MH370, Plasma Orbs, and Ancient Power: Has Lost Technology Returned?
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Hello and welcome back to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're diving back into one of the most bizarre and mind-bending disappearances of our time. We're talking about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, but not only are we talking about MH370, we're talking about ancient power and free energy. And with us once again is Ashton Forbes, who's been one of the leading voices in the

in the search for truth behind this mystery. He's been relentless connecting dots between military tech, cloaked plasma orbs, and the unsettling possibility that what happened to MH370 wasn't just a tragic accident, but an act involving technology that most of the world doesn't even believe exist.

But here's where it gets even more interesting. For the past few months on this show, we have been uncovering the fingerprints of lost civilizations, ancient knowledge, and energy systems that rival or surpass our current understanding. We've talked about pyramids and what could have been the power stations, megaliths aligned with the stars and advanced knowledge buried or hidden from public view. And what if, just what if, the tech that may have taken MH370 isn't modern at all? What if it's ancient, repurposed, re-engineered, and now weaponized?

guys welcome to investigators podcast it is april the 14th 2025 and i started getting very nervous because we thought that uh tax day was tomorrow but they've actually extended domain first and so we were freaking out just a little bit but we're good at least for another couple weeks i want to go ahead and bring on ashton forbes back onto the show ashton how's it been going man

Hey, Chad and Sherry, how's it going? Is that tax day information true or is that a... It's true. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, because we haven't even started ours. Oh, God. Yeah, we're freaking out. Yeah, no comment. No comment on that. But I am happy to be here today with you guys. And I'm very excited to talk about all things Malaysian Airlines and about free energy and the idea of ancient civilizations...

potentially having this kind of technology or some variant of, you know, what you consider advanced technology. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, not a problem, man. Well, obviously, you've been on the show probably four or five times, and we always usually go into MH370, which I do want to get a brief update on that in just a moment. But, you know, over the past two or three months where we've had a lot of news break and we had the news break about the scans underneath the pyramids and

We still do not know fully exactly what that's all about. Hopefully we will get more scans and more updated information as the months go on. But we also have talked about Tartaria. We've talked about Nikola Tesla in depth. And obviously, over all these interviews, I couldn't help but think,

what does Ashton think about some of this ancient technology? The more we dug, the more just kind of, there were so many terms that were brought up that you use on a regular basis. We're constantly bringing up Ashton Forbes on our podcast because it has to do with what you talk about all the time. Yeah.

Absolutely. And so I definitely want to get into stuff like the ether. I want to get into free energy. I want to get into maybe even a little bit of ley lines. I don't know how much you know about that, but there are some kind of interesting concepts with the ley line aspect of that. But go ahead and at least tell us what you've been up to lately. It's probably been months since we've had you on the show. How is the investigation or just the discussion around MH370 been going?

Yeah. So for me personally, you know, I've mostly been focusing on the science and trying to make myself smarter. It seems like an ambitious goal to try to get to a point where you can understand quantum physics, quantum mechanics, and these ideas like, you know, Einstein, Rosen bridges, you know, traversal wormholes, etc.,

And so I've been doing my best to understand that and plasmas and their interactions and what this all stuff, all this stuff means. I've been talking to people like U S Navy engineer, Salvatore Pais, uh, spoke with Avi Loeb actually as well from Harvard university. So I've been able to speak to some really prestigious people about some of these ideas related to the physics and,

And with respect to the missing airliner MH370, they actually just completed another, they're calling it a survey of the South Indian Ocean along the seventh arc. Presumably they found nothing because they didn't announce anything.

And they're actually claiming that they're potentially going to go back. But there's been so much back and forth about are they searching, not searching, that you really can't trust anything they say until they actually just like do something. One of the last other interesting updates that's happening right now down in the South Indian Ocean is that there's another Chinese vessel actually right now in one of the areas where one of the other investigators claimed that the plane's like hidden in some hole in this exact spot in the ocean.

So, you know, as I pointed out, you guys know kind of my theories that are out there related to videos that are there. You know, they're not going to find anything down there and they continue to not find anything. Yeah. The major update real quick in the MH370 case of the actual the videos and what have you is that.

Definitely since the last time we spoke, we found Edward C. Lynn, who's the guy that I've been saying leaked the videos. Found him in this crazy way, too, where somebody said, hey, Ashton, you need to check out this video. I found a video on YouTube of Edward Lynn, like recent one. And I did not believe them at all. And then I clicked the link and I look and there he is staring at me in a YouTube video saying,

And you would think like, OK, no, maybe he just looks like him or whatever. But then there he is under a new name showing a picture that all the media used in the case against him that I recognize immediately. And I'm going, what the hell is going on? And it turns out, long story short, that he's been ghosting me.

Like he has to know about me. I made some of his posts go viral on his new Twitter account under his new name. And so the situation must be where he changed his or he we checked the records for when he changed his name or I did specifically.

And it turns out he changed them in December of 2023 at the very end of the year, beginning of 2024, end of 2023. That's interesting. This is like two months after I started naming him publicly in the podcast, saying that this is the guy that leaked the videos. I figured out what this guy went to prison for. He's the guy. So if he wasn't the guy, one of the things that we would talk about, we were doing podcasts during that time period, right? And we would talk about like,

you know, is he, is he going to come out as a whistleblower? And if he's not the guy, he should just reach out to me and be like, I'm not the guy. Yeah. You know, that never happened to this day. In fact, I've been reaching out to him, his lawyer. I found his new place of work. I'm not going to say it on here. I don't want people doxing him or whatever, but no, nobody returned my phone calls, found out his sister. Her name is Jenny Lynn Naylor.

She's married to Sean Naylor. This guy's a legendary spook. And they got married like right when the case would have been going on, where Edward Lynn would have been in pretrial detainment. And they're married. And she's a lawyer at Homeland Security, specifically specializing in countering weapons of mass destruction. Oh, my gosh. And this is sister.

Yeah. One last thing I want to point out, because this is these are all the major updates. You can ask me for any clarification, because this is just this stuff is like blowing my mind. Because then we also saw Sean Naylor on the Danny Jones podcast. Wait, what? Edward Lynn's brother in law is on the Danny Jones podcast, specifically explaining to Danny Jones.

How the CIA and the president gets legal justification for extrajudicial executions. Basically, how do we get legal justification for just blowing people up? I'm going, wow. Yeah, no joke. What a coincidence, right? So then the last thing is that somebody got in touch with Larry Younger, Edward Lynn's lawyer from back in the day, 10 years ago or whatever. And...

Nobody believed him. I didn't believe him. Reached out to me, random person on Twitter. And then they send me the voicemail. It's a voicemail of Larry Younger on a Friday saying his name, his phone number, saying, I'm the guy I'm trying to reach back out to the person who's trying to get in touch with me. You know, I hear that you have some questions about the Edward Lynn case.

And then the same day they released that voicemail, they sent me the version that was unedited with the cell phone number. And the first thing I did was confirm that's Larry Younger's phone number, which it is beyond any doubt. Then they posted the edited version on the internet. And they said along with that, I just got done talking to him. So this would have been Saturday, the day after that voicemail. And they said that he knew exactly what they were talking about when they were talking about satellite video.

And he said that the feds brought satellite video into the case. Wow. Against Lynn. Yeah, against Lynn. And so I, of course, immediately tried to get in touch with him to confirm this information. And to this day, I've left about three or four voicemails over the last couple months, few months, and have gotten no calls back from him. They've all gone completely dark. I've also tried to reach out to the sister. I've also tried to reach out multiple times to Sean Naylor.

Ask him specifically if he knows the reason why Edward Lynn, his brother-in-law, was in prison. So at this point, like, we've got him up against the wall. Wow. I mean, this guy's the guy. These people probably all know. And they have to avoid me because even if they were to try to lie, I know the right questions to point out. Like, hey, where was Edward Lynn on March 7th, 2014? Right.

Because he was almost certainly in a spy plane staring at those videos on a computer screen. So he's got to have a cover story for where he was that night. He's got to explain why he went to prison for six years and why the government, why it triggered a national security alert at the highest levels ever.

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By the way, to me implies that he's on the side of the people covering this up now. Or maybe he's afraid of being killed if you were to say something about it. I don't know. But he talked fondly about his Navy stuff. It's like, wait, aren't you the guy that went to prison for six years for supposedly leaking something that triggered a national security alert to the highest levels? And now you're just talking about like it never happened. Yeah. What was his YouTube video about, by the way? And was it on his channel or and we're talking specifically about the new video.

So he started a, I don't know the exact name of it, like a residential living facility for veterans that need extended care, I think would be the way to explain it. And it makes sense because he himself was a military service member. So he's using his connections here. He set up this business.

He uses the connections to help probably get work because he's probably getting a lot of people from the VA, for example. And his whole video was kind of like appealing to that audience about, I still helped out the master chief when he needed help. And everybody knows that the master chief is the guy that lifelong connection to them and what have you, right? So he's like, the whole video is like promoting and appealing up this side of...

how he was a Navy person and everything related to it. But now he just has this new name. Wow. And when I spoke to him and I called the company, they all knew him. The people I was talking to on the phone, they weren't random people in India. They knew him as Edward Lin. Not his new name. So I said...

hey, can I speak to Edward Soraya, which is his new name? And they go, do you mean Edward Lin? And I'm going, well, that's weird because that means that he, they all know him by his, his old name. So why would he change his name? It's not out of like him being shamed out of it, right? It must be because some guys on the internet saying this guy leaked these huge videos that are like the biggest, you know, national security threat ever, secret ever.

Now, has anyone went, I'm just curious, and I don't recommend anybody doing this, by the way, but has anyone went on that YouTube video and said anything on that video? Anyone? How about like hundreds of comments? Like the one, the videos had like tens of thousands of views. And there's people, there's like now just on the whole page, like every time somebody posts it saying,

honestly the comments were inspirational like you're a hero like thank you for being doing what you did like i i want to know like i'm so curious to know what's going on in his mind i set him up to be a hero to come out as a hero whistleblower like you leak the most important videos ever all he has to do is come out and say yes i leaked those videos get the ufo community to treat him like a

They treat Lula Zondo or one of these other people, right? Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and I think that's the problem, too, is, you know, with with information like potentially he has, according to kind of your investigation. You know, I don't think there is any whistleblower protection for that. Likely, I would think that you or someone like Edward Lynn, you if you were involved in this in any way, shape or form, I'm sure you're under very, very strict orders as far as what you can cannot say. And then it's just so strange.

Go into his brother-in-law. How do you get to that he potentially is like a CIA guy or a spook?

Yeah, and some people who are listening probably already know Sean Naylor. But one other thing I want to point out is the more I've researched this, I've learned a lot about a lot of different things. And I think it's important to really understand the framework in which these people live. One of the things I've learned about special operators, people like Edward Lin and the VPU2 Wizards, this is like a take your badge off when you go overseas for your black operations kind of squadron. Like he was there that night when they pulled this operation. That's the kind of situation with this.

These guys are a brotherhood. It's like many people are going to point out. It's a miracle. Edward Lynn's alive. It's actually a miracle. He's alive. People that do this, you have an accident. Like you're let's, Oh, I have a good example. People that do stuff like this, your cyber truck blows up in front of Trump tower in Las Vegas. Right? Like that's, you guys get my point. That's what kind of stuff happens with people like this. Yeah. Right. And so the question is, why did that not happen?

why did they not just take him out or trump up some charge and try to throw him in prison for much longer? And you could argue, well, they did throw him in prison for a long time, so they didn't really give him a sweetheart deal. People with the charges that he ended up pleading to usually only get a slap on the wrist a few months, maybe a year. He got nine years. And the judge specifically said and had people come and testify as to what he did, why it was so serious, because they didn't have any actual evidence they could show.

And they were terrified. The military was terrified. The reason why they wanted a plea deal was that they were going to have to show the evidence in court and or Lynn was just going to blur it out. Imagine him going into a trial, any of the hearings and just screaming out, I'm the guy that leaked the videos on the Internet. Go find them. There's two videos, blah, blah, blah. You could just name them, you know, satellite video, airliner and UFOs, thermal video, whatever. Regicide or not. What if he just yelled out any of that stuff? Right.

People would just figure out right away what he's talking to. And the whole situation would have gone crazy. But he didn't do any of that either. And I had already suspected long before all this that he had taken a deal and that he had been brainwashed, coerced, however you want to think of it, to basically be on the side of, I'm never going to speak about what I did. I made a huge mistake. And maybe, too, it was indirect. So I kind of realized we weren't going to get Lin to come forward. Yeah.

I tried to reach the lawyer. I was not successful, unlike the random other Twitter person. Now, after I got the lawyer's direct phone number, of course, I left a few voicemail messages, etc. Still never talked to him. I found Lynn's sister because I was digging around and some people had sent me some background information on some of his family members that I'd have in a file somewhere.

And so I started deciding, like, dig around to the sister. And I find out one of those screenshots that had some of the information about potential people who could be related to him, that one of them was a lawyer. And I went, oh, wait, I can look up her law license number and the state.

And sure enough, I found evidence that her name wasn't actually Jenny Lin. And this is why it was so hard to find information about her. Her name was actually Jenny Lin Naylor. And sure enough, it was very easy to find out this is the exact same person. I think it was like an address that linked back to her parents' place. That was the same one that was used in Edward Lin, which proved that that was actually his real sister. No question, no doubt. And then once I found out Jenny Lin Naylor...

You just start Googling generally and there you actually find, they may have pulled it down if they're smart by now, but you can find the wedding thing about the congratulations to them for meeting and how they met in like 2015, which would imply that it was like when Edward Lin was literally locked up in pretrial detainment is when they met. And then the real mind blowing thing, which just really was crazy, which was then after figuring this out,

seen Sean Naylor on Danny Jones. And this was like, you know, a little less than a year ago at this point, nine months ago or something. He was on Danny Jones. Oh, God.

And I'm going, what? When the guy that I didn't even know who he was, nothing. I still don't really know who he is other than I go to his profile on Substack, which is where I connected to him. And he doesn't have a lot of followers. So he's definitely seeing my direct messages where I asked him like, hey, what can you tell me about your brother-in-law, man?

It says, Sean has been reporting on national security for more than three decades, including 23 years at Army Times, stints at foreign policy at Yahoo News, and contract and freelance work for the New York Times, NBC News, Newsweek, and Intelligence. So all very trustworthy organizations. Those are all my primary sources of information that I go to.

Yeah. And I'm going, whoa. And then his sister, too, finding out that not only is she just a lawyer, but she's a lawyer for Homeland Security. I took all the screenshots of her LinkedIn profile before she wiped it. I don't even know if it's still up right now, but I've got everything. And I archived it all as well, just in case.

I couldn't believe what I was reading. Which, by the way, that might be why he's still alive, to answer your question. Yes. So these are the reasons why he's still alive. Because he's connected, his family is connected, and they're all playing ball with the government. In fact, their primary job, his sister's primary job is preventing nuclear explosions. And she's got a paper out there that you guys should read that's all about, we have to prepare for the next explosion.

of technology beyond nuclear weapons. Oh my God. Have destructive power more than that. And I'm going, this sounds like what I'm saying. This sounds like what we're talking about on this podcast right now. And it sounds like what Trump continually says every chance he gets.

I mean, I can't even tell you. Well, actually, I think it was your post, Ashton, that you had said something that says if any country thinks that they would beat the United States in a war, like you're sadly mistaken. And that's almost like without doubt, 100 percent certainty. And do you think maybe that's why, you know, even with Biden and Harrison, the administration, as long as they were, you know, likely other countries probably know the same thing and say, hey, you know what? I know this dude can't remember his name, but

but also we have to understand the technology they have. And I'm sure that China and other countries maybe have this technology. And that kind of leads me to this zero point or resonance energy question that

is that obviously there are many theories about the pyramids or I guess the megalith structures maybe be in power stations tapping into Earth's natural frequencies. Now, could these orbs that we see in these videos or the mechanism, however you want to describe what maybe took MH370, be

be using a similar form of energy. And I want you to kind of explain this in a way like zero point energy scaler or even resonance based technology. And as, as I said, we've been digging into this ancient potential for technology. They may be utilized thousands of years ago. Could they have had the same power or technology that maybe we have today that is now lost or now read, refound or rediscovered? Yeah, that's a great question. And, um,

Let me start by saying I love the Trump thing and the Trump quote. And I'm not joking about that. When I say nobody has any chance against us, I mean that like no chance whatsoever. Even if they figured out some of this technology, there's so far beyond behind where we're at. I imagine the first thing the government did when the videos leaked on the Internet was figure out how we make a countermeasure for our own thing. Right. Because people are going to start to have it soon.

So even if they had this crazy tech and we're talking about teleportation tech, that is just you know, that's like the stuff where Trump's like, yeah. So we have stuff that nobody understands. So they're not going to do anything. We have someone like that with that level of confidence. We have the best orbs, the best orbs anybody's ever seen. But how do you know that? But real quick, Ashton, how do you know nobody else has this technology except for us?

It's not that other people don't have it. I actually imagine that part of the reason why I haven't had like a formal talking to where people knock on the door is because they know that other people, the cat's out of the bag. Other people know it. They know that other countries are working on it at a minimum.

But one of the things that I pointed out with the MH370 videos is even if those videos really are teleportation, that's not the ceiling to the technology. That's still in its infancy. And so this is why I say... I'm actually not saying that we're the only ones with it. I'm just saying that whoever's got the most advanced version of that, they're just unstoppable compared to anyone else. And that's what we've got at this point. And I also just... I don't think...

The other countries have quite figured it out. This is obviously me just purely speculating based on my own intuition. I think they're probably working on the plasma balls and stuff like that. But taking it to the next level where they're spinning in this perfect triangle formation, this requires perfect control over what they call magnetohydrodynamics, which for the people out there that aren't big into physics...

Basically, using magnetism to perfectly control plasma within a confined region, like a sphere. To have that level of control probably takes advanced AI as a prerequisite. Because it's got to be able to determine, like, hey, I have some instability in the plasma here. I've got to correct for that on the fly.

And there, if you dig into it, you'll find that like, oh, well, you can make the magnetic field stronger and it prevents some of that. But like, it's got to have some kind of input output thing going on with these orbs. So I do think there is some level of material science requirement in order to actually take this technology and make it go to the next level. Now, this is a great segue to the pyramid question. Yeah.

Because you could say, well, the ancients didn't necessarily have the material science that we have right now. But they can understand aspects of the universe that we don't necessarily fully understand right now. For example, say, the particle wave duality of light, the double slit experiment. What if they understood that a little bit more, which meant that they understood gravity and the source of gravity differently?

where we don't necessarily understand it. They could use stuff like, for example, acoustic levitation, where we see now things that look like antigravity and we know it's acoustic levitation. With respect to the pyramids, the big theory that's out there that I'm generally a proponent of is that it's a power plant that the pyramid was using piezoelectricity, piezoelectric effect.

The idea that like you can squeeze quartz, for example, and produce electricity because you change like the lattice structure, the highways of the atoms in the structure of the crystal. And so people, I believe the theory is that they had, I think it's quartz or limestone, is it covered over the top of the pyramid? And that this could create a resonant piezoelectric effect.

that would focus at the top of the pyramid due to the shape of the pyramid of the perfect pyramid shape that it has. And that it's also above an aquifer. Yeah. Which I forget the exact...

concept, but I believe they fill the cavities of the pyramid with gas and it could cause some type of ionization, which then people are saying maybe there will be like a plasma effect that you might see if you were looking at it when the pyramid was like essentially turned on. Yeah. And then also final as a final thought, then it connects back to Tesla where people say, okay, well now you've got this pyramid that's generating electricity, but were there wires or potentially did they understand this concept of like,

electrifying space time and potentially having abilities to transmit electricity over long distances without wires, you know, wireless electricity. Yeah.

No, I 100% agree with that. And, you know, that's when we when you go back and kind of think about Nikola Tesla and the Pisa electric stuff where they utilize the cavities of tower, Wardenclyffe towers. There are all these things that even when we went back in Tartaria, if you look at some of these very, very old structures around the world that potentially are much older than we even know, because a lot of these old structures, as we talked about in Tartaria episode, we don't know who the builders are of these structures, including our U.S. capital.

And it's also very interesting that a lot of these structures have what appears to be either copper like domes or top pieces, but they also have some type of antenna at the top. You know, it's almost like you would see a cell phone tower or whatever. Also very similar to the Wardenclyffe Towers.

Warden Cliff Towers, I think Nikola Tesla heavily studied the pyramids. There was a lot of the stuff that he actually brought into his research that he put into his Warden Cliff Towers, including going, I think, 100 to 300 feet down below the surface where he would very similar to the Pisa Electric idea. I think that's what he was tapping into. He believed very heavily in kind of what the ancient Egyptians or whoever built the damn pyramids. We don't know.

But also you were talking about the caps of the pyramids. You know, these caps are no longer there today. They used to be, I guess, utilized. What is the theory on that, what they were? I think it was the capstone material, gold or electrum. So there are a lot of theorists that believe that the top of the Great Pyramid once had a capstone made of gold or electrum, a naturally occurring alloy like gold or silver. These materials are excellent conductors of electricity and were considered sacred by ancients.

but also the high conductivity leads to the theory that it was part of an electromagnetic system potentially used to focus or discharge energy, obviously from that lower structure of the Pisa electric system. Obviously Nikola Tesla researchers like Christopher Dunn suggested that the pyramid function like a gigantic resonator or harmonic generator,

drawing energy from the Earth's natural frequencies. And Tesla had similar visions, obviously, with the Wardenclyffe Tower. He was harvesting energy from the Earth and transmitted it wirelessly using high frequency resonance. So let me ask you this. Do you have to have something like that to create these orbs that you may have saw that abducted MH370?

This reminded me of actually something else. So you hit a lot of big points there, and I think you're going to have some follow-ups on what I'm about to say. So the first thing I want to say is related to the orbs. They're not white hot in the videos. Now, piecing together a couple years worth of research now, talking to people like Salvatore Pais, U.S. Navy engineer, he's

They are non-equilibrium plasma, cold plasma, which means that there is a plus and a minus electric charges that are separated that acts like a battery and that they are not...

thermal plasma. So where's the energy coming from? If you actually feed Sal's patents and papers into an AI of your choosing and ask it about these questions, you will find that what Sal's saying is that there is a vibrational energy that can overtake the thermal energy. And if this happens, then you can have this non-radiative energy

of energy, meaning that there is potentially not this thermal release. And what he's saying here is that there is the zero point field, the ether, the energy field is what we're tapping into because this energy field all around us is vibrating all the time. It's vibrating, oscillating all the time. So this is where this idea of oscillation and why Tesla would say,

Think of the universe and energy, frequency and vibration. Yeah. You say, look at everything as waves and realize that if everything is waves, the way to interact to couple is to also try to get harmonic with that wave. Just like you are when you're singing, you know, when you hear a beautiful song or people singing together in tune versus singing out of tune, you know, same kind of concept, but,

So that could be the idea of where the energy is coming from while getting past this idea of, oh, well, this thing's going to heat up to the degree where it's going to melt. And this also then ties back to fusion research, for example, where in fusion we have this stuck idea where we think we have to make the plasma really hot. That's the way to do it. But when we look at stars and we say, how are stars doing fusion?

But the heat is a byproduct of the process. The heat is because they're being pressed together because of the gravity. So the gravity is what's pulling it off. Yeah. Now, one last thought I was going to say on this is that Tesla thought the Earth to be just a giant capacitor. So this would mean that you could think of it like a battery that's like fully drained.

But if you understand quantum mechanics, you realize that nothing's really stopped. So the battery is never really fully drained. So Tesla then would just say, well, okay, there must be some way to tap in to this energy of the earth. And I think that's what he was trying to do with his Wardenclyffe Tower. Yeah. Because he realized there's energy all around us everywhere. One final fun fact. I think it was in 1891 during one of Tesla's lectures. 1891.

Tesla said, there's energy everywhere. Look out into the outer space and you'll see energy everywhere. Everywhere is movement. Everywhere is energy. And he believed that some future humans would actually be able to draw energy directly from the vacuum of space, directly from space. It really makes you wonder. That's before quantum mechanics, way before it was even a thing.

Yeah. And it's very similar. There was a guy that did a, an experiment actually the other day, he had these balloons that were connected to, I don't know if you saw this video where he sends these balloons, these helium balloons up with a conductor of some sort that ties into a wattage monitor or whatever you want to call that. I'm not a fricking electrician, so don't kill me on that. But yeah,

It's tied into this and the higher up he goes, I think he went up like 100 feet, 200 feet. He was getting more wattage out of that. So it's like it was kind of showing how maybe Tesla kind of saw this energy theory from both the ground based, you know, Pisa Electric and and then also the I guess you can maybe call it the ether. But do you think that.

I mean, I know this sounds crazy. We think about advanced technology, but do you think that potentially we are reusing ancient blueprints or maybe something that was recovered from archaeological digs or ancient texts or any of that stuff with our knowledge?

Of how we got to this point, because, you know, you could say on one hand, if you want to go the UFO community route that, hey, we've got these downed UFOs. We reverse engineered them. But what if we had technology or we have found technology? I mean, think about this, for example, the Smithsonian for I don't know how many years has covered up basically everything that is against our learning of history throughout our life.

And I was talking to some people of listeners of ours a couple of days ago and I said, you know, it's almost like everything that we've been taught, not everything, but a lot of stuff we've been taught growing up as far as our history and all of that are just lies. And the more you start actually digging and especially in ancient times,

civilizations or ancient technology, the more you start realizing it's almost seems like they were smarter than we are today. And although you do talk about material science, maybe that maybe they didn't have the material science aspect as, as well as we do. But I just wonder if instead of reverse injuring, maybe we got this technology from, from things that we have lied to the citizens and our civilization about forever. I mean, don't you think that's a possibility? Maybe.

Absolutely. I would even take it a step further. I often think about the implications of technology like free energy technology. And we're talking about the ether, that there's this interactable quantum energy, the zero point energy that we can potentially extract, and it might be nearly unlimited amounts of energy. Some big questions come up, which is the first thing that I think anyone needs to ask themselves is,

If this is true, what prevents us from learning about this technology? And if the barriers to entry are quite low, it's just a matter of us understanding the universe. I mean, really right now, the only difference, if you ask AI, it'll just say like Sean Green or whatever says that, you know, hopefully I'm saying that guy's name right, uh,

You can't, this energy exists, but there's no way to tap into it. And that it's because when we look out there, the vacuum catastrophe, when we look and measure all the heat energy out there, we get this tiny amount. And just like I said before, well, Sal is saying that there's this vibrational energy that we're not accounting for in quantum mechanics. Yeah.

And that is potentially the difference. But if this technology is just a matter of our perspective of the universe, then very little prevents us from understanding the ideas behind it. And if that's the case, why was it not figured out 10 years ago, 100 years ago?

a million years ago, or even a billion years ago. I think humans have this way of saying, well, we're the first ones. We're the most advanced out here. I think that seems extremely unlikely, and it's very naive to have that point of view.

If anything, the universe is very old. Now it just got another 13 billion years added to it. So we're roughly around 26 billion years old for the age of our universe. And our solar system is presumably only like 4 or 5 billion years old, whatever it is. Anyway, a fraction of the age of the universe. So why have other civilizations not figured out this technology? They must have. They must have figured it out a long time.

Time ago. And so if that's the case, then why couldn't there, why weren't there still advanced civilizations on this earth before us? We've got 4 billion years to work with. Seems pretty likely they probably were at some point, assuming all this technology, advanced technology is really real. And there is this,

upper echelon that a civilization, humanity in this case, can achieve after you figure out that fire isn't really all that it's cracked up to be. Well, even Tesla was saying himself that he felt like when he was in Colorado Springs, when he was doing a lot of testing and trying to understand the Wardenclyffe,

that he was reaching out to Mars. Yeah. And that he had some kind of transmission coming from Mars. Yeah. He kept saying that. I mean, it was almost like,

He had these visions, and that's what Tesla had consistently was visions. And everybody around Tesla said, you know, this guy basically could break apart, put together, do all this stuff in his mind. Yeah, just see these visions and see these things at work in his mind, like an actual 3D picture of these models that he invented. And he had so many different inventions. Yeah. I just feel like, you know, and you're talking about how young our solar system is.

But even Nikola Tesla said, you know, he had transmissions from Mars way back then. Yeah, it was very strange. And there's a lot of speculation around Mars as well. Like, was there civilizations? Was there a life form on Mars at one point in time? We talked about on one of our recent episodes where, yeah,

You know, a lot of people think that Mars was potentially nuked or some type of weapon system was used on Mars at one point in time. If you look at kind of a lot of the semblances of what Mars looks like today. Yeah, and there's extra structures on Mars. Yeah, these square-like structures that we see in some of these images that have come out since then. But if that's the case in Mars, and like you're saying, our solar system is so young compared to our universe. I mean...

You just could not imagine what's out in our universe. So you're right. What do you think about like Tesla and Mars and him thinking he's communicating with Mars? Do you think that was possible?

Well, the first thing about Mars is that people should look and realize there is seasonal methane on Mars. And that's a pretty strong indicator of biological processes. Because if it was geological, the source would have eventually ran out millions, if not billions of years ago.

So for there to still be this seasonal methane, a strong indicator of life somewhere. I'm not talking about little green men. I'm talking about like bacteria, some stuff, which is still significant. Yeah. The other thing people should know about Mars is that there are, there is a monolith on Mars and one on Phobos. And Phobos is a tiny little rock. And it's got a monolith so tall on it that you can see the shadow cast like a sundial.

That's pretty damn weird. Not necessarily, but pretty good indicator of artificial structure. If you ask me, you don't see a lot of monoliths randomly around in natural formations because they tend to fall over or get smooth over time because of gravity. With respect to Tesla, Tesla realized, I'm very confident in this, is that he realized space is not empty.

Tesla was a man who experienced or experimented with electricity, waves, and essentially like a radio, you know, in terms of tapping in to the right frequency to hear the station that you want to listen to. And when he was doing that, he realized something very obvious. Space is not empty. Space everywhere is filled with electromagnetic waves everywhere. And if that's the case, maybe it's like a fabric.

where I can interact with it here, and I'll be able to cause something to happen, like on Mars, or vice versa. So naturally, he would start to think, well, maybe I'm hearing communications from people on Mars. Maybe all this static, all this noise is actually like other civilizations out there, other things happening out there. Now, not necessarily true, but the concept is true. His reasoning is right.

We know now because we've got close-up images of Mars that, no, there's probably not any civilizations out there unless they're underground or something. Maybe, who knows? But we do know that this idea of what he would call radiant energy is now what we call the ether, the zero-point energy. And from things like the Ehrenhoff-Bohm effect, we know that you can cause potentials in the medium –

where it shouldn't make any sense. They take this solenoid that should trap all the electromagnetic fields within this cylinder. Like think of like a can of Coke. All the fields should be trapped within this can of Coke. But if they shoot electrons past it, their path gets warped. That shouldn't be possible. There should be no electromagnetic fields impacting their path, but it still does. Why? Because the medium itself is

is being interacted with, with your can of Coke filled with electro, with your electromagnetic fields trapped inside of it.

So we know for sure, experimentally proven, space is not empty. We're just taking a long time to catch up. No, I agree. And Nikola Tesla was responsible for over 700 plus things that we actually utilize today. I mean, alternating current or AC power, induction motors, wireless communications or radio, fluorescent lighting and neon lamps, Tesla coils, remote controls, x-rays and imaging equipment.

hydroelectric power, resonant frequency, wireless energy, electric oscillators and transformers. And this is what AI says is a bonus inspired modern innovations, especially with drones based on his remote controlled systems. But again,

You get an electric vehicles. His name is on the Tesla brand. Although we actually miss said this before. It wasn't Elon. It actually named Tesla, Tesla. It was the guys that created Tesla to begin with. And then free energy theories and scalar filled research, which is they say is fringe still, but growing fast and interest. And obviously there's a reason for a lot of this. It's growing fast because I think this is what.

We have been lied to about for a very, very long time. And I think that if you look back in ancient power structures or ancient civilizations, how did they do the things they did? And I think even if you look at potentially the pyramids, you know, did it have to be giants that were making these things? If you understood the energy and how you could utilize the energy for moving blocks that were eight tons, you know, in weight, uh,

Is that like a possible thing, Ashton, you've thought about as far as maybe how some of these things were built as they utilize and harness the energy around them to be able to move these? That's interesting.

Yeah, I mean, I'll just go ahead and say I don't think it was pulleys and I don't think you just add more slaves to the problem. That seems like a very primitive way of thinking. Oh, that's a really heavy stone that's like, you know, way, way too big. Oh, just add more slaves to it. That'll push it up the hill. No, I don't really think that that's the answer. Honestly, to me, the thing that makes the most sense is like I was saying before, some form of acoustic levitation where keep in mind, I'm not talking about making the rock

or whatever weightless, but just reducing the weight. If you could use some form of acoustic levitation to reduce the weight, we could do that. Now, I've seen some other things too that maybe could explain it, you know, using like

wooden logs and stuff underneath it. Sure. But nothing really that was convincing enough just based on the physics of where we're talking about, where the stones are coming from and where they have to get to. A lot of it just seems extremely complex to rationalize without some other explanation. Now, what I'll say with respect to the scalar thing is...

One of the things you see often in looking at free energy concepts, Tesla stuff, is this idea of the Gertgenstein effect. Hopefully I'm saying that right. Which is essentially that if you have a very, very high voltage and very high frequency in your electrical system, the electromagnetic fields will be changed the way they act and begin to act scalar. So if you were to imagine them, imagine a magnet

with its curved fields. And now when it becomes scalar, all of a sudden the fields just shoot straight out in every direction away from the source. They change entirely. And that's the kind of effect that you would want to have happen if you want to like reduce the weight of an object or increase the weight of an object, theoretically. And a scalar field might just be a gravity field.

When you do something like that, you might just be creating this differential in space-time where all of a sudden there's an attractive force there. So one last thought is that gravity itself...

I think is highly misunderstood. And it's just simpler than what people imagine because people want it to be this fundamental force, this gravity force that's there, but it's actually just a side effect. It's just a pressure force, just a pressure force that forces things from our perspective down onto the earth. So anything that's causing the pressure back upwards, uh,

is anti-gravity which then you would say well that's kind of stupid ash and you're saying that like when a bird is flying or when a bug is flying it's anti-gravity i'm saying yes yes that's why i don't use the term anti-gravity because it's stupid because yes technically anything that's lifting up in the air is anti-gravity because just it's you know doing away with that pressure um kind of the same thing when you're in space there is no gravity so you just kind of float

You kind of just float around and then you could imagine, okay, well, if I were to put a planet next to me, I would float towards it. Or if I were to do the opposite and somehow be able to take away even more space, even when I'm out there and I imagine that there's nothing there, no gravity, there's still the zero point energy there. So if I got rid of that, then I would potentially just get sucked towards it, theoretically, and

And so this is the idea of a warp drive, is that we're actually just going to start playing around with the medium, play around with the medium itself. Don't try to actually change the mass of the stone brick. That's impossible. You can't physically change the mass of something. Instead, change how the medium interacts. If you can do that, then technically you create an optical illusion of

for the people that are staring at it, but it's still 100% real from the physical perspective. And so what I'm saying here is like, you imagine a warp drive or something teleporting. And from the perspective of the person in the bubble of the warp drive, their time is just moving normally. And I've said this example before, but I'm gonna say it again just so people understand. From the people, and if they were to be able to look outside of the bubble, it would look like everything's moving in super slow motion, right?

But from the perspective of the people on the outside, they can't even see the person in the bubble moving because they're moving so fast. Both of these things are true at the same time. And the weirdest part is that even though both of these people are experiencing these physical forces that are seemingly so different, they both experience time at the quote unquote normal rate.

For neither of them, it seems weird. Their time just seems to be moving normally, just like we're talking right now. That's the weirdness and the rub around general relativity. And that whole idea is what allows warp drives and wormholes to

Rosenbridge to even be theoretically possible. Yeah. So imagine they do something like that to the stone brick, right? He doesn't have to make it weight zero, but any reduction is a big benefit, right?

That's very interesting. And you know, it reminds me of his interstellar, the movie, like immediately it reminds me of that. Cause you know, when they're, when they're down on that planet, they have to go down this planet. And I think they're talking still, I guess, to Houston or whoever. And they're like, Hey, just so you know, for every 30 minutes you're down there, it's like seven years on earth. So just understand that like time is moving much faster here and,

And even though it's not for them being there. No, it's not. It's like the same thing. I mean, you know, it doesn't appear to be any different, but that's kind of somewhat, although they were way far away from Earth. And so obviously maybe you even look at like the travel time, even if you could travel the speed of light in that scenario is still. And I think they utilize the scenario of that. This planet was near a black hole. So time was different. But what if we are in a black hole?

Have you heard these theories, guys? Have you heard these theories that we're inside a black hole that's inside a black hole that's inside a black hole and it keeps going and going and going and going? I think maybe everything technically may be somehow in a black hole. I don't know. It's very weird, the black hole thing. Ashley, what do you think about that? Hold on. Before that, I just want to say with the orbs, and this goes right into this, is that...

I ask AI and AI says, you know, potentially these orbs in MH3-70 video may have created a portal or time dimension, a literal vanishing of the aircraft. There are ancient myths from the minus to the book of Enoch describing sky chariots and dimensional shifts. Could this be evidence of the same force at work? And so he's talking specifically about time and space distortion. Is that kind of what we're talking about here, Ashton?

Yeah. And check out my interview with Jason Giorgiani if people are interested, because, you know, any time when you're dealing with free energy, you're also dealing with gravity manipulation. And you're also therefore just as a proof, you're also dealing with time manipulation because gravity is also then what determines time. Like you said, in the movie of Interstellar,

They are near a black hole. That's why they rationalize the huge amount of time dilation that occurs. Because the more mass you're near, the faster and closer to the speed of light that you're technically moving. And so I also, when I saw that movie, that's actually where I first learned about time dilation. I didn't even know existed before that. It was 2014, I think.

And I couldn't stop thinking about it. I was the whole night looking up time dilation. Is that real? Is that really how it works? That is actually how it works. And it's been experimentally proven using atomic clocks flying around the earth. And that's, what's so crazy about it in the movie. One point I want to fun fact is that the tone of the music while they're on the planet represents like one tick of a clock, which is basically kind of doing what your point you're saying for the audience points out that like,

Every time, every second they're there is like 10 seconds on Earth or whatever. It is a really long time, essentially, on Earth. So that after like an hour or two, it's like 20 years has already gone by. And they use this again at the end of the movie. And this is also 100% real, by the way, where Matthew McConaughey's character goes to the future and meets his elderly daughter. Mm hmm.

That's real time travel. Why is that real time travel? Well, what did I describe a second ago with the bubble? Is that in theory, you can change your dial of time relative to other people. For you, it's still going to seem like it's normal, but you could either slow your dial or you can speed it up. So if you were to slow your dial of time down, everything around you is going to look like it's going at super speed.

And if people look at you, you're just going to look like you're a frozen statue, not moving. But from your perspective, you're just living life normally. Your time is moving normally. That's what happened to Matthew McConaughey. Matthew McConaughey's time got slowed down to such a degree that his daughter became an elderly woman. And he was so from a time travel perspective, what did he do? He traveled to the future.

He traveled to the future from the time travel perspective. Yeah. And he's the same age, technically, his body. That's traveling to the future. You can't travel to the past, though. You can't travel to the past. Why? Because if you change that dial, even if you were to reverse the dial, what are you doing? You're not changing what's outside the bubble. You're just changing what's inside the bubble. So even if you were to reverse the dial entirely...

What you would really be doing is reversing your age, not reversing the age of the universe. So it will still be 2025 when you come out of the bubble, but you might be 10 years younger.

Hmm. That's almost cooler than going back in time. If you ask me, because that means living forever, that means curing any disease that exists. And do you think that's possible at all? I mean, obviously I think that we know that time travel is possible to the future because, you know, I, I heavily looked up interstellar when I saw this movie very similarly to you. And I was like, is this real? Like, is this even a possibility? Yeah.

And the more research I did, I was like, damn, this actually could be real. Like if we could do these same scenarios that they did in this movie, that's if you can do them, which you could do these theoretically, if you figured out how to be able to do these. But absolutely, that would likely be what happens in the same scenario that Matthew McConaughey was in during this, you know, during this movie. But do you think that time travel backwards is possible in any way, shape or form? How would you do it? Would it have to be some type of

Because I think you could use a universe to travel forward in time from your body perspective. But you're saying basically you can't necessarily use the universe to travel backwards. So it would be something you would have to yourself figure out how to do and not utilize the universe's force or power or just reality. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to give you two different experiments for people that are out there. And I don't really know what the answers are. And I think I don't think we will until we test it. This is why I don't talk about time travel too much, because we just don't have enough data to be sure. There's a couple ideas, ones that one times deterministic, and one is that time is like many worlds. So think of it in terms of are there parallel universes? Or is there just one universe? And whatever happens in this universe always happens.

Now, one thought experiment would be if I were to have a portal that I can walk through a stargate here on Earth and then I show up somewhere on the surface of Mars. And let's just assume I can breathe on Mars for the sake of argument. I go through that portal. I look up at the sky at Earth and I wave at myself and I step back through the portal.

No problem there. I should always come back through the portal at Earth at a time later than I went through it. Should be no causality issue. In fact, it'd be cool because then when I come back through Earth, I should be able to look up in a few minutes up at Mars through a telescope and see myself waving at myself. That's pretty weird. Here's the problem. Now imagine I make another portal on Mars and this portal on Mars goes somewhere else on Earth.

Okay, that's fine. Now I go through the portal from Earth to Mars. Now I go through the other portal back to Earth. Does the other portal back to Earth get me back to Earth before or after I went in the first portal to Mars? The question here is, I don't know. Because if you're cheating, if you're just using a portal and traversing this huge amount of distance in zero time,

How long is your path? Are all portals following the same exact path between two points? Or can some be longer paths than other portals? If it's longer, then that would imply there's going to be more or less time dilation, which should imply that I might come out of the other portal and it's an hour later. But if I'd gone in the first portal, I would appear one minute after I came in or one second after I came in, right? Mm-hmm.

So now it starts to get really weird where theory we, unless we have experimental evidence, we can't really tell if you're going to be able to break causality or, you know, do other weird things like you might see in sci-fi. But overall, I will say I'm generally pretty confident that you can't go to the past at the moment. Okay. And so I'm going to ask another question before we move on a little bit. So some of this other stuff, but talking on the same subject matter, um,

You've heard obviously from the UFO community and speculators of like, you've heard the theory that maybe what we're seeing in the sky, maybe what is interdimensional could be our future selves or, or somehow a civilization somewhere figured out a way to time travel forward. And now there's somehow some way interacting with our reality. It kind of goes back to interstellar again, you know, in the end of the movie where he's,

Like in this kind of in between and he is, and it shows it in the beginning of the movie too, where the books, the books are falling off the bookshelf and they're doing, and then towards the end of the movie, he's literally in this other realm, I guess you can say, because of this time travel, I think he went through this kind of black hole type thing and he's pushing books off the bookshelf, even though it was him in the future, uh,

And he sees himself doing it from the future. Would that be a possible scenario? Like just based on everything you know about scalar physics and free energy and all the stuff that you've researched, is that a possibility in any way, shape or form? If we had an advanced civilization back in the past that somehow figured out how to utilize the stuff that we're literally talking about right now,

Maybe, I don't know. I mean, you could even possibly go with the ancient astronaut theory. But I think ancient astronaut theory is like we at some point in time figured out a way to do the things we can't do today. Is that a possibility? Could potentially future or ancient civilizations that went to the future be interacting with us today? And what is interdimensional? Well,

Well, if we keep it scientific, you can look at the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment, which there's different interpretations of it. Interpretation of mine, though, shows that clearly seems that there is some information coming from the future to the present. And that would then open the door to receiving communications from your future self, in theory.

Um, so I think that experiment opens the door to it where it is theoretically possible, um,

And, you know, then it asks, it kind of begs the question, you might say to, you know, is this a situation where previous ancient civilization was just a future form of ourselves? And now it's going to start to get a little bit spiritual, let's say, because you would say if there is this extremely advanced technology, this free energy technology, that's just echelons above fire technology, boom, boom technology, right?

Then is this technology, how do you prevent your civilization from destroying themselves with this technology? Where it reaches the point where any one person is going to become powerful enough to press a button on their smartphone and then the whole planet's destroyed. And now 10 billion people or whatever are now gone. How do you prevent that? What if that's always what happens?

And it's just a cycle where once civilizations get too far advanced, you know, if they're a warring civilization, if they're a civilization that's violent, it's inevitable that they eventually wipe themselves out. You might even argue that if that were the case, then all living really is, is the time between those cycles for you figure it all out. And up until that point where you do, where you're advancing, advancing, advancing, making your civilization more, uh,

civilized, for lack of a better term, until you get to the point where you get a little too civilized, a little too powerful, now you've wiped yourself out. Maybe that's why we don't see a lot of civilizations that are out there. Maybe that's why they're covering it up. Because maybe that's the big secret. And they're like, you know what? We gotta just lie to everybody, kick the can down the road as long as we can.

Because once people figure out this free energy technology, this alien technology, UFO technology, then basically we started to clock. At some point, we're going to get wiped out. It's just a matter of when. I do have a question where we're talking about ancient energy and ley lines. So...

AI was talking about one of the questions because I got help from AI saying, hey, what can we kind of talk about in reference to MH370 and ancient technology? Interestingly enough, one of the questions they wanted me to ask and talk about was ley lines with MH370.

And so as I was going to ask this, I was like, well, AI, what do you think? Like, I mean, you're asking me to ask this. So you're a freaking genius. So tell me if there's ley lines where MH370 flight path is or any of this other stuff. So it says, while mainstream science does not recognize ley lines as a physical phenomenon, some researchers propose that these hypothetical alignments of ancient sites and natural features are

believed by some to carry spiritual mystical energy exists globally, including the regions near the Southern Indian ocean where Malaysia airlines flight industry 70 is believed to have disappeared. The last known location of image three 70 based on satellite data and drift analysis place that likely impact in the Southern Indian ocean near coordinates three, 5.6 South and nine 2.8 East. Some proponents of ley lines there suggested this area, uh,

intersects with global energy grids such as those depicted in the Becker-Hagen's Earth Grid model, which maps out a network of energy lines and vortex points across the globe. And so it says, we do find sufficient evidence that they provide fascinating avenue for discussion about the mysteries surrounding MH370 and the immense amount of ley lines in this specific region of the MH370 disappearance. So,

if you kind of look at some of the maps it's giving, especially over where MH370 disappeared, there are large, there is almost intersecting ley lines in this specific area. Have you ever thought about that as far as the ley lines, the earth grid, the natural stuff? Do you think maybe that could play a potential role in, although we don't, I guess you'd obviously have your theories on how these orbs operate, but,

but could it also be utilized based on the Earth's kind of grid structure of energy? So my personal opinion is that I don't think the case of MH370 is related to ley lines. I don't think the area location is relevant necessarily for that. And I also looked into there's a magnetic anomaly. It's actually pretty close to Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, right?

As well, and I don't think that's necessarily related either. Although I do think all these topics are somewhat interesting. But I do have something that is kind of interesting for you related to ley lines is that there's a new experiment 2025 that showed that we can draw energy electricity directly from the rotation of the Earth.

And why it's important is that you have to align the... They basically make a metal tube. That's to be the specific type of alloy. And you align it against the Earth's magnetic field lines. And if you align it correctly, it produces voltage. And then if you rotate it 90 degrees, no voltage. Rotate it another 90 degrees, so 180 total. Now it gets negative voltage. This is extremely powerful evidence.

that we can harness energy from the orientation and spin of the earth. So it speaks to what Tesla was trying to do with his Wardenclyffe Tower, pulling energy out of the earth. And it speaks to the poloidal fields of the earth

and potentially abusing the magnetic fields of the earth to, to pull energy. So poloidal fields, people don't know is like the, you know, imagine the earth and then the magnetic fields coming out of the North and going to the South, those would be your poloidal fields kind of covering the poles, the planet. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I'd ask AI also, what is the most important question that we should talk about on the show? And it talks about, um,

Tartarian Atlantis, civilizations that allegedly had advanced technology. Could what happened to MX-370 be the work of remnants of a breakaway civilization that never really disappeared but went underground or off-world? So obviously we're talking about

You know, if you think about and I know this is getting, you know, kind of a little bit off a little bit off the rails. But coordinate I, you know, we think about the fact that this could absolutely be advanced technology from the United States government. But and then obviously there's been a lot of people and we talked about this, you know, three, probably three episodes were like, you know, actually, is this is this advanced technology or could this be UFOs?

But you think about like, is there a breakaway civilization somewhere that we don't know about that may have this technology still on Earth? You know, one of these orbs that we see in the video comes from the ocean. And I don't I don't know what the deal was with the ocean with these freaking, you know, orbs or UFOs or UAPs, whatever you want to call them.

But it seems like they love the ocean and they consistently come out of the ocean on a regular basis. And then you see the MH370 videos where you have, what is it? Is it three or so as two orbs at first come up and then there's one, it appears that

to come out of the ocean. And we have so many accounts of Navy pilots, whoever, that often interact with these things that are near the ocean. Could the ocean be a conductor of some type of this electricity? I don't know. That makes these orbs work.

I don't think that's what's going on here, but I do think the ocean is a great place to hide in general, especially if you're hiding from humanity. It's a really, really good place to hide. It's a really good place to test stuff as well. I think the bigger thing is if you look into the plasma orbs, especially when you just look at the orbs in MH370 video and you realize you're just looking at a shell plasma. There's nothing encasing it.

And you realize that they're creating a non-physical barrier, a junction between the air and the plasma. So however they're doing that, why is that limited to just air? The answer is it's not. It's going to do the exact same thing in the water.

So those plasma orbs are absolutely transmedium. They're going to be able to go between the water and the air and outer space relatively easily. My only concerns about outer space is, well, where is the supposed fuel source for these orbs? If it's zero point energy in space itself, then they're going to be able to fly in space. No problem.

If it's something more conventional and they're like, let's say, pulling energy out of like the hydrogen atoms in the air or in the water, then they might just be dual medium like water and air, but they can't go into space because they're not of hydrogen density in space or something. But these are topics where I'm going to explore this actually tonight. So if you guys are listening to this, maybe check out. It's probably their last night stream or a couple nights ago.

check out that stream because it's... I've actually... It's insane how much information I've been able to learn just from learning physics, quantum mechanics, condensed matter physics, etc. Stuff about plasma. And then watching the videos again, especially these heat signatures that you see around the orbs. They're absolutely extremely dense balls of energy. And because they have this...

charge separation in them where the positive and the negative charges are separated it creates a very powerful electric field just like a battery or capacitor will create a circuit and when they're combining in the videos that's definitely where it's like this emergence of the forces coming together um to create this even more

powerful effect the way that they're able to move around is that the orbs are essentially weightless by nature because it's just a ball of plasma yeah but dense and if they move the plasma around inside this we'll call it the non-radiating barrier what we see is the sphere depending on how they move the plasma around will actually change how the orbs are moving

And because they have this positive and negative charge separated, they will act like a magnetic inverter or a magnet inverter, which means that they will be attracted to each other. But when they get close enough, they will begin to repel. So they find this equilibrium.

So when you see these videos where there's three orbs spinning around or moving in a triangle formation, there's a lot of videos like this. You'll know the reason why is because those orbs have positive and negative separated charge in them. And they're acting like magnet inverters that stick together once they get to a certain range. And now if they move apart, they pull back together. And if they come close together, they repel apart again.

This means they've got perfect control over the movements of the plasma within these orbs, which I think would have to be done by AI or what have you. But it also implies that the people that have that technology have figured out fusion a long time ago in order to have that level of control.

That's probably better than the best tokamak reactors and stellarators, whatever we've got out there. And see that action. That's like, where did they figure that out? And how long have they known about this? Right. Yeah. That's what kind of worries me is, you know, and I think I've asked you this question before and I want to revisit this briefly, but, um,

you know, we think about like how many presidents actually know about our most advanced weapons. Like, you know, how many presidents are actually read in on what Lockheed or Raytheon or some other, some other group is working on. And the question is, is like if these orbs and these plasmids, advanced technology is real, which I believe it is. And I know you believe it is.

Do we think this is U.S. government or any government controlled? Do we think maybe the elites have control of this over anyone? And isn't that kind of the danger here? Is that, you know, especially considering if you're Congress or Senate or whoever, you essentially have no oversight in figuring out who the hell has what and what do we actually have as far as civilization ending weapons? Where's the oversight and how dangerous is that? I mean, in your mind?

Yeah, well, for me, I'm for sure that the orbs in the MH370 videos are the United States military. Based on the context of the videos, number one question is, why are they filming? Well, there is only one answer. That's an operation, which means that whatever we're seeing in there is us in that video. Now, this doesn't mean that everything is us. A lot of people immediately will say, well, what about the Foo Fighters in the 20s, for example? These orbs seem very similar to the Foo Fighters in the 20s.

Who knows? Maybe the orbs that we've created are the same as the alien orbs. Or maybe it's our version.

of those orbs i don't know if we're ever going to unpack that that whole answer or maybe it's something we dug up and then we figured you know this technology out i think it is a really good question on how far this goes back and this is why i was asking you guys to have the the kind of thought experiment which is what is the prerequisite to understand this technology yeah because if you think about the prerequisite then you have an idea of how far back it could go

And truthfully for me, I'm like, it could go back really, really far. But also then how do we distinguish between something that we've developed versus something that another civilization has developed? They could look startlingly similar to one another. Dr. Greer talks about this all the time in terms of like 95% of the stuff out there is us, but we've been making these, uh, you know, ARVs or whatever he calls them out there. Um,

So I think absolutely it's us. And that's why when Trump says stuff like, no one's going to do anything, we've got stuff that nobody understands. He's speaking to this idea that we've got this UFO technology. But what if it's not? Like, I'm not saying that this is the case. But what if it's actually not alien technology? What if we've actually just figured it out? What if it is Einstein and Tesla and Thomas Johnson Brown and all these other people? What if they just figured it out?

And we don't need aliens to explain it. If that's the case, does the public deserve to know the truth? That is the question. It kind of throws it up in the air. Like, where's the line between national security and

like the good of humanity. Yeah. Yeah. It's very interesting. And I, and I think even with Tesla, most people wonder like, why do we still not have that, you know, technology today? Tesla wanted to give free energy to everybody. Yeah. And you know, he was right along the lines of Edison and JP Morgan actually was financing a lot of what he was doing until Tesla said, Hey, I want to give free energy to everybody. He's like, Whoa,

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Free energy. What the hell are you talking about, bro? How are we making money on free energy? But I think actually what happened was it came along that the government or whoever stole his figured out. Yeah, but they figured out we can weaponize this. And as soon as they start weaponizing energy or technology, that's when it all goes bad.

But, Ashton, I appreciate you coming on. There's so much to talk about here because, I mean, as we keep diving and digging into kind of what I believe are things we've been lied to for a very long time about, I think we're still being lied to to this day. And I think even in your particular case where MX370 kind of sparked your...

your journey into your studies on energy and free energy and scalar physics and you name it, you have to have people like that that are investigating and trying to get to the bottom of the stuff that we are experiencing today. I think this has happened for, like you said, maybe millions of years, thousands of years at the very least.

And so when we're talking on the podcast about ancient civilizations and people are like, oh, my God, that sounds crazy. Four thousand years ago, there were people that had technology. No way, bro. No, this could have been actually much, much longer ago than three or four thousand years ago.

And there's no telling what we have either got rid of, hidden or destroyed on purpose. And I think that's what is so interesting about this conversation. But Ashton, can you can you tell everybody what you're working on, where to follow you, all that good stuff? And like I said, man, you're a great friend of ours and a great friend of the show. We've we've enjoyed watching you grow and fight this crisis.

Fight this fight. It's been, what, two years probably. I don't even freaking know anymore. Imagine we're going to be here in a few years still doing this. We've known each other for five years now. No, I'm, you know, harder than physics, but I am just, I'm doing what I love, which is learning more about warp drives, learning more about zero point energy,

Getting to the point where I'm more and more comfortable talking about the science and the physics and the underlying concepts. And I'm trying to figure out if I were to learn all this stuff, am I going to figure out where the holes are in physics? Where's the stuff where the logic doesn't really quite add up and where we might be able to explain why some of this stuff is possible, even though it seems impossible to the layman and even would have been to me a couple of years ago.

Um, I want to leave you guys. Well, first of all, you can find me at just X Ashton on all the socials, uh, now including Tik TOK and Instagram, et cetera. I'm live streaming on YouTube, rumble and pilled as well right now, three times a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 7 PM central time. I want to leave you guys with one last thought experiment, which is kind of ties everything together. It goes back to the time travel aspect. Um,

which is Sherry said, well, what if we are inside of a black hole? One of the things that I've thought is, well, if time dilation is real, you can change your flow of time. And we know that this big bang happened, or let's just assume that the big bang happened. Then wouldn't that just be very similar to being like living on an explosion that's happening? Like if I were to just go blow something up and imagine the particles living on one of the little particles that goes flying from the explosion, right?

But that while that seems really fast when I'm looking at it as a person that blew that thing up, if I were to imagine living on that explosion, would time slow down for me to a point where that explosion could seem like a million years?

And this then opens up the idea of, you know, maybe time only exists because mass and energy exist. And time itself then is just an illusion. It could be a situation where even though it seems like millions and billions of years have gone by from another perspective and outside perspective, it's only a matter of fractions of seconds.

So interesting. And you're specifically talking about mass, things that can degrade or die or whatever over time. But energy, I believe, never dies. Do you believe that? Well, I think that all energy in the entire universe and all mass came from the zero point field. And I think that what we are is the non-equilibrium of the energy, the energy that's outside of that. So imagine the ocean, right?

But not all the oceans inside the ocean. Maybe some of the water is in the atmosphere, raining back down.

I would imagine our reality is the energy that is outside of the ether, trapped outside of the ether. And it's a fun thought that, well, maybe that means that our consciousness is trapped outside the ether. I asked Salvatore Pais, but this is the last thing I swear, is I asked him, I said, if we could reverse entropy, like we could do the go back in time thing, like reverse my aging, would my memory change?

be lost as well? And his answer was, no, your body is a receiver.

So because your body is the receiver, even if you reverse the age of your body, your memory might still be the same age. Yeah. Pretty interesting thought. But that also kind of reminds me of I've always said I think our bodies are just vessels for energy. And, you know, your body, you can do many things with. But I think that energy is always going to be sustained unless there's some disruptor of that. And then you got to figure out what that disruptor would be. So yeah.

Anyways, Ashton, thank you so much for coming on, man. It's so good to have you back on. Really, really appreciate it. Everybody go and follow Ashton on all of his platforms. I don't know what Pilled is or whatever you just said, but maybe that's a new thing that a new platform.

Yeah, it's a new free speech platform. People should check it out. It's pretty cool. Are you not doing live streams on X? Not right now. OK, we'll come back to that maybe at some point. All right. I guess. Yeah. All right, man. Well, that was just as just just as Ashton, just as Ashton. Ashton, thanks so much, brother. Yeah, thanks, Ashton.

All right, guys, that was that was an interesting conversation. Really, really enjoyed that one. You know, listen, we've been talking so much about ancient energy civilization stuff. And the reason why I wanted to bring Ashton on is because, you know, there's so many people that just do not believe that ancient civilizations possibly could have had technology that they had. And I just don't agree with that. I think that.

I think that probably even in some ways that ancient civilizations maybe had more technology and understanding than we do today, for sure. I agree. And it even goes back to maybe the metaphysical side of science. You know, did they have that back then? Maybe. We don't know. I mean, I still go back to this. I think we've been lied to for years and years and years. There's never going to be some person, maybe besides God,

God, eventually Jesus is going to come back. I believe this is my belief, but he's going to be the disruptor of lies. He's going to be the disruptor of all the people that have lied to us for a very long time. And that's always been the case throughout history. If you look at historical books and, um, and I do believe that's also maybe in some ways what's guiding a lot of people. I think there's a great awakening right now. I'm seeing more people actually turn to God.

I've ever seen in my life. People that I never thought in a million years would ever turn to God are doing that. They are going down this journey. And I think it's just because if you just look at the outside world, look at reality as it is, and then you start really thinking about like, how much have we been lied to and how much of people tried to kind of push the narrative of like, although yes, you go to church, yes, you do these things, but

How real is that really? That's almost kind of what society wants you to believe over time. And then I think over time, especially in this day and age, you start waking up. And once you wake up, you wake up to everything. It's not just the media lies to you. It's not just Anthony Fauci. It's not just the COVID pandemic. It's not just all of these things. I think you start waking up in whole and you start realizing that, hey, maybe some of these things I thought were like almost unrealistic or maybe not so unrealistic anymore.

Well, true. And just sitting in Ashton's science classroom, as we did the last hour, it makes you realize how tiny you are in this universe and how abundant the universe is and how much we don't know about our existence. Yeah, no, we don't. It's crazy. But I love spending time with Ashton and learning. You know, I usually don't have a lot to say because I'm just my mouth is to the ground. Like I'm like, oh, my God.

Because the way he explains things, it makes sense. Oh, and have you thought about it? And have you gone this route? Or do you think deeper about this? Or think about this way? Or let me leave you with this. It's just I love being in Ashton's little classroom. Little classroom. I mean, he has a huge mind. And, you know, I consider him...

He'll probably go down in history of some kind like Tesla or, you know, Einstein, who knows? Yeah, I agree. I definitely agree with that. Yeah, for sure. Very interesting conversation as always. And that's why I wanted to, I mean, there's so many more questions we could ask. He had a, he had to get out of here. He has a live stream tonight. But yeah, we, we got a lot more to talk about ancient civilizations. We get a lot of podcasts planned guys.

And, you know, to be honest, it's kind of been weird lately because there's not been a ton of like big news, which gives us an opportunity to kind of dive back into like ancient history and stuff like this. That's the stuff we like to do. And and so it just seems like once Trump's kind of come in, it's like everything has died out, you know, news wise, like there's not anything crazy that's happened. But every time I always say that.

every single time it's like well there's like a lull in something that's happened over the past couple weeks then something just massively explodes or two or three things

That's the way it's going to happen, but we're going to close this episode with Oh My God by Zorro. Guys, we appreciate Ashton very much. The best way to follow us is on X, Facebook, Instagram, all those platforms. We also have a sub stack, which we're going to start posting to more often. We got some great content over there already.

But until next time, guys, we love you very much. Peace out. Peace out, guys. I don't know what to say. It's so strange. I could just say from miles away. It's a freeway to outer space. If you give me air, baby, I swear.

I'm asking to save it all again I'm asking to save it If we were a movie, then how would it end? Oh my god, it's so strange How we end up being here again I don't care as long as you Get me off my feet I don't know what to say I don't know what to say

I don't care, as long as you get me off my feet, I don't know what to say. It's so strange, if we did it, we're good. When I see you crying too, so it means something to you. If you got plans to let me go, please don't let me know.

If you got plans to let me go, please let me know. Oh my god, it's so strange how we end up being here again. As long as you be off my feet, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say.

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