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Ep 118: Marc Andreessen on AI, Robotics & America's Industrial Renaissance

2025/7/3
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联合创始人和风险投资家，专注于人工智能和技术领域的投资。
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Marc Andreessen: 我认为我们正处于一个非常关键和重要的技术转折点，那就是人工智能的崛起。美国是否要成为一个工业超级大国？这是一个政策选择。人工智能主要集中在美国和中国。我们应该大力发展未来制造业，即设计和制造各种形状和大小的机器人。如果我们不这样做，我们将生活在一个到处都是中国机器人的世界里。美国需要基于必须发明和制造的新事物来实现国家再工业化，这不仅关乎国家安全和经济增长，更关乎全体人民的福祉。我们必须抓住人工智能与机器人技术带来的机遇，重塑美国的工业格局，确保在未来的世界中占据领先地位。 Joel Lonsdale: 我认为现在我们正在转向其他的东西吗？人工智能驱动的经济是什么样的？特朗普的阵营似乎有些分裂。一方更关注通过关税和工业激励来恢复传统制造业，另一方则更关注通过人工智能、芯片和能源来加速技术发展。这些因素是如何相互作用的？我们能否复制过去的成功，还是需要新的政策？我们如何确保我们以正确的方式与每个人分享我们正在创造的财富，从而提升美国的每个人？这些都是非常有趣和重要的政策问题，将决定我们国家的未来。

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This chapter explores the historical context of US industrial policy, drawing parallels between McKinley's protectionist approach and the current debate surrounding AI and manufacturing. It examines the shift from a manufacturing to a service-based economy and the implications for trade policies.
  • The American system, a protectionist policy, enabled the US to become an industrial superpower.
  • McKinley initially adopted protectionist tariffs but later shifted to reciprocal tariffs to facilitate exports.
  • China is currently following a similar industrialization playbook.

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America's global ascendency was tied to its industrial strength. But since the 1960s, our manufacturing might gave way to white-collar services. Now, we've on the verge of a new AI economy. Is this our moment to reindustrialize? What does it mean for trade and immigration? And how do we make sure everyone, particularly rural America, shares in the potential economic growth?

These are some of the most important policy questions that will determine the future of our country, and Marc Andreessen is the right person to ask. Several weeks ago I interviewed Marc, co-founder and general partner at Andreessen Horowitz, for the first annual Ronald Reagan Economic Forum, an alternative to the World Economic Forum that offers a more dynamic, pro-growth view of the future of America and the West.

We begin with the debate over tariffs, and what Marc has learned from studying President McKinley, a key inspiration for President Trump's trade views. McKinley's protectionist agenda is well known, but Marc explains why he actually shifted to reciprocal tariffs by the end of his term as manufacturers needed new markets. Next, he details America's transformation into a services-based economy, why it benefited the coasts over the heartland, and the intense political and cultural divides that emerged. Learn why Marc believes that AI plus robotics will provide a unique opportunity to capture the manufacturing jobs of the future and help rural areas share in the upside. We also discuss the debate over immigration and what smart policies look like in an AI-driven economy. Finally, we cover the potential bottlenecks to an AI boom, and how our leaders can position America to lead an industrial renaissance.

00:00 Episode intro

02:18 Understanding McKinley & Trump on tariffs

07:20 Manufacturing to services; America's economic shift

11:30 The great clash between cities & rural America

15:50 Deindustrializing wasn’t inevitable; it was a choice

17:40 AI is a fundamental turning point

20:30 Robotics will be biggest industry ever created

23:54 High-skilled immigration + DEI hurts rural kids

29:32 What are bottlenecks to AI boom This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit blog.joelonsdale.com)