but there, there was none of this. So it's like, were they, were there all these different locations where they're just firing, uh,

guns off or, or these noises off to try to make it look like it was, was going on throughout the trip. And it wasn't just this one space. I, it'd be interesting to look and see, uh,

I don't want to put anybody in a tough position, but like it'd be interesting to see what hotels or what exact locations those were. And if they were, you know, certain properties owned by, I mean, so, uh, but at the end of the day, there's no, there's no shell casings down there and there's no dead bodies. There's nobody shot down there. I haven't heard of anybody shot down in these other areas or maybe they put the casings there. Maybe, maybe casings were planted. I don't know. You know, I just,

Everything's open for interpretation. What do you mean by the contingency plan? What does that mean? Yeah, let's maybe get into, by the way, to Sherry's point. Obviously, there's a lot of anomalies with this whole thing. But what is kind of some of your thoughts? And like the false threats, where do you think it came from? What is that? What do you think happened? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, I get flack from people for it, but I mean, I've just been paying attention to government for so long and inner workings of it and what really happens and domestic and international politics. I just, I have a good pulse on things and I'm not, I'm not saying I'm right. All I say is,

is I personally do not believe that this old guy that had a bunch of millions of dollars and gambled, you know, did this, right? There's a few things where it's like,

A, like, why were there two windows broken out? Like, if it was just this one dude, then, like, why would you break out two different windows? It doesn't make any sense. And start shooting people from two to, like, and why did he have, I think it was, like, what, 20 or 30 different, all the guns were different guns.

types of guns um and why would you then shoot like and then you just shoot yourself like i don't know like it just doesn't register in my in my brain and and also like again we're in las vegas there's literally footage of everybody every square inch at every single second of every day in las vegas so all they have is him going up like an elevator that i never get to go in

you know, um, and some bags being brought up and, uh, and then we can get into the fact that, you know, uh, me and my friends have, uh, connections to, uh, you know, people in the FBI and, uh, very, you know, verbatim we're told, do not believe what you're being told, you know, uh, you know, and they alluded to other things, but it's a, do not believe that bullshit. Like, uh,

We can't tell you exactly what happened, but, you know, just don't even buy it, you know? So don't buy it. But don't buy what bullshit? What are they talking about? I mean, don't buy that it was this old white dude. You know, the mainstream media narrative, in fact, you know, let's just call it what it is. You have to question every mainstream narrative nowadays, you know? And I was questioning them way back when, you know? Now, the flip side of it, I talked to...

you know, a Congressman a couple of months ago and I, about something else that, that, uh, was going on. And I asked him about this too. And he says, Oh no, it was that guy. Now I get it. He has to tell me that, you know? Um, but, uh,

I believe very, very differently. So, and literally after it happened, very fresh after it happened, me and my friends and sources are told that, you know, Hey, don't, don't believe what the narrative is saying. You know, in fact, we talked to a reporter the next morning and

And she was telling us, you know, in person, you guys would have, you guys have no idea what is going on, what has gone on up there, you know? So, and I, and I struggle getting into some other details. I struggle with, okay, the shooting stopped and there, and there was like 40, 50 minutes or so between then and when LVPD went in. Yeah. And then this guy has this suite and,

And I have heard that there was a room next to it that maybe, you know, FBI or whoever was in. And so, I mean, the bottom line is, is I, I personally, and listen, I could be wrong, you know, we're all right sometimes and wrong sometimes, but I believe that this was a government operation to catch terrorists and to

I have heard that in the past that this guy, this old white guy that was up there, you know, was a gun runner and a criminal in the past and has family history of criminal criminality and stuff like that. And I believe that he, you know, was working for somebody, whether it's a three letter agency or whatever. And, you know, I think he was set up there to, to be exactly that a gun to sell guns to either a terrorist or so, or somebody. And I think it went bad. And so that's,

That's what, listen, I'm not naive to the fact that the United States government can never, ever say that, you know, like I get it. I get it how government works. They just cannot do that, you know? And so I think that that 40, 50 minute time period is very critical and should be ultimately questioned by everybody, especially, you know, my, my fellow survivors that you went, went through it and deserve answers and stuff.

Um, I think I wouldn't even put it past that, you know, maybe somebody else took out the guard, the security guard, because they could not allow him to go in there for any reason, you know? Right. So, um,

There's all these things that just don't add up. And then you pile on the fact that like, you never hear about route 91 anymore. You don't ever hear about the biggest mass shooting in American history. Like even the, even the, the, the narrative of gun control and stuff isn't used on route 91. So you're like,

they don't, they don't use rear 91 as a crutch for their, for, you know, gun control and stuff like that. And so in my brain, in my mind that I, and things I've looked into in the past, you know, 25 years of my life and pay close attention to, uh,

All day, every day. I just, I struggle with accepting the narrative, you know? Yeah. And Josh, you know, to your point, I know we had talked about this kind of on the pre podcast conversation we had the other night, but yeah,

I know that you said that you didn't necessarily hear helicopters around during the shooting, which I would imagine as well. They would be kind of hard to even fathom that maybe in your brain during that time. Maybe I don't know. Also with loud music, then gunfire, whatever. But I think the last episode we did part three, which I encourage everybody to go check out and I encourage everybody to go check out all the episodes we've done. We have video episodes.

of not only video slash audio and then, you know, of helicopters during the time of the shooting. We also have the flight radar 24 data to where there was about, I think it was nine helicopters that were inbound to the area right before the shooting happened. They, they, they turned off their ADS-B. This is actually all verifiable.

They all turned off their ADS-B. Then there was one plane that was registered as Southwest Airlines that was coming into, I think it was McCarran or one of the others. But it was interesting because this plane just kind of veers off from McCarran and actually hovers above Mandalay Bay. Now, you can also tie this exact time into...

flight radar 24 with a helicopter that comes in right above Mandalay Bay. It turns this ADS beyond. And then there is a video footage from a witness that shows the Mandalay Bay right after the shooting. Um, it shows a video of a helicopter hovering above. You can see the lights right above Mandalay Bay. It literally looks like it's landing on the hotel. Yeah. And then, and then, so after that, they, um,

you see this helicopter take off or, or kind of disperse from the area. And then after all of this, you see about seven or eight helicopters leaving the area, turning their ADS beyond, which is basically their tracking device. Once they get out of the Los Angeles area and they're heading North. So these are all viable things. And it's just who the hell were these helicopters and who was, because their tail, their tail things are more like they were sequential order. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. So this, this all screams government operation. I mean, listen, again, caveat could be wrong, could be right, whatever, you know, but this all screams government operation. I mean, so is the timestamps of these things. Oh, they had their, their radar off so they couldn't be detected, but it's like, I'd venture to just, I don't know, but I'd venture to guess that one came down when it started happening. And then there was like 40, 50 minutes of,

clean it up and get out of there. Does that, does that check out or no? Yeah. I mean, it's essentially, it shows them kind of coming into the area and there were, there were people that really went back on that date. Exactly. It's a kind of replay actual, um, air, air trap control, uh, radar data. And it shows these helicopters coming in from a certain location. As soon as they start getting into the strip area, uh, they turn off their tracking devices. Uh,

And then not long after this actually happened, the weird, the very strange thing was the Southwest aircraft. And here's the thing about this airplane. This airplane did not turn off its ADS-B data or ADS-B data. It actually instead did not land. It went over the McCarran Airport, but then transversed above the Mandalay Bay, which was which is the helicopter we think is the one that was hovering above. It's a fake airplane or whatever. And it was really a helicopter.

If it is the government, obviously they can change tail numbers. But listen, that plane, that Southwest airplane didn't land until 20 minutes after that plane supposedly departed north. And planes don't hover. Planes do not hover. Yeah, planes don't hover. Right. I'm not privy to details of this stuff, but I would venture to say, and I think this is probably some common knowledge, that there's only –

a certain level of, of, uh, people that can, you know, change tail numbers and dark out airplanes and stuff like that. So, uh, and if there was a bunch of tail numbers in sequential order or very similar, um, I, it just kind of all feeds into my, um, thought that there was something going on now. I mean, I have my thought and my theory of what happened, you know, but, uh,

uh, kind of just as an all encompassing thing, I think, okay, well they had to get everybody out of there. That was part of it, you know? Um, and again, I listen, I'm aware that our, our nation and our, our government has to do certain things to catch people that are trying to harm us internally and externally. Um, and I think unfortunately sometimes those things go bad. Uh,

And there's just nothing. I mean, it just is what it is. Our government can never, ever say that that happened. But then I know that there's other things like, you know, certain people have, you know, stock options and stuff like that. There's a lot.

Yeah.

They're peddling narratives and putting Chinese people laying in the streets and it came from a wet market. No, there's no way. And that was my exact next question to you is before the pandemic happened, they had a simulation of event 201 where they basically simulated COVID and how they're going to deal with giving people vaccinations and how they're going to deal with people that

That reveals them like a whole simulation. This is my question, though. That week or that week leading to or even that day, they said they had some kind of simulation going on in Las Vegas with active shooters. Did you hear anything about that or know anything about that where the FBI would be things?

Uh, I don't, God, I mean, I don't, I don't necessarily remember that. I do remember that there was a festival the week prior, but I don't, I don't know if it was even at that same location. I think it was down on the other end of the strip. And I think from what I'd have to like dig deep back in my memory bank, but like, I think maybe it was, if that happened, it was done before that even other festival. Um,

So, you know, I don't I don't recall that that information. I certainly could probably look it up and talk to some people and stuff. But I don't remember that. But you know what? Where there's smoke, there's fire, you know, and that would make sense that, you know, that was true.

Going on and it could be a complete coincidence or it could definitely be connected, you know, and the reason it could be connected is because you said there are false threats going on, like every, you know, half hour, hour or whatever, wherever you were after the whole thing happened, like you were at the Luxor Excalibur.

And there's these false threats, people saying they're going to come down and kill people. You know, everybody's freaking out and it's a false alarm. You know, in my mind, I'm almost connecting. Well, what if they were doing that as a simulation? I don't know. Well, but I don't know. I mean, who else would

be doing these threats. Yeah, to maybe have units in place to be able to do these things. Because the interesting thing was Mindy Robinson, she did an incredible job on the investigative journalism that she's done. She's worked years on this investigation. And, you know, one of the things that she can prove is that they actually had active shooter events happening leading up to that festival. Along with

Yeah, crisis actors that were involved in certain things, which, by the way— Which, well, you're not saying it's anybody that happened. No, but to the contrary, there was also George Soros. I mean, we've heard George Soros many times, but it's on record that he did buy put options on MGM two months before that. I think the CEO of MGM also sold a lot of his stock about a month before the event actually happened.

Yeah. So there's all these things. And, and, and the thing about it is like, we don't want to just put a conspiracy veil over the whole thing because the reality of this is, is like, we want to know what happened because, because number one, Josh, you could be dead right now and not even having this conversation. And you had sent me a message or, or you had told me a friend that had been injured pretty severely, right? With, with,

this whole event. What was her thought? I know you'd reach out to her.

Well, first to be, to be very clear on my stance, I believe that it was an operation to sell guns to terrorists or some individuals and it just went bad. I do believe that now who, who knew it was going to be go bad or not or whatever. I want to tread very carefully in, in, uh, accusations and stuff. Uh, but I also know that no, uh,

stocks and options very well and i know how lucrative those things can be so uh just make that very clear that is is my position on it that it was just an operation combat and the government you know unfortunately just has to do those things to keep some of us safe you know and this one just went bad but uh on to my friend that i was uh texting with earlier today um you know i

I don't know if I can read. Well, anyways, she had, you know, kind of the right or left side of her face kind of blown off by a shooter or by the shooter or shooters, depending on what you think. But yeah, I could just tell by her text. She said she didn't mind if I share it. If you want me to just share that? Yeah, yeah.

Okay. So I let her know that I was going to come on this podcast and, you know, to let me know if there's anything she liked me to convey. And she said, that's amazing. She said, yeah, I can't believe it's been six and a half years or six and a half years later. And I still wake up every morning and have to deal with the repercussions of that day. And I literally just had a breakdown a couple of months ago and everything came back up.

It's just so, so many different sides of what I go through and thoughts on it. At the end of the day, for me, all I think about is I will never live life again for the rest of my life. And that fucking sucks.

And, you know, I'm sure, I mean, kudos to her for, for, you know, sharing that. And I'm sure there's, well, I know there's, there's hundreds of people that feel like that, you know, um, that, that have visible wounds and emotional wounds. And I mean, I think about it all the time. Yeah.

How does it affect you? I was just thinking, you know, to me, if I were there, you know, I would feel like I could constantly hear the screams and see the blood. And, you know, that doesn't just go away overnight, you know.

Yeah, I don't I don't really feel that. I just I just feel I get a little, I guess, just and I'm not emotionally by any means anybody would tell you that. But like, I get emotional when I think about if I wasn't here any longer, and that it definitely could have could have been me and some of my, you know, best friends and best family friends and friends together.

could have been could have been taken. So I don't really think about what I saw. I think about what what could have happened and how lucky I am to be here, because it certainly could have been me in place of one of those 58 innocent or now 60 innocent lives, you know, and that's the only that's really the only thing I think about. I don't I don't.

Now, I don't want to sit there and listen to the videos of the gunshots. I fast-forwarded through those on your guys'. I don't know if it was the first or episode or whatever, or even the last one, but I just took snippets from those previous. But yeah, I only kind of get upset when I think about that I maybe would not be here anymore, and I just feel...

you know brokenhearted for the people who aren't and their families and friends and then and then you know for the people that are having to live with very drastic injuries and and debilitating things and things that have have altered their their lives drastically and they'll never be able to function the same and then that really really hurts too you know yeah josh um

I got to ask this because I just feel like I would ask this if we were on the phone. Were you religious before this, and has that changed any of your thoughts on anything from what you experienced at age 18?

I grew up in a Christian household and I went to church for all of my childhood. And as I get older, you know, people are probably going to get upset. But like, you know, nobody's perfect. And a lot of things happen in, you know, church and stuff like that. And so while I believe maybe there is a higher power, maybe, I kind of just...

Listen, I make mistakes all the time, but I kind of just take my life as I try to do good to others and treat people the way I want to be treated and keep my life very simple. And whether it's a religion or facts from a shooting, I want to have things proven to me that are tangible. And so I kind of just keep...

a very even keel about religion and stuff like that. Um, and so I respect religion and I believe every single American and for that matter, human being can practice any religion they want. Uh, specifically here in America, I, I fully support my fellow Americans, um,

Practicing any religion, even if it's a religion I don't agree – I agree or don't agree with, you know. That's the beauty of being an American. You can do that. But I just try to keep an even keel, and even after the shootings, I kind of just – you know, no, it didn't make me more religious. It just –

I believe that I got lucky because you know what? If, if, if I go down the religious road, well then why did these innocent people die instead of me? Yeah. That may be more religious than that gets me. What's that? I said, yeah. And some of those people that died could have been way more godly and religious than you. Right.

Right. And they just got the short end of the stick. They got unlucky and I got lucky. And so if I try to conflate that with why things happen, then it just, for me personally, it just becomes a downward rolling boulder, which then there's no end because there's no answer, you know? So it didn't make me more religious. It just made me more thankful for,

And, you know, anybody who knows me knows I've always lived life to its fullest every single day for my entire life. And it just made me live it up even more. You know, I've been to over six. Good. I'm sorry. Do you feel like it's given you any kind of a mission in life that is maybe unfulfilled?

your ways or not change your way, but your change of way as far as like journeys or I mean, do you feel like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you're like, oh, my gosh, this happened. So I'm going to do this now. And yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I think once something happens like this and I can attest for a lot of people that were there, they made they made drastic decisions and changes in their life, you know, and

And they are much happier now because it kind of gives you that shock and jolt of life. And then you kind of come out the other end of it and you're like,

oh man, I, I, life is so short. It could have been taken from me that quickly. And so I, I feel like I did the same thing. Now, again, I've always lived my life up, but you know, I'm sure I travel more. Um, I just do a lot more things. I now have, you know, uh, uh, maybe mission to, you know, pursue some kind of public office at some point. Um, I want, I, you want to maybe do things differently. Yeah. And what is, what is your mark? Uh,

on this world and what are you going to do while you're here? Because kind of every day is critical. I, I'm not married and I have no kids. So I, I kind of go, well, what can I do to leave my imprint here? Um, because I know, you know, life is so short and it can, I, by the way, I also turned 40. So I'm like, I'm like, things are also like, yeah,

getting shorter and shorter with every day that goes by. But yeah, I mean, from Route 91 and other experiences that I've had in my life, like going to Haiti after earthquakes and I've been to over 60 something countries and seeing things like on Christmas night, you know, going to a local family and the kids sleeping on the concrete and not eating Christmas night. And like all of these things kind of are a culmination, but

Uh, but route 91 kind of definitely was one of the bigger jolts or maybe the biggest jolt in my life. That's like, Hey, you don't, you don't have time to fuck around, you know, like you gotta, you gotta get to it. So, um, so yeah, there, there's a lot of, a lot of things that, you know, changed after that. And, um, yeah,

you know, it definitely changed me because when I got back from Haiti and route 91, all of my employees and, and people close to me were like, you just seem like you're, you're, you're different, you know? Um,

Specifically with the Haiti thing, I was kind of a mess for like a week. Like, why do these people deserve this? And I deserve to grow up in the greatest country on the face of the planet in history, you know. But then, yeah, after this, you know, I sent lives taken and it could have been me. So let's get after it every day.

Um, and, and I, I hope that I do. I hope I do myself justice with that. Uh, but you know, yeah, I think it just changes your whole perspective on life. Yeah. And I think you make a good point. Um, I think if there's anything to take from this, that's why I'm kind of glad Sherry asked you that because, um,

Right.

And it's like you look back and once you start doing things and getting places and you're like, man, this is almost too good to be true. But you also realize you worked hard for it, right? But then also you can see people in Haiti that –

Haiti doesn't have the opportunity to work hard for anything or the Route 91 shooting victims that died. What is it? Oh, barbecue. Sorry. I was just thinking about that. Sorry. But the Route 91 shooting victims that died, I mean, they didn't have a choice to live or die that night or any of that stuff. And I think that to your point, you remind me a lot of our friend Nathan, you know,

but Nathan basically is traveling all the freaking time. Um, he is living up his life constantly. And I think you're kind of that way as well. And I think you've said that you've kind of stepped up that now. And I think I encourage everybody here is like,

you never know when you're going to be a part of a situation like route 91 or, or a car accident or anything that could happen. Um, you only have one life. And I think that, um, to that question, uh, Josh, do you still struggle? Do you have nightmares? Do you have any of that stuff that like kind of, uh, PTSD from that? No, not, not really. Uh,

We'll see what happens after this. But no, not really. I don't really struggle with anything. I'm just more just thankful, happy to be here, you know, and thrilled that I got out with my life and my friends and family friends and loved ones got out with theirs.

Um, but you know, yeah, uh, life is just so short things. I almost, I also almost died in Honduras one time. Um, so, uh, yeah, these things happen and, uh, and yeah, they just kind of, kind of,

set off a tone in your brain that kind of gets you, uh, get your motor, at least for me personally, like gets your motor going and, and makes you, uh, makes you just appreciate being here, you know, whether you, and this is, this is irregardless of what you have. You know, I was just talking to my sister earlier in the office and my sister works for me and runs my office. And, you know, it's like some of the wealthiest people,

people I know are more miserable than maybe some of the kids that I saw in Haiti. You know what I mean? So it's like, everything's relative and, and it's great to be successful and I've done okay for myself, you know, but really like at this point in my life, it's, and especially after route 91 and all these things that have happened to me, it's like, it's about experiences, you know? Um,

You have to experience as many things as you can while you're here. And don't get me wrong. I've had some just wild, incredible experiences in my life, but you know, I've worked really hard to get where I'm at. And, and I, I,

I love that I did that when I was younger. Um, and I can kind of ramp things up a little bit. Like I just got back from Egypt, uh, and I, and, um, and Portugal. And then in a couple of weeks, I'm taking my dad to Norway and Sweden and Denmark. And so like,

Like, yeah, it's just things definitely, you know, ramp up specifically after events that kind of give you that shock. Yeah, for sure. And I just want everybody to know, especially, you know, if you share this with survivors or whatever of the Route 91 shooting, the reason we're doing this episode or this series is because we have learned over the past seven or eight years that there are things that most mainstream –

Well, 90% of mainstream media does not report on. There's a lot of anomalies. There's a lot of things that most people don't understand what actually happened, even though we don't fully understand what actually happened. But we do know that there are people's lives affected, just like COVID-19 and just like the pandemic and a lot of questions surrounding that. We heavily covered that because we did not believe the narrative on a lot of that stuff. Yeah.

And we don't believe everything about this shooting. And we just know that this is the largest mass shooting with 60 people dead. In America. Over 800 injured. People deserve real answers, real things, real experiences. And so we're just trying to get out every possibility, let people get their own minds. We don't know what happened either, but we just want...

We want the victim's lives to mean something. We want to get to the bottom. It's just like if your daughter got killed by a murderer or by someone that killed her, you want answers. You want justice. And it's like these people are going to get justice. Right.

Yeah, and I appreciate you saying that. I mean, you know, all of us Route 91ers, we have like an unbreakable kind of bond, you know? And it's just, it's actually something incredible. Like I was at a concert on Friday night and, you know, a group of gals came up to me and I'm like, hey, guys, it's so great to see you. It's been so long. They were at Route 91 and they ended up telling one of my friends I was with, like, you know, they felt like,

Like maybe, you know, me and my buddies had something to do with them being here because if they weren't hanging out with us that night, they may have been there towards the center of the stage, you know? And so like me and everybody that was at Roon 81, we all have this experience that, you know, we kind of bonded on over the years, right?

And it's really kind of, it's really special, you know? And, you know, first and foremost, it's like, I'm, I'm an American number one, like I'm a Patriot. I love my fellow Americans. I love this country. I love my route 91ers. And, and I just want,

I want the truth for them. Now, will I get that? Will we get that or not? Probably not ever, you know, but that's why I wanted to come on here and say, you know, Hey, this is what I think, you know, I don't believe, uh,

everything that's... I really don't believe anything that's fed to me anymore. So it's like... I've always wanted to do something like this about Rune Anyone, but there was never really an outlet. I can't just jump on Joe Rogan. I just can't. So it's kind of like...

I saw you guys doing this. I mean, I've been listening to your podcast for maybe three, four months and a lot of it resonates with me because you guys kind of just question everything and then put all of the options out there. And I think that's fantastic. And then I was in bed one night

I don't know. Maybe it was like, when was the first episode a week ago? And I was in bed and I saw route 91 part one and I'm like, no shit. They're going to do a route 91. And so I think I listened to that first one. And then, and then, you know, we got in touch and,

Yeah, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. You know, some Re-91ers may not agree with my theory or what I think, and that's totally okay. A family friend that's like a mom to me, you know, she disagrees, and that's totally fine, you know? I just...

I just, uh, I know government very well. And I know things like I was one of the crazy people one week after COVID going, this is bullshit. Like, you know, and then I was one of the, one of the people, one of the people begging my everybody not to get vaccinated. You know, I know big pharma really well. I know, I know I've seen so much and I just really paid close attention over the years. Um, and so like, I just, I always had a thing for route 91 where I'm like, there's no, yeah,

F in a way, you know what I mean? Right. And so I, I, I, first and foremost for my room and I want them to at some point know the truth, but they may not get it. And as well, they're just fellow Americans then. And we deserve more truth nowadays that we're not getting. And in fact, we're getting, uh,

opposites of the truth. And it's, it's, it's just, it's really just disgusting what's being said to, to myself and my fellow Americans. And, and some has to give at some point. And I just, I hate seeing our country go down, go down this route, you know? So first and foremost for my, for my root and I knew a fellow root and I knew owners. I love them. I love you guys. If you're listening, any of you are listening to this and, and yeah, we just, as Americans, we deserve better.

Um, but as a, as a bigger picture, I feel like, I feel like a lot of Americans because we know and think that we live well, we know that we live in the greatest country on earth that maybe some of us don't pay as much attention because we don't think that things can happen here that are actually happening. Right. And I think, I think every American would be wise to just kind of start catching up on things and looking, um,

looking at things, especially the way things have gone. Yeah. Look, just look a little bit deeper and listen, if everybody's wrong and they're fine, you know, at least you did your, a little bit of due diligence. And I mean, but ever since COVID, I mean, it's kind of like obvious, you know, like you got to question everything at this point. So they played their cards with COVID that's for sure. But I want to ask you, right, right. Your fellow

Route 91ers, is there a place where they can get in contact with other people? Do you guys have a Facebook group or an Instagram group? Yeah, there's a Survivors page out there on Facebook.

Um, and then, uh, there are certain events that come up, but over the years, it's kind of, I believe it's kind of tapered off. So, so more often than not, um, you see, you, we see each other at concerts, you know, uh,

Um, and so, you know, I know, I know a lot of people are still, you know, struggling, um, to this day as, as my friend, you know, that I reached out to earlier, she deals with it on a daily basis. And so actually that kind of, uh, parlays into, into my next point is that myself and my two buddies, we raised a chunk of money, uh, after the shootings, uh, and, and

I was going to some of the radio guys and stuff like that, like, who could we give this to and whatnot? And I kind of never found the right person or people. And so I'd like to let everybody know that me and my buddies, we have a $5,000 fund that we would love to donate to us up.

that is still dealing with some of the traumas for anyone, or if we can divvy it up between a couple of survivors, obviously there would, there would have to be, there would have to be some vetting that goes on. I'd have to make sure, you know, but, but I've been kind of holding onto that and to find a good, good spot. So,

Um, if you guys are okay with me, you know, announcing that, yeah, we have a $5,000 fund and you know what, if anybody else wants to contribute to that fund so we can make even more of a difference, my Instagram is at pony boy USA. That's probably a whole nother episode as to why my Instagram is that.

If anybody wants to, if, if anybody wants to reach out with a donation, I can be fully transparent about it. And I would love to maybe in the next week or two, uh, divvy those funds out. And if we can, I'll,

even contribute a little more to it. And, uh, we can kind of, kind of circle the wagons on anybody that wants to contribute, or I can find, even if somebody doesn't want to, you know, give the money to me to then divvy out, I can, I can provide access to the certain survivors that still need it and they can give it directly how, how, whatever works best for everybody. But, but yeah, we have, we have a $5,000 fund that we'd like to contribute to some survivors. So if you, if anybody would like to DM me, um, then that would, that would,

that would work and I'll, I'll have all myself and, and my sister and friends kind of go through them. And, and we'd like to make something happen for, for somebody that's still, still going through things, you know? Absolutely, Josh. And, and we'll make sure to, as well to, we'll post on our ex investigators podcast. We also have a new platform that's going to be released in a few days, which we'll announce soon, but yeah, we'll definitely post on our social medias. We,

And it's at Ponyboy? Ponyboy. P as in Peter? Yeah, at P as in Peter, O-N-Y, just like it's out there, PonyboyUSA. Got it. I am 40 now, but it's like it's kind of past the point of return. I can't change it now, you know?

I grew up sharing. I grew up. Yeah, man. I love it. I love your name. That's great. So, Josh, I'm so glad you're alive, by the way. I'm glad you're alive. Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. It means so much to us. And I'm sure all the listeners out there as well. Yeah, by the way, I just want to let everybody know our first three episodes, our first. OK, so our number one and number two are well over a million downloads already. We got a third episode, which was released last night over five hundred thousand downloads.

And I'm hoping just as many listen to this episode as well. Anything you guys can do to help any of those victims that were involved, please do. And if you guys, again, want to donate, go to Ponyboy. Ponyboy. Yeah.

I'm going to get a lot of flack for that one. Yeah. So that's, that's fine. Hey, you know, I'll, I'll take, I'll take all the arrows I need to take and all the flack I need to get to, to, you know, help some fellow route 91ers and Americans and, you know, so I'd love to, you know, what we need to do though. Um, when there is an, the next music festival, let us know like what you're going to, we'll, we'll join you, we'll join you and, um, and kind of document it. And I'm sure people are going to this episode for sure.

Yeah, we can announce it now, actually, if you'd like. The next one I will be at will be Coastal Country Jam in Long Beach. I believe it's like the week before my birthday. I did my 40th birthday at it last year and going back again. In fact, hey, full circle moment. Jason Aldean's one of the Sunday Night Headliner. Oh, goodness. Wow. Have you ever been to Carolina Country Music Festival in Myrtle Beach? Have you ever been to that one?

No, I have not, but it sounds like I'm going now. Yeah, I think it's happening in June or July this year, but it's huge. I usually have the biggest headliners. It's one of the biggest music festivals around. Yeah. I think Morgan Wallen headlined last year. Was it Morgan? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I would love to get out there to it. Yeah, I've been to Tortuga out there in Fort Lauderdale. But yeah, we'd love to get out there. In fact, I'm supposed to... Oh, no, that's Kentucky. But yeah, so you guys just let me know the dates. And yeah, if it's in July, that would be great. But if it's in June, let me know and I'll see if I can just...

I tail it out there, even if it's just for a Friday to Sunday. Now, this next concert you're going to is your birthday month. So when is your birthday? Yeah, my birthday is September 12th. Okay. So let me see if I can just pull up the Coastal Country. Let me just tell everybody. Here we go, line up. So it is...

I'm pulling up Carolina country music fest to see when that is. Yeah. So, so it's Thomas Rhett, old dominion, John party. And then yeah, Jason Aldean is the Sunday night headliner. So, uh, and there's, I don't want to scare anybody, but there is, we're staying in like a high rise hotel right next to the venue and stuff. So, but rest assured, rest assured since, uh,

since Route 91 happened, now when you go to festivals that have buildings, they have snipers on the top. I don't know if you guys know this, but now it's very well protected at any country music festival and I'm sure other festivals as well. When I was at Tortuga, you look up from the beach and there are snipers on the roof and stuff. They're not everybody's... I mean, anything can happen anytime, but they do a great job

Oh, sorry. Sorry, Josh. You lagged for a second. June 6th through the 9th is the Carolina Country Music Festival.

I feel like you've got to be here because here's the lineup. Morgan Wallen, Carrie Underwood, Old Dominion, Parker McCollum, Lady A, Lee Bryce, Oliver Anthony, Morgan Maroney or Megan Maroney, Naismith, Parmalee, Cameron Marlowe, Larry Fleet, Diamond Rio, Old 60, Colt Ford, Haley Witters, The Warren Treaty, George Burge. I mean, there's so many of them, man. And it's June 6th through 9th.

Okay. Well, I will say this. I will be flying back from the French Riviera on the 5th, but I am supposed to go to San Francisco for a huge political event. But if that doesn't end up happening, then maybe I can hightail from the French Riviera down to South Carolina and then come home after that. I'll be wiped out after that. Well, let us know because if you can do that, we will document the whole thing. Yeah, but if not,

We'll do it the next time because it sounds like you're very. OK. OK. Yeah. Let me let me let me see if I can confirm or not confirm that that event that I potentially need to come back for. And then I'll reach out to you guys for sure. Sounds good. Well, Josh, listen, man, thank you so very much for coming on. I'm glad you're alive. I'm glad your friends are alive. Unfortunately, some of your friends obviously had some life altering.

injuries. And we're just very appreciative that you reached out and you're on here. And obviously we pray and best well wishes for anyone that was involved in this entire tragedy. We do this because we want the answers. We want the truth, especially because look, there are people that have lost lives and their family members that do not have people no more. And even to your account earlier when your sister called you and that

emotional conversation and even you getting emotional about it. Right. Yeah. That affects people's lives forever. And so I think everyone always deserves to know the truth and transparency. And I think that, you know, even more so today in 2024, we just do not have the truth. We have the opposite of that in most cases. Yeah.

And I'm so glad you were able to come on and kind of highlight your experience. And man, we're so appreciative. And by the way, Josh. And we gained a friend. Yeah. And by the way, Josh, we want you to probably come back on for something in the future. Absolutely. We'll definitely connect for sure.

Oh, there's plenty of material for sure. And, uh, and you know, thank you to you guys. Obviously you guys do a great job and you guys are on your way up and I love seeing that for you, but thank you to you guys for, for bringing this subject up and bringing your 91 up. It means a lot to me.

So thank you. And I'm sure it's going to mean a lot to, you know, other Route 91 survivors and just Americans in general. They need to know. And, you know, to all my Route 91ers, those who've been injured that were there, deal with visible, non-visible, and those who've passed and their families, I love you guys. And, yeah.

And I just, you know, everybody thinks about everybody all the time. And so they have not been forgotten, you know? Absolutely. Well, Josh, we're going to lead this episode out with I Still Have My Friends by Loving Caliber. Josh, thank you so much. Oh, nice. We love you guys. Until next time. Peace out. Okay. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Josh. And peace out, guys. Thank you. You're a bad choice.

That I made five years ago at some party in New York Are you texting me to tell me that I'm shit? Why are you still going on about things I never did? Maybe you can't see that I'm hard to hold I know I'm a basket case you think should be alone But I still have my friends, don't want All I need is them, don't want you I can barely sleep 'cause of you

But I still have my friends, don't want You're a nightmare Reminding me of who I am I feel scared sometimes Would you leave me be? I know I'm a mess but I don't need you to tell me I can't change the things that happen I know my head's not right But please stay with me someday It's good enough for you

But I still have my friends don't want you

All I need is them, so you. I need it now cause I'm a friend. But I still have my friends, don't want you.