488: If You Leap Into a Well Don't Count Anyone To Pull You Out. The Hunn-Beating Proverbs Pt. 2
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This is Jocko podcast number 488 with echo Charles and me Jocko willing good evening echo good evening so podcast 485 was actually Kerry not you you were uh, you know extremely busy occupied doing something yeah like Vacation buddy sir for three weeks Well, we started covering some quotes from the Hun beating proverb book which was published in 1918 and

And it was aimed at, for the most part, it was aimed at Canadian soldiers who were fighting the Germans in World War I. And I talked a little bit about why the Germans were called Huns. It was a derogatory name, which was based on a speech that was given by Wilhelm II. Has the German soldiers left for China years before to stamp out the Boxer Rebellion? And...

Wilhelm II said that the Germans would take no prisoners, offer no mercy, and that they would be feared just like people feared Attila the Hun and his army. And so the Brits and the Canadians and the Americans eventually started calling the Germans the Huns. And so that's what this book is about. So the subtitle of the book is Containing Many Proverbs That Point to the Destruction of Arrogance.

tyranny villainy vice and the monstrous militarism of which Germany has been guilty and We made it through about half the proverbs last time. So we're gonna get the second half done many Lessons look got a lot of good feedback about that last one. This is ancient wisdom From 1918 that ancient well some of us

So here we go. Let's get into it. Let's get back to the book the Hun beating proverbs The first one out of the gate is a good one if you leap into a well Providence is not bound to fetch you out Hey, you know the bed that you're lying in yeah, you made it you made it No one's no one's gonna come get you out of that bed that you made. Yeah, you have to deal with it yourself. Yeah, I

You know how there's different expressions for that, right? You made your bed, you had to get out of the bed. - My favorite one. - And I'm remembering this 'cause I just heard it recently. You chose the music, so you gotta dance. - Yeah. - That's a good one. - That's another good one. Yeah, so there you go. Notice that all those different expressions put it on you. - Yeah. - These are alternate versions of extreme ownership.

Next one, if you lie upon roses when young, you'll lie upon thorns when old. Yeah. So, you spend a bunch of time partying when you're young, you ain't gonna have the time to party when you're old. Yeah. Now, some people think that's good. Reverse retirement. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I could see it, I guess. Live it up when you're 20 and 22 and you're all healthy and, you know. Basically, when you can. Yeah. So, and, bruh.

All you got to do is kind of think about that for a little bit, of course, with contingency, like, you know, like other stuff that you can't just go 10 to zero, you know, maybe like 80, 20 scenario. See what I'm saying? Because when you're old, you got to have some, you know, something to like sustain, maintain yourself. But there's a lot of, we'll call it logic to like, hey, you're capable of living it up when you're 20, 30, even 40 for the most part. You know, I'm generally speaking. Yeah.

But if you spend all that time like doing chores the chores of life It's like right you're gonna miss out on some stuff that you cut simply cannot do when you're older. It kind of makes sense Like you can't go. I don't know no cliff jumping for example. Yeah, it's hard to do when you're 80 Yeah, not saying you can't do it. Yeah low cliff, but I don't know there's like eight people in the world Who's gonna cliff jump at 80? Yeah true. It ain't me, but yeah, I dig it Yep, there is

Something to be said for you know, you know how you feel when you're done with a workout like a workout that you didn't want to do Like for instance today, I didn't want anything like working out and I had to do squats, which is you know, is a big step, right? And I didn't feel like doing it but I knew that when I was done I was gonna be like stoked that I did it. Yeah, right mm-hmm because now I'm in the present and You kind of have to set yourself up for your future presence So if you're if you

And like you said, there's got to be a balance to it. If you're just getting crazy and you're, and cause, cause that's another piece of it, right? If you're getting crazy when you're young, well, you didn't take care of your health. So now you're in bad shape when you're older. Right. If you take care of yourself when you're young and you can still be in good shape and maybe you can do a low cliff dive when you're 80. Yeah.

Yeah, you're right about that present thing. So that dawned upon me yesterday as well. Well, that was today in your case, but where, yeah, you have almost this kind of like gray area that kind of expands on like what you should be paying attention to. And of course, you'd be paying attention to everything, right? Learning from your past and then like planning for the future, whatever. I think that's a responsible way to do it for sure. But even when you're preparing for your future present, as you put it, which is a good way to put it, by the way,

You're still in the present. So what past situation did you accommodate your present situation? So squats, for example, if you were drinking the night before, you kind of, kind of screwed up your present self at the, at that moment. See what I'm saying? So you didn't drink. So it's like one of those things where you constantly got to be cognizant of your future present. See what I'm saying? But if you get too cognizant, you screw your present present. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.

So it's kind of like, oh yeah, it's almost like, yes, I'm glad that I did this, but I can't really be glad because I'm too busy worrying about my future present. I've definitely ventured into that zone in my life for sure. Yeah. Where, for instance, and one thing that I'm, you know, you know, I'm very paranoid about being late. Yes, sir. Right. So,

There's times in my life where I could have tried to do something, but it was a risk that I might be late for something else. Just a risk. Maybe the risk was 10%, 10%. But I'm so paranoid about being late that I wouldn't do this other thing, whatever it might be. And there's times where that was like, oh, a work-related thing. Like, oh, I'm not gonna involve with this thing because I gotta do this and I don't wanna be late for that thing. So, you know, not gonna do it.

Hey, there's, oh, there's good waves. Oh, but I gotta be at work at eight. There's a chance when you're surfing that you lose your board and you gotta find it and now you don't get to the beach when you thought you were gonna get to the beach and now you're 10 minutes late for work. So what do I do? Not surf. - Don't go surf. - And that's, I've done that before in my life. I didn't do it a lot and I definitely figured out, hey, okay, that means,

Planning wise instead of getting out of the water planning get out of the water at you know Seven I'll get out of the water at 6:50 So that gives me the ten minute and I already had fudge factor built in cuz I was so paranoid about being late Hmm, but it is definitely something that I could have there's times in my life where I didn't take advantage of a current thing because

I was too worried about the future. Yeah. And so that's, that's cost me. Let me ask you this. Cause I did catch that part. I listened to the last one of these, you and Carrie.

And you talked about the whole being late thing and you guys kind of like chopped it up about like, you know, how it's like, I know you over said it to make a point. So how it's just like this massive disrespect to yourself and to your life and all this stuff or whatever, which I felt, I felt it. And actually just listening to you guys say it almost like, I guess it's from a detached perspective, you know, where a lot of times when I'm involved, I'm thinking of my own philosophy, you know?

And I compare it, but I'm cutting in the moment. But I was listening to you guys and I was like, bro, he kind of has a point, bro. I mean, I know he's like exaggerating. Well, he has. Yeah. All right. Yeah. There's a difference between having a point and being 100% correct. There's a difference there. So when I was listening, I was like, bro, he has more of a point. I'm.

the point is landing harder and better than it has in the past. We'll say that not to say it hasn't landed in the past, but it's better. Like it kind of like affected me a little bit more. So I was like, maybe I could benefit if I really took this to heart. Like, Hey, this is really a character thing, you know, where, uh,

Me not caring about being late as much as I maybe should is a bad thing on my kind of character, you know, because there's more to life than like me freaking, I don't know, sleeping in an extra eight minutes or whatever it is I'm doing, you know, I always looked at it like.

I'm not going to take, like, if I'm giving my time to someone else, I'm not going to give them more of my time if they're giving me whatever they're giving me in return for the time. You know? It's like, that's the deal we made. And hey, maybe I'll give you more. Totally. You said 8 o'clock. Yeah. That's the contract. Hey, look. It's the deal. Maybe I'll get there at 7.15, give you an extra 10 minutes if I feel like it. But I shouldn't be shamed if I don't. You see what I'm saying? And hey, look, nobody's perfect. So I might show up at freaking 8.02 or whatever, whatever. That's my justification.

But if you make it a point, I think that, I think there's more benefits to that now. Yeah. Where it's like, that's who you are. And then, because you guys talk about being reliable, being a reliable person. So cool. Reliable person. That sounds good. But that doesn't hit you as hard as, hey, this guy's unreliable. See what I'm saying? That is a big difference. That's a stark difference. Yeah. So I think so. But here's the question for you, Chuck. How much of this...

Is you just like saying it to yourself? Like, Hey, I'm, I have this rule and it's based on these reasons, but I have this rule. And really that's what it's about. Like I'm just sticking dogmatically just to my rule. Cause it's my rule. You know, I made this decision for myself and I can't break it because whatever, you know, I think, I think it's that there's some of that, but there's also just the pragmatic knowledge of, of,

of just like, oh yeah, being on time. Like I don't wanna signify when I walk into a room. When I walk into a room, I don't want to signify to the nine people that are in the meeting or the 15 people that are in the meeting or the 20 people that are in the meeting. I don't wanna signify to them

I am not reliable and I'm not a good planner. And I don't really have my life squared away because I couldn't do the bare minimum task. And this is what we talked about with Bobby Holland too. With Bobby Holland, like the master chief told me the first day I got to the SEAL team,

don't be late yeah he didn't he didn't give me all the other reasons he didn't say you know it's important on time on target he didn't say in a tactical situation when bombs are dropping if you're off but he didn't say any of that stuff yeah he said don't be late yeah that's all he said and what i realized is that is a core competency and it's a you know bobby and i talked a lot about reputation on that podcast as well like what is your reputation is your reputation

you're reliable or your reputation that you're unreliable. And if you can't show up on time with the right gear, bro, what is, how am I supposed to count on you? So I think that landed because I never really even thought about being on time when I was a kid, when I was in high school, when I wasn't like, got to get to practice on time or don't want to be late for this class. I didn't have one. I probably didn't have, I probably had,

actual number zero of times that I was thinking to myself I don't want to be late because I don't want to damage my reputation appear to be an unreliable person I might have been like oh I don't want to get a freaking tardy slip or whatever yeah but I wasn't I didn't put two and two together yeah so I think it is a combination of hey look just gonna be on time and then

And then, you know, in a way your reputation is part of the jam. And I'll tell you another thing that I'm very lucky is my wife is an on-time person. Oh, she is. She's not a lagger. And I know some guys that are married to women that are not. And some men that are married, some men aren't going to be on time and their women is. And they get freaking. Reamed. Yeah. They get the hostilities in a different direction. Do you get that a little bit? Yes, they do. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Not all the time. But yeah, yeah.

Because your wife is more on the squared away side. If we had a scale of being squared away and you were on one side and she was on the other, she would win. I would say generally speaking, let's say there's a... Bro, if I need something from the Charles family, if I need a...

Tax document or something. I am 100% not talking to you. That is a good decision Yeah, and yet to talk to her about that will be 100% the current it's her and she's writing I don't know if she writes it down But I in my mind I see her writing it down like putting on her task list that is being executed currently that is correct. Yeah Squared away so that so I guess the next question would be that's good. Of course

But how much are you missing by being super dogmatic with, because you mentioned the surfing thing, right? Where, you know, that idea where you kind of look back and you'd be like, man, I wish I would have done more of that, you know, for all these different reasons that are, a lot of times there are lasting reasons too, you know? I have...

some of that. I have some of that, but the fact of the matter is I wasn't so dogmatic that I didn't surf. You know what I mean? Like there's some days where I was like, ah, you know what? I, I, I'm not going to surf today, but there's many more days where I was like, oh yeah, we're going to squeeze this in. We're going to make this happen. Like this is what we're doing. So we're paying, you're paying attention. Yeah. Yeah. So I wasn't, you know, uh, you, you can meet like a career Naval officer and they retire from the Navy and

And they don't, they didn't go surfing. You know what I mean? That's exemplifying anything that was fun, adventurous, like outside the box that they were, they didn't do any of it. And you can see it's not, it doesn't seem like it was a good call. You know, it seems like the better call would be to do cool stuff and go, you know, uh, that's another thing Bobby and I talked about was just like, always go out, you know, always go out. And again, you,

You go on a trip. The military life is like this. Like you go on a trip somewhere. Here's something I didn't do is we go to some city and there's some tourist attraction.

that's world renowned, I'm not going. You know what I mean? I'm probably lifting, honestly. I'm probably doing some kind of PT and guys are like, "Oh, do you wanna go see this such and such site?" And I'm like, "Dude, don't care." And now part of that is 'cause I don't care and I've never looked at a picture of a site and said, "Wow, I can't believe I was in wherever and I didn't go see the thing." - Just to see it. - Yeah, I've never felt that one time.

I got to say I'm with you 100%. I would rather go to Paris, France or these exotic places that we might think of as exotic and be able to remember in my mind or tell to my kids or whatever that like I worked out in a Paris gym. More so than, oh, I looked at the Eiffel Tower with my eyes or whatever. It's like it's different. Of course, there's many, many exceptions. Like it depends on who you're going with. So like, I don't know. Yeah. A lot of times like on a work trip.

Or, I don't know, you go in some thing where they want to see this. And I'm like, wait, wait, but what do you do there? He goes, no, no, no, you just look at it. Dude, I'll go to an American city. And they'll be like, oh, are you going to spend any time? They'll be taking me to the hotel. They'll know what I'm doing. And they'll be like, oh, you're going to get a chance to go to... No, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to go to the hotel gym. And I'm going to lift. And then I'm going to talk. And then I'm going to get right back on the plane and fly. And I'm not going to be...

But part of that is because I've just traveled my whole life. So... Yeah, I can see that. I'm kind of a jaded traveler. So let me ask you this, you personally. I know my answer. Because I feel like we're on the same page with that, bro. But what if you got there and you ran into some other, like, let's say...

retired like maybe your age yet maybe younger maybe slightly uh military guy let's say you went to japan right and then there was a japanese like military dude strong like squared away he was like hey i know you like your jocko whatever hey i work out i'm going to work out at this gym only like us the the big dogs go there freaking come work out with us would that be more compelling well we'd be going to that yeah see that's what i'm saying where it's like

Yeah, you don't you're not gonna stand in line to everyone to get a picture of the pink flower You know or the freaking yellow bush or whatever but if you get an opportunity to really experience like the Japanese in this case the Japanese version of like what you really care about doing and interacting with or whatever that has massive value I think and it depends on who you're with to like if you're with your family and we're like, hey, we're gonna go

I don't know, fricking to the grand Canyon and you get to see the kids be happy and you get to fricking whatever, like interact with them and stuff like that, that, that gets a little bit different for sure.

But yeah, I'm with you, bro. Don't just go just so you can put your eyeballs on it and get served. Bro, there's nothing funnier than going to see the Great Pyramids in Egypt with my SEAL platoon when I was at Team 2. With Drago. And where they're like, hey, the tour guide or whatever, we're pulling up to the Great Pyramids. And they're like, gents, how long do you think we need here? And I was totally serious. I'm like, 10 minutes. That's how much time I needed. And then Drago's like, I just want to see the rock cat. Yeah.

That's what he said about the Sphinx. The rock cat. The rock cat from Drago. All right. So there we go. Next one. If you save a rogue from the gallows, he will rob you that same night. Good one to remember. Like, oh, you want to help this person out? If they're a bad person, they don't care that they helped you out. They're going to screw you over.

If you swallow vice, it will rise badly in your stomach. Put that alcohol away. Put that donut away. It's going to rise badly in your stomach. But then, but you know, obviously it's a metaphor as well, right? Like what are you doing?

If you're doing things that you shouldn't be doing, they're gonna rise badly. - Yeah, just to like indulge yourself in the moment kind of thing. - Yeah, but not even just, yeah, just doing things that you know you shouldn't be doing. Like gambling isn't gonna make you sick to your stomach, but boy, it's gonna rise. That's what they're saying there. Ingratitude is the daughter of pride.

Interesting one, right? Like people that can't say thank you because they think they deserve it. Oh, yeah. That entitled son of a... Like, of course I got this. You know, you should be thanking me. Next one. It is ill to take an unlawful path, but worse to keep it. Boy, that is the truth right there. Yep. You, um...

with lee bob those these were all cool sayings right we're talking about and i remember like so i learned these things kind of like adjusted and came up with but they're though at the end of the day this is what i tell my kids so i say uh do the right thing do your best and treat others like you want to be treated but there's a little bit more to it so it's do the right thing

Do your best. Oh, sorry. Do the right thing even when you've done wrong. Okay. Do your best. Not try your best. Do your best. And then treat others like you want to be treated. So it's kind of like this. It's ill to take the unlawful path, but...

worse to keep it so that's like do the right thing even when you done wrong because nobody essentially nobody's perfect you know yeah but it's like hey if you done wrong you still got it you still are on the hook to do right at that point might look different now but you still got to do the right things you know i'm saying yeah that's and the big one is with kids especially is like don't lie yeah that's all complete good you're gonna get in so much more trouble when you lie and by the way that carries through i've talked about this before uh there was a case where

I wanna say it was like 2004, these soldiers shot and killed a guy and they planted a gun on him. And if you shoot an unarmed person, you report what happened, what did you see, why did you take that shot? And there's legitimate reasons to take that shot. The person was charging at me, looked like they might've had a weapon, looked like they were maneuvering towards friendly forces. I thought he had an S-fest, like a suicide, like there's a bunch of legitimate reasons.

And if you state those reasons, hey, here's what I saw. I was in this position. I entered this building. The guy was standing there. He started to move towards me. I thought he had a cell phone. He had this. It's like there's legitimate reasons. Yeah.

where you took a shot at a person that was unarmed. And when you report that up the chain of command, they say, okay, well, what did you learn from it? How do we make sure we can train other people to make sure this doesn't happen again? What's the reaction that the person had? How can we train people that that might? So there's a bunch of things that will come from it. But you're not going to prison. When you plant a gun on someone, you're going to prison. And that's exactly what happened in this case. And the reason I remember this well is because this is when I was the admiral's aide

in 2004 to 2005, I would see these cases happening and we'd hear about them. And so it was like, oh yeah, if you take an unlawful path,

Don't stay on it. Get off of it. And that's the right thing to do. Do the right thing even when you're done wrong. Technically, in those situations, it's technically not even really wrong. The old, what is it? Good move, bad result or whatever. Good shoot, bad result. Yeah, that feels slightly... You said something, and I don't even know if you meant this as this massive freaking groundbreaking point, but it really landed...

me maybe it was like at the time or something but nonetheless it's freaking stuck as like a thing going forward and you said where do you want to end up and then I was like I remember thinking bro that it's freaking applies to so much long term and short term by the way like so if you're like I don't know you just have bad habits or you're you're doing something kind of wrong but it's not that wrong but it kind of maybe is kind of wrong you know like that kind of stuff um

And then, but you really just ask it like consciously. Okay. Like, cool. You're doing this, you're gambling or you're whatever. And these are obvious things, but it applies to everything. But it's like, where do you want to end up with this course of action? Like, where do you want to end up with all these courses of action? Yeah. Yeah. With every decision that you're making. Yeah. And good or bad, by the way. Yeah. So the end up is like the bad one is the real obvious one. The one that you're like, you're like, oh yeah. Like freaking basically, yeah.

it's hard to really come up with like a good answer i mean like a positive like result where you want to end up if you're doing something bad so it's like even let's say you're drinking right common thing right we're drinking whatever and you know maybe it's not ruining your life but it's like kind of just getting kind of in the way usually that's that gray area that drinking continues usually so if you really ask yourself where do i want to end up with this thing

you could justify it and be like, well, I'm going to quit at some point. Okay, cool. There you go. Perfect. Quit then. Because the more you don't quit, you haven't quit straight up and you still got to ask you where are you going to end up and you're going to end up somewhere bad. There's no good place to end up, you know? So it's like one of those things when you really ask yourself that it's like, oh, it's kind of a good little, uh, little, uh, uh, prescriptive scenario. Yeah. Yeah. There's a, there's a book called to what end written by Ward just about the Vietnam. It's early Vietnam.

in Vietnam, but it was, it's a great question to ask. Like to what end? So what are we trying to make happen? Because that's what, in the Vietnam War,

No one in senior leadership was saying to what end are we do like what is the end game? When do we when do we say okay up victory declared we can leave now We didn't have a plan like that We had all this nebulous stuff and so we do that in our life where we're just going down the path But we do to what end are you doing this like you're gonna you're gonna okay. You're gonna have some some Drinks tonight some alcoholic beverage tonight to what end mmm same same question, right? Yeah, where do you want to end up like oh, do you want to end up in?

Healthy do you want to end up wealthy? Do you want to end up wise? Healthy and wealthy and wise remember those things Tell me in what world alcohol helps with any of those in any way shape or form the answers doesn't so again We're paying you know an alcohol, but it applies to everything. What do you know? What - what are you doing this? You but you're going out and you're buying a new freaking Cadillac right that you can't really afford well to what end?

You trying to look cool? Well, why are you trying to look cool? And you can just, you can ask yourself that question enough times, you're gonna realize it's gonna really improve your decision-making process. If you try and figure out where you're ultimately trying to go. So yes, concur. - It hit me hard on this idea of the slippery slope scenario.

Which what you said right there is even more. That's even more like advanced. Like really I'm planning or should I say like what do you call it? Constructing my life, you know, so I can engineer success kind of a thing. And it feels like, yeah, that's like some that's advanced tactics right there. Not necessarily advanced, but those are some like higher level tactics just to avoid the pitfalls in life that are normal, by the way.

if you ask yourself that, like, where, where do you, or where are you going to end up that like in Apple, as it applies to like the slippery slope scenario, because that's what gets us like the, uh,

Even just something like as seemingly benign as like not working out as much, you know, when you get family and kids, I don't work out as much all the way down to like, I don't work out anymore. That's a slippery slope. You don't just have a kid and be like, oh, well, I don't have to work out at all anymore ever. You know, that doesn't usually doesn't happen like that. It's usually like, okay, I'm going to keep working out. It's like, oh, I don't have time. A little bit tired today because of the kid, you know, and it slowly, slowly happens. But if you recognize it, you know, and ask yourself that, like, hey, where am I going to end up?

- That is something that I think about a lot is like right down to a repetition of exercise. - Yeah. - Of I feel like that repetition counts in the big picture. It counts in the big picture. Actually, I heard something, I was listening to something the other day and a guy was talking about the number of reps you need to perform

to advance in weightlifting. And it's like they have, you know, you watch thousands of weightlifters, you can recognize, okay, this is how many repetitions you need to perform of this exercise to make this amount of improvement. But I think the same thing that you're thinking, I think like, well, I don't have to do this rep that I'm on right now, which I don't feel like doing. And

if i don't feel like doing it i can probably no one's literally no one's in the gym with me yeah but i feel like that rep counts man that rep that rap that that rap counts yep there's an additional thing that hit me hard and it hit me actually in a positive way but as you kind of like get impacted and i'm like all impressed with learning this new idea i thought you

tend to think about it more and then I'm like oh wait this can happen in the negative as well where it sets this precedent you know where it happened because I didn't get much sleep and I was like I was always under the impression hey if I didn't get enough sleep hey today I'm skipping the workout and I'm gonna be sure I get enough rest and then I'm gonna work out hard and hard the next to get back on the horse right like no no power through it or whatever let me just see what I can get whatever it's not that big a deal whatever and then I went and I had a good workout and I powered through it and I was fine I was like wait a second

we can do this. Like, bro, we can, we can still get a good lift on three hours sleep. Damn. I literally didn't know that. And now I've been telling you that for 10 years, maybe even 15. Hey, some journeys are best, you know, but, but that's in a positive way. That's a positive, positive precedent that I just set for myself, a new one, but can be negative too. So you skip that rep or that set and,

Oh yeah, that becomes a pattern. Yeah, and then the next time it's kind of like, because, you know, if you're if you have a freaking 100% record of never skipping reps or sets, right? Because something a party is kind of like, well, that's not what we do. Like, if I do, then what? Like, I suck in my workouts. Not as good. And there's all these things, right? But when you do it and there's kind of no consequences, you know, seemingly. So the next time you get that kind of compulsion to be like, I'm kind of tired or I got to go or like I could be doing something else more fun, interesting, whatever.

you're going to do it again because that precedent always been already been set. You know what I'm saying? You got to watch out for that. Rome wasn't built in a day. It also didn't collapse in a day. It collapsed a little bit at a time. All right, next one. Kindle not the fire that you cannot extinguish. That's a good one, man. That's a good one. When you start getting engaged in things, and I think of drama when I think of this, when you start getting engaged in drama, sometimes you're not going to be able to get out of it. The little thing that you want to bring up to someone,

And now all of a sudden, what did you start? What kind of fire did you start? It might not be good. So that's always important to think about. Kindle not the fire you cannot extinguish. Next one. Knaves imagine nothing can be done without knavery.

Right? So that's the person that's always suspicious because they're freaking acting out of line. Wait, so what? I mean, this is... I feel like you know these words and I don't. But I feel like I've heard you say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's a knave? It's just like a scoundrel, like a person that's plotting behind the scenes. You know, that's like a knave. Okay, so knaves imagine nothing can be done without knave. Oh, okay, gotcha. Yeah, like a scoundrel doesn't think anything can be done without being a scoundrel. Right, right. So...

Because they steal stuff when you have something they're like, where'd you get that from? Yeah, I mean it feels like the obvious answers. Yes You think that the the you know people it's real common to hear people say oh, yeah Like massively successful people they'll look at them right a person will look at a massively successful person be like well How many people did he screw over to get to that position? You know kind of kind of that vibes. Yeah, that's the person that's will screw people over to get ahead Next one leave not the sword in the hand of the

Of an idiot. Okay. You know what we sell? Of course not. But how often like you got a project, you got something going on and you put someone in a position when they shouldn't be in that position and they're an idiot. They're not going to do smart things. People that are idiots don't become smart miraculously overnight. People that do people have a pattern of doing dumb things are going to continue to do dumb things. So one must use caution when you're dealing with idiots. Yeah, bro.

Think about that idea of the saying is something along the lines of don't attribute malice. I think it is malice to incompetence. Yeah. So it's kind of the same vibe as well. Right. Where it's like you give an idiot a sword. He's going to kind of start cutting some people. And it looks like this motherfucker is just kind of cutting people.

But it's like he just doesn't know how to use it, you know? He's just, yeah, dropping it and slipping with it. Incidentally cutting people, you know, kind of a thing. And then people think that he's ruining things on purpose, but it's like, well, no, he just doesn't know how to not ruin things because he's an idiot, as the case may be. Next one's a classic we should remember. Little things affect little minds.

And this is when we get all wrapped up about letting something bother us. It's like, well, this doesn't bother me. I'm not gonna let that bother me. Shouldn't bother you. So don't let little things affect little minds. Be a big-minded person. And then little things don't really bother you. Pretty good advice. I guess the thing to think about, though, is

You know the little is doing the little things right? You know it's like being late being late could be considered a little thing by some people right? Mm-hmm, and I hate to be harping on this but there's many examples like that make sure you do the little things right you shouldn't it's not that you shouldn't be concerned with little things but little things out in the world little little Slings and arrows that hit you. Don't worry about too much. They're not gonna bother you. They're not sticks and stones Yeah, they're not don't let them don't get in your head

Back to the being late thing. Mm-hmm. Because I'm stuck in this space. I'm trying to settle. Just to say this, even though I hassle you about being late, you know, it's a running joke, let's say, but you actually have probably only actually been late, how many times do you think? I don't know, five. Five times in 10 years. All with a heads up too, but. That's not a bad record.

So and these are usually by like two minutes, and I'm still hassling you so even though I harass you a lot of now listen if we wanted to talk about Jiu-jitsu, which is where you got the reputation for being late is a whole different thing It's a whole different thing That's where that's why I originally would hassle you about being late because we would you know some people skip the warm-ups Yes, bro. You would not only skip the war because you just give a lot of stuff. I

And then you roll in, bro. I'm on round four of the open mat time, which is now 20 minutes deep, but the class started an hour ago. Now you're rolling into the train. Sometimes. So you think I'm going to hassle you about being late? You're damn right I am. So that's where your true reputation of being late. But as far as your work ethic, you've only been late five times in 10 years, which is a pretty good record. So I harassed you about it, but yeah, here we go. Well, with that, thank you for that. And in...

If I wasn't at this current state in regards to my opinion of being late, you would have took a step backwards for my progress by just basically saying, hey, no, no, no, you're not that bad. Essentially, it's what you said. You're not that bad, right? I would have been like, oh, sweet. But I'm... Okay, so this is how I would think of it. You cut it close a lot. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm threading that needle 100%. You're right. And it's because...

Of the philosophy, which I said many, many times. So, and to not to put too fine a point on it, but I actually, in the spirit of accuracy, I actually developed a reputation being late at work when I used to work at the club. I'd be one minute, two minutes late. Oh, frick yeah, all the time. I used to get kind of scolded and talked to by it, but I knew that it didn't matter. Like me coming in four minutes late,

Let's say like literally doesn't affect nothing doesn't make the club less money Just cuz my the guy before me is like annoyed that he can't leave for minutes like to me that didn't move me either way I didn't mean to do it, you know kind of thing. So anyway, whatever screw that guy. Yeah. Yeah

Put it this way. I would never be mad at that. I think that's a weak thing to get mad at. It's like a little thing. Yeah, it's a small thing. Exactly right. Look, if there's a bigger picture, okay. But I failed to identify any bigger picture. Here's the bigger picture. So I always have looked at it like, hey, is it always that big a deal? Is it?

Literally in real life because you're in the military which that's different that trains you way different Yeah, being late in real life doesn't matter many times. Yeah, exactly right like if I if we're going to dinner and We're gonna meet at 7 o'clock with our wives and I get there at 6:58 and you show up at 7:02 We still have a reservation. You're still gonna go eat. No one's gonna say anything much. I

Well, you might because you're in the military. So, okay. Yeah, perfect. You, Jocko invites me over for the UFC. Hey, main card starts at seven. And that's when kind of like people are going to like be there at seven. I come in at 715, three minutes into the freaking first fight after all the intros and shit. Who cares? Really? Who cares? So there's a lot of circumstances where like being late is not that big a deal. But here's the thing.

Here's what I failed to really like understand and embrace. Being on time is never 0% a big deal as far as being negative. Being on time is always good. There are very few circumstances planning wise anyway, that being on time is a bad thing because you're on time. But, and so I'm going to go back to the one, this is just a fun little exercise where I would justify being, uh, being okay with being late.

You know, like someone says, oh, yeah, we're having a party at my house. Right. I'm just a little thing. Well, you know, whatever. It's gonna start at two in the day. And I'm like, no, I'm ahead of time, dude. You know, roll up at one forty five. Right. Fifteen minutes. Not crazy.

i'm gonna come in at 1 45 meanwhile you get there and they're not ready to receive guests yet someone's still cleaning up you know they're wiping the counter they're putting away the trash that they you know they're setting up or whatever you put more stress on that person if you didn't come on time or fashionably late see what i'm saying so i used to justify myself like that too a lot of the time you know where i'm like well no like maybe maybe being late

Kind of can be good sometimes you seem saying and then just incorporate it as the philosophy in general seems saying that philosophy time is never a bad thing That's it at the end of the day. No matter what how you slice it being on time. It's not a bad thing Next one little strokes fell great oaks those little things take you down little tiny things death of a thousand cuts they say man punishes the action but God the intention and

Intention is very important in things very important things like why did you actually do this? What was the reason for you doing this? Malice is poisoned by its own venom true statement. There's a lot of faith in these in these proverbs That kind of like you're gonna get what's coming to you. Oh, yeah, you know and I

Quite frankly, I agree with that. And I don't agree with it from like a karmic type, you know, unseen hand. But like you screw people over, it's going to come back to you. You treat people badly, it's going to come back to you. You do things that you shouldn't be doing, it's going to come back to you. Like that's the reality. It's like that's the mechanics of how the world works. And yeah, man, and that is true. Especially like...

Because the world is full of people, you know? Yes. So like you can even know that this is against the rules. The world is still going to behave that way. Like, like, for example, you know, I feel like dads embrace this more than moms, but you know, like, okay, a kid hits your kid. A lot of times the dad's going to be like, bro, hit him back. Here's why it's, we're compelled to feel that even if we don't say it, we'll feel that, you know, because that's how the world works.

If you go around stepping on people's feet, it's like immediately, if not just a matter of time before someone starts stepping on your feet as well. So I'm saying like that's literally how they're in it. And that's kind of and it applies to everything. So it's like, yeah, when you say you're going to get what's coming to you. Yeah, 100 percent, because that's literally how the world works. Yes, that's the way it works. Yeah. Many talk like philosophers and live like fools.

It's a good one. This is the unfortunate reality. Many of the things that we're talking about even right now are easier said than done. Yes, sir. And people like to say them, but they don't do them. Much better never catch a goose than let him go again. Much better to never catch a goose than to let him go again. And when I read that one, I was kind of curious because...

I didn't, as a modern human, I didn't quite fully understand the value of a goose, right? You'd say something like, it's better to never have gold than to have to give it away. But they say goose. And as I dug down on it, geese are very valuable for a multitude of reasons. They make eggs. They have meat. They have down. They have fat, which is good for preserving things. And believe it or not,

They're guards. Like they'll guard your property and make noise if someone's coming up and get in their face. Hey, you're rolling your eyes. No, I'm not rolling my eyes. I'm actually laughing because I know that firsthand. I know 100%. Our neighbor had a goose. Oh, there you go. This thing was freaking hostile. It was a hostile goose. It was great. Check. And what they're saying here is...

This is kind of like, I guess if we were, if I was trying to translate, it's better to never have gone in business class on a plane than to have, than to go there for a while and then have to go back. Wait, say that again. It's better than not have gone to business class on a plane. Yep. Like,

Once you want someone's business class now you gotta get stuffed back in economy people. Oh my god. This is terrible Bro, until you know about business class You know, you're like whatever this is the way it is. We're back there in the in the cheap seats My legs are a little cramped up. There's no power outlet. It's just how somebody's elbowing you the whole time Yeah, just that's just way the way travelers the way you know, so that's kind of a similar thing Yeah, they're saying here, you know better just to like

But do I agree with that? I don't think I agree with it because I think you should be all right Well, I had the goose. I liked it. I'm gonna get it back. Yeah, I think it's alright But I can understand how I can I can definitely see that it is much harder to have to give up wealth and

than it is to not have ever had wealth. Yeah. Right. If you're someone that, you know, if you had your own room in your apartment and you're stoked. Yeah. Hell yeah.

then you have to get a roommate. Yeah. It's a bummer. But if you always had a roommate, you don't think anything of it. Just like, Hey, of course you've got a roommate helps with the rent. All good. Oh, we got to, you know, argue or share the, the, the one bathroom. Yeah, no big deal. You, you just used to it. Right. So, yeah, that's really, that's really the, the, the whole story, right. Is getting used to it essentially. Like that's the new standard or whatever. Um, and you said this early on with, with it, like with dealing with people, it's, it's easier to,

to give them slack or and take it away or what it is like it's easier it's easier to give people

Slack then it is to take it back. Yeah, so if I go hey echo show up whenever you want and you're like cool And that's how we roll for a while and then all of a sudden one day I'm like, hey, you got to be here at 7:00. Yeah, you don't feel comfortable with that at all But if I'm like, hey, okay, you start work tomorrow. Hey be here at 7:00. You're like, okay That's what we're doing. And then after six months I go Hey, you know what whenever you you whenever you can come in on Fridays? Just just show up just as long as you get your work done. You're kind of stoked. You're happy. Yeah, and

Yeah. So yes. So much easier to give slack. Yeah. So the, yeah. And that just as an individual concept. Yeah. That, that, that feels right. A hundred percent.

Next one. And that's why when you hear like Leif talk about meeting me, him and Stoner, and I'm like not talking to him or not smiling, not joking around. It's like, dude, I need to get to know you. Hey, there is a chance when I meet my two platoon commanders, there's a chance one or two of them are getting fired. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know these guys. I don't know what their background is. I mean, I know that they both are relatively new in the teams, but

They both have one deployment under their belt. They've done an assistant platoon commander and now they're showing up to be a platoon commander. You might be getting fired. I don't know that. Hey, chances are only 10% that you're getting fired, but I don't want to bro out with you and then be firing you. Right. Yeah. So like I'm going to be measured and I'm going to give slack over time. I'm not just going to welcome you aboard with a bunch of freaking slack. Yeah.

but you did bring up a good point because under certain types of situations, it's actually better because the standard gets raised in a way. So if you can kind of like, remember that as like, what do you call the anchor of the standard? Now you have like,

Kind of something in a psychological way pulling you back towards the standard. Actually, in working out, it's if you apply that concept where it's like muscle memory, right? So if you have, if your body gets to a point where you can, I don't know, as far as weightlifting or whatever, if you can like squat 400 and then, you know, you get injured or something like this and you have to, and yeah, that sucks when you got to get back after rehab and get on, you can only do like 185 or whatever. That sucks. But your body knows.

But it's better for your body to be familiar with that 400 and you can get there quicker. See what I'm saying? So under those types of circumstances, even though that pain, I think that's what they're talking about here, that pain of like, shoot,

If I never could squat 400, if I always could score 185 and then I get after rehab, I can still do 185. Hell yeah, I'm good to go. You know, so you don't, you are, you don't have to experience that pain, but the bigger picture, it kind of can like establish like a standard that you can easily like kind of navigate to. Yeah. Next one of all vices, pride calls the loudest. This is why we say humility is the most important quality for a leader, for a person.

It's just the worst vice you can have is that arrogance. Once a wolf, always a wolf. Once a knave, always a knave. People don't really change too much. Be careful. One danger is seldom overcome without another. Something to keep in mind. Trade-offs, as Thomas Sowell says, right? Like, there's no just winning completely. There's just trade-offs. So the danger thing is...

So sometimes I'll get into are actually not recently this is probably it's been decades probably but they get into these little back-and-forths with about the kids and like So it's like okay. I remember when my daughter was young She'd walk we have this pool and there's you know that wall. Mm-hmm. You can jump off into the pool It's like it's not super high, but you know, maybe six six feet maybe Oh

And she would go up there and she didn't know how to swim yet. She's like one, one and a half maybe. And she'd like want to walk up there. She'd see us and she'd want to walk. And my wife would flip out, of course, seemingly, of course. But I would be like, part of me is like, I'm like kind of letter because now she's going to be very familiar with being up there. Look, she falls in. I'm jumping on a saver. It's no problem. My eyes are on, you know.

But she's familiar with being up there now. She's comfortable her balance is starting to develop more You know like all this stuff or whatever her developing her balance developing familiarity with being up on that wall Keeps her safe like her capability that she gains keeps her safer, right? Yeah

But the trade-off is, hey, if she's never out there in danger, she's safe. See what I'm saying? So there's that safety trade-off kind of a scenario. If she falls off the wall, she falls into the water? In the water, yeah. Okay. This might be not the best example for you to choose. Okay. Because the reason I say that is because if she, if for whatever reason you guys aren't around...

Oh, and she ventures up there? And she knows to venture up the wall or she feels safe up there and then she falls in the water. Now we got a terrible situation. Yes. So that might not be the best example. Yeah, maybe. And we could add a bunch of these external scenarios and exceptions to any particular example for sure. But generally speaking- Well, that's a pretty clear one. Okay, conceptually- I don't think I'm getting crazy on that. No, no, no. I don't think so either. Let's say, okay, let's say jujitsu because that was another one. Or it's like the more you go to jujitsu-

the more dangerous it becomes as far as like probability of injury and like all this stuff just because of the reps. Yeah. More days you're exposed to this or whatever, just like anything, right? But the more jujitsu, you know, kind of the safer you are outside of jujitsu. Yeah. See what I'm saying? So it's like this weird trade-off. Yeah. In that way. The other thing that's weird about kids is, man, your kids can get

hurt doing anything. You know what I'm saying? Walking to school, getting in a car with someone. Things can happen. And if you bubble wrap them, they're not going to be safe in a bunch of other scenarios. One ill weed mars a whole pot of porridge. Okay. There's a couple here in a row. One lie makes many.

So those two are in the same thing, but then they had one that says one mad action is not enough to prove a madman So these are kind of contradictory And I have to say I'm not sure I a hundred percent agree with any of them You know, obviously the one if someone's a liar if someone lies chances are they're gonna lie again So I think that one we can carve out and be like, yep one lie. You're suspect. Mm-hmm

I think that one, you know, if someone does something that's a little bit crazy, there's a lot of things that can cause that. Like, you know, person makes a bad decision, makes a rash decision. Okay, we're a little bit suspect, but we're not, I don't have to, it's not the same as a lie to me. If you lost your temper, it's not the same as you lying. You losing your temper is,

Your intention wasn't to lose your temper. You just lost your temper. Oh my god. I understand Okay, that was got a bad temper when you lie. Yeah, that seems to be a little bit different So yes, I think you're right given what I what you're saying now that being said if you're a person that lost your temper And now you're a guy that loses your temper probably pretty accurate It felt like and it could be wrong Obviously it felt like they were saying the live part of it and even the other one the live part of it was like

I'm saying in a line of like statements, we'll say, let's say I'm interrogating you, you know, in that interrogation process, then one lie makes a bunch of lies subsequently. You see what I'm saying? So if I'm like, Hey, Jocko, were you at the, in the parking lot behind the store at this time, you say no. And I keep questioning you, but everything else is probably going to be a lie because it's based on that. No, but I'm like, Oh wait, so wait, this isn't you. Then you got to say no.

I'm like, okay, then what were you doing? No, there's another one. You see what I'm saying? So it's like, you can't tell like that one lie was kind of like in a, in a line of like questioning or whatever. It's just all lies now. Yeah. Just like, uh, um, like crimes, right? Like, uh, let's say I'm, I'm doing, I'm driving drunk or, or let's say I robbed a bank, right? Robbed a bank. I'm in my getaway car. We went from driving drunk to robbing a bank. Well, I seen this on like cops or back in the day.

A guy was fleeing the scene of the crime that he committed. Maybe it was bank robbery, whatever. We'll say it's a bank robbery. He's fleeing the scene. Now everything he does is a crime. Everything. It's all his fault. So if someone like rear ends him, let's say he stopped at a cop light, someone rear ends him or whatever, you have a little traffic jam, he shouldn't have commit that crime. So that's a crime as well. It's always going to be his fault. See what I'm saying? So now he has all these additional crimes that he's committed that wouldn't be crimes if he didn't rob that bank. See what I'm saying? So it's kind of like almost like that format. Yeah.

Yeah. And this leads kind of into the next one, which is passion is the enemy of truth. Yeah. I think, I think what passion does is it warps, it warps what you see as the truth. You see, you see this a lot on when, especially in the, in the, for lack of a better way of saying it, like the political world where people are having political discussions or arguments or debates and people,

I'm so passionate about something that I can't even recognize the truth anymore. That definitely happens. Do you feel, like in regards to this way of saying it, do you feel like passion and conviction are like the same thing? Yeah, they're closely related. Yeah, I always felt like people who are so convicted, which is, I guess there's passion in there, but I feel like that was like the deal. Like the bad deal. No, no, no, the bad deal.

Where it's like the more convicted, you know, like how you always say, like, you know, the thing you always say where you're like, how many times do you think I have to admit when I'm wrong? Right. You know, that spiel. It's the opposite of that, essentially. Right. So when you're convicted, you're like, what do you call it? Bunkered in or, you know. Totally bunkered in your position. Yeah. It's, it can be so, it's such a good, somebody made a clip of me saying this the other day where I said, when someone insults you, just, you know, agree with them. And it's not like just agree with them, like,

but actually say, yeah, you know what? It's a good point. Yeah. You know, that's a good point. You're making a good point there. I agree. You got to have in... Because there's some level of...

And the more it stings you, the more it's probably right. Yeah. You know what I mean? But you're already, I mean, whether you worked on this or not, it's just talent. I don't know. But you're better at kind of recognizing this. Because like if you were to be like, I am like kind of emotionless for a little bit. And someone says, hey, you're, I don't know, whatever. Your haircut is this or you're short or you're fatty or whatever. They give you like some insult or whatever. If you're emotionless, you can be like, analyze it like a computer. We'd be like, wait a second. Wait, I kind of am.

I didn't think I was fat, but maybe compared to this person, I'm fat. So yeah, it checks out. You see what I'm saying? So you're kind of like, you can do that. Most people, the emotion and the passion is kind of mixed in there. So it gets in the way. To your point, you just said something like, uh, you practice it. I was like, yeah, dude, that stuff used to bother me. Like some little insult be like,

dude what the hell like i'd like to see you do it like that whole thing yeah instead of being like yeah that's a good point yeah it's actually yeah i i guess i i guess i'm not an expert in that area you know what i mean like oh you know jaco thinks he's a military expert could just because he was in the just because he uh led only you know 50 seals that's a good point yeah i'd never led a battalion that's good point there's there's definitely some aspects that i don't understand yeah boom

Easy money. Easy money. Like that's way better than, yeah, well, you know what? It's like, no, well, that's a good point actually. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Well, we're done. Yeah. Don't see very much of that type of activity. Yeah. Isn't that so crazy how, yeah, this is it, right? Passion is the, it's so obvious and, you know, like how you say in this outfit, being detached, it's like you can see things later and all this stuff.

But isn't it so interesting how it's like, it's so obviously the correct answer. Like there's almost, it's very hard to imagine where it's not the correct answer in any given circumstance, right? Where it's like so obvious, right? Be humble, like in the outcome of being humble versus not being like, you know, it's like, it's so obvious, but it's like so hard. Next one, peace begins where ambition ends.

I can't argue with that really, honestly. I would say the things that, you know, when you're trying to get to the next level, you're trying to make things happen. Yep, there's going to be, there's not much peace in your life. Pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes. Ain't that the truth? Punishment comes slowly, but it comes. That's another, you know, again, they're very, these proverbs rely on that word.

that outcome moving inevitably towards punishment. Were you the one that said, choose your hard? Was that your quote? No, there's someone that someone else's quote. Okay. So the choose your heart, and this is, this applies to everyday life. So, and then, so there's like, let's say health, for example, choose your hard. So the work workouts hard, like, or it can be hard. Let's just say for lack of, it's hard. Right. Workout is hard. Um,

Abstaining from junk food when the junk food is delicious and in front of you is hard. That takes effort. It's hard, right? Now, the result of that is freaking easy. Bless, you know, all this stuff. Being healthy is easy. Strong. Yeah. I'm not saying act of like getting healthy like that. I'm saying being existing as a healthy person is easy. Well, in fact, what you just said, the act of being healthy is hard. Yes.

but it beats the alternative hard. Which is being unhealthy, which is very hard. Right. So that's what I mean by choose your heart. So it's like the act of maintaining your health and blah, blah, blah, that part, exercise, all what it takes to be healthy is hard. But the state of healthiness, existing as a healthy person, just existing healthy, healthily, whatever, is easy. It's one of the easiest things probably ever.

no pain freaking brain is all clear uh no inflammation in your throat from being you know um but then you flip it around right where it's like yeah being on the state of being unhealthy is hard but you don't got to go through those hard workouts you don't have to abstain from these delicious food like that part is easy that's the easy part so it's like right you got to choose your heart you see what i'm saying

One is voluntary. The other one is involuntary, by the way. You know, which I think is very important. Yeah, that is true. Rashness is not valor. Okay. Rashness brings misfortune to many. Yep. Rash decisions. Just take a beat. Reason deceives us often. Conscience never. Okay.

Yeah, we can reason anything. At least some people can. I can explain to you. I've worked with people who one of their biggest faults was how good they were at convincing people. Like, I can come into this room and convince you of something that's wrong. And I'm so...

persuasive in my language and my voice and my words that even though I'm wrong, you think I'm right. And we all go and execute my plan, which is stupid. Yep. Oh yeah. Or people who can do it to themselves. Oh yeah, for sure. Basically rational. Yeah. They already, they did that walking in the room. Like they were already there. They convinced themselves. Selfishness is the greatest curse of the human race. Yeah. And I think not if you think if you break that down a little bit,

If you're doing stuff for yourself, it doesn't work out well. But it'll be okay for a little while. But eventually, if you're doing stuff for yourself, it's not going to be a good long-term plan. Shallow men believe in luck. Shallow brooks are noisy. I like that one.

Oh, right, right. They kind of play off each other. Yeah. Is that what you're saying? I don't think they play off each other. Shallow men believe in luck. It's like, oh, you just got lucky. No, it actually took a lot of hard work. It took planning and it took premeditation of what I'm going to go and execute. That was not luck. Shallow men go, you're just lucky. So that's one. Shallow brooks are noisy, just meaning the person that doesn't have much depth, they're yapping. Talking a lot. Yeah, yeah. Yapping is the new...

Work terminology. Oh, right. Bring you that from the front lines of the youth right now. You yapping Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind and not a good one. Yeah, isn't that a good one? There's a um, do you know if you heard of chase Hughes? No, you I guaranteed you seen him 100% guarantee, but um, so he's uh, he's like, uh, Terribly, uh

Sorry to forget his like job his thing, but he's like a you know like these into Interrogator type person people know like about psychology and what people say in body language like the whole deal right? Okay

So he said something where it's like, which applies to this, where it's like, what is it? The guilty suspicion always haunts the guilty mind. Yeah. So when you interrogate somebody and they're guilty or innocent, this will kind of show itself and he'll say it's like a tactic. So he says, you don't ask them, did they do it or didn't do they? Did they didn't do it? Okay. Jocko, were you in the parking lot at this time? Because there was a murder or whatever. You don't say, hey, were you in the parking lot?

You say this, is there any reason...

That three people might have said that you were in that parking lot at that time. Is there any reason three people would say that? And if you're guilty, you'd be like, but you'd behave way differently than if you were innocent. If you really weren't in the parking lot, I'd be like, no, I don't know. I don't know. That's dumb. You know, like you'd behave way different. But if you're guilty, they didn't even, they didn't say, were you there or not? They just plant the seed of, of, of this suspicion. Yeah. Suspicion because of like,

Your mind has to kind of like venture off into that, you know, into that no man's land. Nice. Yeah. The assistance of fools only brings injury. The bow that is always bent slackens or breaks. It's a good one. Can't be ready all the time. Sometimes you got to have that rest day as Echo Charles likes to focus on quite a bit. Recovery is part of the gig for sure. The bully is always a coward. Yeah.

Then right following that one the coward reckons himself cautious. I'm just being trying to keep it You know trying to be cautious, bro. We're doing this. Well, actually we you know, no coward the devil can cite scripture for his own purpose Didn't think of that one did you? Boy, that's an accurate one. The devil can cite scripture for his own purpose. Oh

The fool that eats until he is sick must fast until he is well. Chuck. Where we talk about that idea, I think it might have been with Lee Pop. I think it might be. Might have been with Harry. Like this idea where like ruining...

No, this was in the underground. Sorry. The wicked do wicked people have redemption or whatever. Right. I spent my life being a, basically a, uh, you know, a bad person. Right. But now I'm literally, I'm a good person. Right. But everyone seems to think I'm still this bad person. Like, you got to kind of do the same thing. It seems like, yeah, you need to, uh,

If you spent 25 years being a bad person, right, you've got at least 25 years to build that reputation in the other direction. So it's kind of the same thing. It is the same thing. We called that one on the Underground podcast. You know, one aw crap eliminates 100 attaboys. Yeah, yeah. So that means when you have done 100 attaboys, you've got to do 10,000... Or sorry, when you've done...

a hundred aw shucks aw shucks you gotta do ten thousand attaboys to dig yourself out of oh that's the way it is the gains of the wicked bring short lived pleasures yep this is the one this is the one that I when we started these podcasts when I started with Kerry I was like there's one of these things in here that I go wow okay this one is the German may be a good fellow but it is better to hang him bro

You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So that's when you realize that we're trying to, they're trying to dehumanize the enemy. Yeah. Might be a good fellow, but it's better to hang him. Yeah. If you saw, I mean, I put it this way. I understand why they chose this at this time for this particular, you know, document. But if you replace the German with the enemy, it starts to make a little bit more appropriate sense. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. That one kind of threw me a little bit. I was like, okay. Well, these guys are going to war. The Lord shall destroy the house of the proud. The fool is busy in everyone else's business but his own. Oh, yeah. I feel that. The greatest barkers are always the least doers. Quit running your mouth. The loquacity, which is talking a great deal, is a lecture to the wise.

So if you're talking a bunch, it's like, maybe be quiet. The prince that is feared by many must of necessity fear many. Yep. How'd you climb to the top? Did you climb to the top stepping on a bunch of people's backs? And you better watch your back. Yeah. If you climb to the top through hard work and good partnerships, you'll be all right. You don't have to look over your shoulder so much. You have to look over, look, look, check your six so often. Mm-hmm.

The prince that is feared by many must of necessity fear many. The wise man knows he knows nothing. The fool thinks he knows it all. They hurt themselves that wrong others. Cool. Yep. Hurting other people. Think you can get away with it. Can't. It's coming back. Punishment might be slow, but it's coming. It's coming.

Thou art as to like to obtain thy wish as the wolf to eat the moon. Can't just wish for things. Can't just wish for things. You got to go out and make them happen. You're not going to obtain your wish. You got to go do something. Tis a sign of an ill cause to rail at your adversary.

What is rail? It's like being hostile towards, attacking verbally type thing. Oh, gotcha. Ranting against them. Oh, right, right, right. I guess would be, I didn't look up the definition of rail, but that's my, that's what I'll give it. Yeah, that's the deal. Because the sign of an ill cause to rail at your average. I think that's when, you know, when Echo says, hey, I think we should invest money in this marketing campaign.

And I say, dude, you're stupid. You see what I'm saying? It's like an ad hominem attack from attacking you to pay one in his own coin. I think that's like giving someone a taste of their own medicine. Gotcha. That's like when someone, you know, like when a footlocker gets footlocked. Yeah. You know, they're getting paid in their own coin. That sucks.

- Dean Lester always tries to get me to Kimura. It's like his goal. - Just freaking embracing this. - Yeah, he wants to pay me a mile. "The mean man shall be brought down and the mighty shall be humbled." Fair enough. "The selfish man cuts away the sand from under his own feet.

Again, that's the important one to remember because when we're being selfish, we think we're doing things ourselves, but we're actually removing the sand from our own feet. When I take a little from you and I take a little bit from her and I take a little bit from him, I feel like I'm taking it from you, but ultimately it's going to be my downfall. The truth is always the strongest argument. Doesn't that work well? The truth just stands on its own. The triumphing of the wicked is short.

It's when you got to pay attention to and this is another thing when you were what you can I talked about this was with Jordan Peterson yesterday and I was I was saying that listen the tyrannical people can get promoted You know you can Rise up through your company when you're backstabbing people it it can happen But to the point here, it's it's short. I

Like it will run out. One of the things he pointed out was these big giant companies, they have a life cycle and it's like 30 years. Like a big giant corporation, the life cycle average of a big giant corporation is 30 years because what happens? They start focusing just on profit 100% and screwing over people and not taking care of their workers and not taking care of the environment. They just start making mistakes. Right.

And when you do that, look, you win. You win, you win, you win for 10 years, 15 years. But eventually people go, oh, I see what you're doing. So the triumphing of the wicked, it happens. Look, in the military, it definitely happens. And one of the reasons it happens in the military is because people have their job in a leadership position for two years.

And then you can hang on for those two years and then you're boom, you're off. You get the good evaluation because the guys were working hard despite your bad leadership. They were still getting the job done. And so you still look good. And towards the end, they were ready to mutiny you, but they knew that all they had to do is hold on for three more months and you'll be gone and we'll be onto the next guy. So they don't care. They let you go. It's easier for them just to go. All right, we're going to wait till echoes leaves this command and, and we'll be fine. And so you go, you get a good evaluation, you get promoted. So it happens. Yeah.

But eventually it's going to catch you. That company corporations thing is a good example. So think of it, I will think of it from time to time as like, let's say I'm a company, I offer, I don't know, law services. And then I'm like, oh wait, freaking...

I can start just increasing the price, increasing the price, right? It's like where I got people kind of at their weakest point or whatever. Law service, that's not a good example. But, you know, so where I'm the only act in town, so I can just take advantage, right? Start freaking gouging people, price, you know, doing all this stuff or whatever. Not customer service sucks or whatever. It doesn't matter because I'm the only guy in town and people are just going to suck it up. Mm-hmm.

I don't know, 10, 20, 30 years, whatever. But in the meantime, everyone's looking, just praying, just hunger for this, like a better solution. And actually, and I don't even care how much better, just better. Cause this is just like, this is we're hurting here. Right. And it's the only choice we got.

so what that does is it opens up just massive massive opportunity for these little ones or another big one or whatever all they got to do is improve it just by this much because this guy is so or this is so selfish it's so bad it's so wicked as it as it were yeah

and then so yeah so you get one like remember geico yeah remember when they first came out yeah so they were like oh yeah this is like it's cheaper and what was it was like a slow 15 minutes or less or something like this where it's basically they just took like one or two of the main problems that people have with i think it's car insurance and they were like hey it's cheaper faster what up and we're like forget geico geico all day no slowly in my experience because i use them slowly they started

Increasing their price of very comparable to other insurance or whatever or maybe the other insurance came down But either way, but I'm just saying people are like yearning for this new solution so it brings so much opportunity for Competitors to come and just be successful and then now you're kind of in that, you know failure So do the right thing for the right reasons the villains obey their passions as slaves do their masters? So can't just follow your passions

The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor. The wolf changes his hair, but not his nature. A lot of that. There's definitely a lot that the nature of a person doesn't change. That's very heavy in this. There shall be no reward for the evil man. That which is crooked cannot be made straight. We answered a question on the underground that...

And I think the way we answered it disagrees with that, that people can redeem themselves and they can, and I know people that have redeemed themselves and they've gotten on the correct path, the righteous path in life. Yeah. So, and I, and of course, like, I think, I think this kind of goes without saying, but this is like a general, it feels like a general, this is a general thing, you know, generally speaking, but on an individual level, I think you're right. That, that,

person can literally be a bad person and then change and not and literally be a good person like that can actually happen but I think that there's kind of it's kind of a good point to recognize like when you do hear about this right where this guy's a bad person with the prison blah blah blah and then now he's like a good person and does this good stuff it stands out so much it makes such an impact on us where I'm like oh my god I'm what so like impressing rightly so

But that just kind of is a testament to how rare it is. You know, if that was happening like half the time, people would be like, cool. You're like half of people in the world, you know, kind of a thing. Yeah. Oh, it's rare for sure. There's no contending against destiny. It's coming to the wicked misfortune to the wicked misfortune comes triple treason. Doth never prosper. Tricky comes back to its master. Yeah. Tyranny.

is far the worst of treasons. Unhang one that is hanged and he will hang thee. Kind of already got that one. Unlimited power corrupts the possessor. We've heard that type of thing before. It is certainly an aspect that everyone needs to watch out for. Ulcers cannot be cured that are concealed. Got to bring that problem to light. You're hiding that thing. It's not going to get fixed. Take ownership of it. Let's bring it out there in the light so it can get cured.

Vengeance vengeance is without foresight Vices are seldom single This is I think it was Chad roba show that we had on when he was talking about it when they were looking for human traffickers And you just like start finding a drug dealer and you could just start pulling that thread and eventually you'll get to the to the damn Human trafficker. Yeah, so it's probably pretty accurate vices are learned without a teacher and

It's interesting. That's interesting, but it really does accelerate vice when people are around to introduce it. And I see so much these days. You can see how malleable people's minds are. People, and I'm talking about the human race, like people, minds are so malleable. You can see it happen online, right? You see these people getting turned into extremist ways of,

They're getting radicalized from watching videos on it on their phone. Yeah, right I mean this is a real thing and It didn't if you think about if you can change your perception to the point where you go and do something Violent that is going to ruin your life would ruin someone else's life and your own life and you got that way from watching videos

on your iPhone shows you how malleable people's brains are. And so that's why I think even though it says vices are learned without a teacher, when you have someone to teach you those vices, it's going to be much more rapid fall down that path of destruction. Yeah. And I think that for... Or it feels like what this document meant is

is you don't need a teacher to fall into vices kind of a thing, you know? Totally agree. Whereas the opposite, if you want, you know, if you want to learn something very constructive and beneficial long-term, it's kind of like, well, you kind of need a teacher, you know, you can't just fumble about in,

Wind up in so you know successful. That's skilled That's a very good point because human beings will go with the path of least resistance Often and the path of least resistance often is not the right path to take. Yeah, it's like that human nature like Freakin short short the shortest of terms As far as payoffs go vice often borrows the color of a virtuous deed. I

Violent delights have violent ends. Yeah. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Yeah. Vipers breed vipers. It's weird how that can go. You know, you can have the person who's, you know, dad was an alcoholic. He becomes an alcoholic or dad was an alcoholic. Doesn't drink. Yeah. There is there, there, there are vipers don't necessarily breed vipers. They might often breed vipers. Yeah. But it's not necessarily breed vipers. Yeah.

Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished. What is born of the serpent never loses its poison. What is more cruel than a tyrant's ear? What I like about that one is this is like when some ravenous

You know if you're if someone's telling a tyrant something like they're they you can get a tyrant so spun up Like some tyrannical leader sick. Hey, you know echo Charles was really questioning your commands earlier Nothing more violent than a tyrant's ear Echoes going down When the root is worthless so is the tree Okay

When a man is angry, his reason rides out. Anger does not help you make good decisions. Where there is whispering, there is lying. That's a good one. Isn't it weird? Do you ever see, like, you kids are whispering at the dinner table or whatever? Well, I guess. You know what I mean? I could imagine, yeah. Oh, you can imagine because that doesn't happen. No whispering allowed. Okay. Ever. If there's whispering, there's lying. Yeah, well. Hey, look.

A lot of these, there's many, many, many exceptions to a lot of this. But, you know, for you, if you, Jocko, sat here in broad daylight, told me, hey, these are just rules of thumb, I'd agree. But, yeah, there's exceptions to that. I mean, quite frankly, I think some people, in my experience,

A lot of people, depends on what you mean by a lot, but people sometimes are not ready for the truth, you know? Yet the truth has to kind of be out to some degree for, you know, to make things happen a lot of time. And perhaps some people are just not ready for the truth, you know? So, hey man, sometimes whispering is a form of protection, empathy, you know, kind of that. That can be a part of the gig. Let's face it. That's why privacy is important. Like if me and you are like, if we're going through

Like classified stuff. Okay. Like for in real life, classified stuff. Why is it classified?

Why shouldn't everyone know if everything's on the up and up, right? It was like, bro, not everyone's ready for like the actual truth, you know? Well, sometimes. Yeah, no. Well, there's a lot of stuff right now that's a big consideration, right? And this is kind of a counterpoint. Bro, like whether it's the Epstein files, right? The people that paid Epstein or that Epstein was supplying underage girls to, like,

Why is that not being made public? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Now, you could say we can't handle the truth or that's why there's whispering, but it's like, hmm. This might be a lying scenario. Yeah. Well, I think more important, it's like the truth has to come out. Yeah. There's got to be, what the hell's going on? Yeah. Just what the hell's going on? Yep. Why would you not release this information? So keep in mind, I agree. I'm way more...

inquisitive about why they're not relation the information as to who's the people are so yeah I'm with you and I'm with you and as far as this concept goes I think oh yeah there's lying going on when there's whispers I'm not denying that hell yeah all day but a lot of time there's another explanation as well I'm saying a lot of time are you gonna to all the things you talk about with your wife especially when you're younger are the kids ready to hear all that yeah no probably not

I'm not saying all people are kids but in a way conceptually they are you know like if you know if you don't know how a certain thing works and you hear a certain element of that thing some people might be put off by it I'm saying it's kind of like it's like a version of concealment right like concealment like so like okay you went to war Chaco military man

you've probably done things and the good guys that everyone would agree as good have done things that the public is not ready to see or hear about in detail. Well, I don't really agree with that. Okay. So let's say... I think if...

Yeah, I think if there's a whispering, then it's like, wait, what the hell is going on? Okay, yeah, I guess it depends on what you mean by whispering. Case in point, it's like in certain, like in Vietnam, there's things that are going on. It's like, wait a second, wait, what's happening? Why is that happening? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true too. Because there's people whispering about it. Wait, we don't know the truth. Mm-hmm.

Let's go less heavy then. Because there's also a difference between operational security about an ongoing operation. Of course, like, oh, we don't want to give away our element of surprise on the enemy. So there's an understanding why some there's actual classified information. But it should be classified because it doesn't want to compromise security.

Operations that are taking place. It shouldn't be classified because we're ashamed of what we did. Yes That's a totally different thing. I'm with you and then Apologies cuz that's not what I meant. So it depends on what to be by whispering So like whispering is like what like a metaphor like let's keep this like yeah, you know, yeah Yeah So I was thinking like kind of almost more on the literal side where let's say mean you're at a party there's kids there's

Women and children and all this stuff or whatever and I gotta go use the bathroom like kind of bad I am bad Sausage or something like this and I gotta use about some data. I got some problems We're all out of that a dinner table. It's kind of nice or whatever so you whisper to your wife. I

Yeah. Or to my friend and be like, cover for me. Yeah. You know, kind of a noise out here. Exactly. Tell a loud story. Okay. Cause I'm going to be in there blowing up the bathroom. And I might be a while. You see what I'm saying? So I'm going to whisper this to everyone. Don't got to know that, you know? So I'm going to whisper that to somebody I trust or, you know? Yeah. I think the, the metaphorical, it works better in this case than the reality. So, okay. Point taken. Who undertakes too much succeeds in little.

I understand. It's a little prioritize and execute activity right there. You know, like trying to do too much. Yeah. Not going to get much done. And then got two more to wrap this thing up for today. Who faints not achieves. Who faints not achieves. Okay. So you just keep going. Keep going, man. Don't, don't, don't back off. Keep going. And then the last one is you dancing in the net and think nobody sees you.

If you don't mind, let's go back to who faints not. So my dad used to have this saying. - BC. - BC, all day, wise man, two degree. He said, "Don't get caught half stepping." That's what he said. So it's kind of like, hey, bro, if we're doing this, we're doing this, you know? - That's the McConaughey, the Matthew McConaughey thing that his dad told him. - What? - You heard the story. Matthew McConaughey was in law school and he wanted to go film school and he called his dad and he was bracing 'cause you know,

telling your dad when you're in law school to be a lawyer, a respectable job, or you're going to be able to make money and have a good career or respectable career. And you're like, Hey, I'm going to bounce out of that. And we'll go to film school, right? Where there's very low probability of success. It's weird. There's no guarantee. And so Matthew McConaughey calls his dad and he's like, Hey dad, this is what I want to do. And his dad said, well, son,

Don't half-ass it. Half-ass it, yeah. Yeah. So your dad, that's a very close proximity statement. Yeah. No half-stepping. And also, while we're on the path there, Walter White from Breaking Bad. No half measures. No half measures. Yeah. This halfway stuff isn't going to get us there. So we ain't half-stepping. We ain't half measures and we ain't going to half-ass anything. Nope. We're going. I understand. Yeah.

This last one, once again, you dancing in the net and thinking nobody sees you. Why do you say the net? Because if you're a fish and you're in the net, you think you're not going to get caught, right? I try to tell people this to me is about lack of self-awareness, right? And there's nothing worse than people that are doing nefarious things, small, big, large, whatever, and they think nobody sees them. It's like people see it.

You're sitting there dancing around in the net. You think no one sees you. They're going to catch you. They see you. It's a bizarre form of ignorance, that lack of self-awareness. And it's a very scary thing. It's a very scary thing to not have the self-awareness to recognize that when you're making this little move, some thing that you're doing, you think nobody sees you. We see you. We all see you. Especially from a leadership position, man. You know, you're getting like,

special food or you know you're getting a hot coffee when everyone else is drinking cold coffee like everybody sees that yeah everybody sees it everybody sees what you're doing so people can see more than you think that's what's happening so even like things that are seem okay so I worked with this

I worked with this guy a long time ago. Dude, you chatty today. A little bit. You know, I've been out, you know, actually not now. Hey, bro, we, you know, this is, this is coincidentally, I was thinking about literally like a third of these things within the last like three days dawned upon me, you know, the depth of these things. Cause you texted me cause you were on vacation or you didn't text me what you told me that when you listened to this one with me and Carrie, you were kind of hype. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of sad. I saved the second one. Yeah. Yeah. Fully.

Only because- Did you think Kerry didn't bring the game like you did? No, no, Kerry brought it. And as he always does, 100%. But I'm listening. You know, when you're listening to it, especially if you're watching it, you feel like you're kind of in the room too, you know? But I can't say anything. You see what I'm saying? I was like, oh, it's- So you made up for it today, boy. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

But there's a lot of depth to a lot of these. There's like, oh my God, generally speaking versus individual on an individual level, it's kind of like it gets a little bit more flexible. In what regards are there exceptions? Or under what circumstances, sorry, are there exceptions to these in real life? And then there's big and small and all this stuff. So dancing in the net,

Everyone sees like even small. Okay. So you can have like two intentions at the same time. Yeah. One good and one like super selfish. Right. And people see both. Unfortunately, under those circumstances, most of the time they're going to see the bad one and it kind of just trumps the good one. You know? So it's like, let's say you're donating money. Right. To, you know, this freaking awesome cause. And then you get up on stage and you're like, you know,

I'm just donating all of my hard-earned money to this cause, you know? People can kind of, I mean, under certain circumstances, they can see, oh, I see what you're doing. You're making more about you. You know, they can see what you're doing. Even though you did this good thing, literally, like, donated, like, it was going to help, it was going to save, like, the whole deal. There's no better way to ruin the credit you deserve by asking for the credit you deserve. Right.

Dancing in that net and Wednesday and so I had a guy do that to me I'm lying until story doesn't even matter but um a guy did that to me a group of us where he was like a leader and he was like You know what? And basically we all got a bunch of money. There's like a tip tips, right? And he was like, you know what?

I'm gonna um, you know, I'm gonna give my tips to you guys, right? He said that and you'd think like fuck that's actually really nice You know after a freaking sick weekend and you know the tips come in, you know when you're in a job with tips and he's like You know and then he's like standing there the way he said it in his tone and he's looking at us all in the eyes kind of like Expecting almost like this big like I don't know round of applause like a brick He was expecting like a big reaction and it was really like

And we're just watching them dance in the net. Just an elaborate dance in the net. Meanwhile, we're getting tips. Bro, that was not the front-running sentiment right there. It was like, bro, this guy was just dancing. So I was like, oh, man, that's true. And he probably was like, fuck, I am sick. Everyone loves me now. But I think everyone else was like, bro, this guy's kind of douchey. You see what I'm saying? And you know what? There's another proverb that you just kind of danced around a little bit, which is,

Never say never, never say always, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Right, which is something that I agree with. Yeah. Almost always, you know what I mean? I don't always agree with it, because there are some always times and there are some never times. But never say never and never say always is usually pretty accurate because there's always some case that doesn't quite fit. And so, yeah, it's another good proverb. Even though there are times when you should say. So never say never.

- Including never saying never. - Yeah. - And never say always, including never saying always. There's sometimes, there's some things that are always and some things that are never. - So we're being like Jocko, we're being firm but flexible. - Yeah, that's what we're doing. - Under most situations. - Many situations, the vast majority of situations. All right, so there you have it. And again, these things feel real obvious sometimes, but you're making decisions all day long.

It's really good occasionally to think about how well you can be guided through some of these. Keep in front of mind, keep you on the path. And speaking of the path, we talked a little bit about working out today. Did you work out yet today? No. You learned to work out early in the morning thing for a little while, weren't you? Yeah, I went in. I've dabbled in that for sure. But, um.

Do you, do you want to work out this afternoon? Like you're going to work out this afternoon. It's on the books. Do you want to, are you looking forward to it right now? Uh, at this exact moment? No. Cause I kind of like, you know, chopping it up right now. But, um, yeah, when I go home, I'm like, hell yeah. You know, I'm not particularly tired or nothing like that.

But there's a good chance when we get home, maybe I'll sit down for a second. I'll be like, okay, I got to get, I got to force this work. I didn't. Yeah, for sure. Well, one thing that can help you if you're going to be working out is chocolate fuel, getting the proper fuel. Do you, is today a day where you may dabble in pre-workout? Probably not. No. No. Okay. And that's just it. You got good sleep last night. You're feeling good. Feeling solid. Yeah. Yeah.

I've been if I'm getting sleep deprivation I've been jacking my creatine a little bit maybe take an extra. Are you in the game? Yeah, I started that too. Okay, so lots of creatine occasional pre-workout go By the way, you and I so I was I was telling the Jocko field team this morning. I was a hundred percent getting sick yesterday Yeah, like you look 100% I was getting sick. I felt it and

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Dressing up as much as Kerry that has to dress up right to the good. He's a saint He's he's in a relationship, but he you know you know I'm saying he's looking good So yeah, he's in the game 100% your career, so I immediately gave a pair of Chelsea boots yeah that had been sent to me. I was like look I could wear these sure but Kerry could like yeah use them. Yeah, I mean Yeah, so I gave him he was pumped he to be he put him on he left left him on that was what he was wearing today Yeah, so we got boots

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So question about the boots. Yeah, so those are those aren't like some new boots that are not available. You know the choices are available They're available right? Yeah, and the Goodyear welt is there is there different colors? I think so and if there's not I think I know someone that might be able to help you out what up with that I do have a pair of the blacked-out mock toe that I there look I

I got them custom and they're legit. And you know what? If people, there's a high demand for them, we can put them into production. You know what I mean? Oh, like different colors? Yeah. If a bunch of people, no specific, we're not going to, you can't run 50 different custom pairs. You know, you got to make them. All right, here's an option. Right. Blacked out.

Jocko style boots might be a thing. Okay, so when you say custom wait, what does that mean? I mean they literally made him for me, right? Okay, so they didn't like freaking put your shoe in a mold. No, no, whatever. Okay, this size These cut all black right? Right? Yeah, it's not part of the standard offering Scenario or whatever but back to the Chelsea once nothing mocked owed great only because those Chelsea was a little bit like more of a light like

lighter weight kind of a look right yeah they're definitely a little bit sleeker sleeker exactly right like um i heard pete describing something like a business casual he said it's leaning a little bit more towards business yeah i would even say it's not for business yeah yeah maybe if they were black but then again i'm not the right person to ask you know what i mean i think that those are like

They're leaning towards straight-up fashion like those look like if someone's come walking in with those So you're saying they're leaning towards like sharp dress sharp dress like and I'm saying in a good way you and you know me look Are you in touch with that whole side of things? You know as much as maybe you could be no But how about it all yeah, or at all, you know, but I recognized that yes, I'm looking at these boots if those were paired with the appropriate

Attire someone who cares about aesthetic brother. They're sliding right in and they looked good And you know and I said this before hey look, I'm looking at Carrie, you know with a staunch Unblemished record of heterosexuality and recognized that he looked amazing in him seems ain't yeah So I'm saying they it was an attractive pair of footwear. Okay, so I might want to get some of those Those are more my style I think

More so than, because I don't really wear that many boots. Maybe you might have just caught a blemish on your record there. Your record just got blemished. Well, thanks to the boots. See what I'm saying? That's how powerful. Irresistible. Irresistible. Even Echo Charles, he fell off the path for a minute. Hey, we're out here appreciating stuff. Right on. Well, if you need any of this stuff, 100% made in America.

Go to originusa.com and get some. That's what we're doing. It's true. Also, Jocko Storr, of course, we're still going. Jocko Storr, Discipline Equals Freedom, we're representing on this path. Choose your hard. Of course, of course. But when you choose the correct hard, you can not only represent, you make it just slightly more, I don't want to say easy. We'll say pleasurable. Mm-hmm.

take a little bit of pleasure in the paint yeah exactly right and represent so anyway this one equals freedom we got your shirts and hoodies and uh we got tank tops on there we were out of tank tops for a while don't ask why but summer is coming up so i'm saying you know we're gonna be wearing guns out guns guns out yeah look at you over there you understand so be on the lookout for that you know keep in mind too we have the socks going hats on there a lot of stuff on there so did you get me some of those shirt locker shirts that i wanted not yet but you gotta wait like five more days okay

Make sure. Oh, yeah. So, shirt locker, if you don't know what that is. Subscription scenario, new shirt, different designs, all representing the past in different ways. More creative, fun. You know, people are fun with that. Anyway, yeah. Subscription scenario, different design every month.

It's on jockelstore.com. Just click on the top. Sherlock, you can kind of check out what the vibe is. And yeah, if you like that, sign up, bro. It's a good one. Jockelstore.com. There you go. Also check out coloradocraftbeef.com and primalbeef.com. You need steak in your life. So that's where you want to get it. Get it from two awesome American company, awesome American people, families at those companies. And of course,

Awesome steak awesome jerky awesome beef sticks off some Frank's off awesome Patties beef patties just it's just awesome. I got a recipe for you go No, I'm say it again doesn't matter call it. I've made this last night So it's fresh on my mind and the night before better. Okay, we've got ground beef. Mm-hmm one pound depending how big you are If you're concerned with like the macros or whatever, you know, I'm up. Look I put ground beef one pound boom I put like a certain seasoning in it. It's called the dacquoise seasoning. I

Yeah, but you put whatever you know you can do the river. Oh, no you shouldn't say whatever cuz that's kind of critical Yes, you know to just be like whatever well I mean whatever like whatever seasoning that you like I particularly like this one so you can do the rib rub cuz I'll do that too So anyway you put your seasoning in there not too much, but just some boom you saute it up right cook it on a pan or whatever and

Boom when it's done you put I put three eggs put one egg zero eggs whatever you want But I put like right when it's done cooking a crack three eggs on it right just go then mix it in or no I don't mix it in before you can do like an omelet scenario Which I used to do a lot, but I just do three eggs plus all the all the ground beef Okay, then I make rice I put the prefer rice. Mm-hmm. It's gonna sound weird, but bear with me So you go rice boom you put the ground beef on top boom with eggs on top boom spaghetti sauce

I know. Bear with me. Spaghetti sauce, not too much. Honey mustard dressing. Boom. A little bit of like low-fat or non-fat cheese. Depends on your macros. Sprinkle. That sounds crazy, right? No, it all sounded semi-normal until you said you put all that shit on there and then you go low-fat cheese. Well, here's why. Here's why. And this is my particular thing and other people might be like this as well. When I start putting cheese on stuff, bro, I can go too far. For real.

What cheese? What kind of cheese? I don't know. Regular. When I go too far. Mozzarella cheese or what? Yeah. So last night was mozzarella cheese. Yeah. But you put whatever cheese you like, bro. But it just adds a little something. Don't put too much because we're going to be tempted to do that. And then sometimes you can throw off all your macros. You can like almost double your calories if you're concerned about that kind of stuff. So I'm just saying watch out for the cheese. That's why I do the low fat. Keep the macros like not quite as high, but you still get the good macros, protein, enough carbohydrates for your thing. Unless you're doing keto. That's another thing. But.

i'm just saying that recipe you'll be surprised that the uh seasoning plus the spaghetti sauce not too much not as much like put it half as much spaghetti sauce as you would put on spaghetti half as much and then honey mustard half as much honey mustard as you put spaghetti sauce there you go that's the ratio bro try it bro you're over here doubting the whole you have a skeptical uh look in your face i'm telling you 100 with very few exceptions it'll be very good that you'll be like this is impressively good

a lot of hate for that whole thing. No, I won't. No, I won't actually. A lot of people in China. I won't. All right, well, there you go. You're going to need ground beef for part of that recipe. So check out Colorado Craft Beef or Primal Beef. Also subscribe to the podcast. Also check out Jocko Underground. Also, we got a bunch of YouTube channels. Jocko Podcast, official YouTube channel. Jocko Fuel Podcast channel. Origin USA Podcast channel.

We got a bunch of books. By the way, we got a book called The Modern Submission Grappling written by Miha. Check that one out. Yeah.

It's good to review that thing. It's good to review that thing. Keep things on your mind. And there's a whole like video online activity you can go and do. Oh, like a compliment. Yeah. To the book. Oh, that's legit. QR code. Oh, yeah. The whole nine yards. So go check that out. Check out Miha's. I got to get his website from him. If you Google Miha Modern Submission Grappling, you'll get there. Have you...

That's new to me that you have a video Compliment to the book is that new have you heard of that before I'm out of it that world I don't know but me how did it bro? That's like something that's like cuz Miha and Keenan had like a little Studio for filming jiu-jitsu moves and stuff. Yeah, and they had and so me houses to himself Well, we got the studio. Mm-hmm. We got people that want to learn they bought the book Let's get him in the game

So that's like, that is smart. I mean, sorry if, if someone else had come up with that as a thing, but that's the first I ever heard of it. But that is something that is massively needed because when you, you know, like anything, if you just read the book, especially something that's so heavily requires like physical practice, that's like a huge hole in the learning process. Now you're covered. Not anymore. So check out me how it's gig. Plus I've written a bunch of books, a bunch of books about leadership. I've written a bunch of kids books.

So check those out. Also, we have a leadership consultancy called Echelon Front where we solve problems through leadership. Many skills it takes to be a good leader. Look, you're born with some of them. You're born with some potential for some of these skills, but you might not necessarily have honed those skills. And some of them you might not even know about. Imagine like jujitsu, there's a move that you didn't know. Same thing can happen with leadership.

Same thing can happen with leadership even moves within the moves by the way That's what I keep picking up like when I keep going to these monsters and then you guys throw The moves within the moves, you know There's a lot to learn leadership is a skill go to echelon front comm if you want to bring this skill into your organization Or you want to come to one of our events where we teach these skills and also you can go to a place called extreme ownership comm and you can learn these skills online and

You can learn skills, leadership skills online. You can learn jujitsu online. And listen, if you can learn jujitsu, which is a physical altercation between two human beings in very close proximity, you can actually learn that from videos and online. And you can do the same thing with leadership. So check out ExtremeOwnership.com.

Also, if you want to help service members active and retired, you want to help their families, you want to help Gold Star families, check out Mark Lee's mom, Mama Lee. She's got an incredible charity organization. If you want to donate or you want to get involved, go to americasmightywarriors.org. Also, check out Micah.com.

And Micah Fink, he's got his organization, heroesandhorses.org up in Montana. And then Jimmy May, he's got his organization, beyondthebrotherhood.org. I just met with Jimmy the other day, doing great stuff. If you want to connect with us, you can check out jocko.com. Also, social media, I'm at jocko1link, Echo's at EchoCharles. Just watch out. The ancient proverb, if you play with the algorithm, the algorithm will play with you.

It's a monster watch out for it. Thanks to the men and women In the service around the globe right now standing on the front lines the front lines of freedom to protect our way of life Thank you for your service. Thanks to police law enforcement firefighters paramedics EMTs dispatchers correctional officers Border Patrol Secret Service as well as all other first responders Thank you for your service to protect us here at home and everyone else out there I'm gonna close with the proverb that we opened with

If you leap into a well, providence is not bound to fetch you out. That's right. You are responsible for your actions. And I recommend that you don't leap into any wells or you don't make any bad decisions or you don't place yourself into any bad positions or scenarios. But if you do, don't count on anyone or anything earthly or divine to come and pull you out. It's all on you.

So take ownership and make things right. And that's all we've got for tonight. And until next time, this is Echo and Jocko.